POL Obama, Pick A Side: God Or Gay

Looks like O's going for more "damage control" after Newsweek declared him as "First Gay President", complete with rainbow colored "gaylo". http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/14/from-first-black-president-to-first-gay-president/

Now he's hiring a "Faith Outreach Director" for his campaign to try to get back the votes he lost when he came out in favor of gay marriage. http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/...ign-hires-faith-outreach-director/?hpt=hp_bn5 Michael Wear is 23 years young, graduated from George Washington U in 2011, and has a BA in political science. Not a lot of pics of Mikey, but here's one:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/mee...ired-to-head-his-religious-campaign-outreach/ Noticed he's been with the WH since 2010 and salary has been ~$45K/yr.

OK, O, you gotta realize something right here, right now. There are some things that you can NOT take a stand on both sides of. You either are going to have to be for them or against them. The 2 sides are mutually exclusive, at least in some peoples' (voters) minds. Oh, wait a minute, he's a politician and incabable of 1) taking a firm stand and 2) opening his mouth without uttering a lie. My bad!

Kajun

A Gay Outreach Czar?

As far as a "firm stand", there is nothing in the Mighty One's body that could remotely be considered "firm." Not his backbone OR his pecker. (Unless he's in a dark conference room however... )

What did he thing would happen? Us Christians would simply change our minds and go against all our beliefs just because he the all mighty is for it? There’s a hell of a lot more Christians out there against gay marriage then there are gays wanting to get legally married. Lets hope he shot himself in the re-election foot.

"Faith Outreach Director" ahh you mean (false prophet)

I choose God - Jesus Christ.

Is there a New Testament for suggesting that Jesus spoke against homosexuality?

I know of none in the Gospels. It is only in Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:8–11 that there may be references that may be construed as applying to homosexuality.

In Romans 1:26-27 Homosexuality is caused by GOD as a punishment, not as something to be punished for. The other references are either pretty vague or one among al long list of 'sins' like covetousness or being a reviler to name a few of those types of sinners that will not enter the Kingdom of God.

Covetousness is not illegal in the US and being a reviler is protected speech under the Constitution.

ah yes, our first Gay President.

his fudge has been packed, and he better also have his bags packed in November

I think he pitches...

In Eph. 5 it talks about husband and wife. In 1 Cor. 7:2-3 it's husband and wife again. Mark 10 :12 is about a woman divorcing her husband, not another lady or three husbands. Luke Ch. 20 deals with a woman who's husbands have died. Still no option for the same sex. While Jesus didn't point blank say "don't marry animals or the same sex" all the examples are one man and one woman at a time.

A

"...Obama, Pick A Side: God Or Gay..."


The only thing that will really work is OUT...OUT...OUT...as Arnie strongly advised in The Terminator truck scene:
GET OUT.

FarmerJohn said:

It is only in Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:8–11

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ONLY?

Didn't Jesus come to fulfill the law and NOT to do away with it?? When you are saved they tell you to "go and sin no more."

Originally Posted by FarmerJohn
It is only in Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:8–11

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Kent said:

ONLY?

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Only in those three books of the NT.

If you know of NT testaments to otherwise, please do submit them here.

The OT, Leviticus in particular, has anti-same-sex admonishments, along with stoning for eating shellfish, etc, etc that the founding fathers found no fault with....

FarmerJohn said:

Is there a New Testament for suggesting that Jesus spoke against homosexuality?

I know of none in the Gospels. It is only in Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:8–11 that there may be references that may be construed as applying to homosexuality.

In Romans 1:26-27 Homosexuality is caused by GOD as a punishment, not as something to be punished for. The other references are either pretty vague or one among al long list of 'sins' like covetousness or being a reviler to name a few of those types of sinners that will not enter the Kingdom of God.

Covetousness is not illegal in the US and being a reviler is protected speech under the Constitution.

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I don't understand, how many scriptures would it take to make it wrong? By the way, Romans doesn't say God caused them to be homo. It says he gave them up to their lusts.

Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Besides what is literally IN the Gospels, Christians also have cultural tradition. Think Christmas trees, Easter eggs...those are all traditional Christian symbols. Well, one man one woman is a traditional Christian profile that goes all the way back to the Old Testament. There's lots of references to one man one woman (beginning with adam and eve), so the New Testament writers did not think that it was necessary to restate what was already accepted: ONE MAN ONE WOMAN.

I object to gay marriage on the grounds of my religious belief. In the Christian religion, marriage is a sacramental act, between a man and a woman, that God intended to represent the relationship between Himself and His church. This is illustrated multiple times in the Bible.

Now, all you tolerant people out there, why can't you tolerate my intolerant religious viewpoint? After all, you are the tolerant one.

God? Obama thinks he is god.

He may have made it to the high rollers in this life. In the next when the whistle blows and it's back on his head he will be eating and breathing s*it.

brokenwings said:

Didn't Jesus come to fulfill the law and NOT to do away with it?? When you are saved they tell you to "go and sin no more."

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Yeah, but some ppl. don't want to hear that sin no more part. They think it doesn't apply.

As far as this new 'director' goes, all I can think is Here it comes. The one world religion where they all swap spit, hold hands and sing Kumbya. Sickening! They can worship Obumass all they want, as for me & my house, we serve The Lord.

FarmerJohn said:

Is there a New Testament for suggesting that Jesus spoke against homosexuality?

I know of none in the Gospels. It is only in Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:8–11 that there may be references that may be construed as applying to homosexuality.

In Romans 1:26-27 Homosexuality is caused by GOD as a punishment, not as something to be punished for. The other references are either pretty vague or one among al long list of 'sins' like covetousness or being a reviler to name a few of those types of sinners that will not enter the Kingdom of God.

Covetousness is not illegal in the US and being a reviler is protected speech under the Constitution.

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Oh, I get it. You are one of those who believe we can "pick and choose" which words in the Bible are really God's and to be obeyed, and which are "just something some man said, not God" and therefore to be ignored.

Taken to its logical extreme, this viewpoint (called the "Higher Criticism" movement in the late 1800's) could justify such actions as Thomas Jeffferson earlier writing his OWN version of the Bible--the "Thomas Jefferson Bible" -- with ONLY the words that Jefferson thought were really the inspired words of Jesus included. By that action, apparently, Jefferson was able to excuse his own slaveholding, and using female slaves as his personal concubines, even fathering children by them.

What you propose is not new and modern, Farmer John; in fact, it's another version of the very first deceit spoken to man, all the way back in the beginning: "Yea, hath God said...???"

What you need to remember are the following---an instruction, and a warning (not from me, Farmer John---from Someone much higher up--if you choose to believe, that is...)--

"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;"---from 2 Timothy 3:16--the chapter that starts out by describing how things will be in "the last days"---when men would be "boastful, arrogant, revilers....holding to a form of godliness, but denying its power..."

And from Revelation 22---almost the very last words in the Bible---we find:

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

rugrats12 said:

Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

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Thank you! I was about to go look that up but now I don't have to!