DISASTER Fukushima Reactor Disaster: MAIN THREAD - Five Year Anniversary

It'sJustMe

Deceased
This article gives more details on the #1 temperature rise today, MM and more. Fair use:

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/80389.html

Restoration work at Fukushima nuke plant faces challenges

TOKYO, March 23, Kyodo

Work to restore power and vital cooling functions at the troubled reactors of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant stricken by the March 11 powerful quake and tsunami has encountered difficulties, such as a rise in a reactor's temperature and detection of high-level radiation, the government's nuclear agency said Wednesday.

All six reactors at the crisis-hit plant were reconnected to external power as of Tuesday night. Despite the positive move, the temperature in the No. 1 reactor vessel briefly topped 400 C degrees, requiring large amounts of seawater injected into the reactor to cool it down, according to the agency.

Hidehiko Nishiyama, spokesman for the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, said high-level radiation amounting to 500 millisievert per hour was detected at the No. 2 reactor's turbine building a couple of days ago, which is preventing workers from trying to restore electricity at a control room.

The plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. also said two workers who had been installing a makeshift power source from Tuesday night were injured and taken to hospital, but they were not exposed to radiation.

Meanwhile, water-spraying operations to cool down a spent nuclear fuel pool at the No. 4 reactor continued, using trucks with a concrete squeeze pump and a 50-meter arm capable of pouring water from a higher point. Firefighters will shoot massive amounts of water at the No. 3 reactor's fuel pool in the afternoon, the agency said.

Now that the reactors are reconnected to an external power grid and lighting in the No. 3 reactor's control room is restored, workers are focusing on transmitting power to each piece of equipment, such as data measuring instruments and feed-water pumps, after carefully examining its condition.

Regaining functions in the control rooms are thought to allow for more intensive work to help bring the crisis under control, as operators at present cannot remain in the rooms for long hours due to high radiation levels and power outages.

The nuclear agency said the utility firm aims to restore a pump by Thursday to inject freshwater into the core of the No. 3 reactor, instead of seawater that has currently been poured using fire pumps.

As of 10 a.m. Wednesday, the temperature of the No. 1 reactor vessel dropped to 390 C degrees, but it was still above the maximum temperature of 302 C degrees set by its designer. To deal with the situation, the utility known as TEPCO had increased the amount of water injected into the reactor by 9 times.

Nishiyama said the reactor vessel is not expected to start melting at these temperatures, and that TEPCO will carefully continue to inject massive amounts of water into the No. 1 reactor so as not to raise the pressure in the reactor.

High pressure in the reactor increases the risk of damage to the facility, and workers would be required to release radioactive steam from the reactor to lower the pressure.

As part of routine monitoring activities, helicopters of the Self-Defense Forces examined temperatures at the Fukushima nuclear power station Wednesday morning.

After the March 11 earthquake and massive tsunami knocked out power at the plant, the cooling functions failed at the No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 reactors, while the pools storing spent nuclear fuel at the No. 1, No. 2, No. 3 and No. 4 units have also lost all their cooling functions.

==Kyodo
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
Getting the power back on is important but it is does not solve all the problems. You have to imagine that there was a lot of damage to pipes, valves, pumps, etc that still has to be repaired. In fact, there are now articles saying so.

So this is still an ongoing problem, although at least they are making some headway now.

http://www.kimt.com/news/world/stor...ans-nuclear-plant/n3-h2Q-yxEOsUmNLkLnPbA.cspx
(fair use applies) EXCERPT

Officials are racing to restore electricity to Japan's leaking nuclear plant, but getting the power flowing will hardly be the end of their battle: With its mangled machinery and partly melted reactor cores, bringing the complex under control is a monstrous job.

Restoring the power to all six units at the tsunami-damaged complex is key, because it will, in theory, drive the maze of motors, valves and switches that help deliver cooling water to the overheated reactor cores and spent fuel pools that are leaking radiation.

Ideally, officials believe it should only take a day to get the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear under control once the cooling systems are up and running. But it could take days or weeks to get those systems working.

"We have experienced a very huge disaster that has caused very large damage at a nuclear power generation plant on a scale that we had not expected," Hidehiko Nishiyama, deputy director general of Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, told reporters late Monday.

The nuclear plant's cooling systems were wrecked by the massive earthquake and tsunami that devastated northeastern Japan on March 11.

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In another setback, the plant's operator said Monday it had just discovered that some of the cooling system's key pumps at the complex's troubled Unit 2 are no longer functional — meaning replacements have to be brought in. Tokyo Electric Power Co. said it placed emergency orders for new pumps, but it was unclear how long it would take for them to arrive.

If officials can get the power turned on, get the replacement pumps working and get enough seawater into the reactors and spent fuel pools, it would only take a day to bring the temperatures back to a safe, cooling stage, said Ryohei Shiomi, an official with the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.


See also:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor..._hooked_up_officials_caution_that_more_w.html
(fair use applies) EXCERPT

Power lines were successfully hooked up to all six of Japan's crippled nuclear reactors Tuesday, but officials said more work is needed before they can be switched on.

The plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power Company, said workers still need to check pumps, motors and other systems before electricity can be returned to the damaged plant.

Engineers said it would take several more days to replace damaged pumps and vent volatile gases at the leaking reactors before the system can be brought back on-line.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
A youtube video of a tour inside a similar although much newer plant. Gives you an idea of how huge those places are, and how much stuff there is in those buildings that has to be checked before they can turn the power back on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1P6Q1e6gCg
Mar 21, 2011

In August 2007, IDG News Service was invited to the Kashiwazaki Kariwa nuclear power station. This video provides a rare glimpse at the inside of the world's largest nuclear power plant.
 

mslucky

Inactive
NEWS ADVISORY: Details on smoke from Fukushima reactor still unknown: TEPCO (16:37)
NEWS ADVISORY: Workers evacuate from Fukushima Daiichi's No. 3 reactor due to black smoke (16:36)
NEWS ADVISORY: Black smoke seen rising from Fukushima Daiichi's No. 3 reactor (16:33) english.kyodonews.jp

http://english.kyodonews.jp/
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
http://twitter.com/martyn_williams

Workers evacuated as a precaution. Cause of smoke still unknown - TEPCO

NEWS ADVISORY: Details on smoke from Fukushima reactor still unknown: TEPCO - Kyodo

@tokyotimes Me too. First time since quake. Had to settle for some low fat, high Calcium blend but at least it's milk!

NEWS ADVISORY: Black smoke seen rising from Fukushima Daiichi's No. 3 reactor, workers evacuate - Kyodo

Little old lady just RAN past me into the supermarket and made straight for the bottled water section.

