BRKG Prime Minister Of Haiti Says Hundreds Of Thousands Dead!

Lost Patriot

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8 minutes ago from BreakingNews Headquarters

Just thought I would start a new thread seeing as how the Tsunami Watch has been lifted!
 

Hammer

Veteran Member
That has to be a misquote or exaggeration. Total population is only over 9 million. Even at just 100,000 dead that is over 1% of population. Not to mention if the dead are over 100K then wounded have to be much higher. I guarantee that number goes down. He is exaggerating looking for aid. remember when the initial 9/11 numbers were in excess of 10K?

Hammer
 

Fred

Middle of the road
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...iti-earthquake-death-toll-may-top-100000.html

Haiti earthquake: death toll may top 100,000
The death toll following the earthquake in Haiti could top 100,000, Jean-Max Bellerive, the country's prime minister, said on Wednesday.

The final death toll could be "well over 100,000," the prime minister told the US television channel after his Caribbean nation was struck on Tuesday by a 7.0 magnitude quake.

"I hope that is not true, because I hope the people had the time to get out. Because we have so much people on the streets right now, we don't know exactly where they were living.

"But so many, so many buildings, so many neighborhoods totally destroyed, and some neighborhoods we don't even see people, so I don't know where those people are."

The presidential palace, schools, hospitals and hillside shanties were destroyed in the devastating quake and 30 aftershocks.

The five-story UN peacekeeping headquarters in Port-au-Prince was also brought down by Tuesday's 7.0 quake, which the US Geological Survey said was the most powerful in Haiti in over 200 years. Everyone inside the UN building is believed to have died, France said on Wednesday.

Between 200 and 250 people normally work at the peacekeeping headquarters, located on the road from the city to the hillside district of Petionville, but it is unclear how many were in the building when the quake hit a little after 5pm local time, the deputy peacekeeping chief, Edmond Mulet, said.

The earthquake was felt as far away as Cuba.

Thousands of people gathered in public squares late into the night, singing hymns and weeping.

Many gravely injured people sat in the streets, pleading for doctors. With almost no emergency services to speak of, the survivors had few other options.

"It's really a catastrophe of major proportions," Haiti's ambassador to the United States, Raymond Alcide Joseph, told CNN.
 

johnnymac

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The US will pump billions into Haiti.
The US will send thousands of soldiers and aid workers into Haiti
This will continue for years so much so, that Haiti will be considered a disaster quagmire in a few years much like Iraq or Afghanistan.
Obama will use Haiti to distract the American people unsuccessfully.
Americans will give less to Haiti relief efforts because they simply have no money.
Haiti will be just as bad off five years from now.
 

Perramas

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I never trust the numbers put out by the officials of countries that have been devastated as they know the higher the causality report the bigger the check they get from the USA.

I will wait for numbers from other sources.
 

CelticRose

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That obama will likely use this horrific and devastating quake as a distraction, is both expected and par for the course with regards to how the political machine works.

However that doesn't mitigate the level of suffering for the survivors. Nor does it help them begin to pick up the pieces of their lives.

The people of Haiti have long suffered at the hands of greedy, self serving and worhtless leaders; graft and corruption is merely the status quo (won't point to parallels within our nation ;) ) but that doesn't make the Haitian people any less deserving of aide, prayers, compassion and human dignity.

Anyone on this board who has survived any sort of disaster knows how it is, to lose everything. To struggle with just being able to focus of 'what do I do first?' .......... Now imagine that the person who is trying to grasp their new reality, can't even expect to hope for their government to come to their aide?

Losing your home, your worldly goods, your family, your job is never, ever easy to deal with. And if you have nothing really, to begin with, if your life has always been a struggle, hunger simply the daily reality you've always known and even the meanest of things we take for granted; clean water, eletricity or the hope that maybe there's a chance for your children to somehow work towards a better life; is all but a pipe dream..... Well, losing everything when you had nothing to begin with, doesn't make the loss any less great or the task of rebuilding from the ashes, any easier..........

Yes, the need right here at home is great and growing ........ But something I've experienced in life (and I'm betting many on this board have seen this too) is that sometimes, the ones who have the least to spare, will often be the first to share what they have ..... Because for them, they see someone in greater need ...... And they know how much it means to have the offer of help when they've most needed it .........
 

BigBadBossyDog

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The US will pump billions into Haiti.
The US will send thousands of soldiers and aid workers into Haiti
This will continue for years so much so, that Haiti will be considered a disaster quagmire in a few years much like Iraq or Afghanistan.
Obama will use Haiti to distract the American people unsuccessfully.
Americans will give less to Haiti relief efforts because they simply have no money.
Haiti will be just as bad off five years from now.

Indeed. And you forgot one point. After the USA has saved lives and rebuilt Haiti, he will still be apologizing for how awful we are. And we will still be hated. Why? Because we're the best and the best is always hated.

I'm sick and tired of it.
 

Lost Patriot

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That obama will likely use this horrific and devastating quake as a distraction, is both expected and par for the course with regards to how the political machine works.

