Where's Al $harpton to decry this attack??
Oh, right. The victim was a honky...
Oh, right. The victim was a honky...
WAR Vancouver, WA - black woman throws acid in white woman's face
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Zulu Cowboy
Keep It Real...
You do have a point...and statistically you are correct. But it's like asking why Asian school kids tend to do better at math? Or why Jewish folks tend to excel in banking or in the entertainment industry? I don't know the answer...
That's just the way it is...But that doesn't mean that ALL Asian kids are going to be mathematical geniuses, or that ALL blacks are good at basketball, or are thieving, murderous thugs. I just think people need to be careful about painting an entire race of humanity, with such a broad brush.
Perhaps a better criteria for judging human beings should be good vs. evil...instead of black vs. white. It takes a bit more discernment...but it's a much better gauge of a person's true worth.
Zulu Cowboy
baygoldbug
Inactive
In my neighborhood, the crime rate for blacks is now far overshadowed by the crime rate for illegal immigrants from the southern border.
Most of it doesn't hit the press for political reasons.
Upstanding black citizens here are as fearful of mexican gangbangers as many white folks are fearful of blacks.
I suspect that it's also like that in many other areas of the country.
Perception is relative.
- BGB
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Most of it doesn't hit the press for political reasons.
Upstanding black citizens here are as fearful of mexican gangbangers as many white folks are fearful of blacks.
I suspect that it's also like that in many other areas of the country.
Perception is relative.
- BGB
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imaginative
keep your eye on the ball
You do have a point...and statistically you are correct. But it's like asking why Asian school kids tend to do better at math? Or why Jewish folks tend to excel in banking or in the entertainment industry? I don't know the answer...
But that doesn't mean that ALL Asian kids are going to be mathematical geniuses, or that ALL blacks are good at basketball, or are thieving, murderous thugs. I just think people need to be careful about painting an entire race of humanity, with such a broad brush.
Perhaps a better criteria for judging human beings should be good vs. evil...instead of black vs. white. It takes a bit more discernment...but it's a much better gauge of a person's true worth.
Zulu Cowboy
So we can acknowledge that there are noticeable differences between the races? Certainly not everyone within a race is like the majority- there are Asians who are not good in math, Jews who dont do well in banking and blacks who can't dribble; no need for the broad brush.
I agree that everyone ought to be accepted on their own 'merit'. The problem in the real world is that we dont always have the luxury of interacting with an individual in order to determine their 'merit' or lack thereof.
But, at the same time there are obvious patterns and statistics that would allow a sensible person to make rational decisions. If one is substantially more likely to be a crime victim in a certain situation- it would only be sensible to avoid that situation as much as possible.
The crime statistics in the US of A (and the entire world also) show a dramatic distinction between black vs white violent crime offenders. Sometimes- rather than attempting to judge an individual on their 'merit' one is better off to not put themselves and their loved-ones into a statistically far less-safe situation.
I agree that we ought to judge individuals on your "good vs evil" scale- but I also believe that- until we really know someone- we need to exercise discernment and crime statistics do provide us with a proper perspective to do that.
Mzkitty
I give up.
I've thought about this since posting it.
Right now, I feel that, as far as I know, this is the very first acid attack on a woman in this country that wasn't done by a muzzie fanatic (unless this woman is a black muslim or something). There has never been an acid attack by any woman on another woman (any race) here that I know of.
Therefore, either this woman is a nut bag period and is seriously mentally deranged and needs to spend the rest of her life in a criminal psychiatric hospital, OR: it's the start of attacks all over the country that she is participating in.
We don't know which it is yet. We'll see. Be watchful of the news in the near future for crimes like this.
Right now, I feel that, as far as I know, this is the very first acid attack on a woman in this country that wasn't done by a muzzie fanatic (unless this woman is a black muslim or something). There has never been an acid attack by any woman on another woman (any race) here that I know of.
Therefore, either this woman is a nut bag period and is seriously mentally deranged and needs to spend the rest of her life in a criminal psychiatric hospital, OR: it's the start of attacks all over the country that she is participating in.