No Fukushima milk here http://twitpic.com/4ccrsi

NEWS ADVISORY: Economic impact much bigger than in 1995 Hanshin quake: Yosano - Kyodo

RT @stevenagata: Information on the radioactive iodine found in water in English now on NHK World http://bit.ly/e0LYBv

Radioactive Iodine in Tokyo water at 210bg/l on Tues, prelim Wed at 190bq/l. Limit for infants 100bq/l; adults 300bq/l http://bit.ly/ijZCF8

@newtownenglish http://bit.ly/hqbPbR

Other purification plants have not shown same level of radiation, but caution on children drinking extends to all 23 wards - Tokyo govt

Radiation was detected only at Kanamachi water purification plant, in Katsushika-ku. Takes water from Tonegawa, Edogawa rivers - Tokyo govt

Tokyo tap water details currently being provided in news conference, more soon

RT @REUTERSFLASH: Radiation found in a Tokyo city water purifier - NHK

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...ing-nuke-plant/2011/03/22/ABhMk3EB_story.html

more "don't know the reason for smoke" ....
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
Reading elsewhere ppl watching TV hearing Japan saying they cannot read radiation levels so are guessing using simulations which are not accurate ... they don't have the money for reading equipment ... I don't watch TV so if you've heard this please verify.

Obvious this thing is out of control, been out of control since March 11 and .govs lying their a**es off to keep the sheeple grazing without making any moves to save ppl. Radiation keeps spewing contaminating more and more. Anybody who thinks that's not a problem and will disappear by next week is pathetically ignorant.

They should have evacuated Japan starting March 11, made it their total priority to save their ppl.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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Didn't see this posted,

Two workers at Fukushima nuclear plant injured while working on power restoration - Kyodo
about 9 hours ago via web
 

Brutus

Inactive
Cascadians said:
Obvious this thing is out of control

The hyperbole doesn't help and certainly doesn't accomplish anything, Casc.

If this thing was truly out of control the workers that are trying to fix it would probably be dead already, on-site, not weeks or months later from radiation sickness/poisoning.

:rolleyes:
 

VesperSparrow

Goin' where the lonely go
Reading elsewhere ppl watching TV hearing Japan saying they cannot read radiation levels so are guessing using simulations which are not accurate ... they don't have the money for reading equipment ... I don't watch TV so if you've heard this please verify.

Obvious this thing is out of control, been out of control since March 11 and .govs lying their a**es off to keep the sheeple grazing without making any moves to save ppl. Radiation keeps spewing contaminating more and more. Anybody who thinks that's not a problem and will disappear by next week is pathetically ignorant.

They should have evacuated Japan starting March 11, made it their total priority to save their ppl.

Totally agree...even if it meant taking them to the Southwestern most parts of the country...it woulda bought many at least a little time to make plans...I'm sure many more would've refused to leave, wanting to stay and help or seek out loved ones, but those who wished to leave could have...now its too late for them and if this did anything for me, it just sealed the fact (which I already knew) that you never NEVER trust the government...no matter what gov it is...
 
Neutron beam observed 13 times at crippled Fukushima nuke plant

TOKYO, March 23, Kyodo

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/80539.html

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Wednesday it has observed a neutron beam, a kind of radioactive ray, 13 times on the premises of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant after it was crippled by the massive March 11 quake-tsunami disaster.

TEPCO, the operator of the nuclear plant, said the neutron beam measured about 1.5 kilometers southwest of the plant's No. 1 and 2 reactors over three days from March 13 and is equivalent to 0.01 to 0.02 microsieverts per hour and that this is not a dangerous level.

The utility firm said it will measure uranium and plutonium, which could emit a neutron beam, as well.

In the 1999 criticality accident at a nuclear fuel processing plant run by JCO Co. in Tokaimura, Ibaraki Prefecture, uranium broke apart continually in nuclear fission, causing a massive amount of neutron beams.

In the latest case at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, such a criticality accident has yet to happen.

But the measured neutron beam may be evidence that uranium and plutonium leaked from the plant's nuclear reactors and spent nuclear fuels have discharged a small amount of neutron beams through nuclear fission.

==Kyodo
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
Neutron Beams! More on that later.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nuclear-energy-promoter-apologises/story-fn84naht-1226027028746
The Times March 24, 2011 12:00AM

Nuclear energy promoter apologises

The pro-nuclear chairman of Japan's atomic watchdog has called for a worldwide review of the nuclear energy industry after admitting that mistakes had been made in the design of the Fukushima power plant.

In comments that will provide ammunition for anti-nuclear campaigners, Haruki Madarame said assumptions behind the building of the now dangerously radioactive nuclear plant had been wrong and global safety guidelines for the industry should be reconsidered.

His admission and accompanying apology represented a U-turn from an individual who has advised the Japanese government on nuclear matters for 30 years and chaired its Nuclear Safety Commission since April last year.

"As a person who promoted nuclear power, I have a personal feeling of apology," he said.
 
TOKYO, March 23, Kyodo

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/80539.html

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Wednesday it has observed a neutron beam, a kind of radioactive ray, 13 times on the premises of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant after it was crippled by the massive March 11 quake-tsunami disaster.

TEPCO, the operator of the nuclear plant, said the neutron beam measured about 1.5 kilometers southwest of the plant's No. 1 and 2 reactors over three days from March 13 and is equivalent to 0.01 to 0.02 microsieverts per hour and that this is not a dangerous level.

The utility firm said it will measure uranium and plutonium, which could emit a neutron beam, as well.

In the 1999 criticality accident at a nuclear fuel processing plant run by JCO Co. in Tokaimura, Ibaraki Prefecture, uranium broke apart continually in nuclear fission, causing a massive amount of neutron beams.

In the latest case at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, such a criticality accident has yet to happen.

But the measured neutron beam may be evidence that uranium and plutonium leaked from the plant's nuclear reactors and spent nuclear fuels have discharged a small amount of neutron beams through nuclear fission.

==Kyodo


They don't mention this in that article, but the observations were between the 12th and the 14th, and none have been detected since.

(sorry only Japanese source: http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/national/news/20110323-OYT1T00534.htm?from=navr)
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
The hyperbole doesn't help and certainly doesn't accomplish anything, Casc.

If this thing was truly out of control the workers that are trying to fix it would probably be dead already, on-site, not weeks or months later from radiation sickness/poisoning.

:rolleyes:


The problem here is ...we don't know if the workers are dying and they are sending in fresh ones.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/23/japan.nuclear.embassies/index.html

"There are 25 embassies which either temporary shut down or moved its function outside of Tokyo," Foreign Ministry spokesman Hidenori Sobashima told CNN. Seven of those 25 have moved to cities such as Osaka, Hiroshima and Kobe, Sobashima said.

