GOV/MIL Will Drone Pilots Feel The Duty To Kill Us Soon With Their Drones?

Warthog

Tusk Up
I think so
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July 30, 2012

Portrait of a Drone Killer: ‘I Have a Duty, and I Execute My Duty’

Posted by William Grigg on July 30, 2012 09:53 AM

One wonders if drone pilot Col. D. Scott Brenton listens to Louis Armstrong in the suburban Air National Guard Base in Syracuse from which he murders people 7,000 miles away.

“I see mothers with children, I see fathers with children, I see fathers with mothers, I see kids playing soccer,” Brenton tells the New York Times. Drone operators see their intended targets “wake up in the morning, do their work, go to sleep at night,” explains Dave, another high-tech murderer who killed from an office cockpit at Nevada’s Creech Air Force Base and who now trains new recruits to the cyber-killer corps at New Mexico’s Holloman Air Force Base.

When instructed to kill someone he has stalked from the air for a prolonged period, “I feel no emotional attachment to the enemy,” Brenton insists. I have a duty, and I execute my duty.” When the deed is done, he points out, nobody “in my immediate environment is aware of anything that has occurred.”

“There was a good reason for killing the people that I did, and I go through it in my head over and over and over,” insists another drone operator named Will, who — like Dave — served a deskbound “combat” tour at Creech and now trains others to do likewise at Holloman Air Base.

Like the soldier Bates in Henry V, it’s sufficient for Will — and others of his ilk — to render obedience to their Leader, confident that “if his cause be wrong, our obedience to the king wipes the crime of it out of us.” The more concise and notorious formula, of course, is: We are only obeying orders. Besides, drone operators (who insist on being called “combat pilots”) are carrying out an indispensable function by picking off Afghan “militants” — or at least those “suspected” of such tendencies — who unreasonably resent the presence of foreign military personnel in their country.

The New York Times profile is part of a campaign by the state-aligned media to “humanize” the state functionaries who murder by remote control — and to normalize this mode of mass murder as drones become part of the domestic apparatus of surveillance, regimentation, and repression. Readers are invited to share the anguish of these conflicted people, who for reasons of duty have to do terrible but necessary things.

In her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, Hannah Arendt offered a glimpse into the mindset of SS personnel who were given a somewhat similar assignment. To carry out their killing errand, she explained, something had to be done "to overcome not so much their conscience as the animal pity by which all normal men are affected in the presence of physical suffering."

"The trick used by Himmler ... was very simple and probably very effective; it consisted in turning these instincts around, as it were, in directing them toward the self," Arendt recounted. "So that instead of saying: What horrible things I did to people!, the murderers would be able to say: What horrible things I had to watch in the pursuance of my duties, how heavily the task weighed upon my shoulders!"

Not everybody attached to the Regime’s Cyber-Killing Corps is haunted by the horrors he has inflicted on defenseless people halfway around the world. In a 2009 U.S. Naval Academy lecture, Dr. P.W. Singer of the Brookings Institution made reference to what he called "predator porn" — footage of drone attacks proudly circulated by the people who committed those acts. In a typical offering, Dr. Singer relates, "A Hellfire missile drops, goes in, and hits the target, followed by an explosion and bodies tossed into the air." Singer described one clip of that kind, sent to him by a joystick-wielding assassin, that "was set to music, the pop song 'I Just Want to Fly' by the band Sugar Ray.”

:siren:"It's like a videogame," one deskbound drone jockey told Singer. "It can get a little bloodthirsty. But it's f****g cool."

Singer describes asking a drone pilot "what it was like to fight insurgents in Iraq while based in Nevada. He said, 'You are going to war for 12 hours, shooting weapons at targets, directing kills on enemy combatants, and then you get in the car and you drive home. And within 20 minutes, you're sitting at the dinner table talking to your kids about their homework." Meanwhile, somewhere in Iraq (or Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, or another country yet to be identified), other families are desperately looking through the rubble of their own homes in search of survivors.

