DISASTER This Bonus Season on Wall St., Many Face Nothing but Zeros

michaelteever

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Wow,

This is such a blow, I can't tell you how much this upsets me. Obviously, my disaster title should have been a clue. :lkick: /sarcasm off

What a bunch of weenies...wealthy weenies though.. :boohoo:

Michael

For fair use education/research purposes.

The link: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/This-Bonus-Season-on-Wall-St-nytimes-3737575928.html?x=0

The article:

This Bonus Season on Wall St., Many Face Nothing but Zeros

By NELSON D. SCHWARTZ and SUSANNE CRAIG

Bonus season is fast approaching on Wall Street, but this year the talk does not center just on multimillion-dollar paydays. It’s about a new club that no one wants to join: the Zeros.

Drawn from a broad swath of back-office employees and middle-level traders, bankers and brokers, the Zeros, as they have come to be called, are facing a once-unthinkable prospect: an annual bonus of ... nothing.

“It’s going to a cause a lot of panic on Wall Street,” said Richard Stein of Global Sage, an executive search firm. “Everybody is talking about it, but they’re actually concerned about it becoming public. I would not want to be head of compensation at a Wall Street firm right now.”

In some ways, a zero bonus should not come as a surprise to many bankers. As a result of the 2008 financial crisis, Wall Street firms like Goldman Sachs and banks like Citigroup raised base pay substantially in 2009 and 2010. They were seeking to placate regulators who had argued that bonuses based on performance encouraged excessive risk.

At Goldman, for instance, the base salary for managing directors rose to $500,000 from $300,000, while at Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse it jumped to $400,000 from $200,000.

Even though employees will receive roughly the same amount of money, the psychological blow of not getting a bonus is substantial, especially in a Wall Street culture that has long equated success and prestige with bonus size. So there are sure to be plenty of long faces on employees across the financial sector who have come to expect a bonus on top of their base pay. Wall Streeters typically find out what their bonuses will be in January, with the payout coming in February.

One executive, whose firm prohibited discussing the topic with the news media, said the bump in base salaries had confused people, even though their overall compensation was the same. “People expect a big bonus,” this person said. “It is as if they don’t even see their base doubled last year.”

Dealing with the Zeros can be complicated. “It’s a real headache,” said another senior banker, who asked not to be identified because the topic is so volatile at his company. There has been so much grousing that in some cases, he said, “we’ll throw $20,000 or $25,000 at each of the Zeros so they’re not discouraged.”

“No matter what we pay people, it is never enough and they always find something to complain about,” this banker said.

While Zeros are turning up in the ranks of back-office employees and midtier bankers and traders who typically earn $250,000 to $500,000, their bosses way up the compensation ladder are still expected to notch handsome paydays in the millions.

In terms of overall profit, Wall Street is on track for one of its best years ever, although it will trail 2009, which was pumped up by federal bailout money and the rebound from the financial crisis.

In the first three quarters of the year, Wall Street earned $21.4 billion, putting it on track to easily outpace 2006, when the economy was booming, and well ahead of the New York City government’s initial estimate of $20.6 billion for profit in all of 2010.

This year, Wall Street’s five biggest firms have put aside nearly $90 billion for bonuses.

But bankers and compensation experts say that bonus payouts will vary widely this year, much more than in the past when a rising tide lifted all boats. And just as junior and senior bankers face varying fates, so some departments are expected to fare better than others.

At JPMorgan and Bank of America Merrill Lynch, for example, the leveraged finance group could receive a 10 to 20 percent bump from last year, because of record issuance of junk bonds. Equity traders, on the other hand, are looking at a 10 to 20 percent drop because stock trading tailed off during the second half of the year.

At Morgan Stanley, equity trading was stronger, but bond traders are most likely looking at smaller pay packages.

To be sure, the best performers on the most profitable desks will still receive substantial bonuses. At Bank of America, top directors might earn a $1 million bonus while top vice presidents could net $600,000, according to one banker there.

What’s more, echoing trends in the broader economy, Wall Street chief executives are almost certain to escape the fate of the Zeros, with bonuses climbing into the stratosphere as the shock of the financial crisis fades and pay for the top tier climbs back toward historical averages.

Morgan Stanley is perhaps feeling the most pressure. In 2009, it paid out a record 62 percent of its net revenue in compensation and benefits; its chief executive, James P. Gorman, vowed to bring that down to bolster profits. But early this year, the firm’s board decided to start hiring in an effort to rebuild businesses in the wake of the financial crisis.

Now, having added 2,000 people in 2010 yet lacking any growth in revenue, the firm has little choice but to scale back on bonuses. Compensation will be lowered across the board, but there will still be plenty of Zeros, said one person familiar with Morgan Stanley’s compensation process.

Recently, Mr. Gorman has been telling employees that the selective, short-term pain on compensation will give the firm credibility with shareholders and help Morgan Stanley over the long haul, calling 2010 “the year of differentiation,” several employees said.