Those closing or moving included embassies from five European countries, including Germany and Switzerland; 14 African countries, including Kenya, Nigeria and Ghana; and four from Latin America.
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/ja...reactor-no-2-its-highest-level-recorded-so-fa

Per the Japan Nuclear Agency: the Radiation level at Fukushima reactor No. 2 at its highest level recorded so far. From Reuters: "Radiation at the crippled Fukushima No.2 nuclear reactor was recorded at the highest level since the start of the crisis, Japan's nuclear safety agency said on Wednesday. An agency spokesman said 500 millisieverts per hour of radiation was measured at the No.2 unit on Wednesday. Engineers have been trying to fix the plant's cooling system after restoring lighting on Tuesday." .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....

You don't get neutron beams from random bits of fuel lying around. This was a criticality accident.
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Radiation: 163,000 becquerels of radioactive cesium-137 per kilogram of soil has been detected in Iitate Village, about 40 kilometers northwest of the plant.

163,000 becquerels of CS-137 (distance used is 1cm as your feet are in contact with it)

Gamma Emissions: .1245 mSvr/Hr (Gamma @ 1cm). 20mSv/week. 543 mSv in six months. 1.08 Sv/year (108 Rem)

Beta Emissions : 22 mrad/hour, 3696 mrads/ week, 96 Rads in six months. 200 RADS / year



Cesium-137 half life: 30 YEARS

Effects

0.25 – 1 Sv (250 – 1000 mSv): Some people feel nausea and loss of appetite; bone marrow, lymph nodes, spleen damaged.

1 – 3 Sv (1000 – 3000 mSv): Mild to severe nausea, loss of appetite, infection; more severe bone marrow, lymph node, spleen damage; recovery probable, not assured.

Source: http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/23_28.html
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Neutron beams...

Wikipedia: "Due to the high kinetic energy of neutrons, this radiation is considered to be the most severe and dangerous radiation available."

Free neutrons are captured by all sorts of other atoms, and frequently create additional radionuclides.

Containment vessel breached (cracked?). fission product of Uranium and/or Plutonium coming out. The candle is lit people.
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The beam of neutrons is obtained by drilling a hole in the side of a nuclear reactor. The energetic neutrons created in nuclear fission escape through the hole.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/410964/neutron-beam
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From the last surviving Chernobyl cleanup worker, when asked:

What message do you have for Japan?


"Run away as quickly as possible. Don't wait. Save yourself and don't rely on the government because the government lies. They don't want you to know the truth because the nuclear industry is so powerful."
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There is no special like the BLUE LIGHT SPECIAL when plutonium or uranium go critical and start a fission chain reaction. The blue light emitted at the start of the process is accompanied by those pesky neutrons. Recall that enhanced radiation bombs that kill humans but leave infrastructure intact are called "neutron bombs". Duck and cover doesn't cut it, even inside a tank with 12 inches of armored steel. Neutrons have a short half-life, so it is "safe" in a short while to visit the irradiated zone. Kmart will never be the same.
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"Neutrons also degrade materials; bombardment of materials with neutrons creates collision cascades that can produce point defects and dislocations in the materials. At high neutron fluences this can lead to embrittlement of metals and other materials, and to swelling of some of them. This poses a problem for nuclear reactor vessels, and significantly limits their lifetime (which can be somewhat prolonged by controlled annealing of the vessel, reducing the number of the built-up dislocations)."

No need for a hand drill to get a neutron beam from a reator vessel. Neutrons eventually bore through anything.
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We interrupt the MSM's NON coverage of this story to announce that Liz Taylor has passed away
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This article is complete gibberish. It sounds like maybe some physicist jotted down some measurements of radiation observed, then handed the paper to a chain of PR hacks, marketters and political spin masters. Who performed a kind of politically correct Chinese Whispers on it. Then the result was fed through several language translations.

It's not even self-consistent. Was the measurement made "on the premises of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant" or "about 1.5 kilometers southwest of the plant's No. 1 and 2 reactors"? And if the latter, why mention 1 & 2, but not 3 & 4, which are closer (to the southwest)?

Next, saying 'beam', and 1.5 Km away is senseless. A 'beam' is a collimated stream of particles (ie all travelling in the same direction.) Hence usages like 'laser beam'. A particle accellerator can make a 'beam' (though not of neutrons as far as I'm aware, since neutrons are electrically neutral, which means there's no way to focus and steer them.) A pile of fuel rods definitely can't make a 'beam', it can only radiate neutrons more or less in all directions.

Neutrons have only one parameter of interest - their energy. Neutrons emitted by the breakdown of unstable isotopes are 'fast', (literally, travelling fast), with energies measured in millions of electron-volts. Fast neutrons travel in a straight line except when they impact the nuclei of atoms, which they can cause to shatter. As the fast neutron strikes numerous atoms on its path it loses energy and slows down. Once slowed down to the point where its energy is similar to the thermal energy of surrounding atoms, it is called a 'thermal neutron'. At this energy it becomes much more likely to merge with the nucleus of an atom it impacts. Both the shatterings and mergings with atoms can create unstable isotopes, and this process is called 'neutron activation' of materials exposed to neutron fluxes.

Trying to reverse the gibberish filter of that article, I'd guess the term 'beam' derived from a mention of neutrons that travel in straight lines. Implying it originally was taking about 'fast neutrons'. And so we come to the sentence:
"The utility firm said it will measure uranium and plutonium, which could emit a neutron beam, as well."
This cinches it. What was originally meant was that they had an instrument sensitive to fast neutrons, and it registered counts. In a normal environment this is extremely unusual, unless... there are particles of isotopes around that decay by emission of fast neutrons. Such as some of the isotopes of uranium and plutonium. And so now they are going to look for those.

It's scary really. They are next to four broken reactors, ALL of which are emitting radioactive clouds from various pools of burning fuel and at least one breached reactor core, and they are saying that now it occurs to them to try measuring the amount of uranium and plutonium in the air. Not because they are looking at four smoking blown up reactors, but because they found 13 counts of fast neutrons 1.5 Km away from the reactor ruins. So someone writes this bit of genius deduction down, and then it gets passed through a monkey-chain, who garble it into senselessness. Then that is passed out as an official release of the Tokyo Electric Power Company.

God help us all.
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It's not even self-consistent. Was the measurement made "on the premises of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant" or "about 1.5 kilometers southwest of the plant's No. 1 and 2 reactors"? And if the latter, why mention 1 & 2, but not 3 & 4, which are closer (to the southwest)?