We don't know which it is yet. We'll see. Be watchful of the news in the near future for crimes like this.
imaginative
keep your eye on the ball
Maybe a gang initiation, MzK? One page 1 I posted another black (male)-White female random acid attack just a bit South of this one that happened a few weeks earlier.
The victim here helped draw a police sketch...
Composite sketch released by the Vancouver police of the suspect who they say threw acid in the face of Bethany Storro Monday evening in Vancouver
http://www.katu.com/news/local/102112659.html
The victim here helped draw a police sketch...
Composite sketch released by the Vancouver police of the suspect who they say threw acid in the face of Bethany Storro Monday evening in Vancouver
http://www.katu.com/news/local/102112659.html
iamnoturmaid
Contributing Member
I believe everyones feelings toward any race that is different from their own is colored by experience. If you live in a city with high crime and t is predominately black people commiting these crimes it is clear to feel black people are bad in some way.
If you are Black and live in a mostly white community your perceptions good or bad will result from your experiences. I agree it is dangerous to paint a whole group of people based on one attribute they have, whether it is color of skin, weight, intelligence, or attractiveness.
I feel it is the differeces between us that make us relate to eaach other and learn something from those experiences. There is good and bad in all people and different levels of that as well.
just my 2cents
If you are Black and live in a mostly white community your perceptions good or bad will result from your experiences. I agree it is dangerous to paint a whole group of people based on one attribute they have, whether it is color of skin, weight, intelligence, or attractiveness.
I feel it is the differeces between us that make us relate to eaach other and learn something from those experiences. There is good and bad in all people and different levels of that as well.
just my 2cents
Sasquatch
Veteran Member
...But that doesn't mean that ALL Asian kids are going to be mathematical geniuses, or that ALL blacks are good at basketball, or are thieving, murderous thugs. I just think people need to be careful about painting an entire race of humanity, with such a broad brush.
Zulu Cowboy
Zulu
The discussion that has taken place between Imaginative and you is one of the most rational I have seen in some time, for that I commend both of you. It is a pleasure to read a logical discussion and obtain additional view points.
Having said that, in this day and age, it is unwise for anyone to let their guard down around anybody. And, for ME it is asinine to let your guard down around ANY BLACK because off the current economic conditions, and the shear number of Blacks commiting crimes. There MAY be a few individual exceptions to this, but not very many.
I have my guard up around everyone I do not know. I'm cautious AT ALL TIMES being very aware of my surroundings and especially so when Blacks are nearby. Rational? maybe not, but I will error on the side of caution every time (when I remember).
Sasquatch
baygoldbug
Inactive
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Wow!!!
You all must live in areas devoid of Hispanics.
The sketches in Imaginative's posts #37 and #48 ARE NOT BLACK PEOPLE.
#37 - The man looks more Columbian than anything else. Many Columbians are dark skinned. Acid throwing is known to be a drug/gang initiation rite in Columbia.
#48 - The woman looks Puerto Rican. Many PRs are dark skinned and the women can be quite volatile, especially if you mess with their money or their men.
Our city is a sanctuary for legal and illegal Hispanics so we're exposed to a wide cross section of Latinos, Latin cultures and crimes.
- BGB
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Wow!!!
You all must live in areas devoid of Hispanics.
The sketches in Imaginative's posts #37 and #48 ARE NOT BLACK PEOPLE.
#37 - The man looks more Columbian than anything else. Many Columbians are dark skinned. Acid throwing is known to be a drug/gang initiation rite in Columbia.
#48 - The woman looks Puerto Rican. Many PRs are dark skinned and the women can be quite volatile, especially if you mess with their money or their men.
Our city is a sanctuary for legal and illegal Hispanics so we're exposed to a wide cross section of Latinos, Latin cultures and crimes.
- BGB
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nharrold
Inactive
Good point. And to extend your philosophy, I apply it not only to racial groups, but to other groups such as police officers, whether white or black or whatever. For obvious reasons, they have lost my respect and confidence, and I will err on the side of caution every time I am within weapon range of them. These various groups have demonstrated what they are, and one ignores that evidence at his/her own peril. No wishful thinking, here.