Even if overall salaries for Wall Streeters remain generous, the new zero-bonus culture is likely to change spending habits, said Robert J. Gordon, a professor of economics at Northwestern. Bonuses are spent differently than more predictable income, he said, citing “impulsive purchases, like jewelry from Tiffany’s for a girlfriend.”

Zero bonuses are likely to have a bigger impact on New York’s economy, which has grown dependent on the largess of Wall Street firms. Whether it’s for jewelry, high-end clothing or apartments, bonus spending has long fed a postholiday boom in January and February, especially in Manhattan and expensive suburbs like Greenwich.

“I suspect there will be some pain in the short-term,” said Robert D. Yaro, president of the Regional Plan Association, an independent research group in Manhattan.

“We’ve all heard the stories of someone showing up in Greenwich to buy a $10 million house and paying cash on the spot,” he added. “But in the long term, this is probably healthier for Wall Street and the regional economy. Wall Street shouldn’t be a casino.”
 
There's a TechTicker video on this.

As a jobless near bankrupt person, I can't tell you how broken my heart is by Wall Street's suffering in reduced bonuses relative to sharply increased incomes, although the banksters are still paying themselves a record $144 billion in bonuses this year. :bwl:

Good thing income and estate taxes have been cut open-endedly for the richest 2%, because how else would these wealthy elites get by?

It's remarkable how little all their money will matter when the missiles fly and this world is confronted by its Maker.
 

TECH32

Inactive
Ummm...before you start disparaging these guys, realize the NY (City and State) economy counts on these bonuses. Big parts of NJ too. People get a big bonus and what do they do?

They go out and spend it.

That generates sales tax revenue and jobs. It's a genuine economic stimulus that is NOT paid for by our tax dollars...
 

Dozdoats

Deceased
It's a genuine economic stimulus that is NOT paid for by our tax dollars...

Actually, a lot of it was.

Remember Fed money dumping to the bigbanks, TARP, fedgov bankster bailouts etc? Where'd that money come from if not taxpayers?

dd

ETA: Please go to http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc101220.htm and read the article there... especially #4)...
 
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dstraito

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There's a TechTicker video on this.

As a jobless near bankrupt person, I can't tell you how broken my heart is by Wall Street's suffering in reduced bonuses relative to sharply increased incomes, although the banksters are still paying themselves a record $144 billion in bonuses this year. :bwl:

Good thing income and estate taxes have been cut open-endedly for the richest 2%, because how else would these wealthy elites get by?

It's remarkable how little all their money will matter when the missiles fly and this world is confronted by its Maker.



Those pesky rich people. They don't deserve their money. It should be taken all away and distributed to the poor people. In fact, they should ALL be tarred and feathered. Why should we allow people to work real hard, save all their lifes to where they are allowed to accumulate millions of dollars, maybe so they could provide for their families and future generations. Why should some spoiled rich kid get the benefit of what their parents worked for, the kid didn't do anything for it?

The Government deserves that money, not the family of the person that earned it. Just because it was taxed when it was earned, don't let that detract from the fact that the Government is a more legitimate heir than sons and daughters.

I'm betting since Rich people are so morally corrupt that we can effectively punish them to the point where there won't be any motivation to be rich. I think if we're luckly we can wipe out the rich bring equality to all as we will all be poor then and there won't be anyone to look down their nose at us.

If we take away the incentives for working hard, getting ahead, you know, that stupid slogan about America being the land of opportunity, then we can effectively erradicate all the rich people. In the meantime, we need to do everything we can to take the money they have squirreled away and put it on good Government programs like food stamps and welfare.

Just because poor people have not had the inititative to work hard doesn't mean they don't deserve the things the hard working people earned.

Of course once the rich people are gone we will probably have to start thinking about the real poor people that don't hold a candle to the poor in America. We will have to readjust the incomes once again, but not as much as you would think. America's poor now will be much poorer. Remember earlier when we erradicated the rich? One unfortunate side effect of that was the money for entitlements went away so now the people that were considered poor are doing much, much worse.

Oh, and what used to be the middle class, they are also now among the poor but that is actually a good thing because we are more equal now. It seems that another good side effect of eliminating the rich was we got rid of most of the corporations. Corporations were made up of shareholders and most of those were liquidated. Corporations were evil though so this is a good thing despite the fact that with the loss of most corporations the loss of jobs went hand in hand.

The reduction in motivation to get rich also had an effect on the private sector. No one now is willing to start a business because they don't want to make evil money on the backs of their employees, thus taking advantage of them.

Since there are no more consumers, the existing businesses bowed to the pressure and closed their doors so they too wouldn't exploit the workers.

Now we can truely say there is equality in America.
 

TECH32

Inactive
It's a genuine economic stimulus that is NOT paid for by our tax dollars...

Actually, a lot of it was.

Remember Fed money dumping to the bigbanks, TARP, fedgov bankster bailouts etc? Where'd that money come from if not taxpayers?

dd

ETA: Please go to http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc101220.htm and read the article there... especially #4)...