Although drone strikes occur daily, most Americans pay little heed to them — beyond occasionally taking inconsolable offense when a dissident publicly describes them as acts of murder, and insults the Dear Leader by daring to compare him to less prolific killers.

:siren:This may change soon: As the Times points out, the Pentagon — driven by “a near insatiable demand for drones” — is training hundreds of operators to join the corps of more than 1,300 currently stationed at more than a dozen bases across the country. Surveillance drones operated by domestic police agencies are already plying the skies above us. Those robot aircraft can be upgraded to airborne weapons platforms, and they soon will. The people being trained to feel “no emotional attachment” to foreigners designated enemies of the state will feel no particular burden when ordered to kill fellow Americans on that list. I’m sure that the “combat pilots” who murdered U.S. citizen Anwar al-Awlaki and his 16-year-old son Abdulrahman would testify to that fact — that is, if the “heroes” who committed those acts were man enough to acknowledge their deeds in public.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/116829.html
 

Mzkitty

I give up.
Either the muzzies are going to smash us bad again (they are currently on a worldwide Jihad push, hence all the suicide and car bombings all over the world lately, and in Iraq and Afghanistan, and of course now Syria). We are not immune and they do have their sights set on us as always. So....... given the current love affair between Bams and muzzies, I'd say after that happens, or some false flag, we will see the drones unleashed in "pursuit" of the "evil doers" on our land. Of course, at that point if the sheeple citizens see those happening, maybe even they will wake up and realize that it's going to be common place now, and if you go out for a walk you could be next. You see how they are?
 

Mzkitty

I give up.
Was it this board or the other one that we talked about "being attacked by "Aliens"?

Here and a lot of other places. I believe they are real and fake. Some is .mil stuff; the rest is seepage from other dimensions here sucking off all the negativity and gathering strength. No, I am not kidding. If there are any "good" aliens, I don't believe it. Some is going to be Hollywood stuff. Best to just get rid of it all, but that would certainly require a thorough house cleaning.
 

DennisRGH

Reset
Will Drone Pilots Feel The Duty To Kill Us Soon With Their Drones?

In a world full of demon possessed psychopaths, what are the odds?

hint:
"It's like a videogame," one deskbound drone jockey told Singer. "It can get a little bloodthirsty. But it's f****g cool."
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Drone pilots will follow orders and carry out their mission just like the rest of the arm forces.
Best bet for you or anyone is not to be in the area where that happens.
 

Sleeping Cobra

TB Fanatic
In a world full of demon possessed psychopaths, what are the odds?

hint:
"It's like a videogame," one deskbound drone jockey told Singer. "It can get a little bloodthirsty. But it's f****g cool."

I don't play video games but there is no problem hiring people to play "video games".:whistle: :shkr:
 

Bullwinkle

Membership Revoked
If there are not enough psychopathic killers in the world, the military will make them.
What threat is some goat herder in the mountains 8,000 miles away?
They may be carrying guns to protect their herds.
These psychopaths have had plenty of practice. It will be no different for them to kill you.
It is time to tell the Elite...."I will kill no more for you."
 

Foothiller

Veteran Member
i think the more relevant question is: Will this generation raised on violent movies, violent video games, personal screens, and self=esteem based education, feel anything?

Add in some training to desensitize soldiers to killing (this has been well documented) and you have drone pilots killing people (like in Pakistan and Yemen), many innocents, and feeling no different than wasting a few bad guys in Grand Theft Auto (a violent video game).
 

DHR43

Since 2001
"Will Drone Pilots Feel The Duty To Kill Us Soon With Their Drones?"

Of course. Basic training removes the ability to think like an empathetic human and replaces it with the behavior of a drone. Drones do what they're told.
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Will Drone Pilots Feel The Duty To Kill Us Soon With Their Drones?

Absolutely, without a doubt.