Josie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Another possibility could be it was an affair of the heart that didn't workout and caused her a lot of heartache. Sometimes, it's just better to get away from everything that reminds and hurts.
Edited to add: Gang initiation was my very first thought for possible motive.
Mzkitty
I give up.
Hmmm, from your second link, Mark:
The attacker is described as a hispanic female, 30 to 40 years old, with black, shoulder-length hair in a ponytail, about 5-foot-6 and 140 pounds, with "wide hips." She was wearing a black tank top and black sweat pants with a white stripe.
and from my original post:
Police said the assailant was described as a black woman between 25 and 35, who wore a green shirt and khaki shorts, The Columbian reported. She had medium-length black hair that was pulled back.
Same rotten b*tch?
baygoldbug
Inactive
And this isn't a "black woman". This is a f'ing ****** animal that needs to be strung up from the nearest tree. And believe me, I'ld rather use much stronger language...
Yea, go ahead, call me a racist...
Sys,
The assailant is now being identified as Hispanic. (and see my post #52 above)
You may be a little quick on the trigger.
I do agree with your "animal" assessment.
- BGB
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imaginative
keep your eye on the ball
When did the description of the perp change? I haven't seen any change in the description
Mark Armstrong
Veteran Member
If you're referring to the assailant described in post #56, that was a different attack, one that took place in Mesa Arizona. The attack that this thread discusses took place in Vancouver Washington. As far as we know at this time, it may have been two different assailants.
According to the New York Daily News account, the victim in the Washington attack "was celebrating her new job when a stranger approached her and asked, "Hey pretty girl, do you want to drink this?'"
Makes me wonder whether the attacker might have applied for the same job, and thought she lost out to the other girl due to her looks? Might she have been a former employee that had just gotten fired? (Just thinking of possibilities that haven't been mentioned yet.)
Also from the New York Daily News story is this comment from the victim:
"I have never, ever seen this girl in my entire life," Storro said. "When I first saw her, she had this weirdness about her - like jealousy, rage."
The attacker may have just been plain nuts. Certainly hateful. Nuttiness is no excuse for this sort of atrocity.
That's why you stay in condition yellow, and don't allow stangers to approach you at any time. No one has any business approaching you in parking lots, or on the street. That's just the way it is now days. I always hold my hand up when I see someone coming and say "No Thanks I'm Not Interested." if they continue to approach I get more loud and I'm ready to deploy pepper, or draw.
Could very well be getting away from relationship that didn't work out. Could be a scorned sick jerk lover that followed her here and paid someone to ruin her looks so no one else would want her (a domestic abuse thing gone out of control). I was just trying to point out that until we have more facts, all we are doing is speculating. There is no way to know at this point if this was a crime based on race alone. Or to state with any certainty that this is the beginning of race wars.
I live in a rural ranching community where unemployment has skyrocketed higher than in most of the nation. Crime in the nearest cow town, esp. robbery and assault is increasing seriously. Really bad stuff (old guy shoots and kills roommate, swat teams from 3 counties converge; felon takes young man to BLM land, sodomizes him, tries to kill him by throwing gas on him and then lit matches...and more like that). I am armed (just renewed my ccw and was glad to have it, in a way I haven't felt about it in the 25+ years I've carried concealed); as are all my rancher neighbors. But so are the ex-cons and young unemployed guys and gals who are having drug skirmishes with each other, and too many other scary folks who live out this way. And this is all white on white crime - no blacks here and not many hispanics. Big difference from when I moved here over a decade ago, and esp. from when I visited frequently as a child.
So my policy is that my guard is always up if I am around anyone I don't know, period, regardless of color, gender, age, social class, position of authority, etc. And I see I am not the only one who is acknowledging a heightened awareness of stranger danger right now. There is some serious derangement out there, and no way to tell for certain with strangers which one is trouble (as in the acid attack - the assailant sounds like someone you might pass on the street without feeling the need to cross the street for safety reasons). I've also selectively added a few folks I do know who appear to be on the verge of going off their rocker shortly due to various pressures.
