GOV/MIL Fast&Furious: Whose Conspiracy Theory Is The REAL Conspiracy Theory?

Dozdoats

Deceased
Lots of links in this one that need to be followed, so look at it at the original site...

Once again - anyone here remember something called Iran/Contra??
=================================================

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articl...nspiracy?print=yes&hidecomments=yes&page=full

The Fast and the Ridiculous
The conspiracy theories over the controversial ATF gun-tracking program are flying, and not just in GOP chambers. In Mexico, it's taken as fact that the United States is backing the drug cartels.
BY JAMES VERINI | JUNE 27, 2012

The majority members of the U.S. House Oversight Committee have been granted their fondest wish -- their investigation into Operation Fast and Furious has caused the biggest proto-scandal in Washington, thanks to Attorney General Eric Holder's refusal to hand over documents and a House panel's vote last week to recommend the chamber cite him with contempt. No longer the private obsession of the right-wing media, Fast and Furious is on front pages and leading news broadcasts around the United States.

At issue now are two questions. First, what was the exact intent and oversight of the operation, run out of the Phoenix office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)? The agency says it was meant to track illicit guns going over the border into Mexico, as part of an effort to build cases against major smugglers. Where cross-border gunrunning is concerned, ATF is usually confined to interdicting low-level purchasers, thanks to crippling investigative limits put on it by Congress.

Fast and Furious evolved out of a larger initiative, Project Gunrunner, an ambitious plan to extend the ATF's investigative reach into Mexico and put the agency on more equal footing with the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), which leads the war on drugs and has informants embedded deep in the cartels. The controversial tactic of allowing guns to "walk" in order to see where they go, the central issue in the investigation, began late in George W. Bush's administration and was carried over into President Barack Obama's term. Between 2009 and 2011, the ATF lost track of thousands of guns, according to certain agents. Some reached criminal gangs in Mexico (which was the point), including two that were found at the scene of a 2010 shootout where Brian Terry, a U.S. Border Patrol agent, was killed. Others have appeared at crime scenes around Mexico.

The second question, which has pushed the ATF into the background, is what the attorney general is refusing to show the House Oversight Committee. While Holder has turned over 7,600 documents, as he never fails to remind the committee, he won't release memos and emails that committee members believe detail Justice Department debates about how to handle the Fast and Furious fallout. Committee Chairman Darrell Issa and other congressional Republicans make it no secret that they think Holder is running a coverup. They were more coy about suspicions that Obama is privy to it, but his decision last week to exert executive privilege on Holder's behalf has put an end to that.

Longtime critics of the ATF, from a libertarian banker I recently dined with to National Rifle Association director Wayne LaPierre, claim to believe the corruption runs much deeper. They say Fast and Furious proves the agency has been funneling guns to Mexican criminal organizations. Why the ATF would be doing this -- and making official policy of it -- is never part of the argument. Nonetheless, it's a short leap from that rock over the stream of reason and onto the one where Obama is actively working with Mexican cartels -- a belief that many Americans hold (just Google it).

While that sounds preposterous to most of us, including (one assumes) to most critics of the president, there is a place where the levelheaded believe what the anti-government fringe in the United States believes, and where Fast and Furious is a constant topic of conversation -- Mexico. Issa's investigation is a mainstay of news coverage there. Go on the comment boards of Mexican newspapers such as La Prensa or magazines such as Proceso, and you'll find that readers mention Fast and Furious, in conspiratorial tones, at every chance.

This spring, I was in Culiacán, home to the Sinaloa cartel and some of the worst recent violence in Mexico. Beginning in 2007, just as Project Gunrunner was getting started, the cartel's leader, Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán Loera, was challenged for supremacy by a gang from the east, Los Zetas, and by the Beltrán-Leyvas, a quartet of murderous brothers who had once worked for Chapo. Gun battles broke out in the plazas and streets of Culiacán on a daily basis. Heads rolled, literally, a lot of them.
When I was there, the situation had stabilized somewhat -- the Beltrán-Leyvas had been mostly defeated, and the Zetas had been pushed to Sinaloa's smaller cities -- but it was still, by any sane standards, insane. On my second night in town, 12 bodies belonging to an amateurish crew of pistoleros were found around town. Later, a police captain and his brother were gunned down a few blocks from the central square.

