ENVR Geomagnetic field reversed in a flash

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Geomagnetic field reverses in a flash

2 Sep 10 - Rocks just north of a truck stop along I-80 in Battle Mountain, Nevada, provide new evidence of super-fast reversals of Earth’s magnetic polarity.

Geomagnetic reversals - times when a compass would have pointed toward Antarctica instead of toward the Arctic - have occurred more often than is generally known.

Polarity reversals occur every couple hundred thousand years, and (supposedly) take about 4,000 years to make the change, says this article in Science News.

The Nevada rocks suggest that this particular reversal happened at the amazing rate of one degree per week — a flash in geologic time.
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A paper describing the discovery is slated to appear in Geophysical Research Letters. Flipping in record time (Image:
G.Glatzmaier/Los Alamos National
Laboratory/P.Roberts/UCLA/SPL)

Scott Bogue, a geologist at Occidental College in Los Angeles and his colleague, Jonathan Glen of the U.S. Geological Survey in Menlo Park, California, went to Nevada to study a series of well-preserved lava flows. As each flow had cooled into solid rock, it preserved the orientation of the magnetic field at the time.
The two geologists found that the rocks in one particular lava flow had reoriented themselves a whopping 53 degrees in one year, suggesting that the magnetic field had changed direction at approximately one degree per week.

This is only the second report of such a speedy reversal. The first report, published in 1985, was based on a study of rocks formed from ancient lava flows at Steens Mountain, Oregon. That report, which indicated a change of three to six degrees per day, has never gained widespread acceptance.

[Although this article says the first report was published in 1995, I mention a report published in 1985 by Prévot, Mankinen, Coe and Grommé in both "Not by Fire but by Ice" ( p.191) and "Magnetic Reversals and Evolutionary Leaps" ( p. 95).]

Regardless of when that first report was published, this new discovery bolsters the theory that reversals can happen very quickly, over a matter of years instead of millennia.

I've received a lot of flack over my assertions that magnetic reversals can occur in as little as 30 days. I cited the rapid reversals in the lava flows on Steens Mountain as part of my proof, so I'm glad to see this new discovery in Nevada.

“We’re trying to make the case that [the new work] is another record of a superfast magnetic change,” says Bogue, lead author of the paper.
As might be expected, not all experts are convinced.

"The last stable reversal occurred 780,000 years ago," the article continues. "Some geologists argue the Earth is overdue for a reversal and might even be entering one now, as the geomagnetic field has been getting weaker over the past 150 years or more."

http://www.evolutionaryleaps.com/Geomagnetic_field_reverses_in_a_flash.htm
 

TJA

Veteran Member
He may very well be right about a fast change but there's a lot of evidence that indicates that the reversals are not typically quick and that there is often a period of time where the Earth effectively has no magnetic field.

I'd guess that the fact that the current field has apparently been weakening for the past 150 years is a strong indication that the next flip isn't going to be a fast one.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Fast = Good. Slow = Bad. Is that a good summary?

no one still around from the last one to tell us...

the author at iceagenow.com contends that when the magnetic field swaps/ collapses, it no longer can prevent solar/cosmic radiation from "coming to ground" and thus a mass extinction level event (ELE) occurs, to most species that aren't somehow protected from the radiation.

i suppose a "slow" magnetosphere collapse would mean much longer exposure to celestial radiation.

but "fast" collapse might mean less time to seek out shelter or preps to last a sudden change in circumstances.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
_______________
Revisionist evolution theory.

The "old" Darwinian theory requiring millions and billions of years had too many holes in it.

Missing links don't exist and the fossil record timeline does not withstand any real scrutiny.

The new Mantra is going to be "rapid" evolutionary change. New grant money to be found and more new books to sell.

