REL GENRL A Faded Piece of Papyrus Refers to Jesus’ Wife

msswv123

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He was Completely human and completely God...true humanity and undimished deity in one person forever..not half and half ...he never utilized his own power but that of the Father and the Spirit. He had to complete his mission as a true human...that's the WHOLE point of his coming as a MAN.

The fallen angels were not humans.

Remember " not MY will but thine be done" in the garden. Was his anxiety there by sweating blood a sin?....or a normal human emotion? Jesus was seated at the right hand of the Father in his "humanity" after resurrection. So he was either a real man or he was not. IF and I believe he was then why would he not follow the customs of his own people and the directions and mandate of the God he honored, served and obeyed.
 

Kathy in FL

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He was Completely human and completely God...true humanity and undimished deity in one person forever..not half and half ...he never utilized his own power but that of the Father and the Spirit. He had to complete his mission as a true human...that's the WHOLE point of his coming as a MAN.

The fallen angels were not humans.

Remember " not MY will but thine be done" in the garden. Was his anxiety there by sweating blood a sin?....or a normal human emotion? Jesus was seated at the right hand of the Father in his "humanity" after resurrection. So he was either a real man or he was not. IF and I believe he was then why would he not follow the customs of his own people and the directions and mandate of the God he honored, served and obeyed.

There were plenty of people that chose celibacy even in those days. It all depends on what you were dedicating your life to, your age, your ability to support a wife, you ability to maintain that wife by the Laws. Like I said, there is both sound pragmatic and theological reasons why Jesus would not have married even if he was capable of procreating.
 

msswv123

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Celibacy – Ask the Rabbi


Q. What does Judaism say about celibacy?



Judaism finds it hard to understand why anyone would consciously choose never to get married. Marriage is seen as the basic human community, established by God at the time of the creation. Its purpose is twofold – deep companionship (“It is not good for man to be alone”) and procreation (“Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth”).

The person who deliberately renounced marriage lacked joy, blessing, happiness (and, said one of the sages, also peace: Y’vamot 62b). The celibate also deprived society: for who knows what blessing one’s child might bring to the world, even that of being the Messiah?

Yes, the Essenes frowned on marriage, but this may have been due to outside influences, and in any case Essenism is not normative Judaism. Only one of the Talmudic rabbis chose not to marry – Ben Azzai, who when criticised said, “What shall I do, since my soul embraces the Torah? Let others perpetuate the world” (Y’vamot 63b). However, some say that he had in fact been married but separated from his wife so as to study Torah (Sotah 4b); others say he had been engaged to Rabbi Akiva’s daughter but they never married (K’tubot 63a, Tosafot).

Other sages stayed away from home for long periods in order to study, and the marital problems they caused were acknowledged. Some authorities such as Maimonides had a rather negative view of sex and among the Chassidim, Nachman of Breslov asserted that he was able to achieve indifference to sexuality. But the basic teaching of Judaism is that marriage is a mitzvah and while some Jews, including rabbis, happen not to marry, ideological celibacy has no place in Jewish teaching.

When celibacy for the Christian clergy was reasserted in the middle ages Jewish writers produced polemics against it; the 13th century Sefer Nitzachon Yashan indeed remarks that clerical celibacy does not work and priests “wallow in licentiousness in secret” (David Berger, “The Jewish-Christian Debate in the High Middle Ages”, 1979).

http://www.oztorah.com/2007/07/celibacy-ask-the-rabbi/


mitzvah [ˈmɪtsvə (Hebrew) mitsˈvɑ]
n pl -vahs, -voth (Hebrew) [-ˈvɔt] Judaism
1. (Non-Christian Religions / Judaism) a commandment or precept, esp one found in the Bible
 

homecanner1

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Painting by Giotto di Bondone, 1320's, Mary Magdalene's voyage to Marseilles. Which is contemporary with the Templars of the post crusades era. There is a whole series, Scenes from the life of Magdalene he painted. There are hundreds of paintings in private hands per the late Lawrence Gardner that are not made public, due to the controversey.

If the matriarchs were aware that disciples were getting heads crushed under boulders, hung upside down on crosses, drawn and quartered, don't you think that Grandma Mary would insist that Magdalene take any of Christ's half siblings offspring and flee in a boat with them to safety? Even if Jesus or the Baptist did not marry and procreate, its highly likely his cousins or half sibs did and in reality the grandkids were who came ashore with the Magdalene (James went to Spain recall) They weren't ALL celibate. (laughs)

So my guess is they were quickly fostered into safehouses and disappeared (married) into various French bloodlines. If questioned, Magdalene could argue, I came here alone, I live alone, I will die alone. Haven't you done enough damage already? Leave me be!

and so she did.

For whatever reason, Rome ignored her down there in the cave and proceeded to paint her as a whore to discredit her instead.

Take nothing that old witch in the lemon groves says seriously!

But the artists did not forget her. Old legends die hard.

http://www.giottodibondone.org/Scen...ry-Magdalene's-Voyage-to-Marseilles-1320.html
 

Kathy in FL

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And yet Josephus and other scholars of the day spoke highly of celibacy and even listed names of those that had chosen that lifestyle.

Celibacy – Ask the Rabbi


Q. What does Judaism say about celibacy?



Judaism finds it hard to understand why anyone would consciously choose never to get married. Marriage is seen as the basic human community, established by God at the time of the creation. Its purpose is twofold – deep companionship (“It is not good for man to be alone”) and procreation (“Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth”).

The person who deliberately renounced marriage lacked joy, blessing, happiness (and, said one of the sages, also peace: Y’vamot 62b). The celibate also deprived society: for who knows what blessing one’s child might bring to the world, even that of being the Messiah?

Yes, the Essenes frowned on marriage, but this may have been due to outside influences, and in any case Essenism is not normative Judaism. Only one of the Talmudic rabbis chose not to marry – Ben Azzai, who when criticised said, “What shall I do, since my soul embraces the Torah? Let others perpetuate the world” (Y’vamot 63b). However, some say that he had in fact been married but separated from his wife so as to study Torah (Sotah 4b); others say he had been engaged to Rabbi Akiva’s daughter but they never married (K’tubot 63a, Tosafot).

Other sages stayed away from home for long periods in order to study, and the marital problems they caused were acknowledged. Some authorities such as Maimonides had a rather negative view of sex and among the Chassidim, Nachman of Breslov asserted that he was able to achieve indifference to sexuality. But the basic teaching of Judaism is that marriage is a mitzvah and while some Jews, including rabbis, happen not to marry, ideological celibacy has no place in Jewish teaching.

When celibacy for the Christian clergy was reasserted in the middle ages Jewish writers produced polemics against it; the 13th century Sefer Nitzachon Yashan indeed remarks that clerical celibacy does not work and priests “wallow in licentiousness in secret” (David Berger, “The Jewish-Christian Debate in the High Middle Ages”, 1979).

http://www.oztorah.com/2007/07/celibacy-ask-the-rabbi/


mitzvah [ˈmɪtsvə (Hebrew) mitsˈvɑ]
n pl -vahs, -voth (Hebrew) [-ˈvɔt] Judaism
1. (Non-Christian Religions / Judaism) a commandment or precept, esp one found in the Bible
 

msswv123

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CELIBACY

The deliberate renunciation of marriage is all but completely alien to Judaism. Scarcely any references to celibates are to be found in the Bible or in the Talmud, and no medieval rabbi is known to have lived as a celibate (see L. Loew, Gesammelte Schriften, 2 (1890), 112; 3 (1893), 29ff.).

The demands of celibacy were included neither among the acts of self-denial imposed upon the Nazirite (Num. 6:1–21), nor among the special restrictions incumbent upon the priesthood (Lev. 21:1–15). Celibacy among Jews was a strictly sectarian practice; Josephus ascribes it to some of the *Essenes (Wars 2:120–21). Equally exceptional is the one solitary case of the talmudist Simeon ben *Azzai who explained his celibacy with the words: "My soul is fond of the Law; the world will be perpetuated by others" (Yev. 63b).


The norm of Jewish law, thought, and life is represented rather by the opening clause in the matrimonial code of the Shulḥan Arukh: "Every man is obliged to marry in order to fulfill the duty of procreation, and whoever is not engaged in propagating the race is as if he shed blood, diminishing the Divine image and causing His Presence to depart from Israel" (Sh. Ar., EH 1:1). The law even provides for the courts to compel a man to marry if he is still single after passing the age of 20 (ibid., 1:3). Since the late Middle Ages, however, such authority has not been exercised (Isserles, ad loc.). Only if a person "cleaves to the study of the Torah like Simeon b. Azzai" can his refusal to marry be condoned, provided he can control his sexual lust (ibid. 4).

The Jewish opposition to celibacy is founded first on the positive precept to "be fruitful and multiply" as a cardinal duty to perpetuate life, a duty which also underlies the attitude of Judaism toward *birth control. Second, celibacy is incompatible with the Jewish scheme of creation in which a man is regarded as half a human being unless he be married, and in which "he who is without a wife lives without joy, without blessing,… without peace" (Yev. 62b, based on Gen. 5:2).

Third, far from regarding celibacy as a means to the attainment of holiness, Judaism views it as an impediment to personal sanctification. This is strikingly illustrated by the rabbinic use of the term kiddushin ("sanctification") for marriage and by the insistence that the high priest be married (Lev. 21:13), especially at the time when he officiates in the Holy of Holies on the holiest day of the year (Yoma 1:1, based on Lev. 16:6, 11, and 17).

For similar reasons, unmarried people are also debarred from holding certain public and religious offices, notably as judges in capital cases (Sanh. 36b) and as synagogue readers (Sof. 14:17; cf. OḤ 53:9).

Jewish moralists in all ages have advocated severe self-control and occasionally even a measure of asceticism, but they did not encourage celibacy or any form of monasticism (although exceptionally there was a note of sympathy, cf. Baḥya's Ḥovot ha-Levavot 193, Abraham b. Ḥiyya's Meditation of the Sad Soul 133, and Abraham Maimonides' Highways of Perfection 249, 265, 279). Their writings and teachings reveal no trace of the condemnation of marriage as a compromise with evil, a concept already found in the New Testament (Mat. 19:12; I Cor. 7:9; Luke 20:27–36).

The notion that there was something immoral in marriage was refuted in a special tract by *Naḥmanides as early as the 13th century (Graetz, Gesch, 7 (19083), 41).
[Immanuel Jakobovits]

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0004_0_04094.html
 

mattbert

Veteran Member
I scream foul...

His name wasnt Jesus, it was Yeshua. Jesus is a Roman name, just as Christ is a TITLE from the Greek language.

Secondly, this was originated in the 4th century... 300 years after he died and rose...

Why did it take 300 years for ANY document to refer to a 'wife'.

But alas, I dont care what the world tries to create in lies and deceipt... doesnt change a thing to true believers, but it might for the sheeple who really dont have a relationship, only religion.

amen!
 

Oilpatch Hand

3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
Yeshua was also referred to as 'Teacher' in many places among the Bible's pages.

'Teacher' was pronounced 'Rabbi' in His time.

According to Jewish tradition, ONLY a married man could become a rabbi.

Stop confusing mythology with facts.

This is true.

I read the article in Smithsonian Magazine about this papyrus scrap and the controversy surrounding what it might mean as to the marital status of Christ. The article portrays the professor, Karen L. King, as a scholar who was trying her best to avoid linking herself or her institution, Harvard University, with a hoax or a fraud.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/The-Inside-Story-of-the-Controversial-New-Text-About-Jesus-170177076.html

Her question is a valid one: “Why is it that only the literature that said he was celibate survived? And all of the texts that showed he had an intimate relationship with Magdalene or is married didn’t survive? Is that 100 percent happenstance? Or is it because of the fact that celibacy becomes the ideal for Christianity?”

The article reminds us that the four Gospels we know today (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) are not the only Gospels that were written. Those are just the one that made it into the Church liturgy. Others were written, but were not included in the canon, such as the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Philip, and the Secret Revelation of John, among others. Quoting the article, in part:

The Linked Article said:
The line between true believer and heretic hardened in the fourth century, when the Roman emperor Constantine converted to—and legalized—Christianity. To impose order on its factions, he summoned some 300 bishops to Nicaea. This council issued a statement of Christian doctrine, the Nicene creed, that affirmed a model of the faith still taken as orthodoxy.