The power plant is big... like really big. The measurements were made near the main gate:

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Next, saying 'beam', and 1.5 Km away is senseless. A 'beam' is a collimated stream of particles (ie all travelling in the same direction.) Hence usages like 'laser beam'. A particle accellerator can make a 'beam' (though not of neutrons as far as I'm aware, since neutrons are electrically neutral, which means there's no way to focus and steer them.) A pile of fuel rods definitely can't make a 'beam', it can only radiate neutrons more or less in all directions.

The Japanese say "neutron beam" when we say "neutron radiation"
 
FWIW:
Per the Japan Nuclear Agency: the Radiation level at Fukushima reactor No. 2 at its highest level recorded so far. From Reuters: "Radiation at the crippled Fukushima No.2 nuclear reactor was recorded at the highest level since the start of the crisis, Japan's nuclear safety agency said on Wednesday. An agency spokesman said 500 millisieverts per hour of radiation was measured at the No.2 unit on Wednesday. Engineers have been trying to fix the plant's cooling system after restoring lighting on Tuesday.

Reuters corrected the story, it's microsiverts, not milliseverts: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/03/23/uk-japan-plant-radiation-idUKTRE72M3IB20110323
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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From Wiki,

Neutron radiation is a kind of ionizing radiation which consists of free neutrons. A result of nuclear fission or nuclear fusion, it consists of the release of free neutrons from both stable molecules and isotopes, and these free neutrons react with nuclei of other stable molecules to form new isotopes of previously non-isotopic molecules, which in turn produce radiation. This will result in a chain reaction of nuclear radiation, which makes radiation dangerous and harmful over great areas of space.

Health hazards and protection.

In health physics neutron radiation is considered a fourth radiation hazard alongside the other types of radiation. Another, sometimes more severe hazard of neutron radiation, is neutron activation, the ability of neutron radiation to induce radioactivity in most substances it encounters, including the body tissues of the workers themselves. This occurs through the capture of neutrons by atomic nuclei, which are transformed to another nuclide, frequently a radionuclide. This process accounts for much of the radioactive material released by the detonation of a nuclear weapon. It is also a problem in nuclear fission and nuclear fusion installations, as it gradually renders the equipment radioactive; eventually the hardware must be replaced and disposed of as low-level radioactive waste.

Neutron radiation protection relies on radiation shielding. In comparison with conventional ionizing radiation based on photons or charged particles, neutrons are repeatedly bounced and slowed (absorbed) by light nuclei, so a large mass of hydrogen-rich material is needed. Neutrons readily pass through most material, but interact enough to cause biological damage. Due to the high kinetic energy of neutrons, this radiation is considered to be the most severe and dangerous radiation available. The most effective materials are e.g. water, polyethylene, paraffin wax, or concrete, where a considerable amount of water molecules are chemically bound to the cement. The light atoms serve to slow down the neutrons by elastic scattering, so they can then be absorbed by nuclear reactions. However, gamma radiation is often produced in such reactions, so additional shielding has to be provided to absorb it.

Because the neutrons that strike the hydrogen nucleus (proton, or deuteron) impart energy to that nucleus, they in turn will break from their chemical bonds and travel a short distance, before stopping. Those protons and deuterons are high linear energy transfer particles, and are in turn stopped by ionization of the material through which they travel. Consequently, in living tissue, neutrons have a relatively high relative biological effectiveness, and are roughly ten times more effective at causing cancers or LD-50s compared to photon or beta radiation of equivalent radiation exposure.
 
Run Away as Quickly as Possible

Chernobyl Cleanup Survivor's Message for Japan: 'Run Away as Quickly as Possible'
Mar 22, 2011 – 1:23 PM

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/22/chernobyl-cleanup-survivors-message-for-japan-run-away-as-qui/


Natalia Manzurova, one of the few survivors among those directly involved in the long cleanup of Chernobyl, was a 35-year-old engineer at a nuclear plant in Ozersk, Russia, in April 1986 when she and 13 other scientists were told to report to the wrecked, burning plant in the northern Ukraine.

It was just four days after the world's biggest nuclear disaster spewed enormous amounts of radiation into the atmosphere and forced the evacuation of 100,000 people.

Manzurova and her colleagues were among the roughly 800,000 "cleaners" or "liquidators" in charge of the removal and burial of all the contamination in what's still called the dead zone.

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Natalia Manzurova, shown here in 1988 in the "dead zone" of the Pripyat, is one of the relatively few survivors among those directly involved in the cleanup of Chernobyl.
She spent 4 1/2 years helping clean the abandoned town of Pripyat, which was less than two miles from the Chernobyl reactors. The plant workers lived there before they were abruptly evacuated.

Manzurova, now 59 and an advocate for radiation victims worldwide, has the "Chernobyl necklace" -- a scar on her throat from the removal of her thyroid -- and myriad health problems. But unlike the rest of her team members, who she said have all died from the results of radiation poisoning, and many other liquidators, she's alive.

AOL News spoke with Manzurova about the nuclear disaster in Japan with the help of a translator on the telephone Monday from Vermont. Manzurova, who still lives in Ozersk, was beginning a one-week informational tour of the U.S. organized by the Beyond Nuclear watchdog group.

AOL News: What was your first reaction when you heard about Fukushima?
Manzurova: It felt like déjà vu. I felt so worried for the people of Japan and the children especially. I know the experience that awaits them.

But experts say Fukushima is not as bad as Chernobyl.
Every nuclear accident is different, and the impact cannot be truly measured for years. The government does not always tell the truth. Many will never return to their homes. Their lives will be divided into two parts: before and after Fukushima. They'll worry about their health and their children's health. The government will probably say there was not that much radiation and that it didn't harm them. And the government will probably not compensate them for all that they've lost. What they lost can't be calculated.

What message do you have for Japan?
Run away as quickly as possible. Don't wait. Save yourself and don't rely on the government because the government lies. They don't want you to know the truth because the nuclear industry is so powerful.


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Natalia Manzurova, now 59, has suffered a variety of ailments since she worked at Chernobyl, but she says she is the only member of her team still alive.

When you were called to go to Chernobyl, did you know how bad it was there?
I had no idea and never knew the true scope until much later. It was all covered in secrecy. I went there as a professional because I was told to -- but if I was asked to liquidate such an accident today, I'd never agree. The sacrifices the Fukushima workers are making are too high because the nuclear industry was developed in such a way that the executives don't hold themselves accountable to the human beings who have to clean up a disaster. It's like nuclear slavery.

