EDUC Obama wants school vending machines banned

annieosage

annieosage

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VesperSparrow said:
Personally I could care less that you make Katie's lunch everyday but don't go insinuating that the parents who DON'T make their kids lunch are auto-lazy...I mean ya know...:shr:
And MY kid has JUST as much a chance as Katie.
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Just as much a chance as Katie what? I do not understand that?

e.t.a Never mind I see what you mean.

I just don't know why if they are able to a parent would not provide a nutritious home made lunch over the school hot lunch.
 
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No vending machines were in the high school I went to, but there certainly was a "snack line" where they served greasy hamburgers, fries, and milk shakes that were similar to Wendy's Frosty.

Then there was the "hot lunch" line. Where you would get more typical cafeteria food for less money.

The snack line was far busier every day. Kids seek out junk food like a heat seeking missile. Take away their vending machines and I would predict that you will get far more students off campus heading for local businesses to get their sugar fix.

obama keep your friggin hands out of our kids lives.
 
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Again symbolic BS that will do no real good. First off the local HighSchool here has an open campus at lunch, with a mini mart right across the street, so take out the vending machines, they walk across the street.

Also a buddy of mine was telling me about his sons high school DECA store. Seems only single serving products are allowed. So bags of chips are now tiny single serving bags. His son said didnt solve a thing, they just buy two or three now.

Educate them on nutrition, thats how you solve the issue.
 
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big kumara

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Schools are already doing this on a district and state level. In South Dakota, the vending machines are filled with fruit, low fat/low sugar snacks, water, milk, real fruit juices, etc. No one is allowed to drink pop during school hours (including teachers and staff). At hubby's school, the kids are totally okay with the change. In fact, the "healthy" vending machine makes more money now than it did when it was filled with candy and junk food. One of the football players said he lost 25 pounds because he wasn't drinking 3 bottles of Mt. Dew everyday while at school anymore. He was happy. The only ones who really bitched about it were the teachers (they don't handle change well).

Vending machines with pop and candy bars are rolled out for ball games and such.

A mandated "vending machine ban" has been in the works for years, which is why a lot of school districts have been easing into it over the last couple of years.
 
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Red Sky

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Does anybody remember the time when we ate a good breakfast at home, the cafeteria served a substantial healthy lunch that we liked because dessert sometimes even included yummy cinnamon rolls or peanut butter cookies and we actually exercised all during recess? We could buy milk, regular or chocolate for a snack for 3 cents or a nickel and then we went home. Vending machines in school were unheard of. I believe that the change in school lunches, the introduction of vending machines in school, and the vast array of fast food chains have introduced an unhealthy way of eating to our families. It amazes me what people consider a proper meal now. And we have all bought into the "modern" way of eating and by doing so we have become overweight and sick. If we don't make major changes, our children will be more unhealthy than we are.
 
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Quisling said:
I'm so old that no school I ever attended, until college, had a hot food service or vending machines. No problem for us, every school had a small neighborhood store nearby where we stopped to stock up on junk food every day. :lkick:
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That's right! If children want junk food, beer and smokes, they should have to hike across the road to the bowling alley like their parents did. The little tykes probably could use the exercise. :lol:
 
annieosage

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Red Sky said:
It amazes me what people consider a proper meal now. And we have all bought into the "modern" way of eating and by doing so we have become overweight and sick. If we don't make major changes, our children will be more unhealthy than we are.
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Exactly. And do you know that they don't even have recess anymore? We used to have morning recess, lunch, and afternoon recess. Oh not anymore. School starts at 9, lunch is from 11:15 to 11:50 and school ends at 3:20. And here in the desert we harp on the kids to drink water drink water drink water- but God forbid they have to pee between 11:50 and 3:20!!
 
BigBadBossyDog

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Abert said:
Vending machines are not the issue - good or bad it it a LOCAL issue!!
The Feds have no legal right to say what is or is not in your local schools!

What is next that they want to control "O" thinks he is a GOD here to save us from ourselves!
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And that's it in a nutshell.

There is NOTHING that fool Obama will not stick his nose into.
 
Blastoff

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Removing vending machines full of junk will not help until you remove school breakfasts and school lunches full of junk.
 