In December 1945, an Arab farmer digging for fertilizer near the town of Nag Hammadi, in Upper Egypt, stumbled on a cache of manuscripts revealing the other side of Christianity’s “master story.” Inside a meter-tall clay jar containing 13 leatherbound papyrus codices were 52 texts that didn’t make it into the canon, including the gospel of Thomas, the gospel of Philip and the Secret Revelation of John.

As 20th-century scholars began translating the texts from Coptic, early Christians whose views had fallen out of favor—or were silenced—began speaking again, across the ages, in their own voices. A picture began to take shape of early Christians, scattered across the Eastern Mediterranean, who derived a multiplicity of sometimes contradictory teachings from the life of Jesus Christ. Was it possible that Judas was not a turncoat but a favored disciple? Did Christ’s body really rise, or just his soul? Was the crucifixion—and human suffering, more broadly—a prerequisite for salvation? Did one really have to accept Jesus to be saved, or did the Holy Spirit already reside within as part of one’s basic humanity?

Persecuted and often cut off from one another, communities of ancient Christians had very different answers to those questions. Only later did an organized Church sort those answers into the categories of orthodoxy and heresy. (Some scholars prefer the term “Gnostic” to heretical; King rejects both, arguing in her 2003 book, What is Gnosticism?, that “Gnosticism” is an artificial construct “invented in the early modern period to aid in defining the boundaries of normative Christianity.”)

One mystery that these new gospels threw new light on—and that came to preoccupy King—was the precise nature of Jesus’ relationship with Mary Magdalene. (King’s research on the subject preceded The Da Vinci Code, and made her a sought-after commentator after its publication.)

Magdalene is often listed first among the women who followed and “provided for” Jesus. When the other disciples flee the scene of Christ on the cross, Magdalene stays by his side. She is there at his burial and, in the Gospel of John, is the first person Jesus appears to after rising from the tomb. She is also, thus, the first to proclaim the “good news” of his resurrection to the other disciples—a role that in later tradition earns her the title “apostle to the apostles.”

In the scene at the tomb in John, Jesus says to her, “Do not cling to me, because I have not yet ascended…” But whether this touch reflected a spiritual bond or something more is left unstated.

Early Christian writings discovered over the past century, however, go further. The gospel of Philip, one of the Nag Hammadi texts, describes Mary Magdalene as a “companion” of Jesus “whom the Savior loved more than all the other disciples and [whom] he kissed often on the mouth.”

But scholars note that even language this seemingly straightforward is hobbled by ambiguity. The Greek word for “companion,” koinonos, does not necessarily imply a marital or sexual relationship, and the “kiss” may have been part of an early Christian initiation ritual.

In the early 2000s, King grew interested in another text, The gospel of Mary, which cast Magdalene in a still more central role, both as confidante and disciple. That papyrus codex, a fifth-century translation of a second-century Greek text, first surfaced in January 1896 on the Cairo antiquities market.

In the central scene of its surviving pages, Magdalene comforts the fearful disciples, saying that Jesus’ grace will “shelter” them as they preach the gospel. Peter here defers to Magdalene. “Sister, we know that the Savior loved you more than all the other women. Tell us the words of the Savior that you remember, the things which you know that we don’t because we haven’t heard them.’”

Magdalene relates a divine vision, but the other disciples grow suddenly disputatious. Andrew says he doesn’t believe her, dismissing the teachings she said she received as “strange ideas.” Peter seems downright jealous. “Did he then speak with a woman in private without our knowing it?” he says. “Are we to turn around and listen to her? Did he choose her over us?’” (In the Gnostic gospel of Thomas, Peter is similarly dismissive, saying, “Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life.”)

As Jesus does in Thomas, Levi here comes to Magdalene’s defense. “If the Savior made her worthy, who are you then for your part to reject her?” Jesus had to be trusted, Levi says, because “he knew her completely.”

The gospel of Mary, then, is yet another text that hints at a singularly close bond. For King, though, its import was less Magdalene’s possibly carnal relationship with Jesus than her apostolic one. In her 2003 book The Gospel of Mary of Magdala: Jesus and the First Woman Apostle, King argues that the text is no less than a treatise on the qualifications for apostleship: What counted was not whether you were at the crucifixion or the resurrection, or whether you were a woman or a man. What counted was your firmness of character and how well you understood Jesus’ teachings.

“The message is clear: only those apostles who have attained the same level of spiritual development as Mary can be trusted to teach the true gospel,” King writes.

Whatever the truth of Jesus and Magdalene’s relationship, Pope Gregory the Great, in a series of homilies in 591, asserted that Magdalene was in fact both the unnamed sinful woman in Luke who anoints Jesus’ feet and an unnamed adulteress in John whose stoning Jesus forestalls. The conflation simultaneously diminished Magdalene and set the stage for 1,400 years of portrayals of her as a repentant whore, whose impurity stood in tidy contrast to the virginal Madonna.

It wasn’t until 1969 that the Vatican quietly disavowed Gregory’s composite Magdalene. All the same, efforts by King and her colleagues to reclaim the voices in these lost gospels have given fits to traditional scholars and believers, who view them as a perversion by identity politics of long-settled truth.

“Far from being the alternative voices of Jesus’ first followers, most of the lost gospels should rather be seen as the writings of much later dissidents who broke away from an already established orthodox church,” Philip Jenkins, now co-director of Baylor University’s Program on Historical Studies of Religion, wrote in his book Hidden Gospels: How the Search for Jesus Lost Its Way. “Despite its dubious sources and controversial methods, the new Jesus scholarship … gained such a following because it told a lay audience what it wanted to hear.”

Writing on Beliefnet.com in 2003, Kenneth L. Woodward, Newsweek’s longtime religion editor, argued that “Mary Magdalene has become a project for a certain kind of ideologically committed feminist scholarship.”

The article is quite interesting, well worth the reading time invested. While one might question the notion of Christ the Savior as a family man, the professor is merely asking the question, "Do we reject this belief because the Council of Nicaea decided that church canon should exclude any Gospel that doesn't depict Christ as celibate?"

I didn't get the impression from this article that this professor is some hairy-legged ideological bomb-thrower bent on upsetting the established order of belief.
 

Gercarson

Veteran Member
Married, unmarried, children, it doesn't matter..
You are right of course and no one would really care IF there were any mention of a marriage in the Bible. This "new evidence" is so bizarre and unusual that it doesn't deserve any credence BUT those who seek to portray Christians in ANY bad light are having a field day with this shred of papyrus with still legible writing on it (?) - trying to convince a few that they have been wrong about the Bible being the word of God because it isn't truthful, blah, blah, blah. Many are going to a great deal of effort to make that so.
Let's just wait for someone to "dig" up another "gospel" or find a cache in a cave or some other wonderful discovery that will "shed light" on the Bible. Let's find ways to keep diminishing the Bible and ways to make those who believe the Bible think they've been scammed by Christianity. I'm sure there will be even MORE amazing "discoveries".
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Why is it that only the literature that said he was celibate survived? And all of the texts that showed he had an intimate relationship with Magdalene or is married didn’t survive? Is that 100 percent happenstance? Or is it because of the fact that celibacy becomes the ideal for Christianity?”

The victors get to write the history books? But why would celibacy be considered favorable by the victors?

Perhaps human desire to picture Jesus as "perfect?" Reports are He was so in practice even while captive in his human body.

But why would marriage or even consenting carnal relation be considered by the early church as "imperfect?"

Dobbin
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
The Linked Article

The line between true believer and heretic hardened in the fourth century, when the Roman emperor Constantine converted to—and legalized—Christianity. To impose order on its factions, he summoned some 300 bishops to Nicaea. This council issued a statement of Christian doctrine, the Nicene creed, that affirmed a model of the faith still taken as orthodoxy.

In December 1945, an Arab farmer digging for fertilizer near the town of Nag Hammadi, in Upper Egypt, stumbled on a cache of manuscripts revealing the other side of Christianity’s “master story.” Inside a meter-tall clay jar containing 13 leatherbound papyrus codices were 52 texts that didn’t make it into the canon, including the gospel of Thomas, the gospel of Philip and the Secret Revelation of John.


How many of us today would trust the government to decide what religious truths we should believe?? Hell, if they told us it was raining, we would check for clouds to make sure they weren't just pissing on us.

Yet, without question, we are adamant in our belief that the Roman government, whose bureaucracy and corruption far exceeded our own, was perfectly competent to decide what was true Christianity and what was heresy almost 1700 years ago and several hundred years after Christ.

Some info on the dead sea scrolls. Written by those who lived during the time of Christ, yet disputed by Christians who prefer to accept the judgement of a Roman Emperor. I was able to see the scrolls at the Shrine Of The Book in Jerusalem, the last time I visited Israel. You can walk around and view them but cant take flash pictures. They are kept behind glass in the darkened museum.

1.The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in eleven caves along the northwest shore of the Dead Sea between the years 1947 and 1956. The area is 13 miles east of Jerusalem and is 1300 feet below sea level. The mostly fragmented texts, are numbered according to the cave that they came out of. They have been called the greatest manuscript discovery of modern times. See a Dead Sea Scroll Jar.

2. Only Caves 1 and 11 have produced relatively intact manuscripts. Discovered in 1952, Cave 4 produced the largest find. About 15,000 fragments from more than 500 manuscripts were found.
3. In all, scholars have identified the remains of about 825 to 870 separate scrolls.

4. The Scrolls can be divided into two categories—biblical and non-biblical. Fragments of every book of the Hebrew canon (Old Testament) have been discovered except for the book of Esther.

5. There are now identified among the scrolls, 19 copies of the Book of Isaiah, 25 copies of Deuteronomy and 30 copies of the Psalms .

6. Prophecies by Ezekiel, Jeremiah and Daniel not found in the Bible are written in the Scrolls.

7. The Isaiah Scroll, found relatively intact, is 1000 years older than any previously known copy of Isaiah. In fact, the scrolls are the oldest group of Old Testament manuscripts ever found. (yet we prefer to believe copies of copies 'notorized' by the Roman government)

8. In the Scrolls are found never before seen psalms attributed to King David and Joshua.

9.There are nonbiblical writings along the order of commentaries on the OT, paraphrases that expand on the Law, rule books of the community, war conduct, thanksgiving psalms, hymnic compositions, benedictions, liturgical texts, and sapiential (wisdom) writings.

10. The Scrolls are for the most part, written in Hebrew, but there are many written in Aramaic. Aramaic was the common language of the Jews of Palestine for the last two centuries B.C. and of the first two centuries A.D. The discovery of the Scrolls has greatly enhanced our knowledge of these two languages. In addition, there are a few texts written in Greek.

11. The Scrolls appear to be the library of a Jewish sect. The library was hidden away in caves around the outbreak of the First Jewish Revolt (A.D. 66-70) as the Roman army advanced against the rebel Jews.

12. Near the caves are the ancient ruins of Qumran. They were excavated in the early 1950's and appear to be connected with the scrolls.

13. The Dead Sea Scrolls were most likely written by the Essenes during the period from about 200 B.C. to 68 C.E./A.D. The Essenes are mentioned by Josephus and in a few other sources, but not in the New testament. The Essenes were a strict Torah observant, Messianic, apocalyptic, baptist, wilderness, new covenant Jewish sect. They were led by a priest they called the "Teacher of Righteousness," who was opposed and possibly killed by the establishment priesthood in Jerusalem.

14. The enemies of the Qumran community were called the "Sons of Darkness"; they called themselves the "Sons of Light," "the poor," and members of "the Way." They thought of themselves as "the holy ones," who lived in "the house of holiness," because "the Holy Spirit" dwelt with them.