All I can know for sure right now about this acid attack is that the assailant (no matter what the motive) doesn't deserve to live in society with the rest of us. And from what I've heard from the victim in a tv interview, she has an amazingly upbeat attitude, esp. given the circumstances.
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mt4design
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COPYCAT ATTACK?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/06/earlyshow/main6839014.shtml
Sept. 6, 2010
Second Woman in Week Disfigured by Stranger Tossing Acid in Her Face
(CBS) For the second time in a week, a woman has been attacked by an acid-throwing female.
And police and other experts say they suspect the latest assault may be been a case of someone imitating the first.
The latest took place Friday afternoon in Mesa, Ariz.
The victim, Derri Velarde, 41, a mother of five, says it came out of nowhere.
She says she was getting out of her car at home and, "There was a woman walking from the back side of my car. ... She had what I thought was a glass of water in her hand, and then she just stopped abruptly and looked at me and just threw it in my face."
Velarde was splashed with what she originally thought might be water. It turned out to be acid.
"It just instantly was like fire. It started burning intensely, instantly," she told CBS News from her hospital bed.
Velarde was left with severe burns on her face and neck, and along her arms.
The incident, notes CBS News Correspondent Betty Nguyen, was eerily similar to one that occurred Monday in Vancouver, Wash, in which 28-year-old Bethany Storro was also attacked as she left her car. Again it was a female stranger throwing acid.
"It was the most painful thing ever," Storro, her face wrapped with bandages, told a hospital news conference. "My heart stopped, I almost passed out."
"It's absolute hatred of the highest degree," says writer Victoria Schofield, who studies culture and the politics of South Asia, where acid attacks are far more common, and the culprits are usually men. "It is probably in the present day one of the most demeaning forms of punishment you can think of, to destroy someone's face."
And that's why police say it's rare for these kinds of assaults to be random acts. "This type of crime is usually personal in nature, one Mesa police officer says.
Velarde, who is going through a divorce and recently started a new relationship says she doesn't know who her attacker is, speculated that her attacker "wanted to make sure she disfigured me so that no-one would want me."
Paramedics and police say Velarde stopped the burns from getting worse by quickly getting into the shower and rinsing the acid off her body.
On "The Early Show," criminologist Casey Jordan told co-anchor Erica Hill, "The only connection (between the two attacks) is the idea that the Bethany Storro story was in the news so much that it could have actually been inspiration to somebody who already held a vendetta, who got the idea from watching television, if they were jealous, if they were thinking of getting back at somebody. Maybe the idea hatched in this woman's head that this would be the way to actually get retaliation against the woman in Arizona.
Like Schofield, Jordan points out that such assaults happen much more often in other parts of the world. "In international cultures," says Jordan, "it's usually a way of controlling women, especially women who have spurned advances. It's a way of men exerting control and putting women in their place by harming their beauty.
"But that same concept of harming someone's beauty can also be used by other women who are very jealous or upset, because they understand that, in America's culture, a woman's physical, facial beauty is really huge. … So, to get back at somebody, to teach her a lesson, one woman to another, it's usually linked to jealousy or retaliation, almost always over a man or a previous relationship."
Both victims are very pretty, and that likely played a role in both attacks, Jordan says, observing that, "Even though I do believe the attack in Washington was random, don't forget that the attacker there said, 'Hey, pretty girl.' She used the word 'pretty' to describe Bethany before splashing her with the acid. Even though we think, in Arizona, that the woman was targeted, and we don't know who the culprit is, the fact that she is such an attractive woman probably played a role in the choice of attack."
Why use acid?
"It's easy to obtain. It's cheap. I mean, as they say, even the smallest child can strike a match. Well, anyone, male, female, can get a caustic substance at a hardware store and actually do incredible damage to somebody with very little effort."
Jordan had a word of caution for the media. "In the United States, even though we've had a number of acid attacks in the last few years, very few have made the news. There's a balance between giving enough media attention to this to show the problem it's becoming but also walking away and understanding that they are isolated incidents. You don't want to make it into a snowball factor where people get the idea."