However that doesn't mitigate the level of suffering for the survivors. Nor does it help them begin to pick up the pieces of their lives.

The people of Haiti have long suffered at the hands of greedy, self serving and worhtless leaders; graft and corruption is merely the status quo (won't point to parallels within our nation ;) ) but that doesn't make the Haitian people any less deserving of aide, prayers, compassion and human dignity.

Anyone on this board who has survived any sort of disaster knows how it is, to lose everything. To struggle with just being able to focus of 'what do I do first?' .......... Now imagine that the person who is trying to grasp their new reality, can't even expect to hope for their government to come to their aide?

Losing your home, your worldly goods, your family, your job is never, ever easy to deal with. And if you have nothing really, to begin with, if your life has always been a struggle, hunger simply the daily reality you've always known and even the meanest of things we take for granted; clean water, eletricity or the hope that maybe there's a chance for your children to somehow work towards a better life; is all but a pipe dream..... Well, losing everything when you had nothing to begin with, doesn't make the loss any less great or the task of rebuilding from the ashes, any easier..........

Yes, the need right here at home is great and growing ........ But something I've experienced in life (and I'm betting many on this board have seen this too) is that sometimes, the ones who have the least to spare, will often be the first to share what they have ..... Because for them, they see someone in greater need ...... And they know how much it means to have the offer of help when they've most needed it .........

Very well said, and true to the point. :applaud:
 

Lost Patriot

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So...was HAARP powered up at the time this earthquake took place? Just asking.

I checked yesterday just after the report came out, here's the chart for the last day and a half:
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Although this one shows significant activity yesterday morning:
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You can keep an eye on these charts here:
http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/data.html
 

Hokey

Veteran Member
Well, i'm certain that US officials don't know, Haitian officials don't know, and heck, nobody knows the death count yet!

It was a remark by the Hatian pm for pete sake so take any estimates at this time into context. The capital region supposedly has a third of the population (3 million) of the country that has been affected here. With the devastation shown, you don't think 1 in 10 (10%) would have been inside a fallen building? Think about that and what numbers that represents! And keep in mind it was just the end of the work day also so! 100,000 doesn't sound so implausible and that's downright scary.
 

JackieD

Senior Member
Back in the late 90's my son served with the Marines, he was stationed in Haiti with the peace keeping force. I will never forget how he described the poverty of Haiti.

He told stories of installing a well or building a small building and they would go back the next day only to find the project disassembled and gone. During the night people would come in and take any lumber, nails, metal, anything they could find.

My heart aches for the suffering, but how does one help or accomplish anything in a society like that?
 

brokenwings

Veteran Member
Sadly our tax dollars will go to help rebuild their Government and into the pockets of their leaders. The money never goes to those who need it. I hate to see this happen to these poor people and nothing we can do to help.
 

undead

Veteran Member
Every single taxpaying American is sending money to Haiti.

The Fed government has been piling billions into Haiti for a long time to continue to prop up that socialist country.

As sad as this earthquake is, we don't need U.S. Congresswomen claiming our citizens are responsbile for the failure that is Haiti. But maybe the Feds are, with all they've done to keep the likes of the left-wing Haitian leaders in power.


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Ton Ton Macoutes are probably still in charge, under a different name. You are right, "they" will get the money as they always do in such situations. If we just give them the money without putting foot on soil, this is guaranteed.

Many here will say we have no business putting foot on their soil to help.

Prayers for all the innocents lost and injured.

Haiti always gets the worst in hurricanes, and now this earthquake. I know it's a land of voodoo and government corruption, but I don't see how they deserve this kind of misery.

I recall when Haiti was on my travel bureau's list of vacation destinations in the 70s. Glad I never went there though.

What a world!
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
How many times have countries been helped with huge checks, food and supplies when a disaster hits them, only to find out later that the poor saw little of it. That tptb in these countries kept the money for themselves and most the supplies were left in storage somewhere.

I'm not saying we shouldn't help, but this is such a corrupt world the poor rarely see any aid that's given.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
That has to be a misquote or exaggeration. Total population is only over 9 million. Even at just 100,000 dead that is over 1% of population. Not to mention if the dead are over 100K then wounded have to be much higher. I guarantee that number goes down. He is exaggerating looking for aid. remember when the initial 9/11 numbers were in excess of 10K?

Hammer

It will be interesting (and heartbreaking) to see the final tally. Let's leave it at that.

The population there is overwhelmingly Catholic, and for many of them, that's about all they know in this world. We have much wealth and leisure to distract us from the call of our Creator that does not stand in their way of such a relationship with Him. This relatively unfettered connection to God combined with the authoritarian influence of the Catholic Church is very powerful.

It shivers me timbers to think that God may have just called many long-suffering but faithful Haitians home, and in maybe in the 100's of thousands. :shkr:

(Disclaimer: I am not arguing that Catholicism is better or worse than other denominations, merely that there is an authoritative streak to the Church that may be in play in Haiti. That's all.)
 

SIRR1

Inactive
Haiti is the arm pit of the Carribean and it is run by very bad people!