What was your first impression of Chernobyl?
It was like a war zone where a neutron bomb had gone off. I always felt I was in the middle of a war where the enemy was invisible. All the houses and buildings were intact with all the furniture, but there wasn't a single person left. Just deep silence everywhere. Sometimes I felt I was the only person alive on a strange planet. There are really no words to describe it.

What did your work as a liquidator entail?
First, we measured radiation levels and got vegetation samples to see how high the contamination was. Then bulldozers dug holes in the ground and we buried everything -- houses, animals, everything. There were some wild animals that were still alive, and we had to kill them and put them in the holes.

Were any pets left in the houses?
The people had only a few hours to leave, and they weren't allowed to take their dogs or cats with them. The radiation stays in animals' fur and they can't be cleaned, so they had to be abandoned. That's why people were crying when they left. All the animals left behind in the houses were like dried-out mummies. But we found one dog that was still alive.

Where did you find the dog and how did he survive?
We moved into a former kindergarten to use as a laboratory and we found her lying in one of the children's cots there. Her legs were all burned from the radiation and she was half blind. Her eyes were all clouded from the radiation. She was slowly dying.

Were you able to rescue her?
No. Right after we moved in, she disappeared. And this is the amazing part. A month later we found her in the children's ward of the (abandoned) hospital. She was dead. She was lying in a child's bed, the same size bed we found her in the kindergarten. Later we found out that she loved children very much and was always around them.

How did working in the dead zone begin to affect your health?
I started to feel as if I had the flu. I would get a high temperature and start to shiver. What happens during first contact with radiation is that your good flora is depleted and the bad flora starts to flourish. I suddenly wanted to sleep all the time and eat a lot. It was the organism getting all the energy out.

How much radiation were you subjected to?
We were never told. We wore dosimeters which measured radiation and we submitted them to the bosses, but they never gave us the results.

But didn't you realize the danger and want to leave?
Yes, I knew the danger. All sorts of things happened. One colleague stepped into a rainwater pool and the soles of his feet burned off inside his boots. But I felt it was my duty to stay. I was like a firefighter. Imagine if your house was burning and the firemen came and then left because they thought it was too dangerous.

When did you discover the thyroid tumor?
They found it during a routine medical inspection after I had worked there several years. It turned out to be benign. I don't know when it started to develop. I had an operation to remove half the thyroid gland. The tumor grew back, and last year I had the other half removed. I live on (thyroid) hormones now.


Why did you go back to Chernobyl after getting a thyroid tumor?
Right around the time of my operation, the government passed a law saying the liquidators had to work for exactly 4 1/2 years to get our pension and retire. If you left even one day early, you would not get any benefits.

Really? That seems beyond cruel.
It's why the nuclear industry is dangerous. They want to deny the dangers. They kept changing the law about what benefits we'd get because if they admitted how much we were affected, it would look bad for the industry. Now we hardly get any benefits.

Did your health worsen after you finally finished work at Chernobyl?
I was basically disabled at 43. I was having fits similar to epileptic fits. My blood pressure was sky high. It was hard to work for more than six months a year. The doctors didn't know what to do with me. They wanted to put me in a psychiatric ward and call me crazy. Finally they admitted it was because of the radiation.

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1989 - I met this woman in Pripyat. She was then working around a greenhouse. They were studying the how certain plants were impacted by contamination. I found it amazing that she'd actually have to work daily in the forbidden zone.

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MickeyMouse

Inactive
This article gives more details on the #1 temperature rise today, MM and more. Fair use:

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/80389.html

Restoration work at Fukushima nuke plant faces challenges

TOKYO, March 23, Kyodo

Work to restore power and vital cooling functions at the troubled reactors of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant stricken by the March 11 powerful quake and tsunami has encountered difficulties, such as a rise in a reactor's temperature and detection of high-level radiation, the government's nuclear agency said Wednesday.

All six reactors at the crisis-hit plant were reconnected to external power as of Tuesday night. Despite the positive move, the temperature in the No. 1 reactor vessel briefly topped 400 C degrees, requiring large amounts of seawater injected into the reactor to cool it down, according to the agency.

Hidehiko Nishiyama, spokesman for the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, said high-level radiation amounting to 500 millisievert per hour was detected at the No. 2 reactor's turbine building a couple of days ago, which is preventing workers from trying to restore electricity at a control room.

The plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. also said two workers who had been installing a makeshift power source from Tuesday night were injured and taken to hospital, but they were not exposed to radiation.

Meanwhile, water-spraying operations to cool down a spent nuclear fuel pool at the No. 4 reactor continued, using trucks with a concrete squeeze pump and a 50-meter arm capable of pouring water from a higher point. Firefighters will shoot massive amounts of water at the No. 3 reactor's fuel pool in the afternoon, the agency said.

Now that the reactors are reconnected to an external power grid and lighting in the No. 3 reactor's control room is restored, workers are focusing on transmitting power to each piece of equipment, such as data measuring instruments and feed-water pumps, after carefully examining its condition.

Regaining functions in the control rooms are thought to allow for more intensive work to help bring the crisis under control, as operators at present cannot remain in the rooms for long hours due to high radiation levels and power outages.

The nuclear agency said the utility firm aims to restore a pump by Thursday to inject freshwater into the core of the No. 3 reactor, instead of seawater that has currently been poured using fire pumps.

As of 10 a.m. Wednesday, the temperature of the No. 1 reactor vessel dropped to 390 C degrees, but it was still above the maximum temperature of 302 C degrees set by its designer. To deal with the situation, the utility known as TEPCO had increased the amount of water injected into the reactor by 9 times.

Nishiyama said the reactor vessel is not expected to start melting at these temperatures, and that TEPCO will carefully continue to inject massive amounts of water into the No. 1 reactor so as not to raise the pressure in the reactor.

High pressure in the reactor increases the risk of damage to the facility, and workers would be required to release radioactive steam from the reactor to lower the pressure.

As part of routine monitoring activities, helicopters of the Self-Defense Forces examined temperatures at the Fukushima nuclear power station Wednesday morning.

After the March 11 earthquake and massive tsunami knocked out power at the plant, the cooling functions failed at the No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 reactors, while the pools storing spent nuclear fuel at the No. 1, No. 2, No. 3 and No. 4 units have also lost all their cooling functions.