Yeah, but most of that money was paid back.

dstraito - You got that right! The way people talk up here about the Rich you'd think they were all communists or something... ;)
 
Those pesky rich people. They don't deserve their money. It should be taken all away and distributed to the poor people. In fact, they should ALL be tarred and feathered. Why should we allow people to work real hard, save all their lifes to where they are allowed to accumulate millions of dollars, maybe so they could provide for their families and future generations. Why should some spoiled rich kid get the benefit of what their parents worked for, the kid didn't do anything for it?

The Government deserves that money, not the family of the person that earned it. Just because it was taxed when it was earned, don't let that detract from the fact that the Government is a more legitimate heir than sons and daughters.

I'm betting since Rich people are so morally corrupt that we can effectively punish them to the point where there won't be any motivation to be rich. I think if we're luckly we can wipe out the rich bring equality to all as we will all be poor then and there won't be anyone to look down their nose at us.

If we take away the incentives for working hard, getting ahead, you know, that stupid slogan about America being the land of opportunity, then we can effectively erradicate all the rich people. In the meantime, we need to do everything we can to take the money they have squirreled away and put it on good Government programs like food stamps and welfare.

Just because poor people have not had the inititative to work hard doesn't mean they don't deserve the things the hard working people earned.

Of course once the rich people are gone we will probably have to start thinking about the real poor people that don't hold a candle to the poor in America. We will have to readjust the incomes once again, but not as much as you would think. America's poor now will be much poorer. Remember earlier when we erradicated the rich? One unfortunate side effect of that was the money for entitlements went away so now the people that were considered poor are doing much, much worse.

Oh, and what used to be the middle class, they are also now among the poor but that is actually a good thing because we are more equal now. It seems that another good side effect of eliminating the rich was we got rid of most of the corporations. Corporations were made up of shareholders and most of those were liquidated. Corporations were evil though so this is a good thing despite the fact that with the loss of most corporations the loss of jobs went hand in hand.

The reduction in motivation to get rich also had an effect on the private sector. No one now is willing to start a business because they don't want to make evil money on the backs of their employees, thus taking advantage of them.

Since there are no more consumers, the existing businesses bowed to the pressure and closed their doors so they too wouldn't exploit the workers.

Now we can truely say there is equality in America.

I imagine Glenn Beck, Bernie Goldberg and Ayn Randers hold your happy delusions in high regard. But if you think banksters have worked hard and generated value for their disproportionate wealth, you have a great deal of homework to do:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=372707

There is a wealthy elite that have taken control over the West's future income by legally monopolizing the power to create credit and use this power to line their pockets in one way or another including gambling on Wall Street's casinos. Their labor is not far from tapping in accounting entries in computers, the only caveat being they pay others for such manual efforts.

But if you want to go along with the "make believe" proffered by hired propaganda guns of the Koch brothers and like ilk, go right ahead. There's many a millionaire and billionaire laughing all the way to the bank at your nickelodeon economic sensibilities with your "hard-earned savings" in hand. Meanwhile the rich get richer, the poor get pacified and the middle class and American working stiffs get raped.
 
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Yeah, but most of that money was paid back.

Believe that and I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

Never mind that fact that what has been paid back was done by the Fed gaming the system to the most ridiculous extreme. You decry "government" intervention in free markets? Maybe you should start there. After all, ours is no longer a government of the people. If anything has become clear since the most recent financial crisis, ours is a government of the banksters and the people are to be peaceably subservient or be punished accordingly. Your foolish acquiescence is greatly appreciate by TPTB. Just remember to save up for the next bailout.
 

Border guard

Inactive
Those that earned their money honestly, absolutely. But those that "gamed" their profits should be in jail but like the saying goes: It's not what you know it's who you know."; corpgov bails them out when they should have been put in receivership and behinds bars. The corporate and financial pigsty needs a good cleaning out. - BG

Those pesky rich people. They don't deserve their money. It should be taken all away and distributed to the poor people. In fact, they should ALL be tarred and feathered. Why should we allow people to work real hard, save all their lifes to where they are allowed to accumulate millions of dollars, maybe so they could provide for their families and future generations. Why should some spoiled rich kid get the benefit of what their parents worked for, the kid didn't do anything for it?

The Government deserves that money, not the family of the person that earned it. Just because it was taxed when it was earned, don't let that detract from the fact that the Government is a more legitimate heir than sons and daughters.

I'm betting since Rich people are so morally corrupt that we can effectively punish them to the point where there won't be any motivation to be rich. I think if we're luckly we can wipe out the rich bring equality to all as we will all be poor then and there won't be anyone to look down their nose at us.

If we take away the incentives for working hard, getting ahead, you know, that stupid slogan about America being the land of opportunity, then we can effectively erradicate all the rich people. In the meantime, we need to do everything we can to take the money they have squirreled away and put it on good Government programs like food stamps and welfare.

Just because poor people have not had the inititative to work hard doesn't mean they don't deserve the things the hard working people earned.