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Dennis Olson said:
I happen to agree with pulling vending machines out of K-12 schools. I went all through scholl without a single vending machine. SOMEHOW I turned out okay. Those machines dispense nothing healthy or nutritional. The school districts frequently have "profit sharing" agreements with the beverage and snack companies. That's the only reason those machines are in schools in the first place. They need to go. For good.
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Has anyone noticed how FAT kids are these days? In my house, we NEVER had "snack" foods that came in a bag, we had fruit. We carried our lunch to school, and when they started to serve school lunches, they were gross! Was it the Reagan administration that classified KETCHUP as a VEGETABLE? Then what shall we classify the BIG MAC? A well-rounded dinner? I would classify it as 2 or 3 days of diabetes and heart disease producing empty calories that make our country the FATTEST on earth. Soda? Anyone ever hear of milk or water? Get those darn machines out of school. And stop serving Pizza.

"But my kid won't eat it!" WHO'S THE PARENT? Did your Mom and Dad give you a choice or did you A) sit at the table till you ate; B) have it served for breakfast the next day; or C) go to bed without dinnner?

Did you die? NO, you're reading this? Do you eat vegetables? One would hope so. Are you capable of eating in a place with a tablecloth and silverware? Again, one would hope so. Don't be a wuss. Parent Up.
 
undead

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Dennis Olson said:
I happen to agree with pulling vending machines out of K-12 schools. I went all through scholl without a single vending machine. SOMEHOW I turned out okay. Those machines dispense nothing healthy or nutritional. The school districts frequently have "profit sharing" agreements with the beverage and snack companies. That's the only reason those machines are in schools in the first place. They need to go. For good.
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I agree too.

But that's a decision for the school district, not the friggin' FEDERAL government!!!!

Is local control now officially dead?????!!! If so, why don't we just disband our state and local governments once and for all. Nationalize all the local police and teachers and dog catchers, and just put on our green jumpers?

Then all decisions can just flow down from the Messiah.


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msswv123

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I would venture to guess this is part of first lady Michelle Obama's initiative on childhood obesity. She was just on GMA this morning talking about it.

I agree there should be some changes made in the diet and fitness dept in our public schools. PE should be maintained as a regular part of the school year not just as an elective. Vending machines should not be allowed to market soda etc to our children as they are just developing their eating habits that will follow them throughout their lives. My children do not drink soda at home but it is tempting for them when they have immediate access at school and all the other kids are partaking. I also think kids should be able to get water free...at my childrens school it cost $1.00 for a bottled water at lunch.

I think it should be up to the local areas and PARENTS to monitor and collaborate on solutions to these issues. However, parents have to take action to have input and be involved.

Yesterday a new report came out I will see if I can find it and link it....drinking two soda's a week increased the chance of pancreatic cancer by 87%. I think it was a 14 year study..and think 25 - 30 years ago we did not have access or the marketing campaigns for soda that we do now. Kids are drinking sodas now from a VERY young age.

We have to stop sacrificing our children and our health on the altar of the almighty dollar and big marketing of corporations. There are healthy alternatives and children will adapt and develop healthier lifestyles if we implement and enforce them. One thing is to be a good example. If consumers do not buy products guess what the companies have to adapt in some way. Really the only solution to our health care crisis is to create a healthier population and the place to start is with each on of us and our children. We have to stop sitting around WAITING for someone else to do it or depending on a few people to solve problems for us.

Organic milk is a good example..ten years ago you could only buy it in a health food store..now every major chain grocery store carries it. Demand!

If we don't want the federal government meddling in our lives then WE have to take the reins and make things happen. Ultimately our government is designed to be controlled by WE the people...so what kind of job are WE doing and are we each taking that role seriously?..stand or fall it is in our hands~..JMHO...blessings T


Study: Soda Linked To Pancreatic Cancer

2 Sodas Per Week Can Increase Risk

Updated: 7:34 am CST February 9, 2010

MADISON, Wis. -- People who drink two or more sodas each week can increase their risk of pancreatic cancer almost two-fold, according to a new study in Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers & Prevention, a journal of the American Association for Cancer Research.

Pancreatic cancer is one of most deadly forms of cancer. Only 5 percent of those with the disease survive more than five years beyond diagnosis.
http://www.channel3000.com/news/22507925/detail.html
 
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Dennis Olson

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I agree that local school disctricts should self-police in this regard. however, those districts have proven that they are unable to do so, and only want the money, even at the expense of our childrens' health. So be it.

SOMEONE needs to step in and say NO MORE!
 
Greenspode

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Wow, 53 responses and not one of you read the article, including the OP, resulting in a title that is blatantly untrue and debate on something that is not even stated in the article.

