WoT If our ambassador was tortured and raped for hours...

library lady

Veteran Member
Some reports hint our ambassador to Libya was raped and tortured before his death, citing evidence from photos in middle eastern press (belt unbuckled, pants pulled down, brusing on stomach area). If this turns out to be true, what difference will it make in the US response to the murder? Would you feel differently if you heard he'd been tortured, rather than just dying of smoke inhalation? Would/Should US policy change if this is the case?

It's a hypothetical question at the moment. But as the investigation continues, who knows what will come out.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
I read that on line too and was shocked and disgusted. I think they will try to cover it up and deny, deny, deny.

Judy
 

Be Well

may all be well
Some reports hint our ambassador to Libya was raped and tortured before his death, citing evidence from photos in middle eastern press (belt unbuckled, pants pulled down, brusing on stomach area). If this turns out to be true, what difference will it make in the US response to the murder? Would you feel differently if you heard he'd been tortured, rather than just dying of smoke inhalation? Would/Should US policy change if this is the case?

It's a hypothetical question at the moment. But as the investigation continues, who knows what will come out.

Whether he was killed right away or tortured and sodomized (which appear to be factual), this should happen:

Boimb the city until there is nothing left of it. Remove all US personnel from Libya first.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
it might not matter to some, but I can tell you who it absolutely does matter to

AMBASSADORS

Ambassadors from every country on the planet
There are 242 countries - each country has 241 foreign ambassador
that's like 60,000 ambassadors

-HI honey, I'm home - I got a new assignment
-I gonna be Ambassador to Somalia
-What do you mean where do you send the divorce papers?

The word is out now that if you go to Libya you get sodomized and killed - how ya gonna get volunteers for that shit?
 

maric

Short but deadly
How would I handle this?

1. Remove ALL Americans, including military

2. Turn the place into a glass parking lot.

No more need for any ambassadors there again, EVER.
 

TheDoberman

Veteran Member
Whether he was killed right away or tortured and sodomized (which appear to be factual), this should happen:

Boimb the city until there is nothing left of it. Remove all US personnel from Libya first.

Yes!!! Bomb the freaking city. This is seriously some bull crap, our embassies are sovereign. You breach It's walls and you commit war against us. Time to stop playing nice. O bam is such a freaking pussy.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Americans are patient and kinda hard to get riled up as a general rule.

When the goat-shaggers decide to try something on our soil again, the response is going to be swift and savage...There is more bottled up pisstivity here than their inbred little brains can fathom.

The .gov and that muslim faggot in whitehouse will be powerless to stop the retribution that is going to fall on the evil bastards.

ETA: What happens will be something they understand and respect...pure anger and unchecked force.
 
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Vegas321

Live free and survive
For starters, lets stop putting the Muslim brotherhood in charge of country's we take the lead in overthrowing. Second, stop giving these country's any financial aid or any kind of aid. Third, pull out our diplomats from all these hell hole country's.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
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Why isnt this in the news?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???/
More on the story

