ENER My elec co-op and smart meter plan

45nut

Inactive
So, my longtime elec co-op is going forward with the replacement of thousands of analog meters with the "smart meters", which will of course result in the layoff of the current staff of meter readers and open everyone up to the fraud potential of manipulated billings evident everywhere they have been placed so far.

So I called them and asked to speak to the pres of the co-op to discuss this and of course,, he was unavailable.

I got deferred to the "member services director" that has been employed there for an entire 2 months. :dhr:
Talk about dense and arrogant in the face of the failures and messes this will result in not to mention adding to an already crippled unemployment situation this area faces.
\This co-op is spending 4 million dollars in the face of a 9.5% rate increase to make this happen,, assisted by a 4 million dollar grant of "stimulus funds".
Now,, if there were no expenditure of that 4 mill,, would they need the 9.5% rate increase? I never could get a straight answer. They are hell bent in proceeding anyway.

Anyone not current in the smart meter problems should do themselves a favor and run a "smart meter rip off" search thru google.
 

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
So, my longtime elec co-op is going forward with the replacement of thousands of analog meters with the "smart meters", which will of course result in the layoff of the current staff of meter readers and open everyone up to the fraud potential of manipulated billings evident everywhere they have been placed so far.

So I called them and asked to speak to the pres of the co-op to discuss this and of course,, he was unavailable.

I got deferred to the "member services director" that has been employed there for an entire 2 months. :dhr:
Talk about dense and arrogant in the face of the failures and messes this will result in not to mention adding to an already crippled unemployment situation this area faces.
\This co-op is spending 4 million dollars in the face of a 9.5% rate increase to make this happen,, assisted by a 4 million dollar grant of "stimulus funds".
Now,, if there were no expenditure of that 4 mill,, would they need the 9.5% rate increase? I never could get a straight answer. They are hell bent in proceeding anyway.

Anyone not current in the smart meter problems should do themselves a favor and run a "smart meter rip off" search thru google.

I've had it for a couple of years and haven't had a problem.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Our rural co-op went to the "self-reading" meters about 2 years ago. Until then, we had to read it ourselves and write in the reading on their bill/card and send it in every month.

No biggie to do it, but it did get forgotten frequently in the busy times on the farm.

Our bill didn't change ONE tiny bit when they changed the meters.

Summerthyme
 

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
Got a smart meter back last summer. I noticed my cameras no longer detect the power company meter checker.

So I'm sure the usage data is being transmitted to them through the power lines.

I would be interested in finding out how those things work.
 

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
Got a smart meter back last summer. I noticed my cameras no longer detect the power company meter checker.

So I'm sure the usage data is being transmitted to them through the power lines.

I would be interested in finding out how those things work.

Ours are transmitted through the phone lines. How they work is FM.:shr:
 

Metolius

Inactive
Our meter reader just left here after today's reading.

On her previous visit, she told us that the co-op was going to phase out the meter reader jobs in the next year or two. A month later (this morning) she told dh that now the jobs will be gone by end of December this year.
 

John H

Inactive
Some operate over a wireless connection, some over the power lines and I guess some over telco lines.

If our experience is any indication, you'll get charged for the smart meter too, either as a separate line item or built into an increase in the fixed charges.

John H
 

ejagno

Veteran Member
I was the first one in our parish to get the smart meter. My bill actually went down. I've never had a moments problems. I don't have to worry about the meter readers either. I love it.
 
I've been hearing that the electric companies, thru the use of the smart meters will be able to cut your power usage, at their will......if they think you are using too much electricity, they will shut off part of your supply. I know that Alex Jones has reported on it, and I think I've heard it, elsewhere, too.

The power companies are probably not going to start pulling this on us, quite yet, but it is coming. Think Cap and Trade?
 

KenGin31

Veteran Member
Wrong, the meter dosen't have that capabilty. It can only read the usage and transmitt it when poled by the computer.
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
My one remaining dog (Chloë) misses the meter reader. He was dog-centric in that he would stop for a second or two and greet my dog(s) properly. Now that out meter info can e downloaded by the power co, we don't see him anymore.

I suppose many people would keep the "dumb-meter" just from inertia. I'll bet that even today there are still some people with rotary-dial phones that they've been renting from the phone company for decades....
 

blueberry

Inactive
The electric company left a notice on my door last week, saying they would be installing smart meters in my neighborhood soon.
 

45nut

Inactive
Friday, July 23, 2010
Consumers wary of smart meters
By Joey Peters, Special to Stateline



When President Obama signed his economic stimulus bill into law last year, he singled out for praise funding for installing advanced electric meters. It was part of $3.5 billion set aside for so-called “smart grid” improvements. “This investment will place smart meters in homes to make our energy bills lower, make outages less likely and make it easier to use clean energy,” Obama said.