The proposal is NOT about banning vending machines. No where in the article does it say anything about banning vending machines.

Now, I don't agree with this legislation, but can we at least debate the actual article and not the made up version that everyone here seems to be getting all upset about.
 
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Greenspode said:
Wow, 53 responses and not one of you read the article, including the OP, resulting in a title that is blatantly untrue and debate on something that is not even stated in the article.

The proposal is NOT about banning vending machines. No where in the article does it say anything about banning vending machines.

Now, I don't agree with this legislation, but can we at least debate the actual article and not the made up version that everyone here seems to be getting all upset about.
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Good grief. You're right, Greenspode. I, too, did not read the article. What a waste of energy this thread ended up being.

The article is NOT calling for a ban on vending machines. It's calling for a change in what vending machines dispense, i.e., ridding school vending machines of cakes, cookies, Twinkies, candy bars, etc. Who in their right mind would argue with that?

This is NOT an Obama issue. Not EVERYTHING is an Obama issue.

p.s. now thanks to the article linking soda to pancreatic cancer, I suddenly want to have my pancreas x-rayed. I'm doomed. I drink massive amounts of Diet Coke.
 
undead

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Dennis Olson said:
I agree that local school disctricts should self-police in this regard. however, those districts have proven that they are unable to do so, and only want the money, even at the expense of our childrens' health. So be it.

SOMEONE needs to step in and say NO MORE!
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You give them that power, then you must also give them the power to say that they can take away local control over ANY other local homeopathic or other associated food or drug (e.g., local marijuana or alcohol laws, etc.) regulations.

Once they have PRECEDENT, they will ride that like a witch on a broom.


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johnnymac

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jba4241 said:
Good grief. You're right, Greenspode. I, too, did not read the article. What a waste of energy this thread ended up being.

The article is NOT calling for a ban on vending machines. It's calling for a change in what vending machines dispense, i.e., ridding school vending machines of cakes, cookies, Twinkies, candy bars, etc. Who in their right mind would argue with that?

This is NOT an Obama issue. Not EVERYTHING is an Obama issue.

p.s. now thanks to the article linking soda to pancreatic cancer, I suddenly want to have my pancreas x-rayed. I'm doomed. I drink massive amounts of Diet Coke.
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I read the article.

Here's a quote of interest:

Vilsack outlined changes that include a push to jettison cookies, cakes, pastries and salty food from school vending machines and cafeteria lines. Vilsack says schools need to help kids eat more whole grains, fruits and vegetables.

"Food served in vending machines and the a la carte line shouldn't undermine our efforts to enhance the health of the school environment," he said. "We must have the capacity to set standards for all the foods served and sold in schools."

1) Show me how anyone is going to get an apple, serving of brocolli or whole wheat bread into a vending machine..

2) And how to force a kid to put his or her money into that vending machine to buy that apple, brocolli or bread..

3) But first show me how its the Federal Government's business to determine what goes on in a school in the first place and why it is so imperative that we support THEIR efforts allow them to have the CAPACITY to set standards in a local issue.

We have a $1.4 trillion dollar deficit and are approaching a 15 trillion dollar national debt. Further, we have 17% unemployment and a host of real problems that do fall within the scope of the federal government.

I think the Ag Sec and his boss need to get back to work on real problems and stop worrying about what Johnny eats at lunch. Its NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.
 
Greenspode

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johnnymac said:
I read the article.

Here's a quote of interest:

Vilsack outlined changes that include a push to jettison cookies, cakes, pastries and salty food from school vending machines and cafeteria lines. Vilsack says schools need to help kids eat more whole grains, fruits and vegetables.

"Food served in vending machines and the a la carte line shouldn't undermine our efforts to enhance the health of the school environment," he said. "We must have the capacity to set standards for all the foods served and sold in schools."

1) Show me how anyone is going to get an apple, serving of brocolli or whole wheat bread into a vending machine..

2) And how to force a kid to put his or her money into that vending machine to buy that apple, brocolli or bread..

3) But first show me how its the Federal Government's business to determine what goes on in a school in the first place and why it is so imperative that we support THEIR efforts allow them to have the CAPACITY to set standards in a local issue.

We have a $1.4 trillion dollar deficit and are approaching a 15 trillion dollar national debt. Further, we have 17% unemployment and a host of real problems that do fall within the scope of the federal government.