==Kyodo

I found this: http://www.nisa.meti.go.jp/english/files/en20110323-2-2.pdf

It provides excellent and USEFUL information. Note that the reactor vessel temperature at the time of the report was > 400 C. Yet, the pressure was 0.403 Mpa (Mega Pascals absolute.; converts to 58.5 - 14.7 = 43.8 PSI). From the steam tables here: http://www.efunda.com/materials/water/steamtable_sat.cfm which indicates a temperature of 143.88 C or 290.98 F for the reported pressure. The two measurements are not in agreement. One of two possibilities exist.
1. The temperature sensors have been damaged by seawater, high heat, high radiation or other factor. (duh, ya think that is possible?)
2. Localized hot spots exist. VERY likely at the lower reactor head as that is where formerly molten fuel would have collected. As for the nozzle area - I don't know but suspect that damaged fuel could also be collected there.

Damaged or melted fuel impeeds the movement of cooling water - either pumped or convective circulation. That can allow a hot spot to develop. If that mass of "stuff" is near the reactor vessel rather than out in the middle the heat will transfer to the RPV. Certainly interesting as it strongly suggests massive fuel damage (as if there was really any doubt) but is not really cause for concern. The temperature limit they are speaking of, 302 C is for the entire RPV, water and steam during operation. That temperature would translate to 1281 PSi steam pressure. To melt the reactor vessel would require something like 1375 - 1400 degrees C. A LONG way from where they are!!!!


You think the TEMP reading is correct but the pressure is wrong? No way. At 375C the steam pressure would be HUGE, WAY over design pressure limits. Before the reactor temperature reached 300 degrees C the relief valves would pop off!
 
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jehu

Mapper of Landmarks
If this thing was truly out of control the workers that are trying to fix it would probably be dead already, on-site, not weeks or months later from radiation sickness/poisoning.

:rolleyes:

Radiation does not kill you quickly. It is agonizingly slow and painful.

It's all dependant upon the amount of dose, and length of exposure.
 

It'sJustMe

Deceased
More on the black, then gray, then white, smoke, coming from the East side of the building. Fair use:

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/23_33.html

TEPCO: Black smoke rises from No.3 reactor

The Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, says black smoke was seen rising from the No.3 reactor building at the quake-damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant at around 4:20 PM on Wednesday.

TEPCO told reporters that it received a report 1 hour later that the smoke had gradually cleared.

The company said that the level of radiation near the main gate of the plant, 1 kilometer west of the No.3 reactor, was 265.1-microsieverts-per-hour at 5 PM. They added there had been no major change in the levels after the smoke was observed.

On Monday afternoon, gray smoke was seen rising from the same reactor building. TEPCO said that the plumes turned white before disappearing.

The power company evacuated workers from the control room of the No. 3 reactor, as well as firefighters from Tokyo and Yokohama preparing for a water-spraying operation.

The firefighters had to abandon their planned water spraying operation for the day.

Wednesday, March 23, 2011 19:13 +0900 (JST)
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2011/03/criticality-accident.html
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 23, 2011

Criticality Accident?

Things are getting better and better all the time when it comes to the Japanese Nuclear Reactors in Fukushima. Take this report from 19 March, 2011.

-- Reactor No. 4 - Under maintenance when quake struck, no fuel rods in reactor core, temperature in spent-fuel storage pool reached 84 C on Monday, fire Tuesday possibly caused by hydrogen explosion at pool holding spent fuel rods, fire observed Wednesday at building housing reactor, pool water level feared receding, renewed nuclear chain reaction feared, only frame remains of reactor building roof.
The Monday and Tuesday in question would be the 14th and 15th.

OK. Now we get this wonderful bit of news from 23 March that ties in with the old news.

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Wednesday it has observed a neutron beam, a kind of radioactive ray, 13 times on the premises of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant after it was crippled by the massive March 11 quake-tsunami disaster.

TEPCO, the operator of the nuclear plant, said the neutron beam measured about 1.5 kilometers southwest of the plant's No. 1 and 2 reactors over three days from March 13 and is equivalent to 0.01 to 0.02 microsieverts per hour and that this is not a dangerous level.

Well isn't that interesting? Not at all. Look at the attribution of the beam in the latest report.

...the measured neutron beam may be evidence that uranium and plutonium leaked from the plant's nuclear reactors and spent nuclear fuels have discharged a small amount of neutron beams through nuclear fission.

The neutron beams are evidence of criticality. Random bits of U235, U238, and Plutonium scattered about the universe do not generate neutron beams. I'm sorry. But unless you have neutron multiplications of above 1.0000 you are not going to see a lot of neutrons coming out of a "shut down" reactor. And it might not have been a reactor even. Spent Fuel Rod Pool #4 is a prime candidate. The "pile" need not be very orderly if the pile is big enough. Such disorder in fact might very well generate beams rather than the more even flux you get from a reactor operating as designed.

Of course criticality accidents are very bad news. Because there is no guarantee that the "pile" will not restart at some later date. Very inconvenient.

Oh. Yeah. Just for the record. It never happened, sort of.

In the latest case at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, such a criticality accident has yet to happen.

Of course it hasn't happened. If it had actually happened the news would be very inconvenient. Proof positive it never happened. And the Emperor willing it is not going to happen under any circumstances.

Han Solo: [sounding official] Uh, everything's under control. Situation normal.

Yeah. Right.
 

It'sJustMe

Deceased
Chief Cabinet Secretary finally saying that those outside of the 30 km distance of the plant might be affected.

Radiation could affect people outside 30km zone. I do hope that those that have been able to leave the area, have. Myself, I would have been gone long ago!

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano says computer forecasts show that radiation leaking from a nuclear plant could pose a hazard to people outside its 30-kilometer zone.

Edano said at a news conference on Wednesday that a computer forecast system has shown that radiation levels in some areas outside the 30-kilometer zone would exceed 100 millisieverts, which is the level that could affect the human thyroid if a person is exposed to it outdoors for 24 hours.

Edano cited a lack of data and the need for more precise calculations, and said there is no need for immediate evacuation or to seek shelter indoors.

At the same time, he urged people living downwind from the plant to stay indoors as much as possible and keep the windows shut as a precaution.

The computer system, called SPEEDI, predicts how radioactive substances will spread in case of radiation leakage from nuclear power plants, based on measurements taken at various locations, prevailing winds and other weather conditions.

SPEEDI data can be used to draw up evacuation plans for residents around power plants in case of accidents.

Wednesday, March 23, 2011 18:55 +0900 (JST)
 

Catbird

Inactive
The WHO has done an excellent status update of the entire disaster as of Mar. 22. Pages 6-13 deal with the nuclear crisis and its' impact. It's worth reading the entire document at http://www.wpro.who.int/NR/rdonlyre...nEarthquakeSituationReportNo1322March2011.pdf .