© MMX, CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved.
COPYCAT ATTACK?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/06/earlyshow/main6839014.shtml
Sept. 6, 2010
Second Woman in Week Disfigured by Stranger Tossing Acid in Her Face
(CBS) For the second time in a week, a woman has been attacked by an acid-throwing female.
And police and other experts say they suspect the latest assault may be been a case of someone imitating the first.
The latest took place Friday afternoon in Mesa, Ariz.
The victim, Derri Velarde, 41, a mother of five, says it came out of nowhere.
She says she was getting out of her car at home and, "There was a woman walking from the back side of my car. ... She had what I thought was a glass of water in her hand, and then she just stopped abruptly and looked at me and just threw it in my face."
Velarde was splashed with what she originally thought might be water. It turned out to be acid.
"It just instantly was like fire. It started burning intensely, instantly," she told CBS News from her hospital bed.
Velarde was left with severe burns on her face and neck, and along her arms.
The incident, notes CBS News Correspondent Betty Nguyen, was eerily similar to one that occurred Monday in Vancouver, Wash, in which 28-year-old Bethany Storro was also attacked as she left her car. Again it was a female stranger throwing acid.
"It was the most painful thing ever," Storro, her face wrapped with bandages, told a hospital news conference. "My heart stopped, I almost passed out."
"It's absolute hatred of the highest degree," says writer Victoria Schofield, who studies culture and the politics of South Asia, where acid attacks are far more common, and the culprits are usually men. "It is probably in the present day one of the most demeaning forms of punishment you can think of, to destroy someone's face."
And that's why police say it's rare for these kinds of assaults to be random acts. "This type of crime is usually personal in nature, one Mesa police officer says.
Velarde, who is going through a divorce and recently started a new relationship says she doesn't know who her attacker is, speculated that her attacker "wanted to make sure she disfigured me so that no-one would want me."
Paramedics and police say Velarde stopped the burns from getting worse by quickly getting into the shower and rinsing the acid off her body.
On "The Early Show," criminologist Casey Jordan told co-anchor Erica Hill, "The only connection (between the two attacks) is the idea that the Bethany Storro story was in the news so much that it could have actually been inspiration to somebody who already held a vendetta, who got the idea from watching television, if they were jealous, if they were thinking of getting back at somebody. Maybe the idea hatched in this woman's head that this would be the way to actually get retaliation against the woman in Arizona.
Like Schofield, Jordan points out that such assaults happen much more often in other parts of the world. "In international cultures," says Jordan, "it's usually a way of controlling women, especially women who have spurned advances. It's a way of men exerting control and putting women in their place by harming their beauty.
"But that same concept of harming someone's beauty can also be used by other women who are very jealous or upset, because they understand that, in America's culture, a woman's physical, facial beauty is really huge. … So, to get back at somebody, to teach her a lesson, one woman to another, it's usually linked to jealousy or retaliation, almost always over a man or a previous relationship."
Both victims are very pretty, and that likely played a role in both attacks, Jordan says, observing that, "Even though I do believe the attack in Washington was random, don't forget that the attacker there said, 'Hey, pretty girl.' She used the word 'pretty' to describe Bethany before splashing her with the acid. Even though we think, in Arizona, that the woman was targeted, and we don't know who the culprit is, the fact that she is such an attractive woman probably played a role in the choice of attack."
Why use acid?
"It's easy to obtain. It's cheap. I mean, as they say, even the smallest child can strike a match. Well, anyone, male, female, can get a caustic substance at a hardware store and actually do incredible damage to somebody with very little effort."
Jordan had a word of caution for the media. "In the United States, even though we've had a number of acid attacks in the last few years, very few have made the news. There's a balance between giving enough media attention to this to show the problem it's becoming but also walking away and understanding that they are isolated incidents. You don't want to make it into a snowball factor where people get the idea."