15. The last words of Joseph, Judah, Levi, Naphtali, and Amram (the father of Moses) are written down in the Scrolls.

16. One of the most curious scrolls is the Copper Scroll. Discovered in Cave 3, this scroll records a list of 64 underground hiding places throughout the land of Israel. The deposits are to contain certain amounts of gold, silver, aromatics, and manuscripts. These are believed to be treasures from the Temple at Jerusalem, that were hidden away for safekeeping.

17. The Temple Scroll, found in Cave 11, is the longest scroll. Its present total length is 26.7 feet (8.148 meters). The overall length of the scroll must have been over 28 feet (8.75m).

18. The scrolls contain previously unknown stories about biblical figures such as Enoch, Abraham, and Noah. The story of Abraham includes an explanation why God asked Abraham to sacrifice his only son Isaac.

19. The scrolls are most commonly made of animal skins, but also papyrus and one of copper. They are written with a carbon-based ink, from right to left, using no punctuation except for an occasional paragraph indentation. In fact, in some cases, there are not even spaces between the words.

20. The Scrolls have revolutionized textual criticism of the Old Testament. Interestingly, now with manuscripts predating the medieval period, we find these texts in substantial agreement with the Masoretic text as well as widely variant forms.

21. Some of the Dead Sea Scrolls actually appeared for sale on June 1, 1954 in the Wall Street Journal. The advertisement read — "The Four Dead Sea Scrolls: Biblical manuscripts dating back to at least 200 BC are for sale. This would be an ideal gift to an educational or religious institution by an individual or group. Box F206."

22. Although the Qumran community existed during the time of the ministry of Jesus, none of the Scrolls refer to Him, nor do they mention any of His follower's described in the New Testament.

23. The major intact texts, from Caves 1 & 11, were published by the late fifties and are now housed in the Shrine of the Book museum in Jerusalem.

24. Since the late fifties, about 40% of the Scrolls, mostly fragments from Cave 4, remained unpublished and were unaccessible. It wasn't until 1991, 44 years after the discovery of the first Scroll, after the pressure for publication mounted, that general access was made available to photographs of the Scrolls. In November of 1991 the photos were published by the Biblical Archaeological Society in a nonofficial edition; a computer reconstruction, based on a concordance, was announced; the Huntington Library pledged to open their microfilm files of all the scroll photographs.

25. The Dead Sea Scrolls enhance our knowledge of both Judaism and Christianity. They represent a non-rabbinic form of Judaism and provide a wealth of comparative material for New Testament scholars, including many important parallels to the Jesus movement. They show Christianity to be rooted in Judaism and have been called the evolutionary link between the two.

 

msswv123

Veteran Member
Scripture reference on those who would forbid marriage:

1 Timothy 4:1-3
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

Proverbs 18:22
He who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor from the Lord.

1 Corinthians 11:11
Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman;


Gercarson:

Marriage is held in high esteem from the beginning to end of the Bible..there is PLENTY of mention in the bible about marriage....it dimishes nothing to speak of marriage. God the Father instituted marriage immediately after creating humanity. One of the first things he did.. Based on the customs and beliefs of the time when Christ was on earth as stated earlier it would be more logical to assume Christ was married than assume he was not. Scholars and researchers have asked this question many times in the past...this is nothing new.


Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. Genesis 2:24
 
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I am always so amazed that christians are so set against Jesus being married. IT IS BIBLICAL. If one researches ancient customs of marriage, burial and as ender said the qualifications for a rabbi it becomes amazingly clear. One of the biggest debates in this nation right now is marriage ....what constitutes a true marriage. Christians defend it very passionately.

The analogy of the bride and bridegroom is based on one of the holiest divine institutions established by God the Father. WHY would Jesus in his humanity NOT abide by this mandate?

How could he be tested and tried in ALL ways if he did not experience a human personal love relationship with the "woman"? It is not a sin to love and honor the sanctity of what God chose to join together.

Really if one examines it with an open mind and considers all the evidence and teachings in the scripture I believe the case for marriage is much stronger than the case against.

Scripture leaves us in darkness as to Jesus life from age 12 or 13 until the age of 30.

I find absolutely nothing wrong with the idea that Jesus was married.



For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.

One of the first expressions of Gods will for man in Genesis:

It is not good that the man should be alone

a man shall leave his father and his mother, and cleave to his wife; and they shall become one flesh

God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and multiply.





Among the Jews of the first century, some also believed in the literal resurrection of the dead. As a result, Jews believed that the body was to be respected in life and death and that a proper burial was a duty of family members.

When a person breathed the last breath and the heart stopped beating, the eyes of the deceased were reverentially closed, the entire body was washed and anointed with oil, and the hands and feet were then wrapped in linen bands. The body, clothed in a favorite garment, was then wrapped with winding sheets. Spices of myrrh and aloes were placed in the folds of the garment to perfume the body. A napkin was then bound from the chin to the head. The family took the body on a bier to be buried within hours of death


little side note:

**so many significant women in the bible named Mary.....and we call the joining of two....getting "married" (mary=ed)**
Amen.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Read Celibacy and Religious Traditions edited by Carl Olson. It not only talks about the writings of Josephus but of several other scholars' writings which were concurrently historical on the subject.

That said, most sources go on to state that those individuals and sects (such as the Essenes) that did choose celibacy were not against the institution of marriage, merely that they had chosen a different path for themselves based on their circumstances and life's devotion. Even Paul covered this topic in the Bible.

CELIBACY

The

deliberate renunciation of marriage is all but completely alien to Judaism. Scarcely any references to celibates are to be found in the Bible or in the Talmud, and no medieval rabbi is known to have lived as a celibate (see L. Loew, Gesammelte Schriften, 2 (1890), 112; 3 (1893), 29ff.).

The demands of celibacy were included neither among the acts of self-denial imposed upon the Nazirite (Num. 6:1–21), nor among the special restrictions incumbent upon the priesthood (Lev. 21:1–15). Celibacy among Jews was a strictly sectarian practice; Josephus ascribes it to some of the *Essenes (Wars 2:120–21). Equally exceptional is the one solitary case of the talmudist Simeon ben *Azzai who explained his celibacy with the words: "My soul is fond of the Law; the world will be perpetuated by others" (Yev. 63b).


The norm of Jewish law, thought, and life is represented rather by the opening clause in the matrimonial code of the Shulḥan Arukh: "Every man is obliged to marry in order to fulfill the duty of procreation, and whoever is not engaged in propagating the race is as if he shed blood, diminishing the Divine image and causing His Presence to depart from Israel" (Sh. Ar., EH 1:1). The law even provides for the courts to compel a man to marry if he is still single after passing the age of 20 (ibid., 1:3). Since the late Middle Ages, however, such authority has not been exercised (Isserles, ad loc.). Only if a person "cleaves to the study of the Torah like Simeon b. Azzai" can his refusal to marry be condoned, provided he can control his sexual lust (ibid. 4).

The Jewish opposition to celibacy is founded first on the positive precept to "be fruitful and multiply" as a cardinal duty to perpetuate life, a duty which also underlies the attitude of Judaism toward *birth control. Second, celibacy is incompatible with the Jewish scheme of creation in which a man is regarded as half a human being unless he be married, and in which "he who is without a wife lives without joy, without blessing,… without peace" (Yev. 62b, based on Gen. 5:2).

Third, far from regarding celibacy as a means to the attainment of holiness, Judaism views it as an impediment to personal sanctification. This is strikingly illustrated by the rabbinic use of the term kiddushin ("sanctification") for marriage and by the insistence that the high priest be married (Lev. 21:13), especially at the time when he officiates in the Holy of Holies on the holiest day of the year (Yoma 1:1, based on Lev. 16:6, 11, and 17).

For similar reasons, unmarried people are also debarred from holding certain public and religious offices, notably as judges in capital cases (Sanh. 36b) and as synagogue readers (Sof. 14:17; cf. OḤ 53:9).

Jewish moralists in all ages have advocated severe self-control and occasionally even a measure of asceticism, but they did not encourage celibacy or any form of monasticism (although exceptionally there was a note of sympathy, cf. Baḥya's Ḥovot ha-Levavot 193, Abraham b. Ḥiyya's Meditation of the Sad Soul 133, and Abraham Maimonides' Highways of Perfection 249, 265, 279). Their writings and teachings reveal no trace of the condemnation of marriage as a compromise with evil, a concept already found in the New Testament (Mat. 19:12; I Cor. 7:9; Luke 20:27–36).

The notion that there was something immoral in marriage was refuted in a special tract by *Naḥmanides as early as the 13th century (Graetz, Gesch, 7 (19083), 41).
[Immanuel Jakobovits]

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0004_0_04094.html
 
How many of us today would trust the government to decide what religious truths we should believe?? Hell, if they told us it was raining, we would check for clouds to make sure they weren't just pissing on us.

Yet, without question, we are adamant in our belief that the Roman government, whose bureaucracy and corruption far exceeded our own, was perfectly competent to decide what was true Christianity and what was heresy almost 1700 years ago and several hundred years after Christ.

Some info on the dead sea scrolls. Written by those who lived during the time of Christ, yet disputed by Christians who prefer to accept the judgement of a Roman Emperor. I was able to see the scrolls at the Shrine Of The Book in Jerusalem, the last time I visited Israel. You can walk around and view them but cant take flash pictures. They are kept behind glass in the darkened museum.




One thing that struck me recently is what a revolutionary Jesus was. Another thing is how the church has tried to reassert itself an an intermediary between God and us in spite of Jesus' teachings. The Catholic church is real strong in this with confessional, etc. etc.

When I was active in a reformed church a man who left the preisthood to get married joined our church. He became a decon, then an elder and soon was taking classes to become a pastor. There was some suspicion in the church. "A Catholic? RU serious?" Some were heard mumbling. My thought was who better to lead? This guy has a stronger understanding than most pastors who go to night school in order to learn about "churching". He was a great preacher and a very compassionate man. I since moved away from that area and lost touch with the church and him. I went on to go to different churches depending on my mood. Sometimes a Catholic service is nice, other times Anglican and recently I stopped in to a reformed church.... to Find my old freind the "reformed" preist running the church!

I think we get a little too hung up on details which cloud the original purpose God sent his Only begotten Son to suffer here. We like to split hairs and frown on this custom or that Ideology.

Josephus was said to be a great historian. Was he not employed by the Romans?

What of the Nicean council? What was discarded as perhaps inconvenient teachings to the entrenched powers? I understand there was some strife during those meeting ending with banishment and death threats. Hardly an environmnet for devine inspiration IMO.

s far as the celibacy issue... Interesting to me but hardly central to Gods real intention regarding Christ.
 

jonnybones

One Love, One Heart
Johnnybones,
Kate Middleton's birthday is January 9, HARDLY THE WINTER SOLSTICE, so this shoots your whole "Nimrod (the "sun king/god") and Semiramis (the "moon queen/goddess") ." theory right the heck out of the water....

I agree. That was the ONLY inaccurate sentence and statement which I made, and I edited the post and removed that one sentence. However,...as for EVERYTHING ELSE which I shared about Prince William, the "sun king", etc.,...it IS dead-on accurate and stands UP to testing. If ANYONE doesn't believe that Prince William will rule the world within a few years at the longest (most likely beginning at age 33, in 2015),...you are in for a surprise,...and you WILL remember that I warned you about him......

Be NOT deceived, for AFTER World War III, the global economic collapse, etc.,......whenever the masses are desperate for "solutions" and "peace",......the son of perdition will soon "rise as a Phoenix from the ashes" and govern the world from the rebuilt system of Bab'El. There are FAR too many hints, signs and clues which are pointing towards Will-I-Am to simply ignore, as if there's "nothing" there to see. Anyone who takes a good look at the entire Windsor Royal Family can see that there are MANY "dots" which can easily be connected to form a "picture". There is a HUGE mythology surrounding this Family, and they claim to be of DIVINE lineage,...stemming from the bloodlines of David (Judah), Dan,...and in William (from his late mother, Diana, also the so-called "Merovingians" (the alleged "descendants of Jesus Christ/Mary Magdalene"). The pagan "stone of scone" in Scotland will be used by them to coronate the next king, and it claimed to be the "stone of destiny"(Jacob/chief cornerstone, which has messianic implications in and of itself). Also,...there are alleged "prophecies" of "Princess Tea-Telphi" (believed to have married the prophet "Jeremiah") which claim that "messiah" will soon come to Ireland with the Ark of the Covenant, be crowned king and bring world peace. Also,...while the poem by Freemason-occultist William Blake, "'Jerusalem' was sung during the Olympics opening ceremony, the camera continually showed William and the Family. This song was also played at his wedding. The lyrics point to "messiah" IN England : "And did those feet in ancient time ... And was the holy Lamb of God On England's pleasant pastures seen?"