The Benghazi, Libya Consulate (with no Marine contingent or reinforced building protection) is warned on Sept. 4th that a mob protest will be held on Sept. 11th at its location. No additional Marine personnel are moved to the location from Tripoli. However, for reasons unknown, the Ambassador is on-site with 1 USAF Communications Specialist, 2 lightly armed Marines, and an undetermined number of Libyan security personnel.
The mob protest was actually a cover for a well-planned and organized assassination attempt by a team of 15-20 AQL (Al Qaeda Libya) fighters who were there to kill the Amb. in revenge for our killing an Al Qaeda leader in June.
At 10PM, AQL opened fire and attacked in two waves. A running gunfight ensues and it lasts until 2:30AM. For reasons not explained, no attempt is made to reinforce the Marines during this 4.5 hour battle. For me, that seems like mis-reporting because it does not make any sense.
The fight began when a volley of RPG is fired at the Consulate from the crowd and either those rounds set fire to the building, or the building is set on fire. After the volley, one team of AQL moves to breach the Consulate, but comes into contact with Libyan security and is supposedly repelled. During the fight, the Amb. becomes separated in the dense smoke and dies of smoke inhalation, however, for some reason the post-mortem report confirms that the Amb. was sodomized shortly before his death.
The USAF Coms. spec., and 2 Marines move to a Consulate car to link up for extraction at the safe house, but come under close small arms fire. The 2 Marines are killed on site after volunteering to form a rear guard to protect the car in its escape. The remaining USAF Coms. Spec. attempts to drive away, but is ambushed by a blocking AQL force that was waiting for him and was assuming that the Amb. was in the car.
It is also being learned now that during the engagement, the al Queda assassination squad received real time intelligence on the Ambassador's vehicle, convoy and route, the safe house location and when the Ambassador arrived, the relief force, their timing, route and rendezvous destination. .
As this is happening a 6-man ex-fil team from Tripoli is helicoptered to the safe house. Upon landing they take heavy weapons fire from a neighboring farm house.
A Marine(?) sniper moves to the roof, but is hit by an RPG round and falls to the street. One soldier is killed on the ground after landing. (That makes 6 casualties. The media refers to only 4.)

As this fight is on-going at the safe house, Libyan security forces are arranging several unarmed pick-up trucks to get the Consulate staff from the safe house to the airport, but the on-site commanding Libyan officer was told that there would be only 10 people. There were close to 37. At some point the safe house catches fire.
In the confusion, more trucks are gathered up from what has been referred to as "friendly Libyan forces" and all of the remaining staff, Marines, and the casualties are moved to the airport. One report noted 15-17 casualties at the safe house (+2 KIA), but I do not know where that came from.
Somewhere in all of this some friendly Libyans take the dead Ambassador to the hospital, but first parade his dead body around.
There has been no mention of the names (or where the bodies are) of the 2 Marines and the USAF Coms. Spec. killed at the Consulate.
It has been reported, but not confirmed, that Obama was informed that the Consulate was being attacked and he then went to sleep. He does not appear to ask about the outcome until the next morning which left him unprepared to make a statement. Romney beat him to that statement and condemned Obama.
The Media at Romney's press conference realized how badly Obama had messed up and co-ordinated their questions to put Romney in a bad light and put their story on him and not on the actual story. Obama makes a statement in the afternoon and then flies to Las Vegas for a fund raiser.
Also, on Sept. 11th, the Egyptian Embassy was breached by a mob and no effort was made by the Marines on duty to stop or remove them from the Embassy walls. As it turns out, the Marines at the Egyptian Embassy are not permitted to carry live ammo. Oops.
"U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their ability to respond to attacks like those this week on the U.S. consulate in Cairo. Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson "did not permit U.S. Marine guards to carry live ammunition," according to multiple reports on U.S. Marine Corps blogs. "She neutralized any U.S. military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy." If true, the reports indicate that Patterson shirked her obligation to protect U.S.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
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Why isnt this in the news?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???/
More on the story