My $0.02
 

SSP13

Inactive
To Be Brief

Preserved frozen remains of woolly mammoths, with much soft tissue remaining, have been found in the northern parts of Siberia. This is a rare occurrence, essentially requiring the animal to have been buried rapidly in liquid or semi-solids such as silt, mud, and icy water, which then froze. This may have occurred in a number of ways. Mammoths may have been trapped in bogs or quicksands and either died of starvation or exposure, or drowning if they sank under the surface. Though judging by the evidence of undigested food in the stomach and seed pods still in the mouth of many of the specimens, neither starvation nor exposure seem likely.


http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Woolly_mammoth


Mayan calendar, two Chinese calendars end 2012
They are tracking a 25,896 years trip around the galaxy
13,000 years ago woolly mammoths froze
Undigested food means that they froze in less than an hour
Crossing the Galactic Plane looks like it makes us flip
One hour changes the world
 

Kent

Inactive
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Woolly_mammoth
Preserved frozen remains of woolly mammoths, with much soft tissue remaining, have been found in the northern parts of Siberia. This is a rare occurrence, essentially requiring the animal to have been buried rapidly in liquid or semi-solids such as silt, mud, and icy water, which then froze. This may have occurred in a number of ways. Mammoths may have been trapped in bogs or quicksands and either died of starvation or exposure, or drowning if they sank under the surface. Though judging by the evidence of undigested food in the stomach and seed pods still in the mouth of many of the specimens, neither starvation nor exposure seem likely.

Mayan calendar, two Chinese calendars end 2012
They are tracking a 25,896 years trip around the galaxy
13,000 years ago woolly mammoths froze
Undigested food means that they froze in less than an hour
Crossing the Galactic Plane looks like it makes us flip
One hour changes the world

I have also heard the theory that Noah's flood may have caused this.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
no one still around from the last one to tell us...

the author at iceagenow.com contends that when the magnetic field swaps/ collapses, it no longer can prevent solar/cosmic radiation from "coming to ground" and thus a mass extinction level event (ELE) occurs, to most species that aren't somehow protected from the radiation.

i suppose a "slow" magnetosphere collapse would mean much longer exposure to celestial radiation.

but "fast" collapse might mean less time to seek out shelter or preps to last a sudden change in circumstances.

Hypothesis that the last complete flip was around 30K years ago AND that about that same time humanity was reduced to about 2k +/- individuals.

The reset that everyone has been screaming for is about to occur.

K-
 

TJA

Veteran Member
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Woolly_mammoth


Mayan calendar, two Chinese calendars end 2012
They are tracking a 25,896 years trip around the galaxy
13,000 years ago woolly mammoths froze
Undigested food means that they froze in less than an hour
Crossing the Galactic Plane looks like it makes us flip
One hour changes the world

Evidence of past flips does not support this in any way. Magnetic reversals occur in a very erratic manner with no sort of pattern that would match any sort of orbit. Last reversal was 780,000 years ago and times have gone for millions of years without flipping and there have also been flips as often as twice in 50,000 years.

Additionally it takes 225 million to 250 million years for the solar system to complete an orbit around the Milky Way. During one orbit the solar system oscillates up and down relative to the galactic plane approximately 2.7 times per orbit, so crossing the galactic plane is simply not anywhere near the scale of tens of thousands of years or even hundreds of thousands of years. Figure if we cross the plane twice each oscillation the crossing the plane happens between 41 and 46 million years. About the only number that comes close to 25,000 in these areas is the the approximate distance from the solar system to the center of the galaxy, which is measured in light years and is pretty much constant, which is actually pretty odd but doesn't support any sort of tie in to magnetic pole reversals.


Hypothesis that the last complete flip was around 30K years ago AND that about that same time humanity was reduced to about 2k +/- individuals.

The reset that everyone has been screaming for is about to occur.

K-
Last flip was 780,000 years ago not 30,000. The time that humanity was reduced to the 2k figure (2K breeding females, going by the mitochondrial DNA evidence, actual population was likely double or triple that) was closer to 70,000 years ago and the most likely culprit for that seems to be the eruption of the Lake Toba Super Volcano that happened relatively close to that time.

