ainitfunny
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Watch THIS VIDEO, you will then remember it if you ever need it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ebR37K8hDg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ebR37K8hDg
TIP HOW to get a BITING ATTACK DOG OFF ANOTHER PERSON (Not yourself)
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night driver
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Interesting technique....
Interesting technique....
Notice it was a trained dog. Trained to do as the trainer intended.
In a real life situation where a person is being attacked by a dog that neither of you are familiar with if you step over it you are likely to lose your nuts or worse. The dog is not going to stop attacking just because you choke it. Sure it may release the person but there is no guarantee it will not attack again and this time it could and likely would be you. Get behind it and kick it as hard as you can in the crotch.
You would be a fool to step over an attacking dog whether you are the owner or not.
I just love how these self defense guys teach how to fight. They almost always do it with trained responses from those they use as examples. In this case a dog but from my experience people who were taught how to react and how to submit to show how the technique works.
I have friends who have told me I could not get out of their holds. I have yet to find one I could not get out of. They are never happy about that. I have had zero training. One friend is a third degree black belt who told me it was impossible for me to hold him down. Not only did I hold him, he was turning blue when he begged me to let go, ha ha. I made him first admit to everyone around that I was his master.
My son has been to Brazilian Jiujitsu classes. At my sons first session the instructor tried to use him as an example of how different pressure points work on people. None of it would work on my son. After much frustration in trying to get my son to submit the guy told everyone in the class that if they see my son on the street RUN!! My son is very limber. He can even pop his shoulders in and out of their sockets randomly at will. His fingers and thumbs will bend completely backwards.
Long story short a person is only going to be so good. Sure training can help you "improve" your personal ability but some people are just made to fight and no training will teach you to defeat that.
IMO people, do not get on top a dog that you do not know unless you are prepared to be attacked yourself. Now I would do it myself to save someone but my guess is there will be a price to pay.
Life is not all peaches and cream as some of these guys would have you think.
ETA: I was attacked by a large German shepherd when I was 15 years old. It had my (left) arm just like in the video. I saw him coming and instinctively put my left arm up because he was in the air and it was clear I would be attacked. I laid my knuckles into its nose and hit him hard and square. His nose was bleeding pretty good after that. He did not attempt to bite me again but he did follow me all the way to the door of my school barking like a madman.
In a real life situation where a person is being attacked by a dog that neither of you are familiar with if you step over it you are likely to lose your nuts or worse. The dog is not going to stop attacking just because you choke it. Sure it may release the person but there is no guarantee it will not attack again and this time it could and likely would be you. Get behind it and kick it as hard as you can in the crotch.
You would be a fool to step over an attacking dog whether you are the owner or not.
I just love how these self defense guys teach how to fight. They almost always do it with trained responses from those they use as examples. In this case a dog but from my experience people who were taught how to react and how to submit to show how the technique works.
I have friends who have told me I could not get out of their holds. I have yet to find one I could not get out of. They are never happy about that. I have had zero training. One friend is a third degree black belt who told me it was impossible for me to hold him down. Not only did I hold him, he was turning blue when he begged me to let go, ha ha. I made him first admit to everyone around that I was his master.
My son has been to Brazilian Jiujitsu classes. At my sons first session the instructor tried to use him as an example of how different pressure points work on people. None of it would work on my son. After much frustration in trying to get my son to submit the guy told everyone in the class that if they see my son on the street RUN!! My son is very limber. He can even pop his shoulders in and out of their sockets randomly at will. His fingers and thumbs will bend completely backwards.
Long story short a person is only going to be so good. Sure training can help you "improve" your personal ability but some people are just made to fight and no training will teach you to defeat that.
IMO people, do not get on top a dog that you do not know unless you are prepared to be attacked yourself. Now I would do it myself to save someone but my guess is there will be a price to pay.
Life is not all peaches and cream as some of these guys would have you think.
ETA: I was attacked by a large German shepherd when I was 15 years old. It had my (left) arm just like in the video. I saw him coming and instinctively put my left arm up because he was in the air and it was clear I would be attacked. I laid my knuckles into its nose and hit him hard and square. His nose was bleeding pretty good after that. He did not attempt to bite me again but he did follow me all the way to the door of my school barking like a madman.
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Hansa44
Justine Case
It's amazing the strength we have when a dog is attacking another pet or person.
A big stray dog suddenly attacked my much smaller dog. He had him on his back and by the throat to kill him.
I totally freaked. Grabbed that part husky and part german shephard by his back with my 2 hands and threw him at least 10 feet.
