POL "Birther" claims force GOP leaders to take a stand

DelRayMan

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"Birther" claims force GOP leaders to take a stand
By CHARLES BABINGTON, AP

WASHINGTON — It's the conspiracy theory that won't go away. And it's forcing Republican officials and presidential contenders to pick sides: Do they think Barack Obama was born outside the United States and disqualified to be president?

As the Republican candidates tiptoe through the mine field, Democrats are watching. They hope the debate will fire up their liberal base and perhaps tie the eventual GOP nominee to fringe beliefs that swing voters will reject.

In recent days several prominent Republicans have distanced themselves, with varying degrees of emphasis, from the false claim that Obama was born in a foreign country. But with a new poll showing that two-thirds of adult Republicans either embrace the claim or are open to it, nearly all these GOP leaders are not calling for a broader effort to stamp out the allegations.

"It's a real challenge for the Republican Party and virtually every Republican candidate for president," contends Democratic pollster Geoff Garin. If it's not handled well, he said, all-important independent voters might see Republicans as extreme or irrelevant.

Many Americans consider claims of Obama's foreign birth to be preposterous, unworthy of serious debate. Yet the "birther" issue threatens to overshadow the early stages of the GOP effort to choose a presidential nominee for 2012. Real estate mogul Donald Trump has stirred the pot lately, repeatedly saying Obama should provide his original birth certificate.

From a political standpoint, it's impossible to dismiss the matter as conspiratorial fantasy, akin to, say, claims that the 1969 moon landing was staged. In the latest New York Times-CBS News poll, 45 percent of adult Republicans said they believe Obama was born in another country, and 22 percent said they don't know. One-third of Republicans said they believe the president is native born.

The same poll a year ago found considerably less suspicion among Republicans. A plurality of GOP adults then said Obama was U.S.-born, and 32 percent said they believed he was foreign-born.

In the latest poll, about half of all independents said Obama was born in the United States. The other independents were about evenly split between those saying he is foreign-born, and those saying they don't know.

Ten percent of Democrats said Obama was born overseas, and 9 percent were unsure.

Obama's birth certificate indicates he was born in Hawaii in 1961. Newspaper birth announcements at the time reported the birth, and news organizations' investigations have rebutted the birthers' claims. The Constitution says a president must be a "natural born citizen."

Trump's leap to the top tier of potential GOP presidential contenders in recent polls has frustrated party leaders who'd like the birthplace issue to go away.

The House's top Republicans _Speaker John Boehner and Majority Leader Eric Cantor — say they are satisfied that Obama was born in Hawaii. But they have declined to criticize those who state otherwise, and Boehner has said it's not his job to tell Americans what to think.

Trump, meanwhile, keeps fueling the fire. Even though many people doubt he will run for president, he has forced other Republicans to take stands.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania have been the most direct in rejecting the birthers' claims. "I believe the president was born in the United States," Romney told CNBC.

Santorum has no doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii, and he "believes this debate distracts us from the real issues," said his spokeswoman, Virginia Davis.

Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour accepts the president's word about his birthplace, his staff said.

Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty told an Iowa audience, "I'm not one to question the authenticity of Barack Obama's birth certificate." He added a little jab: "When you look at his policies, I do question what planet he's from."

When ABC's George Stephanopoulos showed a copy of Obama's birth certificate to Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, who was ambivalent at first, she said: "Well, then, that should settle it. ... I take the president at his word."

Former vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin gave mixed signals in a recent Fox News appearance. She praised Trump for "paying for researchers" to dig into claims of Obama's foreign birth. But she added, "I think that he was born in Hawaii because there was a birth announcement put in the newspaper."

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee has dismissed claims that Obama is foreign-born, calling them a distraction. But on a February radio show, Huckabee referred to Obama "having grown up in Kenya," the birthplace of the president's father.

Obama grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia. A spokesman said Huckabee's statement was simply a mistake.

Aides to former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said voters have not asked him about the birthplace question and he has not discussed it.

The issue has spread to several states where Republican-controlled legislatures have introduced or passed bills requiring presidential candidates, and sometimes others, to prove their citizenship. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, a Republican, recently vetoed such a bill, calling it "a bridge too far."

Democrats think the birthplace issue might fire up liberals, especially minorities, who in many cases have been dispirited by Obama's frequent compromises with conservatives to pass legislation. Blacks who embraced Obama's barrier-breaking election now see some Republicans claiming he has no constitutional right to be president.

The New York Times-CBS poll was worded in a way that might have subtly encouraged respondents to say Obama is foreign born. "Some people say Barack Obama was NOT born in the United States," the poll's callers said, but they did not offer counter arguments.