Will Obama order such murders? Absolutely, with great pleasure.

I do believe many in DC right now would like to see this come about. We are no longer dealing with rational people. We are dealing with a possessed blood thirsty group that will not stop until they've removed those who does not bow to their god.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Drone pilots won't know who they're shooting. They'll be told (at first) that this is a top-secret high-stakes threat to the country. As they become used to it, it will take less of a back-story to persuade them. Anyone who hesitates will be rotated to another slot, training or whatever.

On the other hand, those giving the kill orders won't be doing the shooting. They might not even know they ordered a shooting. Clerks will rate individuals on a threat level, and an administrator will set the threshold for liquidation at a given threat level, based on drone availability and the need to damp down public restlessness. The kill roster pops out automatically.

Each role will be separated, so no one has all the responsibility, no one has the whole picture, no one needs to carry guilt. No one will be assembling the entire story to discover that they're shooting a guy so the local JBT can have his house. The more it goes on, the easier it gets.
 

changed

Preferred pronouns: dude/bro
At one point, the decision making will no longer be done by humans. They aren't making those large supercomputers to play chess.
 
retribution is easy, when you know the bases they fly out of.

Yup. There are still far, far more of US than THEM. They're going to drive to the base, leave their family ALONE and then drive home.

Start working on the personnel and it'll piss them off but it'll make them think twice too, 'Am I the next one, or my wife or my kids?'.

I hate thinking this way but it's the one way to level the playing field. We can't/won't have drones or all the tech they have so it'll be a choice; leave your family for a 'safe base' to save yourself or stay home and not become a target. This is why a good longer range gun will be needed for this. One bullet into a jet engine pretty much renders it useless.

It's stuff like this is why we should all be aware of who lives around us, especially near military bases. Usually the base housing list is long.....
 

FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Nobel. Freaking. Peace. Prize.

We've been on the other side of the looking glass for a while now.
 

Boise Rocker

Conservative Rock Guru
"Will Drone Pilots Feel The Duty To Kill Us Soon With Their Drones?"

Of course. Basic training removes the ability to think like an empathetic human and replaces it with the behavior of a drone. Drones do what they're told.

Hogwash...Basic Training, which I and many others on this forum have graduated from, doesn't turn a soldier into a drone, it teaches one how to be a soldier. You should be ashamed of yourself for making such a comment here, rather than on the Huffington Post. I dare say those who graduate from Basic are more human than many of the semi-functioning knuckle draggers who graduate from high school and college these days.
 

Boise Rocker

Conservative Rock Guru
"Will Drone Pilots Feel The Duty To Kill Us Soon With Their Drones?"

Of course. Basic training removes the ability to think like an empathetic human and replaces it with the behavior of a drone. Drones do what they're told.

Oh...Canada, I see. That explains a lot.
 

uriah55

Contributing Member
Not only feel that it's their duty but they will get a kick out of it like a video game. It makes it so much easier on a monitor screen.
 

undead

Veteran Member
:whistle:


Ok.

Could someone Puuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhleeeeeeeze explain to me why we have a need for drones over American skies???????
 

Kook

A 'maker', not a 'taker'!
Here and a lot of other places. I believe they are real and fake. Some is .mil stuff; the rest is seepage from other dimensions here sucking off all the negativity and gathering strength. No, I am not kidding. If there are any "good" aliens, I don't believe it. Some is going to be Hollywood stuff. Best to just get rid of it all, but that would certainly require a thorough house cleaning.

Sounds like Nephthalim to me.
 

goatlady2

Deceased
Talk about total emotional disengagement! No feeling involved at all, it's just a game to them and they play for hours and then go home to family. No real people involved, no real actions, no real death, just a game they play for hours and then go home to family. No thought involved or even desired, just follow the plan, observe and shoot at the best opportunity. Wonder how they keep score to so as to try to beat that score, ya know like the games do.
 
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