ECON The US Is 12.9% Of China's Export Market

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I see all the time members here that think China is very dependent on the US to stay afloat. It is not the case. Even Japan now exports more to China than it does to the US. The EU is a bigger market for China than the US.

China is your second biggest export market however after Canada. The difference isn't great either. Mexico is your third trading partner.
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Kent

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The US Is 12.9% Of China's Export Market

Yea, our depresion is hurting your exports.

http://247wallst.com/2009/02/11/china-export-drop-signals-deepening-us-recession/

China’s exports declined 17.5% to $90.45 billion in January. By some measures, the is the biggest drop in a decade. For the same period, China’s imports plunged 43.1% to $51.34 billion.

Both pieces of news are bad for China, and they may be just as bad for the US.
One of the reasons that the US may be taking in fewer goods from China is that American inventories have built up so much. That helped the Q4 GDP numbers, but that inventory is being burned off in this quarter which means what is produced in China and elsewhere is going to stay where it is produced until inventories drop.

To make the import/export picture more complex, most US businesses cannot get the credit to buy what they need. In some cases, this is putting companies out of business.

The China export numbers are a relatively poor indication of the trend in US imports now, even if America is China’s largest trade partner. The numbers should become very important in February and March. At that point, US firms will have cut down their inventories though sales and will need to replenish them. Or, the recession will have dropped demand for goods so hard that China’s factories could be idle all year.
 

China Connection

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Yes Kent but articles like you have just posted are why I started this thread. They give the impression that both countries wouldn't exist without the other. Your article Kent starts off being world based and then goes on to sound like it is between the US and China full stop.

I see all this posturing here on Timebomb all the time between the US and China of recent but nothing on China's other export markets.

From what I see here the government is spending big on public works so exports must be hurting. The slack is being taken up by government spending. The infrastructure is here but for manufacturing and exports. China is not loosing its manufacturing base.

Also I am seeing big cutbacks by parents on education so that tells me that many are hurting in their back pockets. Parents are also looking for more results for their money from teachers. Living costs are going up here mainly on manufactured goods. Food is more costly at the markets but not a lot different in restaurants.


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China Connection

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Well I'm Australian and I know that China is putting money into Australia just like the US. Considering that China is your major lender and in effect is stopping your printing presses from rolling even more than they are, then you need China a lot more than they need you.

When I see your government coming over here and making out their importance and trying to tell the government here how they should be doing things then I shake my head. It is like a beggar with his hand out trying to set terms on the person he is begging from.

Have a look here and see China's external debt along with the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt
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PIMCO: The US Falls Into The Sovereign Debt Ring Of Fire
Vince Veneziani | Jan. 26, 2010, 10:42 AM | 8,636 | comment 12
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http://www.businessinsider.com/pimc...shows-the-true-state-of-sovereign-debt-2010-1

In the latest PIMCO investor letter, Bill Gross brings up a chart he likes to call "The Ring of Fire."

As you can see, this chart/graph details the amount of debt a country has in relation to their GDP.

Countries in the fire zone are headed for hell in a handbasket.PIMCO predicts these countries, which include the U.S., will increase public debt to greater than 90% over the next few years, which will in turn stall growth.

PIMCO: The most vulnerable countries in 2010 are shown in PIMCO's chart "The Ring of Fire." These red zone countries are ones with the potential for public debt to exceed 90% of GDP within a few years' time, which would slow GDP by 1% or more. The yellow and green areas are considered to be the most conservative and potentially most solvent, with the potential for higher growth.

Don't miss: The world's 10 biggest sovereign risks >

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China’s Loan Growth, Inflation Probably Accelerated (Update2)
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By Bloomberg News

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Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- China’s banks probably made more new loans in January than the previous three months combined as lenders anticipated a credit clampdown by policy makers seeking to stem rising inflation pressures.

New bank lending totaled 1.38 trillion yuan ($201 billion) last month, according to the median estimate of 16 economists in a Bloomberg News survey ahead of a government report scheduled for this week. Separate figures are projected to show consumer prices rose the most since 2008 and export gains accelerated.

Regulators are seeking to slow a credit boom loosed last year that may now be inflating a bubble in China’s property market. The week’s economic reports are likely to reinforce expectations for the central bank to start raising interest rates and loosen controls on the yuan in coming months, moves that might trigger similar steps across the region.

“Central banks are looking at China’s policy moves,” said Brian Jackson, an emerging-market strategist at Royal Bank of Canada in Hong Kong who previously worked at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and Bank of England. “More aggressive policy tightening from China, including interest-rate increases and yuan appreciation, will make it easier for the rest of the region to move as well.”