The Benghazi, Libya Consulate (with no Marine contingent or reinforced building protection) is warned on Sept. 4th that a mob protest will be held on Sept. 11th at its location. No additional Marine personnel are moved to the location from Tripoli. However, for reasons unknown, the Ambassador is on-site with 1 USAF Communications Specialist, 2 lightly armed Marines, and an undetermined number of Libyan security personnel.
The mob protest was actually a cover for a well-planned and organized assassination attempt by a team of 15-20 AQL (Al Qaeda Libya) fighters who were there to kill the Amb. in revenge for our killing an Al Qaeda leader in June.
At 10PM, AQL opened fire and attacked in two waves. A running gunfight ensues and it lasts until 2:30AM. For reasons not explained, no attempt is made to reinforce the Marines during this 4.5 hour battle. For me, that seems like mis-reporting because it does not make any sense.
The fight began when a volley of RPG is fired at the Consulate from the crowd and either those rounds set fire to the building, or the building is set on fire. After the volley, one team of AQL moves to breach the Consulate, but comes into contact with Libyan security and is supposedly repelled. During the fight, the Amb. becomes separated in the dense smoke and dies of smoke inhalation, however, for some reason the post-mortem report confirms that the Amb. was sodomized shortly before his death.
The USAF Coms. spec., and 2 Marines move to a Consulate car to link up for extraction at the safe house, but come under close small arms fire. The 2 Marines are killed on site after volunteering to form a rear guard to protect the car in its escape. The remaining USAF Coms. Spec. attempts to drive away, but is ambushed by a blocking AQL force that was waiting for him and was assuming that the Amb. was in the car.
It is also being learned now that during the engagement, the al Queda assassination squad received real time intelligence on the Ambassador's vehicle, convoy and route, the safe house location and when the Ambassador arrived, the relief force, their timing, route and rendezvous destination. .
As this is happening a 6-man ex-fil team from Tripoli is helicoptered to the safe house. Upon landing they take heavy weapons fire from a neighboring farm house.
A Marine(?) sniper moves to the roof, but is hit by an RPG round and falls to the street. One soldier is killed on the ground after landing. (That makes 6 casualties. The media refers to only 4.)

As this fight is on-going at the safe house, Libyan security forces are arranging several unarmed pick-up trucks to get the Consulate staff from the safe house to the airport, but the on-site commanding Libyan officer was told that there would be only 10 people. There were close to 37. At some point the safe house catches fire.
In the confusion, more trucks are gathered up from what has been referred to as "friendly Libyan forces" and all of the remaining staff, Marines, and the casualties are moved to the airport. One report noted 15-17 casualties at the safe house (+2 KIA), but I do not know where that came from.
Somewhere in all of this some friendly Libyans take the dead Ambassador to the hospital, but first parade his dead body around.
There has been no mention of the names (or where the bodies are) of the 2 Marines and the USAF Coms. Spec. killed at the Consulate.
It has been reported, but not confirmed, that Obama was informed that the Consulate was being attacked and he then went to sleep. He does not appear to ask about the outcome until the next morning which left him unprepared to make a statement. Romney beat him to that statement and condemned Obama.
The Media at Romney's press conference realized how badly Obama had messed up and co-ordinated their questions to put Romney in a bad light and put their story on him and not on the actual story. Obama makes a statement in the afternoon and then flies to Las Vegas for a fund raiser.
Also, on Sept. 11th, the Egyptian Embassy was breached by a mob and no effort was made by the Marines on duty to stop or remove them from the Embassy walls. As it turns out, the Marines at the Egyptian Embassy are not permitted to carry live ammo. Oops.
"U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their ability to respond to attacks like those this week on the U.S. consulate in Cairo. Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson "did not permit U.S. Marine guards to carry live ammunition," according to multiple reports on U.S. Marine Corps blogs. "She neutralized any U.S. military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy." If true, the reports indicate that Patterson shirked her obligation to protect U.S.

that is really good work
thank you
 

Bps1691

Veteran Member
How would I handle this?

1. Remove ALL Americans, including military

2. Turn the place into a glass parking lot.

No more need for any ambassadors there again, EVER.
Amen

If you go to war ... go to all out nothing bared war

Otherwise your just playing and you might as well stay home and hide.
 

Grantbo

Inactive
To the dirty liberals this is the result of how the US has treated the world in the past. They'll apologise, like they always do.
 

BadMedicine

Would *I* Lie???
yes! extra thanks to whoever put this all together! great read! thanks a ton!!
:usfl::usfl::usfl:

Looks like obama and the us totally shirked their roles. *IF I was..." an armed services member would not pull an overseas tour unarmed!! Dont trust me? let me go home. In F*ing egypt and iraq unarmed? "Guards"?? In shiny uniforms?!? That is F*ing treason!!

** Edited to NOT sound like I'm implying I'm a member of the armed services. Though I greatly respect them and defend them, I have never served.
 

Vicki

Girls With Guns Member
I don't think they let this happen. I think they created it.
 
