WTF?!? Do Crosses at (private) Catholic University Violate “Human Rights” of Muslims?

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Do Crosses at Catholic University Violate “Human Rights” of Muslims?

Oct 26, 2011

The Washington, D.C. Office of Human Rights confirmed that it is investigating allegations that Catholic University violated the human rights of Muslim students by not allowing them to form a Muslim student group and by not providing them rooms without Christian symbols for their daily prayers.

The investigation alleges that Muslim students “must perform their prayers surrounded by symbols of Catholicism – e.g., a wooden crucifix, paintings of Jesus, pictures of priests and theologians which many Muslim students find inappropriate.”

A spokesperson for the Office of Human Rights told Fox News they had received a 60-page complaint against the private university. The investigation, they said, could take as long a six months.

The complaint was filed by John Banzhaf, an attorney and professor at George Washington University Law School. Banzhaf has been involved in previous litigation against the school involving the same-sex residence halls. He also alleged in his complaint involving Muslim students that women at the university were being discriminated against. You can read more on those allegations by clicking here.

Banzhaf said some Muslim students were particularly offended because they had to meditate in the school’s chapels “and at the cathedral that looms over the entire campus – the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception.”

“It shouldn’t be too difficult somewhere on the campus for the university to set aside a small room where Muslims can pray without having to stare up and be looked down upon by a cross of Jesus,” he told Fox News.

A spokesman for Catholic University released a statement to Fox News indicating they had not seen any legal filings — but would respond once they do.

“Our faithfulness to our Catholic tradition has also made us a welcome home to students of other religions,” said Victor Nakas, associate vice president for public affairs. “No students have registered complaints about the exercise of their religions on our campus.”

In a 2010 interview with National Public Radio, university president John Garvey acknowledged that they don’t set aside prayer rooms for Muslim students.

“We make classrooms available, or our chapels are places where they can pray,” he told NPR. “We don’t offer Halal meat, although there are always meals that conform to Halal regulations, that allow students to do what they want.”

Banzhaf said that it is technically not illegal for Catholic University to refuse to provide rooms devoid of religious icons.

“It may not be illegal, but it suggests they are acting improperly and probably with malice,” he said. “They do have to pray five times a day, they have to look around for empty classrooms and to be sitting there trying to do Muslim prayers with a big cross looking down or a picture of Jesus or a picture of the Pope is not very conductive to their religion.”

As for the creation of a Muslim student group, Banzhaf said the university has an association of Jewish students – so why not a Muslim group?

“I think they are entitled as a matter of law to be able to form a Muslim student association and to have the same privileges as associations,” he said. “I think that most of them would much prefer to have a place to pray – that they are not surrounded by various Catholic symbols – a place that is more conductive to their religious beliefs than being surrounded by pictures of Popes.”

Garvey, in his 2010 interview with NPR, addressed that issue.

“It’s just not something that we view as an activity that we want to sponsor because we’re a Catholic institution rather than Muslim,” he said.

Patrick Reilly, the president of the Cardinal Newman Society, an organization that promotes Catholic identity among Catholic schools, seemed stunned by the complaint.

“I don’t know what the attorney wants them to do – if he wants them to actually move the Basilica or if the Muslim students can find someplace where they don’t have to look at it,” he told Fox News.

Catholic University, he said, is a Catholic institution.

“One wouldn’t expect a Jewish institution to be responsible for providing liturgical opportunities for other faiths and I wouldn’t expect a Catholic institution to do that,” he said.

“This attorney is really turning civil rights on its head,” he said. “He’s using the law for his own discrimination against the Catholic institution and essentially saying Catholic University cannot operate according to Catholic principles.”

Read coverage from Catholic University’s student newspaper by clicking here. http://www.cuatower.com/news/2011/10/20/university-accused-of-discriminating-against-muslims/


http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarne...c-school-to-provide-room-without-crosses.html
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Muslimes shouldn't even be ALLOWED in private Christian facilities. Period.


"Your kind aren't welcome here."



Works for me....
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
If Muslims do not recognise Christianity (or any other religion for that matter including atheism) they should be able to ignore it and it's symbols as being meaningless to them.
 

BL225128

Inactive
If Muslims do not recognise Christianity (or any other religion for that matter including atheism) they should be able to ignore it and it's symbols as being meaningless to them.