© MMX, CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved.
nharrold
Inactive
Yep. Profiling has saved my butt many, many times.
nharrold
Inactive
That's why you stay in condition yellow, and don't allow stangers to approach you at any time. No one has any business approaching you in parking lots, or on the street. That's just the way it is now days. I always hold my hand up when I see someone coming and say "No Thanks I'm Not Interested." if they continue to approach I get more loud and I'm ready to deploy pepper, or draw.
My wife has recently demonstrated a much greater situational awareness when out and about, much to my approval. She now pays more attention to people and activities in her area. As just one example, she no longer approaches panhandlers to offer them a dollar or commiseration.
This is no longer the world that she and I grew up in, and the realization of that is finally sinking in. The wishful thinking is now history.
Jeff Allen
Producer
I think the "have a plan to kill everyone you meet" sounds reasonable....but in reality, I'm really not all that sure HOW to kill anyone with just me little hands....and, I don't have any experience killing people anyway. (which is how I would prefer to be able to live the rest of my life...)
However, I can have a plan to "push everyone I meet on their ass and run away"....
I'm really more of a "send 100 people against me across a 500 yard field" sort of guy...I'd do just fine there...but CQB with no weapons...I will run to a weapon if I can....hows that for "wimpiness"?
Problem being, I just don't see how you can expect to defeat a determined RANDOM act of violence....I think being very vigilant and avoiding the situation entirely is possible for many types of crimes, but this is tough. I can say, if I saw someone toss something in someones face I'd do what I could to tackle the dirtbag acid tosser.....
I sure feel bad for vicitims of this type (well, hell, ALL types) of crime....
What a shame.
J
However, I can have a plan to "push everyone I meet on their ass and run away"....
I'm really more of a "send 100 people against me across a 500 yard field" sort of guy...I'd do just fine there...but CQB with no weapons...I will run to a weapon if I can....hows that for "wimpiness"?
Problem being, I just don't see how you can expect to defeat a determined RANDOM act of violence....I think being very vigilant and avoiding the situation entirely is possible for many types of crimes, but this is tough. I can say, if I saw someone toss something in someones face I'd do what I could to tackle the dirtbag acid tosser.....
I sure feel bad for vicitims of this type (well, hell, ALL types) of crime....
What a shame.
J
45nut
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Police say Vancouver acid attack self-inflicted
Police say Vancouver acid attack self-inflicted
by Michael Rollins, KGW staff
Bio | Email | Follow: @KGWNews
kgw.com
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:40 PM
Updated today at 4:27 PM
Related:
* Raw: Acid attack victim speaks
* Acid attack victim leaves hospital
VANCOUVER -- An investigation indicated that the reported acid attack on Bethany Storro was self-inflicted, Vancouver police said Thursday.
They called the incident a hoax during a Thursday afternoon press conference. They said the results of the investigation will now be turned over to the county prosecutor's office.
Chief Clifford Cook said discrepancies started to appear as detectives started to investigate the case. This morning, they served a search warrant, then interviewed Storro, who who told them the attack was a self-inflicted hoax, he said.
The chief said the case unfortunately has cast Vancouver, in particular the downtown area where the hoax took place, as an unsafe area.
Sgt. Scott Creager, who investigated the case, said frankly that "I'm glad it did end this way." There is no predator that the public needs to fear in what he described as a "happy ending" of sorts. The reason for the press conference today was to allay public concerns about safety.
Commander Marla Schuman said Storro was very remorseful, and did not expect the story to take on the scope that it did. The chief said Storro's parents have not been interviewed since the revelations of today. It would be "speculative" to characterize their prior knowledge of the new information, he said.
Storro met with media last week
A remarkably upbeat and candid Storro, 28, sat in front of reporters a week ago at Legacy Emanuel Hospital and described how a woman threw acid on her face.
She spoke for about 20 minutes, sometimes laughing, sometime crying, using a tissue to dab at her eyes or nose, the only part of her face not covered in bandages.
Storro said she held the press conference to draw attention to efforts to find the attacker, but also to talk about her faith.
"I'm here today because of Jesus Christ," she said.