I spent a week with the editors of Ríodoce, a Culiacán weekly that may be the best newspaper in Mexico right now. Certainly, it's among the bravest. While most news organizations have backed away from covering drug-trafficking and government corruption because so many journalists have been killed, Ríodoce goes after those stories with relish. It has made a favorite subject of Chapo. It would prefer to focus on politicians on the take, editor Ismael Bojórquez told me, but readers get disappointed when they don't see everyone's favorite bandito on the cover.

Bojórquez is as sapient as they come, and no conspiracy-theorizing pundit. His sources in government and the criminal underworld are extensive. He is also very prudent, a necessity when as many people want you dead as want him dead. Yet he takes it as a given that the ATF intentionally supplies the Sinaloa cartel with guns. U.S. agencies have long been in bed with the Sinaloans, he explained to me, and this scheme to move massive numbers of weapons into the country is more of the same. He noted that it coincides directly with the cartel wars of the late 2000s. Project Gunrunner and later Fast and Furious were, Bojórquez is sure, a way for America to arm Chapo, with whom it's in business. To him, this connection is as clear as day.

Bojórquez is not alone -- most Mexican journalists I speak with, and many average Mexicans, take Washington's collusion with the Sinaloa cartel for granted.

This interpretation of events owes partly to Chapo's reputation. A folk hero of mythic proportions, the man's very name has incantatory powers in Mexico. When it's uttered around Culiacán, it's usually in a whisper. Or people refer merely to "Him." Everyone knows who is meant. Mexicans tend to have very little faith in their government's abilities, aside from its ability to be corrupted -- and Chapo's competence in this regard is so obvious as to not need mentioning. Many Mexicans assume he essentially runs the country, and it's easy to see why. Since President Felipe Calderón took office in 2007, a steady procession of high-raking government, military, and police officials has been revealed to be working for Chapo or his deputy, Ismael "El Mayo" Zambada.

The interpretation owes partly to a contempt for and fear of American power and arrogance that go back to the 19th century. An editorial in La Prensa last year cast Fast and Furious as the latest attempt at Manifest Destiny. The reasoning may have been off, but the sentiment was understandable: Americans do, after all, smoke, snort, swallow, and shoot up the great majority of drugs produced or moved through Mexico, and Americans export almost all the guns used in the murders there, with or without the help of the ATF.

Then there's the long collusion between the U.S. government and drug-trafficking organizations, as Mexican students of history are quick to point out. Aside from the CIA's machinations in neighboring Central America, they refer to the U.S. Army's reliance on Sinaloan poppy-growers during World War II to keep up morphine supplies. More recently, the New York Times detailed the DEA's program for laundering and moving money for Mexican traffickers in order to trace where it goes (like Fast and Furious, but with bills, not guns). In a case going on in Chicago, El Mayo's son, Jesús Zambada Niebla, who was extradited to the United States in 2010, has claimed that he is immune to prosecution because he was working with the DEA. Court documents show that he did in fact take a meeting with agents, who claim no agreement was reached. The documents also show that, for years, the DEA has relied on a Mexican lawyer high up in Chapo's organization for information. And last year, Mexico's former attorney general, Eduardo Medina-Mora, who left office under a cloud of suspicion and who is assumed by many to have been in Chapo's pocket, admitted he knew about Fast and Furious.

Revelations like these, combined with the failure of the Mexican government to capture Chapo and El Mayo, lead people like Bojórquez to the same conclusion: The Sinaloa cartel cut a deal with Calderón when he came into office, whereby it would help Mexico City go after other cartels, such as the Zetas, in exchange for some amount of immunity. Calderón could only have done this, the argument goes, with high-level approval from Washington -- and Fast and Furious, a way to help Chapo, is evidence of that devil's bargain. (When one points out that many members of the Sinaloa cartel, including some alleged favorites of Chapo, have been captured recently, a common answer is that Chapo simply gave them up like pawns. His mastery knows no limits.)

The holes in this line of reasoning are numerous, but there's history behind it. As former DEA chief Robert Bonner wrote in Foreign Affairs recently, this resembles the approach his agency took against Colombia's Medellín cartel in the 1990s. And Bonner recommends it for Mexico.