Moreover, some pollsters think respondents will seize a chance to call Obama a Muslim or non-citizen to convey something else: a dislike for him or his policies.

"Some people who strongly oppose a person or proposition will take virtually any opportunity to express that antipathy," writes Gary Langer, who polls for ABC News.

Garin, the Democratic pollster, doesn't buy it in this case. The birthers' claims are so prevalent, especially on conservative TV and radio shows, he said, that poll respondents are likely to say what they truly believe about a much-discussed topic.

"There are high- profile people, including Donald Trump and many others in the conservative media, who advocate and validate this point of view each and every day," Garin said. The big question about the birthplace issue, he said, "is the extent to which it drives a wedge within the Republican Party" and turns off independents in November 2012.

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20110422/US.Obama.Birthplace/
 

DelRayMan

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what is wrong with this country. why are so many people just slugging it off as no big deal. probably because there are very few americans that are truly patriotic and fewer that understand what it means to be american.

they are happy rearranging words. a birth certificate is not that same as a certificate of live birth. looks close ahh, who cares, i want to know whos friggin winning on IDOL.

why are our representatives so afraid to even talk about it. sick just so sick and pitiful
 

Publius

On TB every waking moment
what is wrong with this country. why are so many people just slugging it off as no big deal. probably because there are very few americans that are truly patriotic and fewer that understand what it means to be american.

they are happy rearranging words. a birth certificate is not that same as a certificate of live birth. looks close ahh, who cares, i want to know whos friggin winning on IDOL.

why are our representatives so afraid to even talk about it. sick just so sick and pitiful


Thats like that guy that started posting on TB2K this he would like to run for president and did not think it was important to go after the people from past administrations and hold them accountable for their immoral acts and crimes and quote him! He said what's done is done and no sense wasting money on investigations.
 
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Oilpatch Hand

3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
Most of the prominent Republicans quoted in the article indicated that they themselves saw no controversy regarding Barry Soetoro's birthplace.

Having been pretty much shot out of the saddle by every Republican on that score (Trump doesn't count; he's not really a Republican), the author is then left to beg for someone, anyone to shut these "birthers" up.

It's almost as if this author believes there is some GOP mind control device they can engage that will do the trick. Unfortunately, individuals are going to think whatever they want to think, and Barry Soetoro's sinister behavior in concealing nearly all of his background data does nothing to allay suspicion.
 

dogmanan

Inactive
All right DelRayMan you said a big mouth full and right on the point.
People don't care any more for the rule of law that started this country and has keep it alive for all this time.
O well won't matter soon.

later
 

Be Well

may all be well
Most Repubs are capons and/or blackmailed/paid off/part of the same team/ no principles themselves DC insider elites. But the info is coming out and it will become a tsunami.
 

LoomisLady

Membership Revoked
what is wrong with this country. why are so many people just slugging it off as no big deal. probably because there are very few americans that are truly patriotic and fewer that understand what it means to be american.

they are happy rearranging words. a birth certificate is not that same as a certificate of live birth. looks close ahh, who cares, i want to know whos friggin winning on IDOL.

why are our representatives so afraid to even talk about it. sick just so sick and pitiful

Hawaii only issues a Certificate of Live Birth. If it's not acceptable then anyone born in Hawaii is ineligible to become President. Now does that make any sense?
 

Guns-N-Moses

Senior Member
Hawaii only issues a Certificate of Live Birth. If it's not acceptable then anyone born in Hawaii is ineligible to become President. Now does that make any sense?


That may be true (now) but before the law / new rule was enacted we (and barack obama) are bound by the laws that existed when he ran for pres.

Regarding future elections. i would say that it is still a requirement for each party to vet their candidate, so ther forms of proof would be required and/or used.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Hawaii only issues a Certificate of Live Birth. If it's not acceptable then anyone born in Hawaii is ineligible to become President. Now does that make any sense?

Yeah, as of about 2 weeks ago. Before that people born in HI could request long forms. They're covering up for Zero plus their own criminal acts.
 

lectrickitty

Great Great Grandma!
My thinking has been evolving...

I'm starting to think the BC issue is purposely being kept at the top of the list to keep people from questioning some of the other things, like his dual citizenship. Doesn't dual citizenship automatically make someone ineligible to hold the office.

It's possible he was born in Hawaii, but it really doesn't matter, his father was a British subject, which makes him a British subject. Is there any record of him denouncing his British citizenship? Did he lose it when he became an Indonesian citizen?

Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship so he had to have denounced both British and American citizenship to become an Indonesian citizen. So does this mean we have a British or Indonesian instead of an American holding the office???