Of course once the rich people are gone we will probably have to start thinking about the real poor people that don't hold a candle to the poor in America. We will have to readjust the incomes once again, but not as much as you would think. America's poor now will be much poorer. Remember earlier when we erradicated the rich? One unfortunate side effect of that was the money for entitlements went away so now the people that were considered poor are doing much, much worse.

Oh, and what used to be the middle class, they are also now among the poor but that is actually a good thing because we are more equal now. It seems that another good side effect of eliminating the rich was we got rid of most of the corporations. Corporations were made up of shareholders and most of those were liquidated. Corporations were evil though so this is a good thing despite the fact that with the loss of most corporations the loss of jobs went hand in hand.

The reduction in motivation to get rich also had an effect on the private sector. No one now is willing to start a business because they don't want to make evil money on the backs of their employees, thus taking advantage of them.

Since there are no more consumers, the existing businesses bowed to the pressure and closed their doors so they too wouldn't exploit the workers.

Now we can truely say there is equality in America.
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
Those that earned their money honestly, absolutely. But those that "gamed" their profits should be in jail but like the saying goes: It's not what you know it's who you know."; corpgov bails them out when they should have been put in receivership and behinds bars. The corporate and financial pigsty needs a good cleaning out. - BG

I agree with that but SOT would lump all Rich people together in one class and do away with all of them.

In doing so he would condemn the United States to be a poor third class world vulnerable to countries like China and Russia which is maybe what he wants since he has so much vested in the Nuclear destruction of all of us.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Ummm...before you start disparaging these guys, realize the NY (City and State) economy counts on these bonuses. Big parts of NJ too. People get a big bonus and what do they do?

They go out and spend it.

That generates sales tax revenue and jobs. It's a genuine economic stimulus that is NOT paid for by our tax dollars...

No they don't ... They reinvest it in some off shore account and hoard it away.

Dang, you sound like Greenspan.

:screw:

Yeah, but most of that money was paid back.


By who?
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
I imagine Glenn Beck, Bernie Goldberg and Ayn Randers hold your happy delusions in high regard. But if you think banksters have worked hard and generated value for their disproportionate wealth, you have a great deal of homework to do:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=372707

There is a wealthy elite that have taken control over the West's future income by legally monopolizing the power to create credit and use this power to line their pockets in one way or another including gambling on Wall Street's casinos. Their labor is not far from tapping in accounting entries in computers, the only caveat being they pay others for such manual efforts.

But if you want to go along with the "make believe" proffered by hired propaganda guns of the Koch brothers and like ilk, go right ahead. There's many a millionaire and billionaire laughing all the way to the bank at your nickelodeon economic sensibilities with your "hard-earned savings" in hand. Meanwhile the rich get richer, the poor get pacified and the middle class and American working stiffs get raped.

You don't understand. I'm agreeing with you.

All rich people are evil.

The Government deserves those Estate taxes more than the sons and daughters.

We should all be poor and equal.

It's not fair that people who didn't do shit for the money can't demand an equal share.

I think it's great communism is on the way in.

With all of us being poor and equal there will be nothing to complain about will there?

Talk about delusional, you just keep thinking you are the second coming of Christ and everything will be fine.
 
I agree with that but SOT would lump all Rich people together in one class and do away with all of them.

In doing so he would condemn the United States to be a poor third class world vulnerable to countries like China and Russia which is maybe what he wants since he has so much vested in the Nuclear destruction of all of us.

Absolute nonsense.

I went to the 9/12 rally and chased out ACORN:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOPsla-MyLk

Beck sold out to FreedomWorks which is a Koch Brothers creation and conduit for anti-government propaganda:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU8nfVt77S0

He's nothing but a mouthpiece for "corporatism" that seeks to restrain government intervention on behalf of capitalists NOT seeking to earn an honest buck.

Government should be a tool of the public interest to counter abuse of power by private interests. Instead, government has become a tool of private interests that too often compromises the public interest.

Free enterprise where entrepreneurs can do well for themselves by doing well for others benefits everyone. This is not the problem. The problem is where people do well for themselves by doing harm to others and the system as a whole.

As for nuclear war, one consideration is that we have all been UTTERLY SCREWED because apparently there was no private gain to be had by telling the truth on the matter of the Old Enemy fashioning our destruction such that the cataclysm might be averted:

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2009/05/russias-secret-war-plans.html

I'm flat broke, Robert Buchar couldn't get funds to finish his documentary and it's not like Jeff Nyquist is living high on the hog.

So why is that...."patriot"?!

"They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved."
 
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You don't understand. I'm agreeing with you.

All rich people are evil.

The Government deserves those Estate taxes more than the sons and daughters.

We should all be poor and equal.

It's not fair that people who didn't do shit for the money can't demand an equal share.

I think it's great communism is on the way in.

With all of us being poor and equal there will be nothing to complain about will there?

Talk about delusional, you just keep thinking you are the second coming of Christ and everything will be fine.

Well....if I am who I think I am, this time around there's no room at the inn for you unless your spirit (meaning) becomes consistent with reality (truth).
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
Absolute nonsense.