Is this anything anyone, other than some college egghead, need be concerned with?:popcorn1:

Hard to say.
Worst case scenario, the Earths magnetic field disappears completely sometime within the next decade (say tomorrow if you really want to go all out DOOM!), and we get exposed/cooked to/by all of those pesky energetic particles the Sun shoots out that are normally deflected by the magnetic field.
Best case scenarios are either: The weakening field is no more than a simple variation of the field and it really isn't weakening so it stays intact for tens of thousands or millions of years. OR. The field continues to weaken along it's current apparent trend and it disappears in 1,000 to 2,000 years for a short time before re-establishing itself.




There's also no direct evidence that any of the past reversals are actually tied to any extinction event. Any such events that did occur during a magnetic reversal are far more likely to have been due to something else and are simply coincidence
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
The two geologists found that the rocks in one particular lava flow had reoriented themselves a whopping 53 degrees in one year, suggesting that the magnetic field had changed direction at approximately one degree per week.

I don't think you can necessarily draw such conclusions from the data, there may be other factors involved, I think they're reading too much into it
 

Dozdoats

Deceased
Is this anything anyone, other than some college egghead, need be concerned with?

Only if said 'anyone' is concerned at all with the time and manner of their death... other significant terrestrial effects are likely to manifest at the same time as well.

dd
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Is this anything anyone, other than some college egghead, need be concerned with?

Only if said 'anyone' is concerned at all with the time and manner of their death... other significant terrestrial effects are likely to manifest at the same time as well.

dd

Sounds like a selling point for someone selling blast shelters
 

Dozdoats

Deceased
Sounds like a selling point for someone selling blast shelters

Me? Not selling anything, except an occasional batch of stocks here and there.

Ya know how some of us here are always saying it isn't the price of gold going up, it's the value/purchasing power of the dollar going down?

Well, with magnetic field reversals, it isn't the magnetic field that moves- it's the PLANET.

Think about the implications... a blast shelter might help, or it might not. Ya gotta come out sooner or later, and for a few years there might not be much there to support you. Say you started out the pole shift where Hawaii was, and ended up where Antarctica is...

dd
 

Windi

Newbie
Worst case scenario, the Earths magnetic field disappears completely sometime within the next decade (say tomorrow if you really want to go all out DOOM!), and we get exposed/cooked to/by all of those pesky energetic particles the Sun shoots out that are normally deflected by the magnetic field.

If I remember correctly, in the book of Revelations, there is a prophocy of people being burnt to death by being outside. Im not positive about this. I am at work so I cannot look it up. But if true, then this could be Biblical. Another words expect it to happen soon.

A question though, could this have anything to do with so many people feeling dizzy, light headed? My stepson and I both have had boughts of this in the past couple of weeks.

Windi
 

Patrick28

Inactive
If I remember correctly, in the book of Revelations, there is a prophocy of people being burnt to death by being outside. Im not positive about this. I am at work so I cannot look it up. But if true, then this could be Biblical. Another words expect it to happen soon.

A question though, could this have anything to do with so many people feeling dizzy, light headed? My stepson and I both have had boughts of this in the past couple of weeks.

Windi

My goodness you people need to get lives. As stated about 60 thousand times here over the course of the past 10 years, a magnetic field reversal, whether it occurs over 30 days or 30 seconds or 30 thousand years will not kill off anyone.

Some Eskimos have been living in areas where the magnetic field protection is basically zero for millenia, and they haven't gotten burned to death yet.
Reality is maybe over a few decades there would be increases in skin/other similar cancers, mutations etc.. But if a reversal could occur in 30 days (that's absurd but keep on believing that, that's okay) then within 30 days we'd be right back to where we are today but with inverse poles.

Yes, compasses would need recalibration... some migratory species might get confused...etc.... NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.

Magnetic field reversal and physical pole reversal are two different things.

Physical pole reversal is impossible and magnetic pole reversal will have minuscule impacts on society as a whole.

But hey, there's a 1 in 20,000 chance that a passing star could knock the earth out of it's orbit over the next billion years.... Start worrying about that!.... That's about a 1 in 8,000,000,000,000 chance it could happen in your lifetimes... I don't like the sound of those odds... better start preparing and fearing right now!!!
 