Doesn't anyone care that even if he is an American citizen, he was raised as a foreigner with his loyalty to foreign countries?

It's becoming more obvious every day that TPTB are NOT going to require proof of eligibility to hold the office of POTUS.

I'd like to see Arnold (and maybe a lot of others) apply for and receive a COLB from Hawaii, then put their names on the ballot. They could claim that if it's good enough for BO then it's good enough for them.

Oh, and lets not forget that BO's sister has a COLB in Hawaii when she was admittedly born in Indonesia. This alone proves that his mother or grandmother applied for and received a COLB for at least one of her children who were born in foreign countries.

Has anyone checked the newspapers to find out if the sisters birth was in them?

Does EVERYONE who was born in Hawaii have both the COLB and the long form BC? Why would anyone want both? Why go to the trouble to apply for and get a certificate of live birth if they have a real birth certificate???
 

Bear

Member
The birth certificate is really a smoke screen to the real issue. BO is not a natural born citizen regardless of where he was born. His father could only convey British citizenship, and his mother was not 18, and therefore could not convey any citizenship. He is ineligible even if he was born in Omaha. All they're doing with the birth certificate is using it as a carrot to the so-called "birthers" so that they can be easily marginalized to the average, drive-by media, lazy, chicken nugget-eating, brainwashed American. O is not eligible to hold the office of President since he is not a natural born citizen period. There is a BIG difference between natural born, and naturalized, which he may be. It doesn't really matter where he was born...
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If you request a copy of your "birth certificate" in Hawaii, the document that you get is a certification of live birth. The state does not give you the original.

Where’s the original birth certificate?

Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health, says she has personally viewed the president's original vital records and verified that he was born in Hawaii.

Former Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle, a Republican, has been quoted as saying, "I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records at the Department of Health. We issued a news release at the time saying the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that is just a fact."

Newspaper birth announcement

The announcement of Obama's birth appeared in the Honolulu Advertiser on August 13, 1961, and a day later in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin: “Mr. And Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4.”

Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo told the Star-Advertiser in July 2009 that vital statistics such as birth announcements were sent to the newspapers by the Health Department, which received the information from the hospital. These announcements were not sent in by the general public, Okubu said.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/15/debunking-the-birther-claim/?iref=allsearch
 

Guns-N-Moses

Senior Member
The birth certificate is really a smoke screen to the real issue. BO is not a natural born citizen regardless of where he was born. His father could only convey British citizenship, and his mother was not 18, and therefore could not convey any citizenship. He is ineligible even if he was born in Omaha. All they're doing with the birth certificate is using it as a carrot to the so-called "birthers" so that they can be easily marginalized to the average, drive-by media, lazy, chicken nugget-eating, brainwashed American. O is not eligible to hold the office of President since he is not a natural born citizen period. There is a BIG difference between natural born, and naturalized, which he may be. It doesn't really matter where he was born...

^^^ This!
 

Nana

Senior Member
Bear,

This is what I yell at the TV every time someone says "his mother was a citizen", he was born in Hawaii", "I believe he's a citizen". He can be a citizen but not a Natural Born Citizen! They don't know the difference.
 

John H

Inactive
They can say what they want, but it's a festering sore that will not go away for Obama, the Democrats and the Republicans for that matter.

Only exposure to the open air and disinfecting it will get rid of it.

John H
 

Bear

Member
I personally do not believe that he was born here. However, I do think that it is very possible that they will produce a long form birth certificate sometime just before the '12 election. Whether real or contrived, it will be used to cause "birthers", and probably the leading challenger to O to look absolutely ridiculous. It will cause the "birthers" to seem to be exactly what the MSM WANTS them to be. O is really not electable without creating a false flag boogeyman so to speak. In 2008 it was "anything other than Bush". In 2012 it will be that the challengers, and probably Tea Party will have been easily led by the snout by the hook in their nose to the trap that has been awaiting them since their inception.

Does anybody see what's going on here? Every election the opposing side is made to be so ravenous and frothing at the mouth, that they will vote for ANYTHING other than what's in there. Every President is a couple more steps down the road to tyranny because half the population will allow them to do whatever they want, and not hold them accountable because the party system has become like rooting for your favorite sports team. "Do anything you want as long as it flies in the face of the 'liberals' (or 'neocons' if you're a lib)". Meanwhile, the Patriot Act that was created by Bush is re-upped by O. While O promised out of the sandbox, we're now involved in THREE ground wars, and heading for a fourth. The next guy or gal that we elect who is flying the red flag will be an extreme right-wing fascist dictator who takes away more of your so-called "rights", all in the name of security. Does Daniel 8:25 ring a bell? "And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify [himself] in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many." We will keep bouncing back and forth between socialist and fascist with each Presidential election, with each being more and more extreme.