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momof23goats

Deceased
Whether he was killed right away or tortured and sodomized (which appear to be factual), this should happen:

Boimb the city until there is nothing left of it. Remove all US personnel from Libya first.
EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS. if THESE other countries try this, do the same thing, get our people out, and bomb the heck out of them. drop our biggest bombs on these cities, they will learn not to do this to AMERICANS.
ALL O. WILL DO IS COME OUT WITH ANOTHER ROUND OF I AM SORRYS, HE AND HILLARY, MADE ME SICK TODAY. BOMB THE CRAP OUT OF THESE PEOPLE, BUT DROP PIGS ON THEM FIRST, THEN THE BOMBS.
 

Bolt

FJB
For starters, lets stop putting the Muslim brotherhood in charge of country's we take the lead in overthrowing. Second, stop giving these country's any financial aid or any kind of aid. Third, pull out our diplomats from all these hell hole country's.

Too late for the first item. Second and third should happen first thing tomorrow morning, since Obama didn't have the balls to do it today. I'm not holding my breath though. Maybe one day we will have a leader who will stand up for the citizens of the country that he "leads". Not holding my breath for that to happen any time soon either.
 

NC Susan

Deceased
U.S. Embassy Libya has a facebook page. with bing translation software. If we had read this 2 months ago, we would have seen this coming per comments.


here is a small sample of some comments comparing Obama to Romney ->

Aliali Ali انشاء الله يخصر الشفشه اوباماGod present Obama alshvshh (Translated by Bing)
30 August at 14:38 · Like

Mansour Elborky كُنتُ أظنٌ أعنيِ لكِ شيئـاً. وًلـأكنْ إنْ بعـضَ الظنِ اثـمْYou think I mean you something. And I think that some of the impact of(Translated by Bing)
30 August at 15:23 · Like
حسن زيدان i hope that future american presidents watch out for this medial east region. revolution espiceality
30 August at 16:43 · Like · 1
البتار الدرناوي سيأتي يوم تدك فيه اسوار امريكا وتحرق بنار المجاهدينThe day will come when the walls of the bereaved and American fire burning with Mujahideen(Translated by Bing)

30 August at 17:01 · Like · 1
Noah Benzair لاكن أمريكا ساعدة الشعب الليبي الحرLaeken free Libyan people helped America(Translated by Bing)

30 August at 17:07 · Like
عبادي وحيد I select master Obama for one why because he is muslem and he cares for Islam and people muslem

30 August at 17:17 · Like
مولود الانصاري ايا يكن منهم فلابد ان يقسم للولاء لاسرائيل والعداء للعرب فليس هناك فائدة ترجي من اي منهم ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟Whatever of them must swear loyalty to Israel and hostility to the Arabs, no merit of any of them????????(Translated by Bing)
30 August at 17:34 · Like

Mohammad Alkhalidy i`m with obama
 

Giskard

Only human
Look, Obama already said in Audacity of Hope (page 260 or so?) that he would come down on the side of Muslims. There ya go. He'll do nothing. Or, he will erect a straw man and knock it down. Nothing substantive.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Too late for the first item. Second and third should happen first thing tomorrow morning, since Obama didn't have the balls to do it today. I'm not holding my breath though. Maybe one day we will have a leader who will stand up for the citizens of the country that he "leads". Not holding my breath for that to happen any time soon either.


I wish people would stop thinking that 0bastard is chicken, or clueless, or incompetent. He's doing exactly what he and his handlers planned for him to do. He's destroying the United States of America ON PURPOSE! DELIBERATELY! He's a muzzie, he favors muzzies, and communists, and he HATES America, white people, Christianity, morality and everything good! It's simple.

Please, no more of this "incompetence" or "clueless". It's not accidental, it's very, very deliberate.

Pf course, just because he and his handlers are Evil doesn't mean they're Geniuses, either.
 

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
If Stevens were sodomized, then it was more than likely in retaliation for the way Gaddafi was killed. He was sodomized with a plunger handle, and then tortured with broken bottles shoves up his rectum. Hillary Clinton laughed when she hard of his demise.