Caplock50

I am the Winter Warrior
As I see it, the problem with this and many other 'scenarios' is that we have become way too 'specialized' in our thinking. We will take one 'little' thing and ponder on it...and usually conclude that it can't do us any harm. This is probably very much true, but... But add in a few 'other scenarios' and then what do you get? We have *got* to drop the 'specialized' thinking and adopt a 'generalized' view of things. For instance, take the disease, the flu. By itself, we can survive it. But what if we add in poor nutrition, and/or being naked in a freezing climate... See what I mean? Ya jist gotta look at tha really big picther ta know whut's a'comin', ya know? Or take, for another instance, a small splinter in your hand...no biggie by itself. But how dirty was it? And what other 'bugs' are being fought by your immune system already? Get it? By itself, a pole reversal might be a 'nothing', but combined with other things.....
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Yes, compasses would need recalibration... some migratory species might get confused...etc.... NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.

Magnetic field reversal and physical pole reversal are two different things.

Physical pole reversal is impossible and magnetic pole reversal will have minuscule impacts on society as a whole.


er, no.
a MAGNETIC pole reversal would mean the magnetosphere which protects the Earth from cosmic and solar radiation would collapse for a period of time (probably a year or so) before becoming re-established. that's why so many species die off suddenly during that year. Robert Felix hold the point of view that about 70 % of species existant at the time of magnetosphere collapse disappear. that is a Biblical percentage (book of Revelations indicates about 2/3 of all life on Earth are extinguished).

some people are assuming way too much about what they think they already know.
 

Patrick28

Inactive
er, no.
a MAGNETIC pole reversal would mean the magnetosphere which protects the Earth from cosmic and solar radiation would collapse for a period of time (probably a year or so) before becoming re-established. that's why so many species die off suddenly during that year. Robert Felix hold the point of view that about 70 % of species existant at the time of magnetosphere collapse disappear. that is a Biblical percentage (book of Revelations indicates about 2/3 of all life on Earth are extinguished).

some people are assuming way too much about what they think they already know.

And I'm saying Robert Felix is full of sh*t. Think some people like you assume those people don't have an agenda.

I've studied magnetic fields as part of my astrophysics degree, and come to think of it, in high school :) The field is generated by the "sloshing" of the molten core (that's why planets with solid/frozen cores do not have significant magnetic fields).... The field can't collapse for a year....

And if it DID, death would be from famine due to agricultural breakdown, not due to people 'burning'. Maybe a few % points increase in cancers/birth defects would be the result.... but don't worry, it won't... unless the earth's core suddenly turns solid... which is also not possible...basic thermodynamics :)
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If there are large numbers of pole reversals, why doesn't EVERY pole reversal have an associated mass extinction? Answer: They don't.

I challenge anyone to name a single mass extinction that can be linked to any of the generally accepted mass extinctions (see below). Feel free to use this list to find an associated pole reversal correlation for each extinction event.

000,012,900 - MEGAFAUNA EXTINCTION in North America
014,000,000 - MINOR MASS EXTINCTION (mid-Miocene event)
035,000,000 - MODEST MASS EXTINCTION, onset of Antarctica glaciation
054,000,000 - SMALL MASS EXTINCTION
065,000,000 - MASS EXTINCTION (K-T event), 70% of all species went extinct, no land animal over 25 kg is known to have survived
074,000,000 - REGIONAL EXTINCTION in North America
091,000,000 - LESSER MASS EXTINCTION
112,000,000 - SMALL MASS EXTINCTION (Aptian event)
144,000,000 - LESSER MASS EXTINCTION (Tithonian event), 33% of all marine species went extinct
191,000,000 - SMALL MASS EXTINCTION (Pliensbachian event)
199,000,000 - MASS EXTINCTION (end Triassic) in Europe but not so clear elsewhere
205,000,000 - MASS EXTINCTION (TR-J event), 60-70% of all species went extinct
225,000,000 - LESSER MASS EXTINCTION (Carnian event), 40% of all marine species went extinct
250,000,000 - MASS EXTINCTION (end Permian), 95% of all species went extinct, only time insects also took an extinction hit
367,000,000 - MASS EXTINCTION (F-F event)
376,000,000 - MASS EXTINCTION (late Devonian)
439,000,000 - MASS EXTINCTION (end Ordovician, aka Ashgillian event), 70% of all species went extinct
512,000,000 - MASS EXTINCTION (early Cambrian)
 
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packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Last flip was 780,000 years ago not 30,000.