This is MORE deception,...about the so-called "Jacob's Stone",...which is actually a counterfeit "Stone of Scone", used in anointing pagan kings. This is revisionist "history" at it's finest. Do not be deceived, folks!


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"The coronation stone eventually migrated through Egypt and Spain with Jeremiah to Tara in Ireland where he was called Ollam Folla, Hebrew for "revealer" or "prophet". With him were King Zedekiah's daughters who were spared during the fall of Jerusalem to Babylon and later made their way to Egypt. One of the daughters, Tea Tephi, the tender twig, served to maintain the royal sceptre bloodline of Judah. The stone changed hands three times as it was overturned again to Scotland where Fergus Earcus was crowned King of Scotland on the Stone of Destiny. The third overturning occurred when King Edward I absconded with it to Westminster Abbey in Britain in the year 1296. A special chair was built around the stone, called "King Edward's Chair" or simply the Coronation Chair.

From the time of King Edward I onward, all the Monarchs of England have been crowned on the "Stone of Destiny" and the Coronation Chair with the exception of Mary I (known as Bloody Mary). The present Queen Elizabeth II was crowned upon the Stone in 1953.

The overturns complete, the throne of David awaits its rightful owner."



This discusses more about the deception of the pagan "mythology" which has been written around the British "Israelism" (which is part of the lie which leads to the anti-messiah) :

"JEREMIAH IN IRELAND -- FACT OR FABRICATION?"

http://www.biblemysteries.com/library/jeremiah.htm

"If Jeremiah brought Zedekiah's daughter to Ireland, it went TOTALLY UNNOTICED in the ancient Irish annals. Don't you think such an event as a prophet of God bringing a royal princess of Judah from the Middle East to Ireland would have been recorded, and re-recorded, throughout the annals, and legend upon legend generated around this event? It would have been a MOMENTOUS EVENT in the long and illustrious history of the Irish people. But, British-Israelite and Church of God literature notwithstanding, the history and legends of Ireland are ENTIRELY BLANK when it comes to Jeremiah and the so-called Tea-Tephi.

Let me make it perfectly clear that although the royal house of Britain is NOT directly descended from King David of Israel through the MALE LINE, it is, in all likelihood, descended from King David through a wife or female descendant of this king who married into the line of Brutus. If this was the case, Queen Elizabeth is descended from Judah through BOTH the lines of Zarah and Pharez. The line of Zarah was brought to Ireland by Heremon the grandson of Calcol; and the line of Pharez came to Britain when Joseph of Arimathea founded the Church of God at Glastonbury. Read our article "The Stone That Roared: The Incredible Story of Lia Fail" for further details of the line of Zarah arriving in Ireland."



More deception......


Heeding Bible Prophecy: New "messiah"

http://watch.pair.com/new-messiah.html

" The Stone of Destiny was the oracular enthroning stone of the pagan Saturn kings.

"Finally, the Stone of Fal, brought to Tara as one of the four magical talismans of the Tuatha de Danann, shrieked when touched by the king-elect." 274:13

"Dalriadic kings were enthroned at sacred ceremonies in which an enthroning stone...was used. The Stone embodied St. Patrick's message in that wherever the Stone lay the race of Erc should reign. Hence the Stone's title - Stone of Destiny." - 101:1

"...The concept of omphalous is very much part of Celtic tradition. Just as there was a stone before Apollo's temple at Delphi, so at Tara...there was a magical coronation stone called Lia Fail." - 340:71

"The pagan significance of Tara is thought to have derived from its association with goddess Maeve (or Medbh) and the mythical powers of the priests and druids who reigned over parts of the country. By the second and third century, Tara became the seat of some of the most powerful rulers in Ireland. From here, the royal court held their ceremonial residence and presided over their kingdom.

"It was on the Hill of Tara that the Ard Rí, or high king was crowned, hence its title as the Seat of the High Kings of Ireland. The Tuatha de Dannan are said to have been the first race to settle in Tara. This tribe of fierce warriors and sorcerers were believed to have brought the Lia Fail, or Destiny Stone with them. Legend has it that this mythical stone could determine the identity of the true high king. It would let out three loud roars once touched by the man fated to be ruler." - 773

CHURCH AGE

The Stone of Destiny was used to crown the Merovingian kings purported to be descendants of King David of Israel.

"Hence, if this Coronation Stone which is in Westminster...is indeed what these names [Stone of Destiny, etc.] and what its history declare it to be, then it is indeed the veritable throne of Israel, upon which the sons of David were formally crowned in the Temple of God at Jerusalem." - 275:257-8

"This most sacred of Scots treasures had been brought to Scotland from Ireland...in the 5th century, having originally been carried to Ireland from Judah in about 586 BC. The venerated holy relic was said to be the Stone of the Covenant, known as Jacob's Pillow (Gen. 28:18-22), on which Jacob laid his head and saw the ladder reaching up to Heaven at Bethel. God promised Jacob that his seed would generate the line of kingship to follow..." - 29:217

The Stone of Destiny has been a 'stone of contention' between the British monarchy and Scotland; the controversy will end when a counterfeit Michael the Archangel is manifested as one of Satan's spiritual hierarchy. (See: Council of Nine 10.F; War Against the Dragon 13.D)

"On declaring himself Overlord of Scotland in 1296, Edward I of England stole what he thought was the Stone of Destiny. What he actually got was a piece of sandstone from a monastery doorway, which has since rested beneath the Coronation Throne at Westminster Abbey. This piece of rubble is 26 inches long by 11 inches deep (c. 66x 28 cm) and weighs about 335 lbs (c. 152 kg). Royal seals of the early Scots kings depict a much larger installation rock, but this rock was not the sacred Stone of Destiny -- no more than is the medieval masonry prize of King Edward. The real Stone of Destiny is said to be smaller, more naturally rounded, and is of inscribed black basalt, not of hand-cut sandstone. It was hidden by the Cistercian Abbot of Scone in 1296, and it has remained hidden ever since. The Columbian tradition tells us that, on secreting the Stone, the Abbot prophesied that one day 'The Michael' would return to his inheritance." - 29:299


Lionheart: HRH Prince William: Is he the long awaited annointed one?


http://lionheartuk.blogspot.com/2008/06/hrh-prince-william-is-he-long-awaited.html

Is Prince William the antichrist

http://www.grailcode.net/

Two Royal Families in Great Britain have claimed of them to be descendants of the Royal House of David, a Bloodline which supposedly produced many of the ruling Houses of Europe today, including the British Monarchy and current ruling House of Windsor. The other family important to this lineage is the Scottish House of Stuart (Spencer), whose most infamous descendant was the late Princess Diana. While there is discrepancy as to whether or not the Windsor claims to the Throne of England are legitimate (being descendants of the Germanic House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha), most agree that the Stuart lineage are not only the rightful heirs to the Throne of England (and Scotland), yet also to the Throne of David, and Israel itself. In light of this, it was therefore of paramount importance that the Windsor's seek out a 'Virgin' of the Merovingian Bloodline to marry into, in effect, to finally legitimize their long held Occult power and authority claimed of them being descendants of Crusader Godfrey de Bouillon, who was given the honor of the Kingdom and declared "King of Jerusalem" in 1099, as well as creating what they see would be a unique Christ descendant from such a union of their draconic lineages that would forever legitimize their tight grasp on the British Monarchy. Therefore this intriguing and most infamous of arranged marriages between Charles and Grail Princess Diana was not hatched solely by the Windsor's themselves, it was of far more ancient design and connected to the Knights Templar. Interestingly enough, six months after the Royal Wedding, while Diana was already three months pregnant, came the release of Holy Blood Holy Grail in which the three authors made the shocking claim of the secret of the Knights Templar. This 'secret' being propagated to the world in 1982 contained the genealogical record of the Davidic Bloodline passing thru Christ and His descendants to became the Frankish Merovingian Kings, a secret which curiously became the foundation for the modern Occult itself, connected to their prophecy about the birth of a future Antichrist King.

This ancient secret that included a unique Bloodline supposedly descended from King David was so powerfully wrought with arcane knowledge that it threatened the gluttonous ruling classes of Europe and Church, granting the original Templars enough power to rival both Europe's nobles and the Church itself with extinction. The Knights Templars practiced and prospered, worshiping a god named Baphomet which many believed to be the Devil. In time the Church, as well as the new King of France (who it is said was awash in Templar debt) had enough, the decree went out and the once untouchable Knights Templar who had grown so vastly powerful in such a short time, were rounded up and put to death wherever they were found, yet many were not found. The year was 1313, and the abrupt disappearance of a major part of the European infrastructure left some to speculate that Templars had escaped into the underground, taking with them their vast wealth, power, and knowledge. And so it was, from France into Scotland, the Templars took with them their heretical lineage, science, and secrets where they patiently waited, and subtly worked. Many of today's secret fraternal Orders, including Scottish Rite Freemasonry, as well as the cunningly devised metaphysical movements which prepare for a New Age, even Satanic cults themselves, all trace their spiritual roots to Grail Templarism as well as the so-called Divine Feminine. While in Scotland, the Templars created the Jacobite movement, putting its cause behind the Royal House of Stewart. The "Davidic Bloodline" had now secured a Crown in what was becoming the most powerful country in the world, as Queen Elizabeth I dies without an heir and James Stewart VI of Scotland becomes King James of England. The Knights Templar, and their Royal House of Stewart were thence connected to the powerful Bloodline and seat, a Bloodline which eventually produced Lady Diana Spencer, the late Princess of Wales.

The Merovingian Kings, their supposed Holy Bloodline (and their true progenitor), have a rich and twisted history all their own, yet is directly connected to the supposed findings of the Templars in that they are the connective link between the Christ lineage and European Royalty, which is believed to include the Hapsburgs, Plantagenets, and Stuarts, among others. According to this latest revived heresy developed with a very specific purpose and timeframe yet to play out, Jesus did not die on the cross and rise from the dead becoming mankind's Salvation, instead it is claimed He had sex with Mary Magdalene, survived the Roman crucifixion, and lived to father at least one, or a number of Divine children, the firstborn said to be a son named Judah or Merovee, a name later given to the first Merovingian King in France (447 to 458 AD) while others believe the child was actually a daughter, given the name of Sarah (or Tamar, which became the name of an ultra-secretive organization whose task it was to protect future Merovingian descendants). Regardless of the supposed names, titles, and endless genealogies, an entire race of enlightened Christ-like beings each leading to the next in succession in some Messianic Dynasty has supposedly passed down through the ages toward a final One who would rule in the name of Christ, albeit, in the stead (instead) of Christ. This could only be Anti-Christ. The same who take these fanciful claims of Christ having 'holy' children who twist it into historical fact also say these "truths" were kept hidden from the rest of the world, having been suppressed by the Catholic Church and revealed only by the original Knights Templar who then passed these shocking revelations on to an underground stream of alchemists, astrologers, cabalists, necromancers, and elite Royal families through various secret societies such as the main inheritors of the Templarian secrets, the Freemasons*. The fact that this information is becoming known and falsely tauted as the Bloodline of Christ to this generation indicates the time of the Merovingian Antichrist revealing is near.