It's hard to ignore the Truth when they (the muslims) are awash in falsehood and idol worship.
 

Mzkitty

I give up.
This is what happened: Those universities thought they'd be all "ecumenical," meaning they wanted muslim $$$$$$$$. They got greedy. This is the result. There happens to be a never-ending Jihad on and it's getting worse all over the world as we speak. What can anyone expect? Islam NEVER changes. So maybe they should tell all the muzzies to leave and refund their money. Like now.
 

topcat46

Inactive
“Our faithfulness to our Catholic tradition has also made us a welcome home to students of other religions,” said Victor Nakas, associate vice president for public affairs.

Sounds like you have lost your way Mr. Nakas, for Jesus said (in Matthew 28:19):

Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptising them to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit;

In other news, the Muslim Jihad continues.
 
It's a PRIVATE Catholic University. The only reason any muslim would want to go there is to start crap like this. Expel them for being troublemakers. If they won't leave, shoot 'em.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
It's a PRIVATE Catholic University. The only reason any muslim would want to go there is to start crap like this. Expel them for being troublemakers. If they won't leave, shoot 'em.

this will soon apply to the whole country. look to Europe to see why. rapes and riots. rinse, repeat.

Islam is not safe for children and other living things
 

clem

Veteran Member
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Flippper

Time Traveler
mzkitty-This is what happened: Those universities thought they'd be all "ecumenical," meaning they wanted muslim $$$$$$$$. They got greedy. This is the result. (one of the few times I agree with you regarding money, but I think you're spot on here) There happens to be a never-ending Jihad on and it's getting worse all over the world as we speak. What can anyone expect? Islam NEVER changes. So maybe they should tell all the muzzies to leave and refund their money. Like now. (Heh, good luck with that, let me know how it goes-they'd own the place, which is their intent. Camel's nose and all that.)

Richard-
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]If Muslims do not recognise Christianity (or any other religion for that matter including atheism) they should be able to ignore it and it's symbols as being meaningless to them.

One would think. The rules don't apply to them in liberal lala land.
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FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Next they'll want all crosses visible in public (like on top of churches) to be removed, much as some atheists want now. If they are going to attend a Catholic institution, they should have to sign an agreement that they fully understand and agree that the institution is in fact Catholic, with all that that implies, including the presence of religious symbols. I am sure there are other non-Catholics attending that university, but they don't all appear to have an issue with the fact that they freely chose to attend an institution from a different belief system than their own.
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
As a guest, you don't go to someone's party and tell them how to dress, for some reason they are getting a pass on every thing they do, which implies collusion, and being that the pretender in POTUS office is a muslim by his own mouth, as are many of his appointees, well, they think they're the boss of us and mighty clever doing this. According to muslims, this is war, but an MSM watching, dumbed down America thinks they're being nice to the outsider. Morons.
 

Grantbo

Inactive
Banzhaf said that it is technically not illegal for Catholic University to refuse to provide rooms devoid of religious icons.
“It may not be illegal, but it suggests they are acting improperly and probably with malice,” he said.


That's a lawyer for ya, trying to create a crime where there is none. Sounds like your standard dirty liberal.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
It's hard to ignore the Truth when they (the muslims) are awash in falsehood and idol worship.

from their point of view they can ignore non-muslim beliefs and symbols, whether they wish to worship falsehood and idols, let 'em get on with it peacefully
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
this will soon apply to the whole country. look to Europe to see why. rapes and riots. rinse, repeat.

Islam is not safe for children and other living things

Ahem not all of Europe, our Muslim population is 0.2% , Catholic population 86.8%, the Catholic Church runs our state school system and you can't go anywhere here without seeing crosses & religious statues & pictures.

CONSTITUTION OF IRELAND

In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,

We, the people of Éire,

Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial,

Religion

Article 44

1.*** The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion.
 

mrrk1562

Veteran Member
they must of read the turner diaries....same type of mo .impose your will on some one els lest they be labled a racist ..does any one know what historical document was signed by the most holy and undevided trinity..im getting tired of this crap ..any talking about discrimanation against women it should not be a muslom look at there track record on discrimanation not a very good one..and why the heck would they want to go to a catholic school anyway ..i tell people i go to saint johns catholic church ..and they say your catholic ..and i say no i just just like all that knealing and standing for fun
 

BL225128

Inactive
from their point of view they can ignore non-muslim beliefs and symbols, whether they wish to worship falsehood and idols, let 'em get on with it peacefully

The problem is that the muslim religion is extremely violent and dominance seeking, combined with an extreme averance to intellectual debate beyond the ususal pointing to the jibberjabber contained in the Koran of the Haditha, and threatening to kill you for disagreeing with them. Atheists are almost the same, except they'll argue from a virulently materialist standpoint (i.e. lots of Marx, Stephen J Gould, and other usual suspects of the left.