Year-on-year percent changes in some of China’s January economic data may have been distorted by the lunar new year holiday, which was in January last year but February in 2010. Most businesses close for the week-long celebration.

Inflation Quickens

At the same time, trends show accelerating price pressures across the economy poised to become world’s second biggest this year, behind the U.S. Aluminum Corp. of China Ltd., the nation’s top producer of the metal, on Jan. 4 raised alumina prices for the third time in five months. Beijing Yanjing Brewery Co. Jan. 15 raised prices for some of its beer about 10 percent, citing rising costs of fuel and rice.

“Inflation fears are beginning to take over from China’s growth euphoria as both consumer and producer inflation continue to climb,” said Kevin Lai, an economist at Daiwa Institute of Research in Hong Kong. “The central bank must tighten policies more aggressively,” said Lai, who expects the People’s Bank of China to start lifting its benchmark rate as soon as this month.

Central bank Governor Zhou Xiaochuan said in Sydney today that policy makers need to “closely watch” inflation.

Consumer prices probably advanced 2.1 percent in January from a year before, a third straight gain, the median estimate shows. Producer price inflation probably quickened to 3.5 percent, according to the survey. Growth of the M2 money supply measure probably slowed for a second month to 25.9 percent, the median projection shows.

Regional Response

Inflation is also accelerating from South Korea to Vietnam as commodity and food prices rise amid the Asia-led global recovery. Still, South Korea, India, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Taiwan and the Philippines have yet to raise rates and policy makers in countries including Thailand and Taiwan are restraining currency gains, traders say.

In China, authorities have kept the yuan at about 6.83 per dollar since July 2008 to help exporters after letting it appreciate about 21 percent the previous three years. China may allow the yuan to begin appreciate this quarter, which may make its Asian neighbors more comfortable in allowing their currencies to advance, said RBC’s Jackson.

Any need to restrain the yuan may be easing. Exports probably jumped 28 percent last month from a year earlier, and imports probably surged 85 percent, leaving a trade surplus of $20 billion, Bloomberg surveys show.

Growth Quickens

Economic growth accelerated to a 10.7 percent year-on-year pace last quarter, the fastest since 2007, responding to an unprecedented 9.59 trillion yuan of credit extended by banks in 2009 and a 4 trillion yuan two-year fiscal stimulus plan.

The expansion “is probably stronger than Chinese policy makers would like,” Goldman Sachs Group Inc.’s Chief Global Economist Jim O’Neill said in Hong Kong today.

The estimate for new lending in January is 48 percent more than the total extended in the last three months of 2009. It’s also 18 percent of the 7.5 trillion yuan Premier Wen Jiabao’s government set as the target for this year.

Property prices in 70 major cities climbed 7.8 percent in December, the most in 18 months, responding in part to the record credit surge. Poly Real Estate Group Co., the nation’s second-largest listed developer, said yesterday evening that its January property sales jumped 142 percent from a year earlier.

The Shanghai Composite Index has slumped 10 percent since the year began on concern the government will curb lending to cool the economy.

Day of ‘Reckoning’

“There are literally trillions and trillions of renminbi of, frankly, defaulting loans already in China,” Neil McDonald, a business restructuring and insolvency partner in Hong Kong with law-firm Lovells LLP, said at conference last week, using another term for the yuan. “At some point there’s going to be a reckoning for that.”


The central bank asked lenders to set aside more money as reserves on Jan. 12, the first such increase since June 2008. Some lenders have since been asked to limit credit, punished by even higher reserve ratios.

Bank of China Ltd., the nation’s third-largest lender by market value, on Feb. 3 reduced discounts for some mortgages, citing concern about rising property-market risks. Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Ltd., the world’s largest bank by market value, said Jan. 27 it “stabilized” loan growth after lending rose “relatively fast” in the first half of the month.

--Li Yanping. Editors: Chris Anstey, Cherian Thomas

To contact Bloomberg News staff for this story: Li Yanping in Beijing at +86-10-6649-7568 or yli16@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: February 9, 2010 02:39 EST
 

dstraito

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Why would any country buy products from the US where our regressive tax laws, our high Corporate taxes, our restrictive business laws, and our UNIONS drive the price up way over what other countries can produce the same thing for?

Have you heard the expression "We have priced ourselves out of the market"?

I laughed when I heard the goal of doubling our Exports. If we could do that we would already be doing that. We have nothing that anyone wants unless they are going to start exporting our sensitive technology which I wouldn't doubt.
 
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