I think the Ag Sec and his boss need to get back to work on real problems and stop worrying about what Johnny eats at lunch. Its NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.
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Vending machines in my school district have apples, oranges, bananas, dates, raisins, sandwiches made with whole wheat bread, soups, granola bars, peanuts, sunflower seeds, cheerios, all kinds of good stuff.

I agree it is not the governments business, but don't make it an issue of CAN'T, as if the citizens of this country have no CHOICE but to serve twinkies and milky way bars. That is a ridiculous statement. If school districts are offering this junk in the vending machines, that is something they have CHOSEN to do. Other options are available.

Personnally, I think school districts should be able to sell cigarettes in vending machines if they so choose. What the heck should any of us care if kids eat twinkies, drink Jack Daniels and smoke Camels all day long. Not my kid, not my business.
 
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Greenspode said:
I agree it is not the governments business, but don't make it an issue of CAN'T, as if the citizens of this country have no CHOICE but to serve twinkies and milky way bars. That is a ridiculous statement. If school districts are offering this junk in the vending machines, that is something they have CHOSEN to do. Other options are available.
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The citizens are not making this decision, the Ag Secretary (under orders from his boss's wife) wants to. He wants to decide what goes in the machines and lunch lines. Read the article.

If the parents want their kids to eat granola, they will make that decision. We don't need a gentle dictatorship in DC telling us how and what to eat.

Personnally, I think school districts should be able to sell cigarettes in vending machines if they so choose. What the heck should any of us care if kids eat twinkies, drink Jack Daniels and smoke Camels all day long. Not my kid, not my business.
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Bunch of emotional nonsense.
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Blastoff

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Kids eat crap for school lunch and breakfast because government school food guidelines allow it.....

When I was in elementary school, you ate the peas on your lunch tray or the teacher supervising lunch would not allow you to get up and go out to recess...or you hid them in your milk carton when she wasn't looking...a teacher can't do that today to our little darlings. Matter of fact, I bet you could not find peas on a month's worth of school lunch menus.

Nowadays, kids can eat all day long, in class and out. Sodas, gatorade, water, granola bars, candy, gum, whatever, anywhere. Again, we can't deny the little darlings, they might pass out from hunger or low blood sugar....

Remember when you were a kid and you could not eat between meals..."Wait, or you will spoil your dinner!" - and certainly not in class.

I'm surprised we survived such harsh treatment. LOL
 
SungodRa

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How about they start by taking care of the problem where it begins.....with the FDA's approval of shit and poison for food.
 
Greenspode

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Johnnymac,

What's up with you?? I was simply responding to your implication that putting healthy food in a vending machine was not possible. It is possible, and I explained to you that my school district has no problem doing so.

I also have clearly stated that I do not agree with the gov. having anything to say about what is sold in the vending machines.

So, when you say the gov. should have no say it is a valid opinion, and when I agree with you it is emotional nonsense????

Oh, I see......as long as you get to dictate the DEGREE to which gov. is hands off it is ok, but if someone (who basically agrees with you completely) takes it one step farther and says that the gov. REALLY should have no say about what children consume you have a problem with that.

Freedom....but only on your terms??

Interesting.
 
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Greenspode said:
Johnnymac,

What's up with you??
So, when you say the gov. should have no say it is a valid opinion, and when I agree with you it is emotional nonsense????

Oh, I see......as long as you get to dictate the DEGREE to which gov. is hands off it is ok, but if someone (who basically agrees with you completely) takes it one step farther and says that the gov. REALLY should have no say about what children consume you have a problem with that.

Freedom....but only on your terms??

Interesting.
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When the Olympics has a "Jumping To Conclusions" category, you should try out.

Read the post... Bold face is you, italics is me.


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Personnally, I think school districts should be able to sell cigarettes in vending machines if they so choose. What the heck should any of us care if kids eat twinkies, drink Jack Daniels and smoke Camels all day long. Not my kid, not my business.

Bunch of emotional nonsense.

This part of your post is a bunch of emotional nonsense and has nothing do do with the real problem. That is why I quoted it separately and responded separately from the rest of my post.
 
msswv123

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Greenspode said:
Vending machines in my school district have apples, oranges, bananas, dates, raisins, sandwiches made with whole wheat bread, soups, granola bars, peanuts, sunflower seeds, cheerios, all kinds of good stuff.

I agree it is not the governments business, but don't make it an issue of CAN'T, as if the citizens of this country have no CHOICE but to serve twinkies and milky way bars. That is a ridiculous statement. If school districts are offering this junk in the vending machines, that is something they have CHOSEN to do. Other options are available.