The strength of her faith will allow her to move forward, Storro said, though several times she said that the attacker coming forward to admit what she had done would be an enriching part of that.
"I have no enemies," she said, "In time I'm going to forgive her. Then I can move on."
Storro said she wonders what could have gone through the attacker's mind as she prepared the acidic mixture to throw randomly on a stranger.
Her attacker was very non-descript as far as a potential suspect, she said, and fit in with the usual passersby of the Esther Park area of downtown Vancouver. At the moment of throwing the acid, she appeared to be in a rage.
That Monday, Storro said she had just picked up a paycheck and decided to buy a pair of sunglasses, even though she doesn't favor wearing them.
"For some reason I had this feeling that I needed to go buy some sunglasses," she said. They ultimately saved the vision of a woman who has been partially deaf since childhood. "That's Jesus for sure," she said.
"To be hard of hearing and blind. That would drive them crazy," she said, laughing while motioning to her parents on either side of her.
Doctors have told her it's too early to tell how her recovery will go. The portions of her face that appear green in photographs were the most damaged and may result in scar tissue, or possibly need grafts from the skin on her leg.
Her surgery was basically one massive face peel, she said. She could have waited for the skin to heal more, or have it done right away.
She has been in a great deal of pain, both physically and emotionally. Her family and hospital staff have been kind and supportive. As she would become frustrated, she realized "there's nobody to get mad at. Everyone is so nice to me."
Support via emails and letters have come from all over the world, Storro said, dabbing her eyes as she described how she would move along in life.
"It's not about looks," Storro said.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Columbian-Vancouver-acid-attack-a-hoax-103087864.html
Police say Vancouver acid attack self-inflicted
by Michael Rollins, KGW staff
Bio | Email | Follow: @KGWNews
kgw.com
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:40 PM
Updated today at 4:27 PM
Related:
* Raw: Acid attack victim speaks
* Acid attack victim leaves hospital
VANCOUVER -- An investigation indicated that the reported acid attack on Bethany Storro was self-inflicted, Vancouver police said Thursday.
They called the incident a hoax during a Thursday afternoon press conference. They said the results of the investigation will now be turned over to the county prosecutor's office.
Chief Clifford Cook said discrepancies started to appear as detectives started to investigate the case. This morning, they served a search warrant, then interviewed Storro, who who told them the attack was a self-inflicted hoax, he said.
The chief said the case unfortunately has cast Vancouver, in particular the downtown area where the hoax took place, as an unsafe area.
Sgt. Scott Creager, who investigated the case, said frankly that "I'm glad it did end this way." There is no predator that the public needs to fear in what he described as a "happy ending" of sorts. The reason for the press conference today was to allay public concerns about safety.
Commander Marla Schuman said Storro was very remorseful, and did not expect the story to take on the scope that it did. The chief said Storro's parents have not been interviewed since the revelations of today. It would be "speculative" to characterize their prior knowledge of the new information, he said.
Storro met with media last week
A remarkably upbeat and candid Storro, 28, sat in front of reporters a week ago at Legacy Emanuel Hospital and described how a woman threw acid on her face.
She spoke for about 20 minutes, sometimes laughing, sometime crying, using a tissue to dab at her eyes or nose, the only part of her face not covered in bandages.
Storro said she held the press conference to draw attention to efforts to find the attacker, but also to talk about her faith.
"I'm here today because of Jesus Christ," she said.
The strength of her faith will allow her to move forward, Storro said, though several times she said that the attacker coming forward to admit what she had done would be an enriching part of that.
"I have no enemies," she said, "In time I'm going to forgive her. Then I can move on."
Storro said she wonders what could have gone through the attacker's mind as she prepared the acidic mixture to throw randomly on a stranger.
Her attacker was very non-descript as far as a potential suspect, she said, and fit in with the usual passersby of the Esther Park area of downtown Vancouver. At the moment of throwing the acid, she appeared to be in a rage.
That Monday, Storro said she had just picked up a paycheck and decided to buy a pair of sunglasses, even though she doesn't favor wearing them.