I went to the 9/12 rally and chased out ACORN:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOPsla-MyLk

Beck sold out to FreedomWorks which is a Koch Brothers creation and conduit for anti-government propaganda:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU8nfVt77S0

He's nothing but a mouthpiece for "corporatism" that seeks to restrain government intervention on behalf of capitalists NOT seeking to earn an honest buck.

Government should be a tool of the public interest to counter abuse of power by private interests. Instead, government has become a tool of private interests that too often compromises the public interest.

Free enterprise where entrepreneurs can do well for themselves by doing well for others benefits everyone. This is not the problem. The problem is where people do well for themselves by doing harm to others and the system as a whole.

As for nuclear war, one consideration is that we have all been UTTERLY SCREWED because apparently there was no private gain to be had by telling the truth on the matter of the Old Enemy fashioning our destruction:

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2009/05/russias-secret-war-plans.html

I'm flat broke, Robert Buchar couldn't get funds to finish his documentary and it's not like Jeff Nyquist is living high on the hog.

So why is that...."patriot"?!

"They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved."

Have you ever heard the quote about throwing out the baby with the bathwater? You would sacrifice the welfare of the entire United States to satisfy your class warfare lust.

Everything that ever happened to you was someone elses fault, I'm sure. It was the evil rich people, the corporations, the whatever.

You have no concept of motivation, human behavior, economics or business so I guess I'll have to leave this thread with your judgement of me not be allowed into the kingdom of heaven because I don't buy into your conspiracy theories.

Good luck. I hope you get some help.
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
Well....if I am who I think I am, this time around there's no room at the inn for you unless your spirit (meaning) becomes consistent with reality (truth).

You don't know the first thing about reality.

If your version of reality comes to pass there will be NO United States. There will be no rich people. As you have everyone sit around and sing kumbaya we will be destroyed by your version of utopia. No corporations, no rich people, no banks.

What, everyone can live in caves but be equal?

So naive, so simplistic, so wrong.
 
You don't know the first thing about reality.

If your version of reality comes to pass there will be NO United States. There will be no rich people. As you have everyone sit around and sing kumbaya we will be destroyed by your version of utopia. No corporations, no rich people, no banks.

What, everyone can live in caves but be equal?

So naive, so simplistic, so wrong.

You are choosing to misunderstand my meaning. That's your prerogative as a free creature, but eventually historical reality will catch up and literally shock you to death. Kind of the story of this world.
 

RentedMule

Senior Member
There's a TechTicker video on this.

As a jobless near bankrupt person, I can't tell you how broken my heart is by Wall Street's suffering in reduced bonuses relative to sharply increased incomes, although the banksters are still paying themselves a record $144 billion in bonuses this year. :bwl:

Good thing income and estate taxes have been cut open-endedly for the richest 2%, because how else would these wealthy elites get by?

It's remarkable how little all their money will matter when the missiles fly and this world is confronted by its Maker.

Admiteddly, I know nothing about you or your personal situation, but if you're jobless and near bankrupt, why not attempt to secure some gainful employment rather than spending what appears to be most of your time blogging about all the unfairness heaped upon you (oh yeah....and the end of the world)?
 

kozanne

Inactive
It is not a crime to be rich in America. Not all rich people are evil slublogs who suck money out of the hands of the innocent and keep it all to themselves.

I am NOT a rich person by any means. BUT THIS IS AMERICA.

Now if you want it to be the USSR, fine. Share your misery, because the redistributed money will not go very far.

Lay off the rich people dammit.
 

Oilpatch Hand

3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
Admiteddly, I know nothing about you or your personal situation, but if you're jobless and near bankrupt, why not attempt to secure some gainful employment rather than spending what appears to be most of your time blogging about all the unfairness heaped upon you (oh yeah....and the end of the world)?

I hereby second this recommendation. :D

As for myself...every job/project I have ever had was given to me by somebody who had more money than I had. Every last one, without any exception whatsoever. Also, I cannot remember an occasion where a person or company with less money than I myself had at the time ever put me to work. Not once.

Good thing for me, I guess, that all those "evil rich people" wanted to spend some of their "ill-gotten" money with me and my enterprises. :lol:
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Admiteddly, I know nothing about you or your personal situation, but if you're jobless and near bankrupt, why not attempt to secure some gainful employment rather than spending what appears to be most of your time blogging about all the unfairness heaped upon you (oh yeah....and the end of the world)?


WWJD?

( What Would Jay Do? )

:zzz:
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
Yeah, but most of that money was paid back.

dstraito - You got that right! The way people talk up here about the Rich you'd think they were all communists or something... ;)



Yep paid the money back. The money that was suppose to recapitalize the US economy. But they didn't do that, it was loaned to foreign institutions at a decent interest. This made the banks profitable and the books look great and allowed them to give bonuses last year.
 