Personnally, I think school districts should be able to sell cigarettes in vending machines if they so choose. What the heck should any of us care if kids eat twinkies, drink Jack Daniels and smoke Camels all day long. Not my kid, not my business.
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Well, we should all care because WE ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT in the long run. When those kids and probably a fair percentage of them receive social services/tax dollars to pay for their medical, dental, etc. have issues due to unhealthy lifestyle, unhealthy diet taxpayers end up footing that bill. We basically foot the bill for alot of the lunches already. So why not make them nutritious and healthy and perhaps lessen the burden on society in the long run. We foot the bill as well when they go to jail for drinking jack daniels etc.

I would say we would be better off if schools had condoms and birth control in the vending machines. I know a young girl (16) right now who just had a baby...she doesn't have a green card can't get a job, she got free medicaid to pay her hospital bills, gets free day care and attends school for free. Yet, we raise a stink if anyone mentions giving kids free birth control.

The kids who are older in school right now may balk at "healthy" food in the vending machines but the younger ones would adapt and probably begin to conform their eating habits and lifestyle as well and there's a good chance they would carry it into the future and probably home to educate their families.

I bet there are thousands and thousands of kids who don't even know what whole grain, fresh vegetables or fruit is. I work in the grocery stores and watch people especially those who have govt. help to purchase food and there's not alot of "good" stuff in the buggies usually. The most unhealthy, processed foods are usually the ones with the lowest prices.


We have to start somewhere to begin to go in a different direction~ blessings T
 
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msswv123 said:
Well, we should all care because WE ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT in the long run. When those kids and probably a fair percentage of them receive social services/tax dollars to pay for their medical, dental, etc. have issues due to unhealthy lifestyle, unhealthy diet taxpayers end up footing that bill. We basically foot the bill for alot of the lunches already. So why not make them nutritious and healthy and perhaps lessen the burden on society in the long run. We foot the bill as well when they go to jail for drinking jack daniels etc.

I would say we would be better off if schools had condoms and birth control in the vending machines. I know a young girl (16) right now who just had a baby...she doesn't have a green card, she got medicaid to pay her hospital bills, gets free day care and attends school for free. Yet, we raise a stink if anyone mentions giving kids free birth control.

The kids who are older in school right now may balk at "healthy" food in the vending machines but the younger ones would adapt and probably begin to conform their eating habits and lifestyle as well and there's a good chance they would carry it into the future.

I bet there are thousands and thousands of kids who don't even know what whole grain, fresh vegetables or fruit is. I work in the grocery stores and watch people especially those who have govt. help to purchase food and there's not alot of "good" stuff in the buggies usually. The most unhealthy, processed foods are usually the ones with the lowest prices.


We have to start somewhere to begin to go in a different direction~ blessings T
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The problem is not what kids eat.

The problem is the government paying for it. And paying for the kids medical treatment later in life. As well as providing medical and educational services to unwed aliens (or citizens for that matter). And giving people money to buy food in grocery stores.

Remove the "safety net" and suddenly there is no more government subsidized junk food or babies or fat kids in schools. People will manage. Strangely they did for thousands of years before welfare. Go figure.

The problem is the government, not the vending machine.
 
Greenspode

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johnnymac said:
When the Olympics has a "Jumping To Conclusions" category, you should try out.

Read the post... Bold face is you, italics is me.


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Personnally, I think school districts should be able to sell cigarettes in vending machines if they so choose. What the heck should any of us care if kids eat twinkies, drink Jack Daniels and smoke Camels all day long. Not my kid, not my business.

Bunch of emotional nonsense.

This part of your post is a bunch of emotional nonsense and has nothing do do with the real problem. That is why I quoted it separately and responded separately from the rest of my post.
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Jeez, this is like playing "whose on first".

You stated that it was not possible to put healthy food in a vending machine.

I pointed out that you were wrong.

I agreed with you that the government should have no say in what kids consume.

I took it one step farther and said that this should apply to anything they consume, not just food.

You are now on a tear about emotional issues and the Olympics.