Some highlights:

Radiation levels

Higher than expected radiation levels continue to be detected at the plant facility, most recently at the main gate, west of reactor 2; however radiation levels there have fallen again.
Due to cooling and electric operations at the plant, radiation levels have not been consistently measured at the main gate since 17 March. Key measurement values, locations and dates are
as follows:

SDF helicopters involved in the cooling operations (17 March):
- 4.13 milli Sv/h at 1000ft (300m);
- 87.7 milli Sv/h at 300ft (90m).

Measures taken at the control room:
- 18 March (3254 micro Sv/hr; 23:30pm);
- 19 March (2820 micro Sv/hr; 23:30pm);
- 20 March (2487 micro Sv/hr; 23:30pm);
- 21 March (2016 micro Sv/hr, 16:50pm)

Measurements taken near reactor 3:
- 20 March (2670 micro Sv/hr);
- 21 March (2319 micro Sv/hr).

Measurements taken at the Main gate, west of reactor 2:
- 5:40pm, 21 March (494 micro Sv/hr);
- 6:30pm, 21 March (1932 micro Sv/hr)
- 7:30am, 22 March (261.6 micro Sv/hr)

In the Fukushima area, the highest measurements from areas within ~60 km was 110 microSv/hour, 21 March (see figure below – the parentheses in the figure refer to location number
and the number below refers to the radiation level detected in micro Sv). The areas with the highest detection measure were detected ~30km northwest of the Daiichi facility. The highest
measurement levels have been declining, but the maximum measurement was the same on 20 and 21 March; 17 March (170 micro Sv); 18 March (150 micro Sv); 19 March (136 micro Sv);
20 March (110 micro Sv); 21 March (111 micro Sv). The reason this particular area detected the highest measures is unknown.


Drinking water quality

The level of radioactive iodine found in drinking water in Iitatemura, roughly 30 km from the Fukushima No. 1 plant decreased from 965 Bq/kg (sampled on 20 March) to 492 Bq/kg based on samples collected on 21 March. This is still more than the guideline value (300 Bq/kg) set by the Nuclear Safety Commission of Japan for restriction of drinking water intake.

MHLW maintains its advice to the villagers to refrain from drinking the tap water although there is no immediate effect on health if it is taken temporarily. There is also no issue for the use of the water for non-drinking purposes. The prefecture of Fukushima is preparing to provide about 4000 people in the village with bottled water. In another Fukushima town of Kawamata, 45 kmfrom the plant, 308 Bq/kg of Iodine-131 was found in tap water on 17 March. But the level dropped to 155 Bq/kg on 18 March and 123 Bq/kg on 19 March (media).

Tap water from Kooriyama-shi, Fukushima-shi, Shirakawa, Iwaki-shi and Soma was also tested positive for radioactive iodine (samples results from 17 to 19 March) but levels (< 100 Bq/kg) are below the Japanese guideline value.

Monitoring is ongoing and reported from the Fukushima-ken Environmental Radioactivity Monitoring Centre Fukushima Branch Office. Values of Cesium-134 and Cesium-137 were at
non-detectable levels since 17 March. Reported values of Iodine-131 ranged from non-detectable to 180 Bq/kg (17 March, 23:00). All detected levels were below the Japanese
guideline value.

Radioactive iodine was detected in tap water collected in the prefectures listed below, as well as Tokyo. All detected values were below the Japanese guideline value. <MY NOTE: I'm not going to try to copy the chart. You can see it at the link.>

The Nuclear Safety Commission of Japan, a unit of the Government of Japan established the
guideline value for restriction of intake of drinking water as:

I-131* 300Bq/kg
Cesium-134, -137* 200Bq/kg

It should also be noted that the Japanese guideline value is an order lower than the internationally agreed Operational Intervention Levels (OIL's) for I-131 (3,000 Bq/kg), Cs-134
(1,000 Bq/kg) and Cs-137 (2,000 Bq/kg).
Iodine-131 is not a significant source of radiation because of its low specific activity (ref. IAEA General Safety Guide No. 2:
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Radiation Levels Rise in Tokyo Tap Water as New Evacuations Ordered at Nuke Plant

Published March 23, 2011 | Associated Press

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A spike in radiation levels in Tokyo tap water spurred new fears about food safety Wednesday as rising black smoke forced another evacuation of workers trying to stabilize Japan's radiation-leaking nuclear plant.

Radiation has seeped into vegetables, raw milk, the water supply and seawater since a magnitude-9 quake and killer tsunami crippled the Fukushima Dai-ichi power plant nearly two weeks ago. Broccoli was added to a list of tainted vegetables, and U.S. and Hong Kong officials announced a block on Japanese dairy and some produce from the region.

The crisis is emerging as the world's most expensive natural disaster on record, likely to cost up to $309 billion, according to a new government estimate. The death toll continued to rise, with more than 9,400 bodies counted and more than 15,600 people listed as missing.

Concerns about food safety spread Wednesday to Tokyo after officials said tap water showed elevated levels: 210 becquerels of iodine-131 per liter of water -- more than twice the recommended limit of 100 becquerels per liter for infants. Another measurement taken later at a different site showed the level was 190 becquerels per liter. The recommended limit for adults is 300 becquerels.

"It is really scary. It is like a vicious negative spiral from the nuclear disaster," said Etsuko Nomura, a mother of two young children ages 2 and 5. "We have contaminated milk and vegetables, and now tap water in Tokyo, and I'm wondering what's next."

Infants are particularly vulnerable to radioactive iodine, which can cause thyroid cancer, experts say. The limits refer to sustained consumption rates, and officials urged calm, saying parents should stop giving the tap water to babies, but that it was no worry if the infants already had consumed small amounts.

They said the levels posed no immediate health risk for older children or adults.

"Even if you drink this water for one year, it will not affect people's health," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said.

Tokyo residents shouldn't worry, said Dr. Lim Sang-moo, director of nuclear medicine at the Korea Cancer Center Hospital in Seoul.

Parents might want to be more cautious if they have a choice. "Nobody wants to drink radioactive water," he said. But "it's not a medical problem but a psychosocial problem: The stress that people get from the radioactivity is more dangerous than the radioactivity itself."

Also, radioactive iodine is short-lived, with a half-life of eight days, meaning the length of time it takes for half of it to break down harmlessly.

Richard Wakeford, a public health radiologist at the University of Manchester in Britain, blamed the spike in radiation on a shift in winds from the nuclear plant toward Tokyo. He predicted lower levels in coming days once the wind shifts back to normal patterns.

"I imagine that bottled water is now quite popular in Tokyo," he said.

Convenience stores around Tokyo began selling out of water soon after the news broke. At one downtown supermarket, clerk Toru Kikutaka said water purchases were limited to two, two-liter bottles per person, but the store still sold out almost immediately.