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Admiteddly, I know nothing about you or your personal situation, but if you're jobless and near bankrupt, why not attempt to secure some gainful employment rather than spending what appears to be most of your time blogging about all the unfairness heaped upon you (oh yeah....and the end of the world)?

Because if my nation, my loved ones and the free world is facing imminent destruction, pursuit of "self-interest", even to the point of avoiding bankruptcy and homelessness, takes a back seat to doing everything in my capacity possible to warn everyone and anyone and hopefully save whomever and whatever I can from the coming tribulation.

The absurdity of the situation is how NO ONE will help me or sacrifice the tiniest, littlest bit of their resources, whether this be their time, money, reputation or even their simple attention, to save themselves, their nation and the free world from the impending cataclysm soon to be unleashed upon us by the "Old Enemy":

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2009/11/fall-of-berlin-wall-rise-of-antichrist.html

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2010/05/on-triumph-of-evil.html

Pure collective insanity prevails IMHO while I'm deemed the crazy one. Why? Because people are selfish beyond all reason and reality and it is literally killing us all.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Because if my nation, my loved ones and the free world is facing imminent destruction, pursuit of "self-interest", even to the point of avoiding bankruptcy and homelessness, takes a back seat to doing everything in my capacity possible to warn everyone and anyone and hopefully save whomever and whatever from the coming tribulation.

The absurdity of the situation is how NO ONE will help me or sacrifice the tiniest, littlest bit of their resources, whether this be their time, money, reputation or even their simple attention, to save themselves, their nation and the free world from the impending cataclysm soon to be unleashed upon us by the "Old Enemy":

Pure collective insanity prevails IMHO while I'm deemed the crazy one?

Gee...Can't figure out why you are deemed "crazy"?

Jesus was/is/shall forever be perfect.

Your track record sucks!

And every single time you start spouting this blatant blasphemy, I will be there to point it out.

Get used to seeing me, Jay.

" If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him. "


I am, in fact, the reincarnation of Jesus of Nazareth
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2010/04/good-friday-real-face-of-jesus.html

I am Christ which means that I am, in essence, REALITY.
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2010/04/good-friday-real-face-of-jesus.html

05-11-2004
URGENT: Stock Market Crash
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=99349&highlight=crash+alert

10-25-2004
LUNAR ECLIPSE STOCK MARKET CRASH ALERT
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=124599&highlight=israel

11-11-2004
I will be free of my apocalyptic vision at the end of the month. Why? Tom Brokaw is retiring. Tom Brokaw was the anchor I saw in the special report of a chemical missile attack on Israel. If my vision was from God, I would think such a detail would prove accurate. Hence, when he retires, I should be free.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=127540&highlight=israel

BTW, I don't believe there will be a rapture.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=123389&highlight=israel

04-17-2005
4/24 Lunar Eclipse - Stock Market Crash Alert
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=147157&highlight=israel

August 24th, 2005
STOCK MARKET CRASH ALERT
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=163796&highlight=crash+alert

09-28-2005
Impending Economic Crash...Everything appears to be on course for a crash in the near-term
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=169713&highlight=predict

08-10-2006
Elliott Wave Grand Supercycle 'crash' alert
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=207468&highlight=crash+alert

03-01-2007
Stock Market Crash Alert
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=231805&highlight=crash+alert

03-13-2007
Stock Market Crash Alert
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=233285&highlight=crash+alert

07-25-2007
Stock Market Crash Alert
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=250194&highlight=crash+alert

08-15-2007
Stock Market Crash Alert - Urgent 8/15 Update
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=252788&highlight=crash+alert

11-26-2007A
ALERT - Market Crash & War Alert
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=267007&highlight=crash+alert

05-20-2010
Stock Market Crash Alert
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=361805&highlight=crash+alert

08-31-2010
Stock Market Crash Alert
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=368944&highlight=predict

I am Jay Adams....and my name will reverberate through the echo chamber of history.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=93502&highlight=crash+alert

I'm not hating on you, brother. But, I am hating on the "spirit" that you espouse because it is so far from "truth" that the light from "truth" is going to take a billion years to reach you.
 
Gee...Can't figure out why you are deemed "crazy"?

Jesus was/is/shall forever be perfect.

Your track record sucks!

And every single time you start spouting this blatant blasphemy, I will be there to point it out.

Get used to seeing me, Jay.

Well....you can't say I didn't try to give you fair warning. :)

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

BTW, the notion that Jesus or any creature is "perfect" is, by definition, fallacious.

Creatures are imperfect, temporal and changing. Only the Creator is eternal, unchanging and "perfect". Everything in the context of the Creation can at best be analogous or perfectly geared to fulfill the Creator's will, the latter of which may involve forms other creatures won't appreciate at given times.
 
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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Well....you can't say I didn't try to give you fair warning. :)

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

BTW, the notion that Jesus or any creature is "perfect" is, by definition, fallacious.

Creatures are imperfect, temporal and unchanging. Only the Creator is eternal, unchanging and "perfect". Everything in the context of the Creation can at best be analogous or perfectly geared to fulfill the Creator's will, the latter of which may involve forms other creatures won't appreciate at given times.