The whole event could be labeled payback or blowback.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/...111024/gaddafi-sodomized-video-gaddafi-sodomy

Here's the video of Gaddafi being tortured.

Let's be fare here folks. We are falling off a slippery slope here.


and of course there is the theft of 100 tons of gold

http://nesaraaustralia.com/2012/08/26/libyas-gold-reserves-of-100-tons-have-been-stolen-by-bankers/


Libya’s Gold Reserves of 100+ Tons Have Been Stolen by Bankers

Posted by Bill Rummel
As stated repeatedly, there are only three methods by which a government’s central bank (all, but a handful now in private banking cartels) can get custody of gold:

ose alternatives which one are you going with?

Was the Libyan’s people’s gold being held in ‘safe custody’ with the US Fed, too? “So sollie my Libyan friends, you’re broke now.” Bye-bye.

Could some of the gold be backing Al Qaeda? Afterall, there is this report: Libyan Convoy with gold, cash crossed to Niger. With AFRICOM now solidly entrenched in Nigeria that satrapy can be safely relied upon to do the wishes of the NWO.

And, as the report originated from the “National Transitional Council” (NTC), a reasonable person must conclude Libya’s gold was stolen and now in the hands of international bankers – most likely the US Fed or UK.
 
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doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
It's really simplistic, when those of us blame the muzzies for what happened in Libya. Do some research and find out what really happened, and who died (and how many died). Do the research and find out who armed the Al Qaeda thugs who pillaged and raped their way across the country, in the name of the NWO.

If that can't be done, then let us live our lives in ignorance........

Intelligent discussions present facts. If the Muzzies are evil(which is what is being said), then there are an equal number of evil JEWS, Christians, Evangelicals and Atheists.

If our solution is to nuke Mecca, will their solution be to nuke one of our big cities. Remember the Pakis have over 100 nukes.

At least let's be truthful about the narrative. Without that, we will be lost forever.
 

Foothiller

Veteran Member
I'm with you Doc.

But the propaganda and the muslim hate are much more delicious.

The idea that killing large numbers of innocent civilians is ok shows how deluded and psychopathic we've become as a nation.

Cut off the arms sales, cut off the foreign aid, pull diplomats, and let the ME rot.

They don't like us and we don;t like them. But why so many in this country feel it is our 'duty' to spread democracy (neocon and Israel firsters) to a bunch of superstitious backward countries is insane.

There is nothing in the Constitution that says we must convert others to our ways.

And yet, our media plys us with stories of the horrible massacres in Syria and molds American public sentiment into 'we should intervene'.

We intervened in Libya and what did that buy us? WE're intervening in Yemen with drone strikes, and what is that buying us?

Certainly not love and respect from those countries and peoples we've helped 'liberate'.

Liberating Libya consisted of eliminating Khadaffi, and installing a central bank.

And backing the MB.

Our foreign policy is completely insane and these incidents are just showing us what happens when you piss off enough people.

Nuking any city would result in the nuking of American cities, which would then escalate.

I'm sorry, but I think many of my countrymen have swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker, and in their minds have made the Muslims into sub-humans, or untermenschen more accurately.

The biggest threat to us, our freedom, our liberty and our Constitution does not reside in a mosque. It resides in several large white buildings in the District of Columbia and all these false flag attacks are designed to shift focus away from that fact and toward these backward people who "hate us for our freedom and want to kill us all".

It's a game as old as civilization itself. It's depressing that so many otherwise intelligent and Christian people can be turned to bloodlust so easily.

Regarding Muslims invading America: in the words of Clint Eastwood "Go ahead, make my day". Because I and many others like me will resist any foreign invader.

I'm not afraid of Muslim invasion or terrorists.

What I fear is my own government and their deluded, propaganda soaked supporters, who in one breath condemn the government as they should, then in the next, when provided with some juicy propaganda, go apeshit and start cheer leading this obviously criminal org.

Anybody notice what happened at about 12:30 pm EST yesterday, specifically to the price of commodities and stocks, when Benedict Bernanke announced he'd be printing $40 Billion per month?