This conversation with you is like trying to herd cats. Lets just leave it that I agree with you, and actually seem to favor even more freedom than you do, though nothing you are saying even makes sense right now so I can't quite be sure about that. I'm sure you will have further complaints about my agreement with your position, but I will not bother to respond. You seem to be looking for a fight, and are willing to fight with someone on your side in the absence of anyone who disagrees with you.

msswv123 - Then we need to stop paying for it!!!! Do you really believe it is ok for the governemnt to control the activities and habits of the population?? Guess freedom is not a concept you agree with. Freedom to make choices. Freedom to live with the consequences of our choices. Personnal responsibility. Anything ringing a bell here??
 
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johnnymac said:
The problem is not what kids eat.

The problem is the government paying for it. And paying for the kids medical treatment later in life. As well as providing medical and educational services to unwed aliens (or citizens for that matter). And giving people money to buy food in grocery stores.

Remove the "safety net" and suddenly there is no more government subsidized junk food or babies or fat kids in schools. People will manage. Strangely they did for thousands of years before welfare. Go figure.

The problem is the government, not the vending machine.
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Yes, and in the past people actually grew their own food ..and could buy food from their neighbors~ We are so dependent in SO MANY WAYS. How long would it be before a societal breakdown if we could not get to the stores.

Yes, the problem is the government but as I said above WE are supposed to be the government...and just like the children they are going to do what we allow them to do.

So, what are we going to do?...blessings T
 
msswv123

msswv123

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Greenspode said:
Jeez, this is like playing "whose on first".

You stated that it was not possible to put healthy food in a vending machine.

I pointed out that you were wrong.

I agreed with you that the government should have no say in what kids consume.

I took it one step farther and said that this should apply to anything they consume, not just food.

You are now on a tear about emotional issues and the Olympics.

This conversation with you is like trying to herd cats. Lets just leave it that I agree with you, and actually seem to favor even more freedom than you do, though nothing you are saying even makes sense right now so I can't quite be sure about that. I'm sure you will have further complaints about my agreement with your position, but I will not bother to respond. You seem to be looking for a fight, and are willing to fight with someone on your side in the absence of anyone who disagrees with you.

msswv123 - Then we need to stop paying for it!!!! Do you really believe it is ok for the governemnt to control the activities and habits of the population?? Guess freedom is not a concept you agree with. Freedom to make choices. Freedom to live with the consequences of our choices. Personnal responsibility. Anything ringing a bell here??
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Yes, let's do stop paying for it...BUT if people are receiving MONEY and help to eat and pay medical expenses then they should expect that the people giving the money can have some control over what they do.

Yes I agree with FREEDOM...but when I (society~ taxpayers) have to pay the bill for the consequences of others choices then I have a problem with that. When the ones taking personal responsibility are paying and suffering for the other persons freedom or it is encroaching on others then I have a problem with it. So if freedom allows someone to make the choice to kill me/you that should be their right under freedom?

If I pay my own way, pay my own bills and take personal responsibility then I have FREEDOM...IF someone else is footing the bill, taking responsibility for me then I don't have freedom. Just like my children..they are supported by us, funded by us and guess what they abide by our rules until they are FREE on their own.

The government is the product of our FREEDOM and personal choices...WE choose it...We allow it..so this is what we have and the consequences of our own actions or lack thereof~....blessings T
 
Greenspode

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msswv,

Of course it is not ok for someone to make a choice to kill you. Murder is both morally and legally wrong.

Are you proposing that certain foods should be made illegal??

I agree, if we/you/they are paying for someone elses food, we/you/they should have a say in what they eat.

No one is paying for my food, or my childrens food. No one should control what food we have access too.

Controlling what is in the vending machines is only acceptable if those vending machines are only accessed by those on welfare. Last I checked, my kids were allowed access to them as well.

I have no problem with the owners of the machines deciding what to put in them. I just feel it is none of the governments business.

The ones whose health your so worried about will be dead long before their bad choices cost you any money. Societies collapse when the gov is broke and the checks don't come in the mail will take care of them.
 
msswv123

msswv123

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Greenspode said:
msswv,

Of course it is not ok for someone to make a choice to kill you. Murder is both morally and legally wrong.

Are you proposing that certain foods should be made illegal??

I agree, if we/you/they are paying for someone elses food, we/you/they should have a say in what they eat.

No one is paying for my food, or my childrens food. No one should control what food we have access too.

Controlling what is in the vending machines is only acceptable if those vending machines are only accessed by those on welfare. Last I checked, my kids were allowed access to them as well.

I have no problem with the owners of the machines deciding what to put in them. I just feel it is none of the governments business.