There is a difference between "warning" and "prediction" and in your own words from 6 years ago, " I will be free of my apocalyptic vision at the end of the month. Why? Tom Brokaw is retiring. Tom Brokaw was the anchor I saw in the special report of a chemical missile attack on Israel. If my vision was from God, I would think such a detail would prove accurate. Hence, when he retires, I should be free. "

You admit here that your divine inspiration has failed. Yet, you are still here, spouting the same BS.

And now you state that Jesus is imperfect, thus a sinner?

I'm sure you, as a reincarnated Jew, understand the meaning of the "scapegoat"?

If Jesus was blemished, His sacrifice and promise are null and void and we all are without hope, so who cares about your repeated ( ad infinitum ) warnings?
 
There is a difference between "warning" and "prediction" and in your own words from 6 years ago, " I will be free of my apocalyptic vision at the end of the month. Why? Tom Brokaw is retiring. Tom Brokaw was the anchor I saw in the special report of a chemical missile attack on Israel. If my vision was from God, I would think such a detail would prove accurate. Hence, when he retires, I should be free. "

You admit here that your divine inspiration has failed. Yet, you are still here, spouting the same BS.

And now you state that Jesus is imperfect, thus a sinner?

I'm sure you, as a reincarnated Jew, understand the meaning of the "scapegoat"?

If Jesus was blemished, His sacrifice and promise are null and void and we all are without hope, so who cares about your repeated ( ad infinitum ) warnings?

Who are you to question how God Authors HIStory?
 
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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
See my signature:

Ephesians 5:11 - " Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. ”

And, Jesus knows all about me...
 

MamaDel

Inactive
Did Jesus hate the rich or the wicked?

When I was a single mom busting my butt as a waitress and being a nurses aid, I had taxes taken out of my check every week, but you know what? After the child credits and whatever else was figured in, I got almost all of it back in my refund every year. I never made more than $22k a year. That was from 18-22 yrs old, alone with 2 kids. NOW, my husband makes enough money that I can tell who would hate us based off that alone...but guess what he pays MORE in taxes than some make in a year. But we are evil right? We are sucking the system dry right? Again, we can not lump categories together this way and say that everyone in the category is exactly the same. Is it wrong to work hard and achieve success in this country now?
 

Patrick28

Inactive
Uhhhmmm..you have all chosen your paths in life......if it is so easy to be a banker, why don't you all become bankers.......

You are compensated by how much you are worth.....not how hard you work....that is the nature of capitalism....

Wealth redistribution is a communist ideal...........cough cough...

Enjoy and accept the life you have chosen.....or were smart enough or lucky enough to get.....if you don't like that bankers make good money for little work, then either join them or be quiet!

.......or vote the socialists out of office......kinda hard when the majority of voters are poor losers that want the rich to help them though...good luck....

You are not owed anything in life...not free healthcare, not fair play, not free food or shelter....you are all on your own....suffer or join the devil....your choce.
 
Uhhhmmm..you have all chosen your paths in life......if it is so easy to be a banker, why don't you all become bankers.......

You are compensated by how much you are worth.....not how hard you work....that is the nature of capitalism....

Wealth redistribution is a communist ideal...........cough cough...

Enjoy and accept the life you have chosen.....or were smart enough or lucky enough to get.....if you don't like that bankers make good money for little work, then either join them or be quiet!

.......or vote the socialists out of office......kinda hard when the majority of voters are poor losers that want the rich to help them though...good luck....

You are not owed anything in life...not free healthcare, not fair play, not free food or shelter....you are all on your own....suffer or join the devil....your choce.

Jeepers, never thought that only the communists had thought of sharing wealth. Why wasn't that told to me in preschool as I was being taught such values?

As for becoming a banker, or a brain surgeon, or a New York Yankee relief pitcher, or an oil tycoon inheritor, or a paraplegic, or a severely autistic child, etc., the five most misleading words in America's Declaration of Independence are: "All men are created equal."

Really?

And if not, then what?

Shall we still pursue an enrichment of the fittest competitive society where you are free to be a billionaire and ignore those free to starve and freeze to death on a sidewalk because of some sort of twisted secularized ideals of liberty far removed from the Judeo-Christian values meant to be an essential part of our society?

Modern Americans want all the "independence" they can have in terms of independence from responsibility to others or society as-a-whole while this is grossly out of accord with the sharing and sacrifices necessary for liberty to succeed.

One of my favorite quotes is from William Penn: "Men must be governed by God or they will be ruled by tyrants."

This really captures the essence of our situation. The Bible is replete with tales of God's people cycling through being blessed with freedom and prosperity, becoming self-absorbed and going against God's will and then being delivered into evil and bondage. Where do you think modern America fits thereof?

It is telltale how valued and successful folk like myself are that have been seeking to spell out where we're at and where we'll end up. Nobody is interested. No one loves the truth. In fact, they could care less. Personal gratification is the priority and the needs of others, survival of America and well-being of the world overall is a nuisance if a consideration at all.