The British Royal Family's own links to this supposed Bloodline and history is damning in of itself (as it turns out to be a lineage dating back to Cain, and not Christ at all) passing through the Merovingian Kings of France and into Scotland where it became known as the House of Stuart, of which Princess Diana is descended from and becomes her more legitimate trace to this Bloodline of the Holy Grail which is why, as it is believed, she was selected by the British Royal Family* for the most infamous of arranged marriages. To the Occult mind, she literally was the Holy Grail, the receptor of Christ's Blood, the embodiment of the Divine Feminine, and her womb would bring forth a powerful King into the world who provides the many curative powers attributed to the Grail for the healing of a wounded world. With certain guidance from their 'spirit masters' over a span of six millennia, secret societies such as the modern Knights Templar and others each have their role as protector to the ancient lineage, as Guardians of the Holy Grail, unseen hands throughout the ages carrying out the will of one who made it. As such, this Bloodline was always to find its way down thru history, thru the vanquishing of ancient advanced civilizations, thru the rise and fall of great empires, thru violent crusades and times of inquisition right into our own modern age and into its intended final recipient, who according to the Occult texts, seems much more to be an Antichrist figure than anything even remotely resembling Jesus Christ. Might it be therefore that this Bloodline, being "the secret of all ancient secret societies," is currently being made public and purposefully released into the mainstream of society as a way to lay a foundation for further "secrets" to come, to deceive the masses? Have you ever noticed that all of these same secrets go at great strides to denegrate the Divinity of Christ, while promoting a questionable lineage that is actually connected to the coming Antichrist? You have to understand the nature of the mind of the Occultists that are the ones placing the little symbols and New World propaganda in the first place, as to why they do it and what effects on society they feel it will bring about.
 

Oilpatch Hand

3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
Just as an aside, what do you have against hairy legs?

Nothing, as long as they're attached to men. Women, on the other hand...not so much, by dint of personal preference. And the professor featured in the Smithsonian article is in fact female.
 
Wow, lots of closed minds around this one. Why shouldn't have Jesus have been married to Mary Magdalen? It is said in the apocryphal books that some of the apostles were envious of Mary because Jesus would impart teachings to her in private that they would not receive from Him themselves.

Just because the Council of Nicea, a bunch of mortal men, decided that certain books should be left out of the Canon, does not make it right or just and was probably against God's will.

2 Timothy 3:15-17 "And that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."

All scripture is given by inspiration of God.

So when we follow the Bible, we are following God's will for man, not the will of other men.

Exactly. The council of Nicea LEFT BOOKS OUT. I don't think that was God inspired at all, that was MAN inspired. The important thing is to believe that Jesus has offered us grace and redemption and that is the biggest gift of all.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Technically, now this thread could be relegated to the RELIGION sub-category.

But there are SOOO many things I have learned here. A couple posts nascient Woo-woo. Most not.

Dobbin
 

jonnybones

One Love, One Heart
Johnnybones,
Kate Middleton's birthday is January 9, HARDLY THE WINTER SOLSTICE, so this shoots your whole "Nimrod (the "sun king/god") and Semiramis (the "moon queen/goddess") ." theory right the heck out of the water....

Actually,...the theory is NOT "blown......out of the water".

Here's why :

Prince William's birth took place just after a Solar Eclipse on the Summer Solstice, an especially powerful moment in time when the Sun, Moon, and North node were closely aligned in the Prince’s Seventh House in the emotional sign of Cancer. Eclipses are widely-believed to be the great power points of the Zodiac.

Kate Middleton was born on January 9, 1982, 6 months before William,....on the day of a LUNAR eclipse. That is part of the reason why many are referring him to the sun, and her to the moon.
 

jonnybones

One Love, One Heart
The deception continues unabated......

Prince William and Kate Middleton: Where the Sun and Moon Meet

http://blog.californiapsychics.com/...e-middleton-where-the-sun-and-moon-meet.html/

For those of you wondering if the marriage of Prince William and Kate Middleton is fated, defying all odds – it’s true! The remarkable birth of Prince William on a Solar Eclipse – meeting of the Sun and the Moon – on the Summer Solstice has dazzled many astrologers for years, as this reflects the “Solstice King” of the old myths of the UK. When studying the chart of Kate, lo and behold, she was born on the Lunar Eclipse just after the Winter Solstice in the same year as Wills!

As many of you who know the basics of astrology are aware, the Sun is the “King” and the Moon is his sacred feminine counterpart. For those of us north of the equator, the Winter Solstice is the darkest day of the year and feminine in nature. The Summer Solstice is the longest day of the year and masculine in nature. Eclipses are considered to be the windows or gateways through which we communicate with all that is beyond time and space.

Clearly, there is “destiny” here! Those rude enough to call her “Waity, Katie” weren’t as aware as she… this strong Capricorn with her gentle moon in Cancer was not about to walk away from her destiny, or “wouldn’t fall off the mountain” might be more appropriate to a mythic “sea goat” Capricorn figure. Speaking of figures – thanks to the paparazzi’s tendency to publish bikini photos of the young lady – it is clear that she could have been a swimsuit model, but she was no common “commoner.”

The historical cycle of the eclipse Kate was born under is considered to be “1 South” in the Jansky-Brady* method that considers when the eclipse series began (1729 AD) and ends (2973 AD). This is a newer cycle, and it is all about new ideas. Princess/Queen Catherine (Kate) may feel compelled to bring in new ideas, not only regarding what is best for all, but certainly what is best for her husband.

In contrast, the historical cycle of the eclipse William was born under is considered to be “2 Old North” in the Jansky-Brady which began in 792 AD and ends in 2036 AD, likely within his lifetime. Prince William reflects the end of a cycle; in this case it would likely be the monarchy’s role as it has been in the past.

Just to add a little fun to this, my dear friend and famous cross-cultural mythologist-historian-astrologer, Dr. Dennis Harness, let me know that Vedic/Indian astrologers believe that Princess Diana was a reincarnation of an Indian princess at the time of the Raj when the British came to dominate the Indian people. This Princess vowed to bring down the English monarchy.

This is a very interesting, given that Diana gave birth to him on this day, and that Kate has the new ideas he needs for his legacy to survive in a form that could be acceptable to a former “Indian Princess” (Diana) looking to end the oppression of people in every sense.

Kate, who I understand wishes to be called Catherine now (more appropriate to a princess or queen), will likely be a phenomenon alongside her Solstice King. Might “bringing down the monarchy” be interpreted as the “People’s Princess” giving birth to a young man who marries a “commoner?” I doubt that is profound enough. However, if the Solstice King and his Queen reflect the chivalry of King Arthur (his ancient ancestry) along with the love of the people’s well-being as the foremost goal of the monarchy (as her Cancer Moon would wish), might their role become something much more appropriate to our times – true leadership figures representing fierce protection of all life and culture?

This beautiful couple has much to do with our ancient past and our amazing future. Let’s all look on in wonder as we watch the stars!
 

jonnybones

One Love, One Heart
This is a VERY insightful expose' which reveals MUCH of the blatant occult deception and lies behind the so-called "Jesus Christ/Mary Magdalene marriage and Merovingian bloodline", which is nothing but a clever trap to manipulate mankind into worshipping the near-future anti-messiah. HIGHLY-recommended article...... (please visit site page to view full text, images, etc.) :


"Will the Antichrist claim to be a descendent of Jesus? The popular Mary Magdalene religious conspiracy implies that he will. This conspiracy theorizes that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene and had children who’s descendents are still alive today. Their descendents today are supposedly the Merovingians. The theory states that the Merovingians have preserved their royal bloodline through the centuries with the help of secret societies. The theory postulates that his bloodline will supposedly birth a king which will claim to be the Messiah.

The relatively recent release of Holy Blood, Holy Grail and the three corresponding documentaries, The Lost Treasure of Jerusalem, The Priest the Painter and the Devil and The Shadow of the Templars produced by Henry Lincoln and associates have aroused considerable questions over the validity of Jesus’ life according to the traditional commonly held beliefs of mainstream Christians. These works promote the idea that Jesus was married and his descendents are still around today. Even recent works of pop culture such as the Dan Brown conspiracy books are based around this theme. With the reminder that we are living in the Last Days, its highly probable that these ideas are promoted because they are related to Satan’s End Times deceptions. This article will discuss the many sources and ideas concerning Jesus’ alleged marriage and supposed descendents. We will also get into Satan’s possible motivations with the promotion of this theory.

Henry Lincoln’s initial work catapulted these Mary Magdalene theories into the popular culture stratosphere. Suspiciously enough, these theories were brought forward and told through mainstream television documentaries. This fact alone suggests that the content of these theories was promulgated or advanced to benefit Satan’s great plan. Satan is ruler of this world (Luke 4:6). If any new ideas threatened his plans of deception they would never be alluded to on television. The very fact that these works, as well as the hugely successful Holy Blood Holy Grail book, and works by different authors such as Rex Deus, have effected the societal and cultural mind as much as they have, especially in the last couple of generations corresponding with the End Times, could be seen as evidence of a sinister effort to indoctrinate the masses just in time for one of Satan’s End Times deceptions.

Rennes-le-Chateau is a small village in France. Within this village is a famous church dedicated to Saint Mary Magdalene. Much of the initial public surge of interest in these conspiracies was based upon secret hidden information allegedly found by one of its priests: a man named Berenger Sauniere. According to Rex Deus, Sauniere, while renovating the Church, found a hidden compartment in one of the pillars, inside was found several coded documents. Sauniere was rumored to have discovered a great treasure. Shortly after the renovations, Sauniere spent vast sums of money which he used to further renovate the church as well as fix up his poor impoverished community. He was also the subject of several visits by known occultists and other unusual, for a priest of a tiny village, members of high society like Claude Debussy and Emma Calve. He was apparently also linked to Masonic lodges throughout France and Europe.

Within the church itself, there seems to be some suspicious evidence which suggests intentional manipulation. Just inside the church doors is a statue of the demon Asmodeus. This demon is regarded as the custodian of secrets guardian of hidden treasure and builder of Solomon’s Temple. This is very interesting symbolism because, judging from Satanically controlled Christian propaganda, it seems like the Antichrist will rebuild Solomon’s temple. Should this be viewed as planted evidence that promotes the idea that the Mary Magdeline conspiracy promotes Satan’s agenda? Also, why would this scary looking statue be within the Chateau? This seems like it is contrived and planted evidence that is used to link the Chateau with evil esoteric secret societies and the occult. Why would Satan, whom would logically want to keep the identity of his Antichrist secret, allow the propaganda for his Antichrist to be associated with demonic imagery? Naturally he would only want his Antichrist to be associated with very squeaky clean imagery without any obvious evil connotations so as not to raise suspicions. Could Satan purposely be providing clues as to who his Antichrist is? Why on earth would he release information that would help us navigate through his End Times deceptions? We will cover this shortly.

Also within Rennes-le-Chateau are the Catholic stations of the cross. The 14th station depicts Jesus being carried to the tomb in the cover of darkness during the night which is contrary to accepted doctrine. This draws another link to the commonly held esoteric tradition that Jesus survived the crucifixion. This is also what the Muslims believe. This would lead us to believe that the New Age occult esoteric movement is in bed with Islam. Both Islam and the New Age will be allies in the End Times. They will be deceived into worshiping the counterfeit Jesus who will claim that he survived the crucifixion.

Henry Lincoln postulated that the treasure that was hidden in the Chateau was information about an ancient conspiracy concerning Jesus and his supposed descendents. Lincoln would inevitably delve much deeper into this subject. Lincoln implicated a secret society called Priory of Sion with an ancient conspiracy who’s main objective was to restore the Merovingian line, supposedly descendents of Jesus, to the thrones of Europe. Similar mythos is also found within Arthurian legend. Apparently the legendary Holy Grail was referring to a sacred genetic line. This Holy Grail is derived from Sangreal, from this came San Greal, to San Graal, then Saint Grail which was used to derive Holy Grail. Finally it was Sang Real, or the Blood Royal which was used to refer to the descendents of Yeshua. This claim seems to have little base however, over 100 year ago etymologist Sir Walter Skeat confirmed that the correct meaning of the term is Holy Grail.

According to Rex Deus, this hidden royal dynasty was mentioned in Le Serpent Rogue, which is one of the Priory documents, it made a reference to a red snake that uncoils continuously through time. An image symbolizing the bloodline descending through the ages. The red snake itself is suspicious symbolism. Snakes are associated with Satan in the Bible (Revelation 12:9). Is this another instance of Satan planting more evidence suggesting that the Antichrist will be birthed from the Merovingian line.