The ones whose health your so worried about will be dead long before their bad choices cost you any money. Societies collapse when the gov is broke and the checks don't come in the mail will take care of them.
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No I am not proposing that food be made illegal...at all...or that the government should say what's in vending machines...just stating some logical thoughts on having them in schools and the habits they are developing long term and the consequences. I personally don't even think the vending machines should be in there if they are detrimental to children. However, I think that should be determined by the local area and parents like I said in my earlier post.


Societies collapse when the gov is broke and the checks don't come in the mail will take care of them


yes, and then what happens to the rest of us? Because from what I see we are rather close.

The ones whose health your so worried about will be dead long before their bad choices cost you any money

What?....you don't think that thousands of children every day use medicaid to fix dental problems due to poor diet...or already have health problems?...that cost taxpayers money every day~..My taxes and yours pay for free daycare for children born to teen mothers and their hospital bills, free lunch, free transportation...how will they be dead long before their bad choices cost me money?...blessings T
 
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Anyone who thinks the blood sugar spike from fruit or bread is better than the blood sugar spike from a candy bar or soda doesn't understand how the body works. Buy a testing kit and see for yourself.....you're going to need it eventually anyway if you keep following the govt diet plan.

Kids are hungry all the time because they aren't getting any protein or healthy fats in these govt approved school menus! Their cells are malnourished and swapping one form of sugar for another isn't going to help.

People keep demonizing the fast food hamburger, but it's not the meat, cheese, and mayo that's making kids fat. I just wish someone would load the vending machines with burgers to prove it so we could bury the bogus govt dietary recommendations once and for all.
 
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msswv123 said:
Yes, and in the past people actually grew their own food ..and could buy food from their neighbors~ We are so dependent in SO MANY WAYS. How long would it be before a societal breakdown if we could not get to the stores.

Yes, the problem is the government but as I said above WE are supposed to be the government...and just like the children they are going to do what we allow them to do.

So, what are we going to do?...blessings T
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I am not going to do anything other than vote against any more big government spending politicians who are so fast and loose with other people's money.

As for the kids, I am only responsible for my own. I don't have them in the public system and we don't take any responsibility for other people's children.

There is nothing worse than the concept that WE have to do something about someone else's problem, be it what they eat, how they live or what they do.
 
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jba48

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Look, the answer to those who so fear the federal tentacles from reaching your kids through the schools is pull them out of government school. Homeschool or send them to a Christian school. Even if the federal govt wasn't "interfering" with the schools, the state governments are. And, frankly, the state bureacracy is right up there with the federal government. Trust me. I've worked for both.

On top of that, states receive federal funds for their school systems, do they not? And if they don't, they sure as heck receive federal funds for other programs. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it has happened for decades. So of course the federal government is going to institute rules and policies.
 
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johnnymac said:
I am not going to do anything other than vote against any more big government spending politicians who are so fast and loose with other people's money.

As for the kids, I am only responsible for my own. I don't have them in the public system and we don't take any responsibility for other people's children.

There is nothing worse than the concept that WE have to do something about someone else's problem, be it what they eat, how they live or what they do.
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That is your opinion and you are free to have it...but your children are going to inherit what we/society create and allow. They will have to bear the burden of unsolved problems in the future and deal with the ones who aren't responsible in their daily lives.

I am responsible for my own children as well...but I also have caring and hope for humanity. If children who have no guidance or teaching at home can obtain that from another source then everyone benefits in the future (if it's the right teaching and guidance). There could be hope for the future in the children but only IF they develop the right priorities and practices.

It's all a quagmire...it really is..and at times it seems hopeless to ever change it. It feels like we are riding down a slippery slope and there will be a big CRASH landing at the bottom..It would be great if it were simply someone else's problem but it's not it's all our problem...jmho as well..thanks for the conversation..blessings T
 
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Dennis Olson said:
I agree that local school disctricts should self-police in this regard. however, those districts have proven that they are unable to do so, and only want the money, even at the expense of our childrens' health. So be it.

SOMEONE needs to step in and say NO MORE!
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Dennis,

I agree with your view that junk shouldn't be sold to the kids at school. I disagree that the federal government should be making those decisions. If we have a Constitution we want the .gov to obey, are we going to compromise if they violate it for a cause we approve of?
 
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Dennis Olson said:
Japan's youth culture is much different than ours.
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Well they've got something going for them. (they're also among the highest smokers per capita)
USA is at 38, so I couldn't get them in the capture.
 

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