Christians, Jews and other normal religious folk by and large can ignore the towellies (and their erstwhile allies, the militant atheists) as these religions are not concerned with conquest and domination, but the muslim and related ilk cannot as conquest and dominance are their raison d'etre.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Banzhaf said that it is technically not illegal for Catholic University to refuse to provide rooms devoid of religious icons.
“It may not be illegal, but it suggests they are acting improperly and probably with malice,” he said.


That's a lawyer for ya, trying to create a crime where there is none. Sounds like your standard dirty liberal.


FECK This damn piece of feckless jreck. He openly admits that the school is behaving legally and doing it with malice.

Of course he's convinced SOMEONE to bank roll this flight of fancy, and so THEY desparately need to be conjoined to him as he gets the fecking he so richly deserves...
 

Gercarson

Veteran Member
Banzhaf said that it is technically not illegal for Catholic University to refuse to provide rooms devoid of religious icons.
“It may not be illegal, but it suggests they are acting improperly and probably with malice,” he said.


That's a lawyer for ya, trying to create a crime where there is none. Sounds like your standard dirty liberal.
You are so right - no crime and absolutely NO malice. It's a Catholic University and the malice he's referring to is a stand on religion, particularly Christianity - something that muslims think IS a form of malice. As someone has posted they're only there TO stir up this sort of crap.
 
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momof23goats

Deceased
tell them to go else where. if one goes to a catholic college ,yo u will see crosses, go to a christian college expect to see the same, they need to stay home. save my tax payers money stay home.
 

Grammytomany

Inactive
I wish they would go home. Leave the U.S.A. in peace. We got along just fine before they came here and proceeded to spew all of their hatred speech and actions.
 

Gercarson

Veteran Member
I wish they would go home. Leave the U.S.A. in peace. We got along just fine before they came here and proceeded to spew all of their hatred speech and actions.
You've GOT to understand - they are HERE to make this their home - it's part of the world caliphate they're aiming for. We are going to BE their home and YOU will convert to Islam . . . or die.
Let that sink in.
 
Obviously they violate their sensitivities since all muzzies are compelled to attend Catholic Universities - aren't they?

(no way to make this $hit up)
 

umhurricane

Inactive
WTF ARE THEY DOING AT A CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY AND WHAT WAS THEIR ADMINISTRATION THINKING!!!!!

I thought they weren't supposed to be anywhere near us infidels. Besides that we do eat pork and they do serve it in the dining area. As far as I'm concerned if they don't like it they can leave.

I'm sure, and this is hypothetical, if a Catholic wanted to go to a Muslim University they wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting in let alone be allowed to practice their religion.
 

Terriannie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Didn't this same exact thing happen before or did I just dream it did?

At any rate, the solution is simple. Give them their room. However since it would take away from an official classroom it would have to be rented for an exorbitant fee of course to make up for the loss of use. Plus, they would just HAVE to charge for air, heat and janitorial. (Of course they could save on janitorial payments by cleaning it themselves using their head rags and burkas.)
 

Mzkitty

I give up.
Muslims are actually AFRAID of Jesus Christ, which is why they want to wipe him out. Oh their "religion" tells you it "respects" Jesus, but in truth they are deathly afraid of him.

Boy, are they going to get their comeuppance as far as he's concerned.

And these schools that take the muzzie bribes to let them in have no shame.
 

WFK

Senior Something
The answer is the same that Romney or his guys gave to the reporter; "kiss my
 

Publius

On TB every waking moment
If it offends them or they think it violates their beliefs! It's a free country and they are free to move to another one anytime soon.
 

SuElPo

Veteran Member
They are simply offended by anything that is not what they want. We were all suppose to practice tolerance, but they are the last to do this, yet yell their rights and wants the loudest. We seem to have everyone coming to America to fill us in on how it should be here.

susan
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
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