I guess all the blood lust and foreign enemies/distractions is doing what it is intended to do, and that is distracting Americans form the real enemy.

:dstrs:
 

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
I'm with you Doc.

But the propaganda and the muslim hate are much more delicious.

The idea that killing large numbers of innocent civilians is ok shows how deluded and psychopathic we've become as a nation.

Cut off the arms sales, cut off the foreign aid, pull diplomats, and let the ME rot.

They don't like us and we don;t like them. But why so many in this country feel it is our 'duty' to spread democracy (neocon and Israel firsters) to a bunch of superstitious backward countries is insane.

There is nothing in the Constitution that says we must convert others to our ways.

And yet, our media plys us with stories of the horrible massacres in Syria and molds American public sentiment into 'we should intervene'.

We intervened in Libya and what did that buy us? WE're intervening in Yemen with drone strikes, and what is that buying us?

Certainly not love and respect from those countries and peoples we've helped 'liberate'.

Liberating Libya consisted of eliminating Khadaffi, and installing a central bank.

And backing the MB.

Our foreign policy is completely insane and these incidents are just showing us what happens when you piss off enough people.

Nuking any city would result in the nuking of American cities, which would then escalate.

I'm sorry, but I think many of my countrymen have swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker, and in their minds have made the Muslims into sub-humans, or untermenschen more accurately.

The biggest threat to us, our freedom, our liberty and our Constitution does not reside in a mosque. It resides in several large white buildings in the District of Columbia and all these false flag attacks are designed to shift focus away from that fact and toward these backward people who "hate us for our freedom and want to kill us all".

It's a game as old as civilization itself. It's depressing that so many otherwise intelligent and Christian people can be turned to bloodlust so easily.

Regarding Muslims invading America: in the words of Clint Eastwood "Go ahead, make my day". Because I and many others like me will resist any foreign invader.

I'm not afraid of Muslim invasion or terrorists.

What I fear is my own government and their deluded, propaganda soaked supporters, who in one breath condemn the government as they should, then in the next, when provided with some juicy propaganda, go apeshit and start cheer leading this obviously criminal org.

Anybody notice what happened at about 12:30 pm EST yesterday, specifically to the price of commodities and stocks, when Benedict Bernanke announced he'd be printing $40 Billion per month?

I guess all the blood lust and foreign enemies/distractions is doing what it is intended to do, and that is distracting Americans form the real enemy.

:dstrs:

+1000 on all scores my friend.

The QE3 fiasco was predicted by myself and many others weeks ago. The rise in Pm's was an outcome of the FED printing...printing ...printing....yet, I see little outrage about this on the boards that I frequent. I will again predict right here and now, $5.00 per gallon gasoline, and a huge depreciation of the U.S. dollar(this will happen over the coming year into 2013 in my opinion) As for inflation? You ain't seen nothing yet.

As far as the Muslims invading, I don't really think that will happen.......if there are 'events' however, coming from nuke ready Muslim countries, I do count that within the realm of possibility. I've posted in the past info entitled,
American Hiroshima. That scenario is definitely possible.

When the American public finally figures out who's pulling the strings, and feeding them the pablum of disinformation, it more than likely will be too late.

http://www.secretsofsurvival.com/survival/american_hiroshima.html

You may want to click on the link and read the American Hiroshima scenario. Remember, if this event ever happens, it may not be the Muslims that do it.....it could come from a number of our enemies, including Russia and China. The word is that when the soviet union broke up, the Ukraine had a fire sale on nukes. Remember, whatever we can do to them, they can do to us. It's called, in military terms, tit for tat.
 
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Kent

Inactive
Americans are patient and kinda hard to get riled up as a general rule.

When the goat-shaggers decide to try something on our soil again, the response is going to be swift and savage...There is more bottled up pisstivity here than their inbred little brains can fathom.

The .gov and that muslim faggot in whitehouse will be powerless to stop the retribution that is going to fall on the evil bastards.