"For some reason I had this feeling that I needed to go buy some sunglasses," she said. They ultimately saved the vision of a woman who has been partially deaf since childhood. "That's Jesus for sure," she said.
"To be hard of hearing and blind. That would drive them crazy," she said, laughing while motioning to her parents on either side of her.
Doctors have told her it's too early to tell how her recovery will go. The portions of her face that appear green in photographs were the most damaged and may result in scar tissue, or possibly need grafts from the skin on her leg.
Her surgery was basically one massive face peel, she said. She could have waited for the skin to heal more, or have it done right away.
She has been in a great deal of pain, both physically and emotionally. Her family and hospital staff have been kind and supportive. As she would become frustrated, she realized "there's nobody to get mad at. Everyone is so nice to me."
Support via emails and letters have come from all over the world, Storro said, dabbing her eyes as she described how she would move along in life.
"It's not about looks," Storro said.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Columbian-Vancouver-acid-attack-a-hoax-103087864.html
momof23goats
Deceased
I don't think this self inflected, but thats what the cops are saying.
self-destructive
hates life
depressed
wanted attention
people made fun of her
Who knows?
Been a way of life for me for years. Was just strangers but the last few years have taught me to Trust No One with a few exceotions.
Jeff...there are a number of way to stop the human body from functioning. A few are instantaneous and quiet tho most one runs the risk of noise-sometimes a LOT of noise either from the method or from the flopping corpse you just created.
Nothing 'wimpy' about retreat if the odds are bad or the situation is untenable.
For example. Two guys tried to rob me one night. I was in a situation where I could have taken both out in an instant however, there was a possibility of me soaking up some lead at close range and the fact I was in the 'hood where these two lived. I had to work there and knew a lot of people but if I took out two of them it might have not been a good thing-think running gun battle for several blocks to retreat.
Mt decision was to play weak until they were both in the proper place where a show of direct force would resolve the issue, keep everyone alive and give me points in the 'hood as both cool but don't **** with me, a standup guy.
Only an idiot goes into a gun battle in an empty parking lot with no cover.
Dan the Power Man
Senior Member
What a sad end to a story.
I think Pogo was right...We have met the enemy, and he is us.
Sysman, I can't believe you wrote what you did; are you the same Sysman we knew back during Y2k?
I think Pogo was right...We have met the enemy, and he is us.
Sysman, I can't believe you wrote what you did; are you the same Sysman we knew back during Y2k?
I would be totally ashamed if I were Sysman, and several others in this thread. I didn't realize how racist many of the posters on TB2000 were until recently. I want to stop coming here because I find this level of racism disgusting. I really thought we were better than that. But I'll be damned if I can't stop coming here for the many good threads regarding being prepared, etc. It's almost an addiction I can't break.
But for the love of God (and Christ if you're a Christian), stop this rampant racism. It is sinful. I hope all the racist "Christians" here realize that. It is a true sin. Keep your racist comments to yourself. No one needs to know what kind of person you really are (whoever you are that are racists.) What is the old Mark Twain expression? “It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.”
Racists are stupid. There's no ands, ifs, or buts about it.
mt4design
Has No Life - Lives on TB
First and foremost, I think your post is not directly relevant to the topic of the original post and it is incendiary and combative. I don't think free people on this board need a lecture or instruction to keep comments to themselves.
Also, comments made on this thread are directly related to the initial FACTS which were first released.
That those "facts" came in to question after further investigation is only relevant NOW, "after the fact." Hindsight is 20/20.
Obviously, this girl has mental issues and her sanity is in question.
In order to think like her, one would have to think in an insane way and in order to have guessed right about what really happened, one would have to an expectation that a person could throw acid on to their own face and create a story to cover her actions.
The fact that people, including myself, couldn't contemplate a possibility where someone might do that or have a strong reaction to the cover story doesn't mean that they are stupid only that they were manipulated in to a position later proven incorrect ONLY by the discovery of new facts.
As an aside, I am honestly not sure how God would feel about your post and your need to chastise others in His name. I think I'll leave that to you and Him.
Mike