Whatever the ATF's arrangements, one thing that is clear is that it handled Fast and Furious incompetently. And as anyone who has reported from Mexico knows, the line between incompetence and corruption is often too thin to discern. Indeed, when it comes to death -- by Mexico's own conservative tally, there have been close to 50,000 killings related to criminal organizations and drug-trafficking since Calderón took office -- the line is tragically irrelevant.

It's not only the Mexican media that is convinced of the ATF's corruption. The country's Senate has agreed to back the extradition of U.S. officials involved in Fast and Furious (a symbolic gesture, but telling), and lawyers are preparing class action lawsuits against the United States on behalf of the families of people killed with guns smuggled south across the border.

In the meantime, U.S. Rep. Issa has become something of a hero in Mexico, though the irony of this is lost on most Mexicans -- he was a supporter of California's Proposition 187, which attempted to deny noncitizens basic government services. Since the 1990s, Issa has opposed comprehensive immigration reform and joined the Immigration Reform Caucus, a hard-line enforcement group founded by nativist barnstormer Tom Tancredo. And -- Holder might mention this the next time he goes before the chairman -- Issa was once arrested for illegal gun possession.

It seems unlikely that Issa will get the documents he wants from the Justice Department before the November elections, even with his impressive network of leakers. If he does get them and they suggest an effort on Holder's part to obstruct the investigation, the consequences for Obama could be serious (though not Watergate-serious, no matter how desperately conservative commentators push that analogy). Confirmation of Zambada-Niebla's claims could be nettlesome, too, were anybody paying attention to that case and cared to make hay of it.

Mexico's upcoming July 1 presidential election offers an ironic comparison. Voters there are all but certain to elect Enrique Peña Nieto, the candidate of PRI, the political party that ran the country for most of the 20th century and whose coziness with criminal organizations is proverbial. Many Mexicans want PRI back in power not despite that reputation, but because of it. They are sick of the violence that has come with Calderón's efforts against the cartels and want peace, and if that means negotiating with the cartels, Sinaloa included, and allowing them to smuggle drugs to the United States, they say, so be it -- as long as the killing abates.
 

Dozdoats

Deceased
http://www.businessinsider.com/fast-and-furious-guns-sinaloa-cartel-2012-8#ixzz23BGvD5PS

High Ranking Cartel Member Says Operation Fast And Furious Was Meant To Supply Guns To The Sinaloa Cartel
Michael Kelley | Aug. 10, 2012, 1:21 PM | 5,896 | 16

A high-ranking member of the Sinaloa drug cartel operative currently in U.S. custody alleges that Operation Fast and Furious was part of an agreement to finance and arm the Sinaloa cartel in exchange for information used to take down rival cartels, according to court documents.

The statement was made by Jesus Vicente Zambada-Niebla, the Sinaloa cartel’s “logistics coordinator” in charge of arranging massive drug shipments from Latin America to the United States as well as the son of cartel leader Ismael “Mayo” Zambada-Garcia and a close associate to kingpin Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman.

Zambada-Niebla was arrested by Mexican authorities in March 2009 and extradited to Chicago to face drug trafficking charges.

From the court document:

[T]he United States government at its highest levels entered into agreements with cartel leaders to act as informants against rival cartels and received benefits in return, including, but not limited to, access to thousands of weapons which helped them continue their business of smuggling drugs into Chicago and throughout the United States, and to continue wreaking havoc on the citizens and law enforcement in Mexico.

Zambada-Niebla believes that he, like the leadership of the Sinaloa cartel, was "immune from arrest or prosecution" because he also actively provided information to U.S. federal agents.

In its official response to the discovery motion, the government stated that there are “classified materials” regarding the case but argued they “do not support the defendant’s claim that he was promised immunity or public authority for his actions.”

Zambada-Niebla's lawyer is seeking government "documents, files, recordings, notes, and additional forms of evidence" that would support claims that federal agents personally assured Zambada-Niebla that "he would not be arrested, that the agents knew of his prior cooperation... that they just wanted to continue receiving information... [and] that the arrangements with him had been approved at the highest levels of the United States government."

Zambada-Niebla was allegedly arrested five hours after he met with the federal agents.

Jason Howerton of the Blaze reports that the documents detailing the relationship between the federal government and the Sinaloa Cartel "have still not been released or subjected to review — citing matters of national security."