Satan has planted similar evidence in more open and apparent places. The royal family are also rumored to be Merovingians. Prince William’s coat of arms indicating possible planting of evidence to implicate these Merovingians as evil, and perhaps the bloodline of the Antichrist. Take a look at the red dragon on Prince William’s royal crest:

Prince William’s Coat Of arms

Once again Satan is releasing information that would implicate the Merovingians as evil. The “I serve Satan” part of the crest is almost laughably obvious. Notice the Mouth of a Lion, Body of a Leopard, and Feet of a Bear part of the crest. This is taken from Revelation 13:2 which is indicating that the beast (End Times Kingdom) will have these characteristics. Satan would have you believe that this is referring to an Antichrist entity rather than a kingdom. Read more about the End Times kingdom symbolism here. Also notice all of the Israelite symbolism. This is to help form the belief that the Merovingian line which will breed the Antichrist are Jewish.

“I came out with my Be Wise As Serpents book in 1991, which among other things covered the Prieure de Sion, after I had concluded that the evidence verified its existence. I approached the issue from my own angle of research. In researching the Illuminati it became clear 1. that bloodlines were very important, 2. that the people in high level Satanism believe they are descendents of the House of David, 3. the Illuminati’s activities tied in in many ways to the Prieure de Sion. One startling tie in was that the Freeman family was, according to an informant, one of the top 13 Illuminati families.” (Top 13 Bloodlines of the Illuminati – Fritz Springmeier pg 63ff)

“The Prieure de Sion recruits its own special ones from the upper reaches of the Scottish Rite. After the Scottish Rite men can procede to the Rite of Mizriam, which also has ties to the Prieure de Sion. The upper grades of the Scottish Rite are the lower degrees of the Prieure de Sion, according to M. Jean-Luc Chaumeil, a man who had contact with the Grand Master of the Prieure de Sion and was familiar with that Society. Also according to Jean-Luc Chaumeil, whose knowledge of the Prieure de Sion is obviously of merit and worthy of attention, the Prieure de Sion is generally Jewish but a few non-Jewish members are admitted.

Why would a man like Chaumeil leak information about this powerful Jewish society which is claimed to guard the holy blood lineage of King David and Jesus Christ? Because the time is close when the most powerful ‘Jews’ in the world plan to reestablish a King-Priest to rule the world. People must be given a chance to believe in this purported blood descendant of Jesus Christ. In order to legitimatize their story, they have orchestrated a complex series of ‘leaks’, which has revealed the existence of their Order and its antiquity. Whether their story line that they have guarded the royal blood line is true or not, it has enought truth in it to fool most people. It is and will be one of the best orchestrated hoaxes in history. By uniting both the Christians and Jews behind this Messiah, they can rule the world with the religious blessings of the masses. Now the reader begins to see the significance, that the present day Pope (Pope John Paul) is Jewish, a Freemason, and working with the Prieure de Sion.” (Be Wise as Serpents p 68)

Will the Antichrist really be Jewish? Satan has twisted many scriptures to help give credence to this deception. Dan 11:37 says “Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers.” This passage is referring to Herod the great. Daniel 11 covers the history of the Jewish people from 5th to 1st century B.C. All of the prophecies of Daniel 11 have already been fulfilled. The preceding verses of Daniel 11:32-35 discuss the situation of Judah during and after the Maccabean revolt. The king spoken of in Daniel 11:37 therefore must be a king that took power towards the end of the Hasmonean dynasty. Surely enough, Herod the Great is such a king. He fulfills these prophecies.

One other commonly cited passage that is used to make the claim that the Antichrist is Jewish is John 5:43 which states “I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.” This passage does not state anything about the antichrist being Jewish. This passage is referring to the Jews willingness to follow false teachers such as Hillel and Shammai who were popular at the time of Yeshua’s ministry. This was perhaps even alluding to the future false messiah Sabbatai Zevi.

Another contrived planted piece of evidence is the Merovingian bee symbolism. Bloodline of the Holy Grail describes the relevance of the bee to the Merovingians.

The Merovingian kings were noted sorcerors in the manner of the Samaritan Magi, and they firmly believed in the hidden powers of the honeycomb. Because a honeycomb is naturally made up of hexagonal prisms, it was considered by philosophers to be the manifestation of divine harmony in nature. Its construction was associated with insight and wisdom – as detailed in Proverbs 24:13-14: “My son, eat thou honey, because it is good… So shall the knowledge of wisdom be unto thy soul…”

To the Merovingians, the bee was a most hallowed creature. A sacred emblem of Egyptian royalty, it became a symbol of Wisdom. Some 300 small golden bees were founded stitched to the cloak of Childeric I (son of Meroveus) when his grave was unearthed in 1653. Napoleon had these attached to his own coronation robe in 1804. He claimed this right by virtue of his descent from James de Rohan-Stuardo, the natural son (legitimized in 1667) of Charles II Stuart of Britain by Marguerite, Duchesse de Rohan. The Stuarts in turn were entitled to this distinction because they, and their related Counts of Brittany, were descended from Clodion’s brother Fredemundus – thus (akin to the Merovingians) they were equally in descent from the Fisher Kings through Faramund. The Merovingian bee was adopted by the exiled Stuarts in Europe, and engraved bees are still to be seen on some Jacobite glassware.”

The bee is also used symbolically by Masons.

Satan’s conspiracy is ancient. Satan was instrumental in choosing the bee symbol for the Merovingians because the bee was linked to the Tribe of Dan (Judges 14:8). Many deceived people believe the Tribe of Dan will birth the Antichrist. These ideas are Satanic propaganda intended to give credence to the idea that the Antichrist will be human. The Tribe of Dan is relevant today because some of them have stolen the Jews identity. Many of the so called Jews are not Jews at all but are descendents of the serpent seed Tribe of Dan. Read this article for more about the Tribe of Dan and their role in the End Times.

Some of my dreams from God have indicated that the Antichrist will be an angelic entity posing as human. Considering that most Satanically controlled mainstream preachers insist upon the idea that the Antichrist will be Jewish, despite any scriptural evidence, suggests that he will indeed be masquerading as a Jew because it benefits Satan’s great plan in some way. Considering the above mentioned evidence that the Merovingians are supposedly Jewish, the fact that Satan’s controlled Christian establishment promotes the idea that the Antichrist will be Jewish gives credence to our theory that he will claim to be a Merovingian descending from Mary Magdalene. This will all be a lie however because the Antichrist will be an angelic entity posing as a human.

Will the Antichrist be a human being like many claim?

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;" (2 Thessalonians 2:3)

Many people interpret the above passage as describing a human Antichrist. However, the word man not only refers to humans but is also used to describe the angel Gabriel. In Daniel 9:21, he is explicitly called “the man Gabriel.” Satan himself is referred to as a man in Isaiah 14:12-14. God seems to go out of his way to emphasize the fact that both humans and angels are referred to as men. Perhaps he is providing us a warning that an angelic entity will be posing as a human Antichrist.

Why would Satan try to make it look like the Antichrist is a human? By pretending that the Antichrist is a human Satan can manipulate and distort other prophecies. One of these is the prophecy that states that the “beast shall arise from the sea” (Revelation 13:1)

The Merovingians are supposedly this “Grail” bloodline. They descend from Merovee the King of the Franks who ruled from 447-458 A.D.

Meroveus” derives from the French words “mer” meaning “sea” and “vere” meaning “werewolf” or “dragon.”

THE MEROVINGIAN DYNASTY SATANIC BLOODLINE OF THE ANTICHRIST & FALSE PROPHET

The supposed partially non-human ancestery of Merovee was alluded to by the historian Priscus. According to Bloodline of the Holy Grail, Merovee was sired by a “beast of the sea.”

“Despite the carefully listed genealogies of his time, the heritage of Meroveus was strangely obscured in the monastic annals. Although the rightful son of Clodion he was, nonetheless, said by the historian Priscus to have been sired by an arcane sea creature, the Bistea Neptunis. There was evidently something very special about King Meroveus and his priestly successors, for they were accorded special veneration and were widely known for their esoteric knowledge and occult skills”
Bloodline of the Holy Grail pg 123

“The Sicambrian Franks, from whose female line the Merovingians emerged were associated with Grecian Arcadia before migrating to the Rhineland. As we have seen, they called themselves the Newmage —‘People of the New Covenant’, just as the Essenes of Qumran had once been known. It was the Arcadian legacy that was responsible for the mysterious sea beast — the Bistea Neptunis — as symbolically defined in the Merovingian ancestry. The relevant sea-lord was King Pallas, a god of old Arcadia. His predecessor was the great Oceanus. The immortal sea-lord was said to be ‘’ever-incarnate in a dynasty of ancient kings’ whose symbol was a fish – as was the traditional symbol of Jesus.”
Bloodlines of the Holy Grail pg 126

Why a sea beast? What possible reason would Merovee be sired from a beast of the sea? The fact that Merovee was supposedly sired by a beast from the sea is quite relevant Biblicaly. Satan was involved creating this fable because he knew that the “beast of the sea” title conveniently enough allows for the counterfeiting of the prophecy in Revelation which states that the beast shall arise from the sea (Revelation 13:1). Many people incorrectly assume that this beast is some sort of Antichrist entity. A beast is a kingdom. (Daniel 2, 7). So when revelation states that the beast rises out of the sea it is indicating that the End Times kingdom rises from the sea. Why would Satan try to hide the fact that the End Times kingdom rises from the sea? Because when one understands what the sea represents they have unlocked another End Times prophecy.

The Satanic corrupted and deceived preachers promote the idea that this End Times kingdom will arise out of Europe. While this is true, Satan promotes the idea that these nations are gentile countries. He does this because he does not want people to know that white people are the Lost Tribes of Israel. This Beast is said to rise from the sea. Sea is symbolic of the Israelite peoples. Therefore when this End Times “Revived Rome” empire rises out of Europe it will really be rising out of Israel.

The great sea was a massive bronze object located in Solomon’s temple. It stood upon 12 oxen. These oxen represented the 12 tribes of Israel as we will show shortly. Water is used to symbolize peoples (Revelation 17:15). This indicates that the sea is representative of the people’s whom the nations of the 12 tribes of Israel support. So the sea is symbolic of the Israelite nations and the Gentiles who dwell within. This End Times kingdom will be rising out of countries that have predominantly European demographics.

Then he made the sea of cast metal. It was round, ten cubits from brim to brim, and five cubits high, and a line of thirty cubits measured its circumference… The gourds were in two rows, cast with it when it was cast. 25 It stood on twelve oxen, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south, and three facing east. The sea was set on them, and all their rear parts were inward. (1 Kings 7:23-25)

The twelve oxen represent the twelve tribes of Israel. The configuration of the 12 oxen beneath the great brass sea was the exact configuration of the twelve tribes of Israel surrounding God’s tabernacle.

The forementioned Priory of Zion is also linked to the cult of the Black Virgin and the strange esoteric black madonnas.

“There exists in France an organization that has been in continuous existence since the twelfth century, that has some features both of an order of chivalry and of a religious order, though it is not quite either; a secret society which does not spurn the right sort of publicity; a political grouping with specific aims that is also interested in ancient esoteric wisdom and hidden mysteries. Its full name is the Order of the Prieuré Notre Dame de Sion, and its chief aim seems always to have been the restoration of the Merovingian blood-line to the throne. It is also passionately concerned with the cult of the Black Virgin and has a remarkable record of equal rights for women…

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/12dec/merovingianmythos.html

Black Madonnas may insinuate that Jesus was black. This promotes the deception that black people are the Lost Tribes of Israel, which may be an End Times deception. White people are the real Lost Tribes. It is interesting that so many deceptions are linked to the Merovingian deception. This really helps put Satan’s great plan into perspective.

Watch Unto Prayer has linked these Black Madonna’s to the Plantard family. According to the Mary Magdalene conspiracy community, the Plantard’s are descendents of the Merovingians. Notice the similar pose to the Black Madonnas.