Depends on who you ask as to when the actual last flip occurred, my neighbors are both well respected geologists in their field (married couple) and they say 30K years give or take a thousand years.

K-
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
The time that humanity was reduced to the 2k figure (2K breeding females, going by the mitochondrial DNA evidence, actual population was likely double or triple that) was closer to 70,000 years ago and the most likely culprit for that seems to be the eruption of the Lake Toba Super Volcano that happened relatively close to that time.

Disagree humanity experiences a reset more frequently more like every 5K years, and Toba is not the only super volcano that has exploded in the last 70K years. Toba gets way too much attention in my opinion.

K-
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
If there are large numbers of pole reversals, why doesn't EVERY pole reversal have an associated mass extinction? Answer: They don't.

Most pole reversals are not complete flips but are partial flips like the one we have been witnessing for the past 20 or so years. The poles wander. Last I heard the magnetic north pole is now somewhere north of Moscow.

Partial magnetic flips are observed on a regular basis with atoms seems to me that the earth is a macro version of an atom and therefore will also experience partial magnetic flips.

And in theory humans have only been around for what 100k years, another reason why humanity hasn't seen too many mass extinctions. According to my geologist neighbors there have been 3 flips in the last 100k years, these may not be complete flips but the evidence is there to support three flips. What causes them? Probably solar activity.

K-
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
er, no.
a MAGNETIC pole reversal would mean the magnetosphere which protects the Earth from cosmic and solar radiation would collapse for a period of time (probably a year or so) before becoming re-established. that's why so many species die off suddenly during that year. Robert Felix hold the point of view that about 70 % of species existant at the time of magnetosphere collapse disappear. that is a Biblical percentage (book of Revelations indicates about 2/3 of all life on Earth are extinguished).

some people are assuming way too much about what they think they already know.

Good point, I do think the collapse time will be shorter than a year though but that's getting nit picky on my part. But it WILL be enough to kill off most everyone on the planet a month would be more than suffecient for this I would think under a complete collapse. I think this is why the Bible tells us there will be NO place to hide not even in holes in the ground and and I think it's in Isaiah that quotes about men attempting to build nests in the sky - space station. Seems a collapse of the magnetosphere would affect anything alive on the space station as well.

K-
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
And I'm saying Robert Felix is full of sh*t. Think some people like you assume those people don't have an agenda.

I've studied magnetic fields as part of my astrophysics degree, and come to think of it, in high school :) The field is generated by the "sloshing" of the molten core (that's why planets with solid/frozen cores do not have significant magnetic fields).... The field can't collapse for a year....

And if it DID, death would be from famine due to agricultural breakdown, not due to people 'burning'. Maybe a few % points increase in cancers/birth defects would be the result.... but don't worry, it won't... unless the earth's core suddenly turns solid... which is also not possible...basic thermodynamics :)

Thermodynamics... cool one of my areas of concentration!!! If the core slows down significantly enough it can cause a collapse but in reality an ice age would be the bigger threat.

Actually given a large enough impact yes the field could collapse for a year or even longer and in theory solar activity could cause regeneration of the field after the collapse. It all depends on what the impact is and the size of the impact and the types of radiation that is released upon impact. If it can happen to an atom in the lab it can happen on the macro scale, macro meaning planetary sized objects.

K-
 

MamaDel

Inactive
Is there any biblical/prophetic basis for this?

None that I have heard of.....

Perhaps, depending on how one interprets Isaiah...


THE EARTH TURNED UPSIDE DOWN


24:1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

THE EARTH IS BROKEN DOWN AND MOVED EXCEEDINGLY


24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.