The motion for discovery claims the agreement between the U.S. government and the Sinoloa cartel began sometime before 2004 and lasted at least until March 2009 as part of America's "Divide and Conquer" strategy against other cartels, in which the U.S. would use "one drug organization to help against others."
From the court document:

Under that agreement, the Sinaloa Cartel under the leadership of defendant’s father, Ismael Zambada-Niebla and “Chapo” Guzman, were given carte blanche to continue to smuggle tons of illicit drugs into Chicago and the rest of the United States and were also protected by the United States government from arrest and prosecution in return for providing information against rival cartels which helped Mexican and United States authorities capture or kill thousands of rival cartel members.

Zambada-Niebla's trial is scheduled to begin on October 9.

Howerton notes that while experts have doubted that Zambada-Niebla had an official agreement with the U.S. government, the defense wants to put the agents on the stand, under oath, to testify about the Sinaloa-U.S. relationship.

SEE ALSO: Mexican Official Accuses CIA Of 'Managing' Not 'Fighting' The Drug Trade >
 

Dozdoats

Deceased
http://www.examiner.com/article/rep...sight-and-authorization-of-illegal-rifle-sale

Reports point to ATF oversight and authorization of illegal rifle sale

ATFAUGUST 17, 2012BY: DAVID CODREA

What about gunwalking and covering up for the other guy?
Credits: ATF website screen capture

RELATED TOPICS

ATFGunstraffickingMexicoJohn Shipley
Advertisement

Documents received and analyzed by Gun Rights Examiner this week continue to add credibility to the claims of John Shipley, an FBI agent convicted of dealing in firearms without a license who has insisted throughout his legal ordeal that he was merely an active collector. Reports of Investigation by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, in which they interviewed then-suspect Jonatan Lopez, a Juarez, CH, resident who purchased a Barrett .50 caliber rifle that was later recovered in Mexico, provide significant corroborating details. The rifle had been previously owned by Shipley, but was sold by him to a former deputy sheriff who then sold it to Lopez, in a deal evidently brokered by an El Paso Federal Firearms Licensee.

On Wednesday, this column walked through two documents illustrating how the gun was sold and physically transferred to Lopez, and how the money and proof of delivery, consisting of a photocopy of the buyer’s license and a handwritten acknowledgment of receipt, were then given to the seller where they were later recovered in a search of his home. Yesterday’s report laid out evidence that the dealer was cooperating with ATF and established that it was well within the capability and power of agents to arrest the traffickers and intercept the gun Shipley sold before it was smuggled into Mexico, something that was later exploited with great effect by the prosecution to condemn the defendant in the eyes of the jury.

Today’s installment runs through two more documents provided to Gun Rights Examiner by a source close to the Shipley case, ATF ROIs that detail how the sale of the Barrett went down, introduce us to a mysterious stranger, and demonstrate that the transaction must have been authorized by ATF agents who had been closely monitoring things with FFL cooperation. These reports have been posted to this correspondent’s Scribd account for reference.

Document #6 is a supplement to an April 7, 2008 interview of Lopez by ATF, wherein he provided information “regarding a .50 caliber rifle that he purchased from a white male, possibly matching the description of Shipley, in the parking lot of Collector’s Gun Exchange.” This did not pan out to be the case.

“Lopez was shown a photo lineup in an attempt to identify the person who delivered the Barrett,” the source explained. “John Shipley’s photograph was included in the lineup. Lopez did not identify anyone in the lineup as the supplier of the Barrett.

“This document is evidence that the ATF knew Lopez trafficked the Barrett to Mexico,” the source claimed, adding a startling fact that “he was never indicted or charged with it.

“ATF didn’t indict him or charge him because then the ATF would have to provide discovery material that showed [they] knew about, allowed and surveilled Lopez’s purchase and trafficking,” the source claimed. “This would prove that the United States Attorney’s Office lied to obtain a search warrant for John Shipley’s residence because they were trying to trace how the Barrett got to Mexico when they already knew how it got to Mexico.”

A report will be presented as a later installment in this series documenting that of all the firearms listed in the eventual indictment against Lopez, Barrett #20488 was not included, nor has he ever been charged with trafficking that particular gun to Mexico.