People, please do yourself a favor and stop focusing on the birth certificate. The certificate is NOT the issue. NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP is the issue. If you are focusing on the birth certificate now, and in October of 2012, they produce one, then what are you going to do? He is not a natural born citizen, nor can he ever be. He is not eligible, period. The funny thing is, the natural born citizenship issue surfaced in the 2008 election. It just was focused on McCain.

It's getting late, and it's getting serious. Learn the laws. The vast majority of us have tightened the noose around our own necks because we're too lazy to read the fine print. Therefore, we sign our names on a legally binding contract and are cinched...myself included. Learn why your name appears in ALL CAPS ON EVERY SINGLE LEGAL DOCUMENT. That's because it is a corporately created person who acts on your behalf, that you approve of by signing your name on the dotted line. That person has no rights because they belong to the corporate Empire of The United States of America, a corporation based in Delaware, USA. Ask a judge why they fly a flag with the gold fringe in their courtroom. People, we have no rights because we've signed them all away. We don't even elect the President anyways. Our votes are simply a suggestion. The Electoral College elects the President, not you or me. This would all be funny if it weren't true...
 
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Dan the Power Man

Senior Member
I sure hope the GOP doesn't make a red herring issue like this a big deal. They need to focus on finding a viable candidate that I as a lifelong Republican can be confident in voting for.

Donald Trump and Sarah Palin simply are unqualified for the position. And any GOP candidate dumb enough to raise the birther nonsense as a legitmate issue likely won't get my vote--there are many more pressing issues facing this country.
 

Oilpatch Hand

3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
I sure hope the GOP doesn't make a red herring issue like this a big deal. They need to focus on finding a viable candidate that I as a lifelong Republican can be confident in voting for.

Donald Trump and Sarah Palin simply are unqualified for the position. And any GOP candidate dumb enough to raise the birther nonsense as a legitmate issue likely won't get my vote--there are many more pressing issues facing this country.

It would be a pretty thin political platform for the GOP...especially considering the enormous amount of ammunition Soetoro has given them in the form of his abject incompetence. Just the 2009 stimulus plan alone, where he spent $1 trillion in an effort which eventually lost 5 to 6 million private sector jobs would serve as a better bludgeon than the issue of his murky background. The health insurance legislation, which he advertised as lowering overall health care costs, but which has in fact increased them, is another. The GM-Chrysler bailouts, which he claimed would be cost-neutral to the taxpayers, will end up costing the Treasury tens of billions.

Let's face facts: We may never know who this interloper was or is, but we do know that he's been an astoundingly bad President. However legitimate the questions about his origins may be, they shouldn't overshadow his stunningly poor record of performance. Why, you'd probably get more political mileage highlighting Soetoro's role as Labor-Racketeer-in-Chief than you would this birth certificate issue.
 

Y2kO

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Hawaii only issues a Certificate of Live Birth. If it's not acceptable then anyone born in Hawaii is ineligible to become President. Now does that make any sense?

Hawaii also issues standard birth certificates signed by the delivering physician, with the name of the hospital, etc., etc. -- and always has. Hawaii issues whatever they have on file. They just don't have it for Obama because it was never filed there.
 

Y2kO

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what is wrong with this country. why are so many people just slugging it off as no big deal. probably because there are very few americans that are truly patriotic and fewer that understand what it means to be american.

I've been asking this question for at least 10 years. And most of our representatives are totally bought and paid for. They ALL need to be removed from office (except Ron Paul).
 

ARMY RANGER

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His mother would have had to live in the US 5 years prior to her 18 birthday which she did not,and according to the laws in 1961 that makes him not a natural born citizen thus ineligible to be president!! Treason for him and for all those who knew his status and did nothing to stop his election.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.-
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
His mother would have had to live in the US 5 years prior to her 18 birthday which she did not,and according to the laws in 1961 that makes him not a natural born citizen thus ineligible to be president!!

IF he had not been born in Hawaii....

I'm unaware that Obamas's mom lived outside the US in the 5 years prior to her 18th birthday. Where did she live?
 

Disciple

Veteran Member
Yes I just sarted looking at the Natural Born Citizen thing. Thats were its at. I dont think Trump will be so dumb to miss it once he starts collecting evidence on it.
 

TerriHaute

Hoosier Gardener
Hawaii only issues a Certificate of Live Birth. If it's not acceptable then anyone born in Hawaii is ineligible to become President. Now does that make any sense?

??? Not sure where you heard that but it is inaccurate. Hawaii does issue long form birth certificates, they are required to get a passport.
 
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