ETA: What happens will be something they understand and respect...pure anger and unchecked force.

That is a dream as long as Obama is POTUS.
 

Gercarson

Veteran Member
I wish people would stop thinking that 0bastard is chicken, or clueless, or incompetent. He's doing exactly what he and his handlers planned for him to do. He's destroying the United States of America ON PURPOSE! DELIBERATELY! He's a muzzie, he favors muzzies, and communists, and he HATES America, white people, Christianity, morality and everything good! It's simple.

Please, no more of this "incompetence" or "clueless". It's not accidental, it's very, very deliberate.

Pf course, just because he and his handlers are Evil doesn't mean they're Geniuses, either.

EXACTLY!
Now sit back and wait because the term "Islamaphob" will be the mantra of the administration.
 

medic38572

TB Fanatic
I'm with you Doc.

But the propaganda and the muslim hate are much more delicious.

The idea that killing large numbers of innocent civilians is ok shows how deluded and psychopathic we've become as a nation.

Cut off the arms sales, cut off the foreign aid, pull diplomats, and let the ME rot.

They don't like us and we don;t like them. But why so many in this country feel it is our 'duty' to spread democracy (neocon and Israel firsters) to a bunch of superstitious backward countries is insane.

There is nothing in the Constitution that says we must convert others to our ways.

And yet, our media plys us with stories of the horrible massacres in Syria and molds American public sentiment into 'we should intervene'.

We intervened in Libya and what did that buy us? WE're intervening in Yemen with drone strikes, and what is that buying us?

Certainly not love and respect from those countries and peoples we've helped 'liberate'.

Liberating Libya consisted of eliminating Khadaffi, and installing a central bank.

And backing the MB.

Our foreign policy is completely insane and these incidents are just showing us what happens when you piss off enough people.

Nuking any city would result in the nuking of American cities, which would then escalate.

I'm sorry, but I think many of my countrymen have swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker, and in their minds have made the Muslims into sub-humans, or untermenschen more accurately.

The biggest threat to us, our freedom, our liberty and our Constitution does not reside in a mosque. It resides in several large white buildings in the District of Columbia and all these false flag attacks are designed to shift focus away from that fact and toward these backward people who "hate us for our freedom and want to kill us all".

It's a game as old as civilization itself. It's depressing that so many otherwise intelligent and Christian people can be turned to bloodlust so easily.

Regarding Muslims invading America: in the words of Clint Eastwood "Go ahead, make my day". Because I and many others like me will resist any foreign invader.

I'm not afraid of Muslim invasion or terrorists.

What I fear is my own government and their deluded, propaganda soaked supporters, who in one breath condemn the government as they should, then in the next, when provided with some juicy propaganda, go apeshit and start cheer leading this obviously criminal org.

Anybody notice what happened at about 12:30 pm EST yesterday, specifically to the price of commodities and stocks, when Benedict Bernanke announced he'd be printing $40 Billion per month?

I guess all the blood lust and foreign enemies/distractions is doing what it is intended to do, and that is distracting Americans form the real enemy.

:dstrs:

Excellent post Foothiller, we are our own worst enemy!!!
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Just for accuracy, the 2 Marines referred to in the OP are, I believe, DoSS Contractors who are ex-SEALs...
Poster on another board suggested they were part of a QRF sent to the consulate (with the Amb??).
The reports are that they were working on returning fire and evac'ing people to the annex. When they went back for the Amb they lost contact with him in the smoke...

And the pics I've seen of the Amb are consistent with a hasty evac from fire...

ed2ad:

NONE of the time lines I have seen leave enough time for "tortured and sodomized for hours" to have happened. PLUS all of the pics of the Amb I have seen are consistent with smoke inhalation as a COD, and not a lot of other trauma...I haven't seen pics suggestive of torture.

Nw, be that as it may, there needs to be an energetic response from TOTUS.
DOn't worry, I won't be holding my breath. Post Turtles don't respond to nuthin. Dang I wish we could find a Honey Badger for Pres...
 
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