For now, so the pieces of the puzzle can be laid out before assembling the final picture, Document #7, the interview of Lopez, must be understood. It establishes the details of the parking lot sale, and the extent a cooperating FFL was involved. That’s very important, because had activities for this particular transaction not been approved and directed, there is no explanation for why ATF would allow a serious violation of the law to occur under their noses and just let it slide.

“In paragraph #5, Lopez tells the ATF that he heard through Paul Lee [the FFL and owner of Collector’s Gun Exchange] about the Barrett being for sale for $8,000,” the source points out. “If Paul Lee wasn’t acting under the authority of the ATF as an informant, this statement alone would make him guilty of conspiracy to traffic firearms to Mexico.

“The second sentence of paragraph #5 starts, ‘On the arranged day…,’” the source continued. “This tells you that Paul Lee had Lopez return to buy the gun.

“Lee did this to allow ATF to get permission to conduct a controlled delivery of the Barrett to Lopez,” the source deduced. “ATF needed time to have operations orders approved, and undercover agent ready to deliver the Barrett to Lopez and a surveillance team ready,” the source surmised, charging “ATF supplied the Barrett to Lopez and then allowed it to be trafficked to Mexico” and comparing the tactic to Operation Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious..

“If Paul Lee had the Barrett in his store and wasn’t assisting ATF, there would have been no need for Lopez to return ‘on an arranged day,’” the source argued. “Lopez states that Lee took his Texas driver’s license and made a photocopy. This is the receipt for the sale of the Barrett. If Lee was illegally selling…to a known subject of an ATF Mexican trafficking investigation who is not a legal U.S. citizen allowed to buy firearms, the last thing Lee would do is make a receipt to document his crime.

“Lee made this receipt for the ATF,” the source concluded. “It identifies the buyer and is evidence they can use to prosecute Lopez.”

“Lopez also states that he paid Lee ‘$8,000 in U.S. currency form his backpack and counted it out to Lee, who then made a telephone call to “someone” telling them that Lopez had just paid for the firearm,’” the source summarized. “Lopez has just told the ATF—who is supposedly looking for the person who sold the Barrett to Lopez—that he bought it from Lee.

“If Lee was acting without the knowledge of the ATF, he would have been arrested and Collector’s Gun Exchange would have been closed and seized,” the source observed. “This proves ATF was involved in the sale.

“The statement ‘counted it out to Lee who then made a telephone call to someone telling them Lopez had just paid for the firearm’ is critical,” the source explained. “Lee called the ATF a s part of the controlled delivery to have the undercover agent deliver the Barrett to Lopez. This also allowed the ATF to document, record and surveil Lopez accepting the Barrett and trafficking [it] to Mexico.

“This is the infamous ‘gun walking’ ATF was facilitating in Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious,” the source concluded.

The speculation is consistent with the documentation, and in the absence of additional evidence would appear to be the most plausible explanation. A question that will likely remain unanswered throughout this series of reports: Who was the person who handed the gun over to Lopez?

“Lopez went outside the store to the parking lot of Collector’s Gun Exchange where he met with a middle-aged, white male individual with a medium build, a slight pot belly and a medium complexion,” the ROI documents. “The male individual drove a silver hybrid, two-door Honda sedan. The male individual opened the trunk, retrieved a firearm case, and handed it to Lopez…The make Caucasian appeared to be in his 50’s with thin, graying hair wearing glasses.”

The next report in this series will focus on a lie told to the Shipley jury, how Shipley cooperated with investigators, how the judge made prejudicial media statements, what the law says, what the prosecutor said, and irrelevant “evidenced” introduced to gin up fear, loathing and a “guilty” verdict.

Suggested by the author:
Documents confirm ATF surveillance in U.S. before gun found in Mexico
Shipley documents point to more government-sanctioned gunwalking
Appeals court denies extension in Shipley case despite strangely lost testimony
Is FBI agent in Mexican gun case being persecuted?
Is FBI agent charged with illegal gun dealing just a collector?
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Which raises the question of "What was the US upside purpose here?"

Iran-Contra had specific US goals...I don't see ANY here...

Oh wait .. lemme rephrase that....

Iran-Contra had specific legitimate US goals...I don't see ANY here...(the only goals I see here are pretty damn nefarious...)
 
Top