So when the missiles fly and the West is laid asunder, don't blame the "Old Enemy" so much as look in the mirror.
 
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Double_A

TB Fanatic
Uhhhmmm..you have all chosen your paths in life......if it is so easy to be a banker, why don't you all become bankers.......

You are compensated by how much you are worth.....not how hard you work....that is the nature of capitalism....

Wealth redistribution is a communist ideal...........cough cough...

Enjoy and accept the life you have chosen.....or were smart enough or lucky enough to get.....if you don't like that bankers make good money for little work, then either join them or be quiet!

.......or vote the socialists out of office......kinda hard when the majority of voters are poor losers that want the rich to help them though...good luck....

You are not owed anything in life...not free healthcare, not fair play, not free food or shelter....you are all on your own....suffer or join the devil....your choce.

The United States was founded on certain ideals. These are spelled out in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Our laws are derived from that foundation. It may not be a cure all, however I can't help but wonder if many of our current problems are because too many politicians and even Presidents have forgotten about that worthless piece of paper and what it stood for.

They've made an unholy alliance with corporations, knowingly to the detriment of the people in what we now call predatory capitalism. There seems to be a group here on TB2K who believe that you can screw-over any person or group of people and if you call it capitalism that behavior suddenly becomes acceptable. I call it lipstick on a pig. These members feel it's ok to call people who opposite reprehensible & criminal business practices socialists/communists hoping to stop the objections and silencing them.

What's happening is that reprehensible business practices and predatory capitalism have become toxic to our society. People are realizing their standard of living has not increased since the mid 1970's and the middle class is in jeopardy, whereas the rich get richer. This leads to what we are seeing now a breakdown in society and anger that is very close to the surface.

I don't think anybody here is truly advocating socialism, what they are saying is that good employees make a strong businesses. If an owner can operate without employees fine. But if you've found the need to hire employees to grow and become stronger and wealthier, then it would behoove you to share as appropriate with those employees who helped make the business stronger.
 
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The United States was founded on certain ideals. These are spelled out in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Our laws are derived from that foundation. It may not be a cure all, however I can't help but wonder if many of our current problems are because too many politicians and even Presidents have forgotten about that worthless piece of paper and what it stood for.

I think you're mistaken to an extent. The ideals the U.S. were founded upon were Judeo-Christian values and these WERE NOT SPELLED OUT in the Constitution and Bill of Rights by design in separating church and state. However, it was almost universally recognized at the time our Republic formed that, again as William Penn commented, "men must be governed by God". "We The People" did away with personal morality and self-governance in the name of "secularism" and decided the government would take care of everything while the private sector would blindly pursue personal gain and gratification. The only problem is that the people have failed to fully empower and finance the government to handle the task, regardless of the childish, petulant rantings of Glenn Beck and the like who writes America is "broke" when, with some $40 trillion in wealth, this nation is by and far the richest nation in human history.

I don't expect many here to agree, but all I can point out is the final part of William Penn's quote: "....or they will be ruled by tyrants". While some like to think Obama is the evil tyrant to fear, that would be a dream. The 'Old Enemy' fashioning our demise is far, far more fearsome. So much so, it was "uncomfortable" to think about, and the American people were more than happy to cooperated with lies that let them "make believe" the threat no longer existed. I believe in the Christian sense this is what's referred to as "falling into temptation" and the consequence is being "delivered into Evil".

The fate we've made for ourselves sucks, but lying to yourself about isn't going to make matters different. Yet, that's all there is, more and more and more preposterous lies and self-deceit. The truth, and those who offer the truth, are deemed relatively worthless.
 
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Kent

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BTW, the notion that Jesus or any creature is "perfect" is, by definition, fallacious.


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I think you're mistaken to an extent. The ideals the U.S. were founded upon were Judeo-Christian values and these WERE NOT SPELLED OUT in the Constitution and Bill of Rights by design in separating church and state.

Wrong on both counts. Jesus IS perfect, and no where does the Constitution and Bill of Rights say anything about separating church and state.

Please seek medical and spiritual help before it's to late.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
IMHO, I think you think you know too much and claim God's authority in so doing.

You are the one who is claiming God's authority.

I am, in fact, the reincarnation of Jesus of Nazareth
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2010/04/good-friday-real-face-of-jesus.html

I am Christ which means that I am, in essence, REALITY.
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2010/04/good-friday-real-face-of-jesus.html

and as you just stated when I said, " Jesus knows all about me "

Maybe better than you realize.

Therefore, you as the reincarnation of Christ knows me " better than I realize "

So... We'll keep it simple.

What is my name?

What is my favorite color?

What is the name of my daughter?

Where do I work?

What type of car do I drive?

What is my ethnic background?

What branch of the military did I serve in?

What is my birthdate?

What color is my hair?

What color are my eyes?

Simple stuff that any mortal who knows me has knowledge of.

You as the living Christ must, surely, know the answers to these questions, right...

...Jay?
 
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