From that day forward he became a part of our family never to threaten or hurt anyone again. I guess I became the alpha and the wolf in him recognized and respected that. He was totally devoted to all of us. And he was not waiting for the opportunity to do it again.
He turned out to be one of the best dogs we had ever had. Our smaller one was fine too.
I thought I sent a message to this discussion...but I don't see it...so I'll try again. Sorry if the other message shows up to waste space.
I would not recommend doing as the video suggests. As others have stated, this is a trained dog doing what he has been trained to do. There is no hysteria and reverting back to instinct. When a dog snaps, in so many dog attacks, addrenalin and instinct are in charge. Choking the dog and hitting the vomit reflex aren't likely to work as smoothly as the video suggests.
A very long time ago I attended seminars for this sort of thing and here is what we were told to do. Get the victim (you or someone else) to a place that will protect you once you get the dog to release. Otherwise, all you do is cause the dog to either redirect at you or move to another part of the victim. Finding a door is the perfect place...such as a car door or regular door. Once you are at the door, place the victim so that when you shut the door...the dog will be on one side and the victim on the other. Then, take the door and slam it as hard as you can on the dog's hear or body. This is likely to cause the dog to either release altogether or briefly let go. Slam the door shut. Then figure out how to proceed.
I bet you are all thinking...what a crock! I don't blame you...but it works. When I worked for the vet...centuries ago...our kennel man was attacked by a GSD. He had him by an arm and was really chewing on him. Three of us rushed in and pulled the guy...with the dog attached...to one of the doors in the kennel. Once we got to the door we positioned the guy as I described above. It took three blows to the head to get the dog to release...but he did. Once he released we were able to get him with a catch poll. Another friend had a dog attack her in a kennel. She was alone and the dog grabbed on to her. She also used this technique. It took her fifteen minutes to get from one end of a fifteen foot kennel to the door of the kennel but she did make it, got the door open enough to get most of her body through it and then slammed the gate on the dog. He released the first time.
There is no easy way to stop an attack...and you are even less likely if it is more than one dog. But the important thing is to have a safe place to get to once you can get the release. This at least gives the dog a chance to either come to his senses or to calm down a bit so you can figure out a way to handle him.
I'm sure some here are going think you can muscle these dogs into submission. Unless you are extremely fit and have a very good understanding of what you are doing....you aren't likely to win with a determined and frenzied dog....unless of course you shoot it. And shooting the biting dog is not such a hot idea as many victims have died of a bullet and not a dog mauling.
Willow
I would not recommend doing as the video suggests. As others have stated, this is a trained dog doing what he has been trained to do. There is no hysteria and reverting back to instinct. When a dog snaps, in so many dog attacks, addrenalin and instinct are in charge. Choking the dog and hitting the vomit reflex aren't likely to work as smoothly as the video suggests.
A very long time ago I attended seminars for this sort of thing and here is what we were told to do. Get the victim (you or someone else) to a place that will protect you once you get the dog to release. Otherwise, all you do is cause the dog to either redirect at you or move to another part of the victim. Finding a door is the perfect place...such as a car door or regular door. Once you are at the door, place the victim so that when you shut the door...the dog will be on one side and the victim on the other. Then, take the door and slam it as hard as you can on the dog's hear or body. This is likely to cause the dog to either release altogether or briefly let go. Slam the door shut. Then figure out how to proceed.
I bet you are all thinking...what a crock! I don't blame you...but it works. When I worked for the vet...centuries ago...our kennel man was attacked by a GSD. He had him by an arm and was really chewing on him. Three of us rushed in and pulled the guy...with the dog attached...to one of the doors in the kennel. Once we got to the door we positioned the guy as I described above. It took three blows to the head to get the dog to release...but he did. Once he released we were able to get him with a catch poll. Another friend had a dog attack her in a kennel. She was alone and the dog grabbed on to her. She also used this technique. It took her fifteen minutes to get from one end of a fifteen foot kennel to the door of the kennel but she did make it, got the door open enough to get most of her body through it and then slammed the gate on the dog. He released the first time.
There is no easy way to stop an attack...and you are even less likely if it is more than one dog. But the important thing is to have a safe place to get to once you can get the release. This at least gives the dog a chance to either come to his senses or to calm down a bit so you can figure out a way to handle him.
I'm sure some here are going think you can muscle these dogs into submission. Unless you are extremely fit and have a very good understanding of what you are doing....you aren't likely to win with a determined and frenzied dog....unless of course you shoot it. And shooting the biting dog is not such a hot idea as many victims have died of a bullet and not a dog mauling.