The head of the Ordo Temple Orientis (which is a black magick organization once headed by Aleister Crowley) claimed the Merovingians were descendents of the Nephilim.

“Set was the “black god”. He was known as “he who is below.” He was banished to the underworld by his “twin” Horus for killing Osiris. The Nephilim were banished to the center of the earth for disobeying God by mating with the daughters of men and teaching them the “forbidden” arts. In this publication the Nephilim have been identified as the Fathers of the Merovingians. Set was generally considered to be a vile, vicious god baneful to men. But there are enough aspects of this god that link him to the ancient Sumerian myths, the basis of the Merovingian mythos published in this magazine, to show that Set is to be identified with the same gods and characters that make up these Mythos. He may have been considered baneful towards some races, but not the race of the Grail.”
(Kenneth Grant and the Merovingian Mythos)

Aleister Crowley, the famous Satanist’s, seal was a sea bull.

“…the Merovingian race was sired by a water beast known as the Quinotaur. This Quinotaur took the form of a sea-bull. Crowley’s personal seal was of a sea goat. Grant, writing of Crowley’s Seal of the Beast, says: ‘The beast is the sea-goat or amphibious monster identical with Cthulhu, the Quinotaure or Bull of the Deep.’ Grant writes as a footnote; ‘The waters under the earth; home of the ‘ancestors’ or subconscious atavisms of the race.’ Is this a reference to the race of the Grail?”
(Kenneth Grant and the Merovingian Mythos)

Aleister Crowley links the Merovingians with the “sea.” The OTO links the Merovingians with the Nephilim. Why would a Satanic magickal organization release information that would be so devastating to Satan’s plan. Occult illumination comes from demonic possession. These magickal practitioners receive their powers from Satan and his demonic horde. Doesn’t Satan know that this haphazardly released information about the Merovingians and Nephilim would obviously be seen by Christians and used to help identify the Antichrist. Why would Satan allow his puppets to release this information?

What are Satan’s motives?

Concerning the demonic and serpent symbols as well as the information released by the OTO linking the Merovingians to the Nephilim. Why would Satan release information that would help us identify his Antichrist? First of all, Satan released much of this information because he wants to promote other distortions such as the human Antichrist deception and the Antichrist being Jewish, which in turn helps promote other deceptions and agendas, he wants to provide counterfeits for other prophecies such as Revelation 13:1 which states that “the beast will arise from the sea.” Satan also provides information that allows one to identify his Antichrist because he wants to control both sides during this 7 year window which many call the tribulation. He wants this to be similar to the Democrats vs the Republicans in the American political system. He wants to take control of both the New Age movement as well as the Zionist Christians. He plans on leading both groups to their destruction.

Vladimir Lenin – “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”

Therefore, Satan will provide just enough evidence to help the Zionist Christians identify the antichrist. This will not be enough to condemn the Antichrist as being evil in the eyes of the New Age movement however. The controlled Zionist Christian establishment will help the masses identity the Antichrist. Because they have correctly identified the Antichrist, Satanically controlled televangelists will be given credibility in the eyes of the Christian masses. They will naively look to these liars and deceivers to guide them through the rest of Satan’s deceptions. These Satanist puppets will promote further deceptions. They will claim that the mark of the beast is the microchip and that Mystery Babylon the Great is the Vatican. They will claim that all one must do to get into heaven is believe. Satan will carefully guide people towards believing dangerous deceptions that will negate them from entrance into heaven. Both sides will be controlled and safely within Satan’s grasp.

Another deception that is alluded to by the Merovingian conspiracy relates to the Mark of the Beast. As mentioned before, Satan has created the Merovingian deception because he distorts and plants false evidence regarding other vital Biblical prophecies which one needs the truth of to make it into heaven. Satan has planted similar false evidence relating to the Mark of the Beast. The Hexagram is a very clever counterfeit Mark of the Beast. I will write a full article concerning it later. Satan wants us to believe that the Hexagram is the Mark of the Beast. Therefore, he has planted hexagrams on the Merovingians of old knowing that they would eventually be linked to the Antichrist. He wants people to think “Look the evil serpent seed Merovingians of old were fond of the hexagram symbol, therefore it must be the Mark of the Beast!” Notice the Hexagram symbol in the following picture. (Bloodline of the Holy Grail p 165)

This is a picture of King Pepin. Notice the Hexagram symbol on his shirt. King Pepin supposedly responsible for removing the Merovingian dynasty from power. His descendents would later marry Merovingian princesses.

Satan has made sure to plant Hexagram symbols in many places to help form the belief that the Hexagram is the Mark of the Beast.

ASMON – An anagram of Mason is spelt around the Illuminati pyramid

From the book, Saturn: New Look at an Old Devil

Satan makes sure that the hexagram symbol is associated with Illuminati and Satanic symbolism. If the Hexagram was really the Mark of the Beast, Satan would make sure that it was never associated with evil or occult imagery.

Even more relevant is the association of the Hexagram with Rennes-le-Chateau itself. Notice the coat of arms of the Rennes-le-Chateau. (Holy Blood Holy Grail p 396)

Notice the hexagram symbol and its association with Circuit magazine. This magazine was supposedly published by the Priory of Sion. (Window of cathedral near Rennes le Chateau)

Look at all of the planted evidence to make the world think that the Hexagram is the Mark of the Beast. For readers of this website it is not surprising at all that we find the Hexagram also on the Pope’s hat. The Vatican is the counterfeit Mystery Babylon the Great. So we have the head of the counterfeit Mystery Babylon the Great wearing a counterfeit Mark of the Beast in an attempt to give credence to his deception.

Satan planting evidence to make it look like the hexagram is the Mark of the Beast

Ratzinger alludes to the Mary Magdalene deception in other ways as well.

“the doctrine of Jesus’ divinity would not be violated if Jesus had been the product of a normal human marriage. For the divine sonship that faith speaks of is not a biological, but an ontological fact. “
Red Deux p 52

This is alluding to the belief that is expressed amongst many New Age Mary Magdalene conspiracy theorists that Jesus was not divine at all. They claim that he was a normal human who had become enlightened in the esoteric Mystery Schools. They claim that Jesus did not come to redeem humanity but to teach esoteric knowledge.

According to masonic scholar A E Waite and Magnus Eliphas Levi, Jesus was an initiate of the Egyptian cult of Osiris and a follower of the Goddess Isis.
Rex Deus p 199-200

Rex Deus claims that Jesus was an Essene. These Essenes were in reality just practitioners of the Satanic Mystery Religions that worshiped pagan deities.

“…in the days of Josephus, the Essenes worked a secret Initiation Rite of four degrees, and though regarded as good Jews, nevertheless prayed to the Sun just before the dawn as if invoking him to rise. Surely this fact is most significant and suggests that in the Essenes we have at least one of the links by which the old Adonis Cult, cleansed and purified, was passed on to the Roman Colleges of Architects, and so, via the Mediaeval Comacine Masons to us.”
(Who is Hiram Abiff? Pg 108)

We have learnt undoubtedly there were certain secret rites taking place in the days of Ezekiel, and shall learn that in the time of Josephus the Essenes were a sect with elaborate initiatory rites, penal oaths, and so forth, whose obligation was strikingly like the charge given in the first degree in masonry. Included in their rites was a preliminary baptism with water, a special regalia, a sort of sacramental meal, and, above all, prayers to the sun which, though alien to the orthodox Jewish faith, were an integral part of the ceremonies connected with the death of Tammuz.”
(Who is Hiram Abiff? Pg 133-134)

“…the Essenes were really a reformed version of the old Tammuz cult, and that they are a very probable link in the chain of the evolution of that cult into modern Speculative Freemasonry.
(Who is Hiram Abiff? Pg 140)

Rex Deus goes on to claim that Jesus was a practitioner of an initiatory pathway called “The Way.” This “Way” was a form of esoteric illumination that lead to higher levels of consciousness, knowledge and wisdom. Satan’s great plan is to tempt humanity the same way that he did in the Garden of Eden. He will offer to make them like Gods. Satan will counterfeit the return of Jesus. This counterfeit Jesus will teach people esoteric illumination. God helped confirm this to me with some abnormal experiences I had when I was a teenager when I used hallucinogenic drugs."
 

NoName

Veteran Member
I scream foul...

His name wasnt Jesus, it was Yeshua. Jesus is a Roman name, just as Christ is a TITLE from the Greek language.

Secondly, this was originated in the 4th century... 300 years after he died and rose...

Why did it take 300 years for ANY document to refer to a 'wife'.

But alas, I dont care what the world tries to create in lies and deceipt... doesnt change a thing to true believers, but it might for the sheeple who really dont have a relationship, only religion.

As I commented to DW when we watched it on the nightly news...Says his name was Jesus...last name quite likely Gonzalez, as our Lord Jesus wasn't married. Folks are just confused, as satan has hoped.
 

jonnybones

One Love, One Heart
The Lost Tribe of Dan

http://watch.pair.com/dan.html

"Several obscure prophecies in the Bible point to the fact that the tribe of Dan will produce the Antichrist. In the context of these prophecies, Samson's riddle may be a prophecy that the descendants of the tribe of Dan will one day try to destroy the tribe of Judah in jealous revenge for God's judgment on their idolatry. From the carcass of the young lion [Judaism] the tribe of Dan [typified by the bees] will attempt to produce a golden age [symbolized by honey]. The conspiracy of the tribe of Dan, aka the Synagogue of Satan, to steal the messianic birthright from the tribe of Judah and establish a false messianic kingdom in Israel is given more detailed treatment in our report, Mystery Babylon: Catholic or Jewish?

The Merovingians, who plan to rule the world from their future throne at Jerusalem, claim to come from the tribe of Judah through Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene. However, the weight of evidence indicates that they descended from the tribe of Dan. Although Scripture states that Samson was “of the family of the Danites” [Judges 13:2], Yair Davidy of Brit-Am Israel claims that his lineage includes the Messianic tribe of Judah: “Samson the superman hero came from the Tribe of Dan but his mother was from Judah. Samson, in some respects, was considered a forerunner of the Messiah who will come from Judah but his mother, according to the Midrash will be of the Tribe of Dan.” [Brit-Am Israel newsletter, 2/9/99]"



"The Illuminati is the continuation of the Mystery Religions of Babylon and Egypt. And the bloodlines of the Illuminati go back to people who at one time lived in Babylon and Egypt. Just how the House of David (the Satanic one) and the Holy Blood of the 13th family fit in with everything else in history I can’t say. I’m sure It would be a big story to tell If I knew. But I do feel that somehow the 13th Illuminati family does goes back to ancient times. Is this via the Tribe of Dan or via some Druidic bloodline or is it via the Merovingians or is it via all three’ And where do the Guelphs and Black Nobility fit Into this? Whatever the case, the 13th bloodline has amassed a great deal of power and wealth on this planet. The 13th bloodline lacks nothing to bring forth their Anti-Christ who will appear to have all the correct credentials. I would not even be surprised if their Anti-Christ in order to appear real will expose another Anti-Christ. The 13th bloodline has kept its genealogies very secret. I would welcome more Input from informed persons about this bloodline. The tribe of Dan was prophesied to be the black sheep of the nation of Israel which would bite the other tribes of Israel. The tribe of Dan had the snake and the eagle as its two logos. The tribe of Dan left its calling card all over Europe as it migrated west in the names of many places. The tribe of Dan ruled the Greeks, the Roman Empire, the Austro-Hungarian empire and many others which used the eagle as its logo.

Great Britain is the mother country of Satanism.1 Scotland has long been an occult center. The national symbol of Scotland is the dragon (the snake), and for years the chief of Scotland was called the dragon. The Gaelic language is an important language for Satanism, although English and French are also use extensively by the Illuminati. The planning sessions for world takeover that some ex-Satanists experienced were held in French. The British Royal Family have long been involved with the occult. For more information on this there is a detailed examination of the Royal family and the occult in the book The Prince and the Paranormal -the Psychic Bloodline of the Royal Family by John Dale (1987).2 They have also been actively involved with Freemasonry. (See the chart.) British MI6 has been a major vehicle for the Satanic hierarchy working behind the secret veil of Freemasonry to control world events.3 British MI6 is the most secret intelligence organization in the world.4 (It is properly known as British Secret Service not to be confused with the U.S. agency by that name but performing a different function entirely.)