THE EARTH AXIS IS OUT OF BALANCE


24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
 
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Hey Patrick:




And I'm saying Robert Felix is full of sh*t.


Please quote me the first two sentences of Felix's book, page 37.



Thanks.
 

Patrick28

Inactive
Thermodynamics... cool one of my areas of concentration!!! If the core slows down significantly enough it can cause a collapse but in reality an ice age would be the bigger threat.

Actually given a large enough impact yes the field could collapse for a year or even longer and in theory solar activity could cause regeneration of the field after the collapse. It all depends on what the impact is and the size of the impact and the types of radiation that is released upon impact. If it can happen to an atom in the lab it can happen on the macro scale, macro meaning planetary sized objects.

K-

Complete horse poo. The earth's magnetic field would exist with or without a sun even being there at all. The sun's influence helps only shape it.

You don't sound like you have your high school, let alone a good grasp of thermodynamics.

If the sun were to just turn itself off tomorrow, it would still take MILLIONS of years for the earth's core to cool enough to solidify.

Ice age related to the temperature of the earth's core?? HAHA more complete crap - BTW, we are in an ice-age right at this moment..have been for a long time. We are in what's called an interglacial period....right smack dab in the middle of an ice age.

Radiation affects magnetic fields now??? LOL! What kind of wave?? :P

And no, you can't regurgitate what happens on a quantum scale, to solar system scale. You know that the little drawings of electrons circulating around the nucleus of an atom is just an illustration for kids right? It doesn't actually work like that.
 

Patrick28

Inactive
Hey Patrick:




And I'm saying Robert Felix is full of sh*t.


Please quote me the first two sentences of Felix's book, page 37.



Thanks.

I don't need to read his book. His claims are ludicrous, period.

Don't make me pull up and quote your 5,000 or so failed predictions posted here over the years. The earth's always ending within the next month for sure sure sure this time, with you. Yet we are still all here!

This used to be a prepper board, not a crazy pseudoscience (if you can even call it that) delusional G-L-P type board.

Mods if you don't start demanding this quack stuff stay in "alternative topics" your user-base will keep dwindling. I'm just about ready to call it quits myself.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
I heard that it would be more intence because of our crossing the black hole in the center of our galixy.

i don't have the heart to tell him that we are NOT going to be traveling from our position near the rim of the galaxy through the center of the galaxy anytime soon.

Patrick 28: regarding Felix's book, you might at least recognize that there's a reason he wrote it, and it is based on scientific observations around the world and recorded in the scientific literature for quite some time.

at least he quoted known science observations. all we have from you are pontifications and assertions that you have a high school education.
 

TJA

Veteran Member
Depends on who you ask as to when the actual last flip occurred, my neighbors are both well respected geologists in their field (married couple) and they say 30K years give or take a thousand years.

K-

Maybe partial flips in localized areas but I doubt that there have been any complete flips other than the one 780,000 years ago.

Disagree humanity experiences a reset more frequently more like every 5K years, and Toba is not the only super volcano that has exploded in the last 70K years. Toba gets way too much attention in my opinion.

K-

I haven't seen anything other than the population bottleneck of approximately 70k years ago and the only other supervolcano eruption that I'm aware of since Toba from roughly that same time period is Lake Taupo about 26,000 years ago. Would like to see more about these other resets that doesn't come from some 'out there' source, most of those I've looked into seem to be more concerned about selling books than investigating anything of interest.
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
This happens everytime the warnings start coming out again about every 12,000 to 15,000 years.

Yay sayers and nay sayers. The nay sayers always lose but that's ok. Doesn't matter.

And no, not everyone dies. Usually about 99.99% of them, but most will be back, eventually. So out of 6 billion people that would leave about 6 million to get things going again.

The ones yelling the loudest about these warnings are the ones that remember the last time. Of course there's no way they can prove it, but they still don't consider it wasted breath because many are heeding the warnings. Even the gov. of this world are preparing. But they're not going to tell you outright.

Doesn't matter to me if people listen or not. Doesn't change anything. :spns:
 
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