"I've never seen anything like this," he said.

The latest reported food data showed sharp increases in radioactivity levels in a range of vegetables. In an area about 25 miles northwest of the plant, levels for one locally grown leafy green called kukitachina measured 82 times the government's limit for radioactive cesium and 11 times the limit for iodine.

The unsettling new development affecting Japan's largest city, home to some 13 million in the city center, came as nuclear officials struggled to stabilize the hobbled reactor 140 miles to the north.

The quake and tsunami that struck off the east coast March 11 knocked out the plant's crucial cooling systems.

Explosions and fires followed in four of the plant's six reactors, leaking radioactive steam into the air. Progress in cooling down the facility has been intermittent, disrupted by rises in radiation, elevated pressure in reactors and overheated storage pools.

The plant operator had restored circuitry to bring power to all six units and turned on lights at Unit 3 late Tuesday for the first time since the disaster -- a significant step toward restarting the cooling system.

It had hoped to restore power to cooling pumps at the unit within days, but experts warned the work included the risk of sparking fires as electricity is restored through equipment potentially damaged in the tsunami.

Tokyo Electric Power Co. manager Teruaki Kobayashi said the pump for Unit 3 had been tested and it was working. But officials weren't sure when they would be able to turn the power on to the pump.

In a new setback, black smoke billowed from Unit 3, prompting another evacuation of workers from the plant during the afternoon, Tokyo Electric officials said. They added that there had been no corresponding spike in radiation at the plant.

"We don't know the reason" for the smoke, said Hidehiko Nishiyama of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.

Late Wednesday, nuclear agency official Kenji Kawasaki said workers would not be allowed to return to the plant until Thursday morning, as it was too difficult to tell at night whether all the smoke had cleared.

As a precaution, officials have evacuated residents living within 12 miles of the plant and advised those up to 19 miles away to stay indoors to minimize exposure.

And for the first time, Edano suggested that those downwind of the plant, even if just outside the zone, should stay indoors with the windows shut tight.

Survivors, meanwhile, buried the dead from the disaster in makeshift coffins, resorting to wrapping some bodies in blue tarps.

In Higashimatsushima, about 200 miles northeast of Tokyo, soldiers lowered bare plywood coffins into the ground, saluting each casket, as families watched from a distance. Two young girls wept inconsolably, their father hugging them tight.

"I hope their spirits will rest in peace here at this temporary place," said mourner Katsuko Oguni, 42.

Hundreds of thousands remained homeless, squeezed into temporary shelters without heat, warm food or medicine and no idea what to call home after the colossal wave swallowed up cities and towns along the coast.
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Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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Evidence of neutron beaming is a huge dot from the reading I've done.

Another shoe in this ongoing drama has dropped.
 

Brutus

Inactive
Radiation does not kill you quickly. It is agonizingly slow and painful.

It's all dependant upon the amount of dose, and length of exposure.

Hmmm...... Let's change that first sentence to "Radiation does not ALWAYS kill you quickly," and then take it from there.

Yeah, I know. Nothing to disagree with in that statement on it's own merits. But, it doesn't prove that Fukushima is "out of control" as Casc. originally stated.

Hell, read that article posted about the woman who worked at Chernobyl. Yeah, she's got health problems, but she worked at Chernobyl, AFTER the accident, for 4 1/2 YEARS! As bad as Chernobyl was claimed to be you'd have bet everything you own that she'd be dead long before now.

The bottom line is this: Wild exaggeration about the scope and scale of this mess doesn't help anything. All it does is terrify those folks who don't know any better. It's not only useless, stupid, and counter-productive, it's downright shameful and maybe even dangerous.

:shk:
 

The Cub

Behold, I am coming soon.
Red Baron,

I commend you on the manner in which you are handling this thread. e.g. changing the subject line and providing ref.

may I suggest somehow a periodic summary, so as to allow members to keep up with the current status without having to wade through volumes of posts that add little to the info. provided?

thanks again!

cubbie
 

Fisher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
TEPCO: Neutron beam observed 13 times at crippled Fukushima nuke plant

Fair use
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/80539.html

Neutron beam observed 13 times at crippled Fukushima nuke plant
TOKYO, March 23, Kyodo

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Wednesday it has observed a neutron beam, a kind of radioactive ray, 13 times on the premises of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant after it was crippled by the massive March 11 quake-tsunami disaster.

TEPCO, the operator of the nuclear plant, said the neutron beam measured about 1.5 kilometers southwest of the plant's No. 1 and 2 reactors over three days from March 13 and is equivalent to 0.01 to 0.02 microsieverts per hour and that this is not a dangerous level.

The utility firm said it will measure uranium and plutonium, which could emit a neutron beam, as well.

Excerpt - Article continues here:
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/80539.html
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
What made me start paying attention to this nuclear situation was Tepco saying on March 11 that "This is out of control." Archived multiple times right here on TB2K :) From the horse's mouth. And it's not getting better, although getting the lights on does help. And certainly not hyperbole. Meltdowns, neutron beams, unexplained repeated smoking, high radiation levels, explosions, fires, contamination of air, sea, groundwater, tap water, dairy, vegetables, evacuation of US military and personnel, apologetic admissions of fubar, etc etc etc plus inconceivable economic black hole in the middle of a global recession which also is getting worse.
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
Fisher left out an critcal portion of this article. Many are not aware of the implications of the neutron emissions. That being the case they would not understand this line from the cited article that Fisher omitted;

discharged a small amount of neutron beams through nuclear fission.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
_______________
Red Baron,

I commend you on the manner in which you are handling this thread. e.g. changing the subject line and providing ref.

may I suggest somehow a periodic summary, so as to allow members to keep up with the current status without having to wade through volumes of posts that add little to the info. provided?

thanks again!

cubbie

Cubbie,

Dennis has been doing most of the thread title changes. It does help during a long duration event such as this mess.

A summary is a good idea but seems hard to do in this case. With so much information, some of it conflicting, coming out I would be afraid to leave out something critical by doing a summary.

There is a ton of good information here. I don't see any one single source being the best over any period of time however. Thus it is hard to choose a single source to use for a summary.

BTW - The contributions here have been outstanding. Keep it up. That is what seperates TB2K from the rest of the bunch.
 

Fisher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Fisher left out an critcal portion of this article. Many are not aware of the implications of the neutron emissions. That being the case they would not understand this line from the cited article that Fisher omitted;

discharged a small amount of neutron beams through nuclear fission.

Double A,

I didnt leave anything out.

I provided an "excerpt" of the article, along with a link to the rest of the story.

The sentence you are quoting is from the last paragraph of the article.

Fisher
 
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