The British Royalty have served as important figureheads to British Freemasonry lending credibility and respectability. British Freemasonry has managed to keep itself free of much of the criticism that the other national masonic groups have brought on themselves. However, much of the credibility of British Freemasonry is undeserved. True, British Freemasonry is what it portrays itself to the public for the lower levels. But., the lower level Masons by their dues and activities are unwittingly supporting an organization that is led by Satanists at the top. An example of the subterfuge constantly exercised on the public by Freemasonry is a book purportedly written by a non-Mason entitled The Unlocked Secret Freemasonry Examined. The book portrays itself as an unbiased and complete expose of Freemasonry. The book states unequivocally that the Masonic order called Societas Rosicrucian in Anglia (sic] is only open to Christians and is a "Christian Order." However, Edith Star Miller reprints copies of a number of letters from the chief of the Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia which show that the English Grand Masonic Lodge, the SRIA, the OTO, and the German illuminati are all working together."


CANDIDATES FOR THE ANTICHRIST

The Bible indicates that in the end of times, 7 years before Christ comes in power and glory, a great politic and religious leader comes into scene, together with a false prophet, a type of "propaganda minister".

Many passages of the Bible tell about this, e.g. (2 Ts 2:3-4) "Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.. (Rev. 13:2b)

And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. (Rev. 13:7b)

http://www.laverdaduniversal.org/candidates.html

Prince William Arthur Philip Louis Windsor​

It's said: England will be the cradle of the antichrist, of this is no doubt. Theories are many. Laurence Gardner in his book Bloodline Of The Holy Grail states that the name of "Britain" is derived from "B'rith-ain" which means "Covenant Land." That the lineages of Jesus and James of Arimathea were combined in B'rith-ain's (Britain's) King Arthur. That the first appointed Bishop of Rome was Britain's Prince Linus. That the Grail Family founded the House of Camulod (Camelot). That the term "Merrie England" is derived from Mary Jacob (St. Mary the Gypsy) who came to Europe with Mary Magdalene in 44 AD. That there was a widespread cult of Mary the Gypsy in medieval England. "As Maid Marian, her cult is incorporated in the Robin Hood legends" and in the Merrie Men (Robin Hood and his Merrie Men). That the "divine legacy of the Sangreal [Blood Royal] was perpetuated in the sovereign and most noble houses of Britain and Europe -- and it is still extant today."

Prince Charles of Wales is the heir next to the British crown and the second is he's son William. Prince Charles is not popular among the people; rumors of conspiracy to eliminate Diana, his relationship with Camila, his personal assistant, have damaged the image of the British monarchy of the Windsor.

"When the Queen dies, the Crown should skip a generation, evading Prince Charles and moving directly to William. If I were a monarchist, which I am not, I would settle this issue by asking one simple question. Which of the pair is willing to call himself King Arthur? It's time we had another King Arthur, since the only one in our history occurred 15 centuries back. Charles (Philip Arthur George) and William (Arthur Philip Louis) are Arthurs...although Princes who use the name Arthur have a record of mysteriously never reaching the Throne." (Excerpt from The Guardian U.K., 2001).

Antichrist comes from tribe of Dan ... Celtic, Merovingian?

In the Bible we can understand that God judges his people by Dan, the proof of this is eg. "And Jacob called his sons and said, “Gather together, that I may tell you what shall befall you in the last days... Dan shall judge his people as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent (satan) by the way, a viper by the path, that bites the horse’s heels so that its rider shall fall backward. "(Gen.49:1,16-17)

Then Rachel said, “God has judged my case; and He has also heard my voice and given me a son.” Therefore she called his name Dan.(Gen.30:6) The name Dan means "he judged".

For a voice declares from Dan and proclaims affliction from Mount Ephraim... Destruction upon destruction is cried, for the whole land is plundered... For thus says the LORD: “The whole land shall be desolate; Yet I will not make a full end.... (Jer.4:15,20,27)

The tribe of Dan is missing from the list of the 144 000 Jews sealed in Rev.7:4-8. This tribe commits a serious crime! The truth is that the children of Dan were very violent and bad people and worshiped an carved image, see Judges 18:27-31, but can also be "the man of sin" of their descendants? How serious! You know the story of Samson? Samson was the tribe of Dan (see Jue.13:2,25). He was a Nazirite (was not allowed to take wine, cut hair, or touch a dead body).

Merovingian kings who reigned in France during the years 476-750 were known of their long hair, they believed they are descendants of Dan. Today, it is believed mistakenly that the Merovingians have holy blood, basing this on the lie that "Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married". For us who know the truth, it means the blood of the Antichrist. It's said the descendants of Dan today live especially in Ireland, Scotland (Celts) and Denmark (Danmark). This effort theory that the Antichrist would come from Britain.
 

Red Baron

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Harvard journal: Jesus 'wife' papyrus unverified

By JAY LINDSAY, Associated Press

September 21, 2012

BOSTON (AP) — A Harvard University journal says it hasn't fully verified research that purportedly shows some early Christians believed Jesus had a wife, even though Harvard's divinity school touted the research during a publicity blitz this week.

The research centers on a fourth-century papyrus fragment containing Coptic text in which Jesus uses the words "my wife." On Tuesday, Harvard Divinity School professor Karen King announced at an international conference that the fragment was the only existing ancient text in which Jesus explicitly talks of having a wife.

Harvard also said King's research was scheduled to be published in the Harvard Theological Review in January and noted the journal was peer-reviewed, which implied the research had been fully vetted.

But on Friday, the review's co-editor Kevin Madigan said he and his co-editor had only "provisionally" committed to a January publication, pending the results of the ongoing studies. In an email, Madigan said the added studies include "scientific dating and further reports from Coptic papyrologists and grammarians."

After Tuesday's announcement, The Associated Press raised questions about the fragment's authenticity and provenance, quoting scholars at the international congress on Coptic studies in Rome, where King delivered the paper. The scholars said the fragment's grammar, form and content raised several red flags. Alin Suciu, a papyrologist at the University of Hamburg, flatly called it a "forgery."

Boston University archaeologist Ricardo Elia said Friday that the Harvard Theological Review should delay publication until the fragment's owner and origins are more clearly documented.

Harvard has kept the owner anonymous, and Elia said that raises questions about professional ethics, because Harvard appears to be protecting the owner, a collector, from other claims to the fragment. The school has said the papyrus most likely came from Egypt, which means it could be Egypt's cultural property, Elia said.

"If it's real, it was looted and smuggled, most likely," he said. "If it's not real, then it shouldn't even be out there in the discussion."

Elia said "lurking behind all of this is the suspicion that the collector is doing this for the purpose of having the scholar authenticate a piece, and get a lot of attention to it, and then turn around and sell it."

King's announcement about the fragment, which she called the Gospel of Jesus's Wife, came after the school released details in advance to The New York Times and The Boston Globe, which gave the story prominent play. The Smithsonian Channel is planning to debut a program about it at end of the month.

Text on the papyrus fragment, written in the language of early Egyptian Christians, records Jesus referring to a woman, Mary, as "my wife," and later saying, "She can be my disciple."

King emphasized the 1.5-by-3-inch fragment was not proof Jesus was married, just evidence that some early Christians thought he was. Christian tradition holds that Jesus was unmarried. Evidence to the contrary, or that he had a female disciple, would fuel debate over the role of women in the church.

King said further testing would be done on the fragment, including ink tests to determine if the chemical components match those used in antiquity.

King also took the fragment to two papyrologists who determined it was very likely authentic. One of the experts, AnneMarie Luijendijk, of Princeton University, said papyrus fragments often don't have provenances because many were taken from Egypt long before that was a major concern.

The Vatican newspaper and Vatican Radio frequently cover academic conferences like the one King attended, but there was no mention of King's discovery in any Vatican media on Tuesday.

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jazzy

Advocate Discernment
the thing that gets me about this idea of whether or not Jesus had a wife is that if accepted as true, it calls alot of other things into question. and therein is the real problem.

scripture never mentions Jesus having a wife but coming to fulfill the role of messiah, sent by God the Creator to fulfill His plan. there are no early church mentions of Jesus having a wife. i know, ive looked. there are myths from centuries later, but not in scripture or writings of the early church. myths from centuries later cannot have the same weight as the writings from the immediate followers of Jesus. his mother, brothers, cousins were mentioned, so if he had a wife it would have been mentioned, too.

IF we say, ok, Jesus Could have been married, or Could have had a thing with mary magdelene, then we are stuck with facing the scriptures being not quite true. then we find ourselves asking....what can we trust?

if so, then the door is open for doubting the apostles and their teachings because we start to think they were covering something up, there must have been an agenda, and what else were they wrong about......

then the door is open to doubting that the living God is/was able to preserve accurate info for future generations about Jesus. if the new testament is inaccurate, then what can we believe? did the writers make things up about Jesus?

then the door is open to questioning the truth of Jesus.

and it is certainly known that there were false 'gospels' floating around, because some of the early church writers spurned them as fakes or containing false teachings. there are floating accusations that the other 'gospels' contained some truths being hidden from us, ie, Jesus had a wife and child(ren), survived the crucifixion and moved to india, etc..... come on, if any of those myths were true, they wouldnt show up in scraps centuries later.

if any of that were true why did the apostles and followers of Jesus go to their deaths for lies? they preached Christ crucified, died, risen and ascended, and returning. they preached Jesus as he was, what he taught and what he did. if none of that was true why did they go to their deaths for it, why didnt they recant and say, ok, i was just kidding, let me live, ill burn incense to the emperor.....

in the face of so called 'new' information about Jesus that would alter His story, we have to think a bit farther down the road. IF Jesus had a wife, it would alter the scripture story of Him, it would question the teachings of the apostles and their motives because it was never mentioned or (as some assume) insert some kind of conspiracy to leave her out of the story because she was 'just a woman' and assume prejudice of the followers of Christ and again, open more doors to question their veracity.

no. i dont believe he had a wife, mary magdelene or other. God is perfectly capable of preserving the Truth of Christs story even 2000 yrs later for us. all this 'new' discoveries supposedly shedding light on Jesus is just crap to cause us to doubt and have questions and weaken our faith or cause others to doubt Jesus and make him just another man who lived 2000 yrs ago and so, what can we possibly know.........

we can debate whether or not celibacy was accepted in ancient israel but the story is whether or not Jesus was / is the Messiah. i say He Is. and as Messiah is not bound by mans customs and traditions of the day, he did not come to fulfill mans traditions, He came to fulfill Gods Plan.

i for one believe Jesus was not married and the myths of magdelene being his wife are pointed lies. it deosnt matter if centuries later some paintings were made, come one. like the artist would really know??? he was a guy with a job and got paid for some pretty pictures, did he believe in the myth because he painted it? was he some kind of authority that personally Knew the fable was true simply because he painted it? thats silly.

if God wanted Jesus to have a wife, he would have had a wife and the gospels and apostles and early church would have known about it and mentioned it At That Time. its not something that would have popped up centuries later in fairy tales. if Jesus was just a holy rabbi there would be no problem with him having a wife. but he wasnt just a holy rabbi who was persecuted and killed, he was the Messiah.

the Messiah had a role in Gods plan, he had a specific mission in that plan which included 2 parts, dying on the cross and resurrecting for the salvation of souls, and part 2, returning as the King of Kings at then end of days for the final battle and to defeat Gods enemies.

if we accept the possibility of Jesus having a wife, it opens the door to doubt all the rest about Him. as mentioned above, he was Not half man and half God, he was the fullness of God come to earth as a man, born as a man, lived as a man, tempted, suffered, cried and died as a man. then rose from the dead to prove the Power of God. he was not a holy man who was deified later, he was God who became man.

he didnt have a wife or human bloodline to pass on. those are lies.
 
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