Willow
CountryboyinGA
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.22 lr would be quicker.
CB
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mncb
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I agree. 22, 380, 45, whatever you are carrying that day. Just get real close and get a good aim so that you do not get the person being attacked or someone else trying to help....THAT is proper gun control.
Michigan Majik
FreeSpirit, with attitude
At the Shelter we end dog fights with a citronella spray to their face.
If you try the technique shown you had better be very quick, and very strong.
If you try the technique shown you had better be very quick, and very strong.
The first thing I do kick the attacking dog (with my toes pointed down) just behind the front leg as hard as the situation calls for. You will knock the wind out of the dog and have a few seconds to do what youy must to control and dominate the dog. I like getting on top, getting the attacker between my knees while he's still trying to breath and getting a choke hold on his neck. You'll know when its time to let go.
I've done this succesfully with 4 dogs so far, German Shepard, rottie, and chow and a pit bull that was almost comical. He was "measuring me"and trying to catch his breath. I had the 38 out by then and was comfortable at that range to call him out and he knew I could wup him. Every encounter has ended well with no one damaged
I've done this succesfully with 4 dogs so far, German Shepard, rottie, and chow and a pit bull that was almost comical. He was "measuring me"and trying to catch his breath. I had the 38 out by then and was comfortable at that range to call him out and he knew I could wup him. Every encounter has ended well with no one damaged
TECH32
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You need to watch out for that. Could be indicative of a connective tissue disorder like Marfans. Definitely not something to be taken lightly.
willowlady
Veteran Member
I'm afraid my response to the opening question of how to get a biting dog off another person is: KILL IT! That's my gut reaction. Sorry if that offends. Even if I were to use his technique, I wouldn't stop choking an animal that appears to be viciously attacking a person. I think the crotch kick sounds useful.
I'm on my Droid but will elaborate a bit later but from the responses I do wonder how many besides myself have ever choked an animal out.
It's hard to do on a cat, even harder on a midsized dog or larger.
Shooting is good but needs be in spine or rectum.
Kick to the scrotum or rectum tends to work as does a knee drop center spine.
It's hard to do on a cat, even harder on a midsized dog or larger.
Shooting is good but needs be in spine or rectum.
Kick to the scrotum or rectum tends to work as does a knee drop center spine.
LittleJohn
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During my younger years, I was a pro at choking my chicken.
Does that count?
LittleJohn
medic38572
TB Fanatic
My neighbor threw a cooked chicken
leg where my mid-sized dog could get a hold of it.
I was afraid the bone would splinter and
be bad for her.
I tried lots of ways to get her to let go of it,
finally I put my hand over her nostrils
and she let go. I was surprised and wondered
if she could only breath through her nose
when she had something in her mouth.
leg where my mid-sized dog could get a hold of it.
I was afraid the bone would splinter and
be bad for her.
I tried lots of ways to get her to let go of it,
finally I put my hand over her nostrils
and she let go. I was surprised and wondered
if she could only breath through her nose
when she had something in her mouth.
He is 28, 6'4" tall and strong as an ox.
I was pretty much the same as him when I was younger. As a freshman in high school no body could be me at mercy( grab each others hands, interlacing fingers and bend the hell out of them until someone yells MERCY!). Not even the seniors could beat me. He is the same way now. We just let them twist and bend until they are tired then go for the kill. It works every time.
Our biggest problem has been with our backs because they are so limber that after long hard hours of work it becomes hard to keep your back straight.
TECH32
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Being very tall is another indicator. Not kidding. Not to get off topic here but my oldest is 6'5", very limber and also in his 20s. He can dislocate his shoulders at will, and was able to do effortless splits into his late teens. Last spring one of his lungs collapsed out of nowhere. They had to re-inflate it. Then it happened again around Thanksgiving almost killing him (the Dr. said if he'd waited even another hour to get the ER he would have died). They took part of his lung that time. Then it happened to his other lung two months ago and they took part of that lung. Then he had another partial collapse a few weeks ago.
The disease he has, ehlers-danlos syndrome, causes "blebs" (pockets on the lung) that can burst. It also affects the aorta, causing it to grow to abnormally large size with a greatly increased risk of bursting, either on it's own or due to some trauma like getting hit in the chest with a ball.
All I'm saying is just be careful. It can strike out of nowhere, and does kill seemingly healthy, strapping young men...
Edited to add: Another indicator is very "stretchy" skin. Pinch it and you can pull it out almost like plastic.
First I want to say thank you sincerely for your concern and taking the time to bring this to our attention. It means a lot and tells a lot about you for doing so.