There’s universal agreement that new high-tech meters to replace dials that spin in circles can help do all of the things Obama said they would. Smart meters can be used to send consumers price signals so as to encourage them to use less energy when it is most expensive. They also can let utilities reap new efficiencies by automating meter reading and quickly identifying power outages. But implementation of the idea has been controversial. Increasingly, consumers are calling on state regulators to move cautiously on smart meters, citing complaints in some states that the meters are raising electric bills rather than lowering them.

The latest evidence of a backlash comes from Maryland. Last month, the state’s public service commission rejected an $835 million smart-meter installation plan put forward by the Baltimore Gas and Electric Company, or BGE. The commission’s order professed enthusiasm for the long-run potential of smart meters, but said BGE was asking ratepayers “to take significant financial and technological risks and adapt to categorical changes in rate design, all in exchange for savings that are largely indirect, highly contingent and a long way off.”

Consumer groups were relieved by the decision. “We don’t reject the technology,” says Tiffany Lundquist, a spokeswoman for AARP Maryland, which testified against the plan. Apart from $136 million of federal stimulus money, BGE proposed to have ratepayers fund the installations using a “smart grid charge” on customers’ bills. “The entire cost shouldn’t be borne by the consumer,” Lundquist says “There has to be a balance between the customer and the utility itself.”

BGE submitted a new plan immediately after the rejection, keeping a looming July 30 deadline in mind as a last-chance grab for the stimulus money. This time, BGE pushed back the date when customers would begin paying for the meters and dropped a mandatory time-based pricing requirement that would have allowed it to charge different rates at different times. The Maryland Public Service Commission doesn’t plan to hold hearings on the revised proposal until August, a timeline that may put the federal money at risk. “A $136 million ‘discount’ on an $835 million ratepayer investment cannot dictate the outcome here,” the commission said of the stimulus funds.

A Pacficic Gas and Electric worker installs a smart meter.
Photo courtesy of Pacific Gas and Electric
A Pacficic Gas & Electric worker installs a smart meter. In California, some 6 million of the new high-tech meters already are in use.
Understanding the technology

States across the country, including Maryland, have been experimenting with smart meters on a pilot basis for the past several years. But only recently have regulators begun allowing utilities to roll them out in force. Ohio and Oklahoma recently approved smart meters, to go along with large concentrations of them in California, Colorado and Texas. In California alone, some 6 million homes are equipped with smart meters.

Along with the new technology have come consumer complaints. Individual and class action lawsuits have been filed against utilities in California and Texas, claiming that the meters aren’t reliable and have only produced mounting utility bills for customers. In California, the state Public Utilities Commission launched an investigation into the Pacific Gas & Electric Company after consumers in Bakersfield said that their utility bills shot up around the same time PG&E installed smart meters there.

PG&E, which supplies much of Northern California with natural gas and electricity, has denied any problems with the meters. But Mark Toney, executive director of The Utility Reform Network, a consumer advocacy group in San Francisco, says his office receives 20 to 30 complaints about smart meters each week, most of them citing utility bills “mysteriously going up.”

In April, a state Senate hearing drove PG&E to release records showing that that there were indeed some problems associated with smart meters — but that getting accurate readings wasn’t one of them. There were some problems with faulty installations, failure to preserve customer usage information and trouble sending usage data back to the utility. But the company found only eight meters measuring energy use incorrectly.

In fact, there’s some evidence to suggest that smart meters actually are more accurate than older meters, says Katherine Hamilton, the president of GridWise Alliance, a coalition of technology companies and utilities. “Analog meters degrade and slow down over time,” she says. “Immediately, when you put in a digital meter, the reading will become more accurate.”

That may explain why some consumers are seeing higher bills, Hamilton says. She suggests that the real problem with smart meters may be that consumers have false expectations that they will save money just from having new meters installed. “A meter in the wall doesn’t save money itself,” she says. “It isn’t smart unless the consumer is actively engaged in it.”

New meters are not enough

That message is reinforced by a recent study from the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy, which says that meter initiatives alone aren’t enough to save energy. It concluded that households could cut their electricity consumption by 12 percent and save at least $35 billion over the next 20 years if utilities use them to give consumers more information about how they’re consuming power in ways that will motivate them to cut back.

One of the reasons AARP Maryland didn’t support BGE’s first proposal was because the meters didn’t come with an in-home display unit that would give up-to-date information on energy consumption. Instead, consumers would have to buy that extra piece of equipment. The only alternative would lie in checking the information online, which couldn’t be posted until the next day.

Hamilton says the key to success is to make consumers a part of the process. GridWise Alliance is attempting to do that with focus groups designed to educate consumers about the technology and listen to their feedback. “It’s difficult to do, because it’s not a straightforward project,” she says. “If you don’t know how your consumers will respond, it’s kind of a risk for the utility companies.”

—Contact Joey Peters at jpeters-temp@pewtrusts.org

http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=500546
 

JustCause

Inactive
I would welcome a switch.

Our reader has to open a gate, walk right by our gardens and woodpile (and future home of chicken coop), and hopefully remember to close the gate behind him or her. It is very uncomfortable - too much exposure to me.

I can't help but think of the mental notes that have been taken.
 
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