My son can still do full splits at age 28. It freaks people out. I can say this. He is an animal when it comes to strength. He does cross-fit. He will go for months and do great at it then things take him away for a while. Last time he was in top condition he was doing a series of burpies, kettle bell swings, 3/4 mile sprints with a 50 pound sand bag, weighted variety of pull ups, muscle ups and ring dips, rope climbs, flipping 120 pound tire over several times, dead lifts, snatch, bear complex and many others.
An average workout was three to four of those workouts with a set number of reps. Many days he would do this 3 hours without a break. The boy has got some lung capacity and endurance. I hope he does not have this problem you are talking about but we will be on the lookout. Thanks. He is just like I was back then so maybe he is OK. Most of my cousins are big like us. I think it is just a genetic thing. We have abnormal strength for our builds as well.
Our endurance is far beyond most people we know. My wife says we are more Neanderthal man than modern man, ha ha.
ETA: you should see him do cart wheels across the yard( which he is very good at), ha ha. From standing to when he is on his feet the next turn is like 15 or 20 feet. People are like "oh my God!"
We were in the mall of America in Minnesota a few years back and he decides to start skipping like a little girl. Only thing is his head was going over 8 feet with each gigantic skip. People just stopped and looked. He is a bit of a cut up at times and gets a bit like a little kid.
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TECH32
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My son was also doing the extreme physical thing (parkour - that athletic jumping from building to building, up and down walls and stairs thing) along with heavy workouts and regular miles long runs. He also had above normal lung capacity until the surgeries.
Just for safety sake, you might want to have him get his heart checked out. A bursting aorta out of nowhere is the thing that kills most with the disease.
As far as my own dog. I can take their food from their mouths [[in the case of something dangerous or 'not to be eaten'.]] and they *will not* growl snap or show any signs of agression.
They learn from an early age I am the dominant, no questions asked and if there is a question I read to them from the book titled "Why is this guy kicking me?" written by their ass.
What I was trying to get at ear,iers is carnivors have strong, well-muscled necks and with the esophagus in front of the tracea and buried in muscle it is *extrmely* hard to choke out an animal.
BTDT and it was a 20+ minute ordeal and the animal fought the whole time.
Some of the suggestions-spray it with anything from window cleaner to WD-40 work prety good.
A good, solid kick in the nther regions works too-even a detesticulated dog still has a lot of nerves down there.
A solid kick [[especially wearing cowboy boots]] that sends the rectum up to the back teeth, yep, it works.
and FJ...was your chicken attacking you or someone else?
They learn from an early age I am the dominant, no questions asked and if there is a question I read to them from the book titled "Why is this guy kicking me?" written by their ass.
What I was trying to get at ear,iers is carnivors have strong, well-muscled necks and with the esophagus in front of the tracea and buried in muscle it is *extrmely* hard to choke out an animal.
BTDT and it was a 20+ minute ordeal and the animal
Some of the suggestions-spray it with anything from window cleaner to WD-40 work prety good.
A good, solid kick in the nther regions works too-even a detesticulated dog still has a lot of nerves down there.
A solid kick [[especially wearing cowboy boots]] that sends the rectum up to the back teeth, yep, it works.
and FJ...was your chicken attacking you or someone else?
As far as my own dog. I can take their food from their mouths [[in the case of something dangerous or 'not to be eaten'.]] and they *will not* growl snap or show any signs of agression.
They learn from an early age I am the dominant, no questions asked and if there is a question I read to them from the book titled "Why is this guy kicking me?" written by their ass.
What I was trying to get at ear,iers is carnivors have strong, well-muscled necks and with the esophagus in front of the tracea and buried in muscle it is *extrmely* hard to choke out an animal.
BTDT and it was a 20+ minute ordeal and the animalfought the whole time.
Some of the suggestions-spray it with anything from window cleaner to WD-40 work prety good.
A good, solid kick in the nther regions works too-even a detesticulated dog still has a lot of nerves down there.
A solid kick [[especially wearing cowboy boots]] that sends the rectum up to the back teeth, yep, it works.
and FJ...was your chicken attacking you or someone else?
Sat is exactly right about the choking thing with dogs. That is the reason they developed choker collars. The chain type. They pull tighter and tighter as a dog pulls against them which makes it hard to pull away from yet they do not chock from it much. I have heard it is very hard to choke a dog to death.
Good advise , Thanks! we have been thinking of getting our hearts checked out anyway so this is a good reason to do it. We do not normally go to any doctor but we happen to be good friends with a top heart surgeon in our area so we may be giving him a call.