It's like the only country in the carribean that does not have tourist a economy and thats because of the poverty and crime, it's a hell hole and now it's even worse if thats even possible?

100,000 dead, I doubt it. But I do think your all right about the bigger the number of deaths the more cash that comes in.

Would'nt we all just S^$t here if Haiti says no Dollars, Euros only for emergency services and recovery monies... :lol:

SIRR1
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
Thousands feared dead in Haiti quake; many trapped

Wednesday Jan. 13, an earthquake survivor …

By JONATHAN M. KATZ, Associated Press Writer Jonathan M. Katz, Associated Press Writer – 1 min ago
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti – Haitians piled bodies along the devastated streets of their capital Wednesday after a powerful earthquake flattened the president's palace, the cathedral, hospitals, schools, the main prison and whole neighborhoods. Officials feared hundreds of thousands may have perished but there was no firm count.

Death was everywhere in Port-au-Prince. Bodies of tiny children were piled next to schools. Corpses of women lay on the street with stunned expressions frozen on their faces as flies began to gather. Bodies of men were covered with plastic tarps or cotton sheets.

President Rene Preval said he believes thousands were killed in Tuesday afternoon's magnitude-7.0 quake, and the scope of the destruction prompted other officials to give even higher estimates. Leading Sen. Youri Latortue told The Associated Press that 500,000 could be dead, although he acknowledged that nobody really knows.

"Parliament has collapsed. The tax office has collapsed. Schools have collapsed. Hospitals have collapsed," Preval told the Miami Herald. "There are a lot of schools that have a lot of dead people in them."

Even the main prison in the capital fell down, "and there are reports of escaped inmates," U.N. humanitarian spokeswoman Elisabeth Byrs said in Geneva.

The head of the U.N. peacekeeping mission was missing and the Roman Catholic archbishop of Port-au-Prince was dead.

"The cathedral, the archbishop's office, all the big churches, the seminaries have been reduced to rubble," Archbishop Bernardito Auza, the apostolic envoy to Haiti, told the Vatican news agency FIDES.

The parking lot of the Hotel Villa Creole was a triage center. People sat with injuries and growing infections by the side of rubble-strewn roads, hoping that doctors and aid would come.

The international Red Cross said a third of Haiti's 9 million people may need emergency aid and that it would take a day or two for a clear picture of the damage to emerge.

At first light Wednesday, a U.S. Coast Guard helicopter evacuated four critically injured U.S. Embassy staff to the hospital on the U.S. Naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where the military has been detaining suspected terrorists for the last seven years.

President Barack Obama promised an all-out rescue and humanitarian effort, adding that the U.S. commitment to its hemispheric neighbor will be unwavering.

"We have to be there for them in their hour of need," Obama said.

Other nations — from Iceland to Venezuela — said they would start sending in aid workers and rescue teams. Cuba said its existing field hospitals in Haiti had already treated hundreds of victims. The United Nations said Port-au-Prince's main airport was "fully operational" and open to relief flights.

The U.S. Navy aircraft carrier, USS Carl Vinson, is under way and expected to arrive off the coast of Haiti Thursday. Additional U.S. Navy ships are under way to Haiti, a statement from the U.S. Southern Command said.

Aftershocks continued to rattle the capital of 2 million people as women covered in dust clawed out of debris, wailing. Stunned people wandered the streets holding hands. Thousands gathered in public squares to sing hymns.

U.N. humanitarian chief John Holmes said it was possible that the death toll "will be in the thousands."

"Initial reports suggest a high number of casualties and, of course, widespread damage but I don't have any figure that I can give you with any reliability of what the number of casualties will be," Holmes said.

People pulled bodies from collapsed homes, covering them with sheets by the side of the road. Passers-by lifted the sheets to see if loved ones were underneath. Outside a crumbled building, the bodies of five children and three adults lay in a pile.

The prominent died along with the poor: the body of Archbishop Joseph Serge Miot, 63, was found in the ruins of his office, said the Rev. Pierre Le Beller of the Saint Jacques Missionary Center in Landivisiau, France. He told The Associated Press by telephone that fellow missionaries in Haiti had told him they found Miot's body.

Preval told the Herald that Haiti's Senate president was among those trapped alive inside the Parliament building. Much of the National Palace pancaked on itself.

The international Red Cross and other aid groups announced plans for major relief operations in the Western Hemisphere's poorest country.

Many will have to help their own staff as well as stricken Haitians. Taiwan said its embassy was destroyed and the ambassador hospitalized. Spain said its embassy was badly damaged.

Tens of thousands of people lost their homes as buildings that were flimsy and dangerous even under normal conditions collapsed. Nobody offered an estimate of the dead, but the numbers were clearly enormous.

"The hospitals cannot handle all these victims," said Dr. Louis-Gerard Gilles.

Medical experts say disasters such as an earthquake generally do not lead to new outbreaks of infectious diseases, but they do tend to worsen existing health problems.

Haiti's quake refugees likely will face an increased risk of dengue fever, malaria and measles — problems that plagued the impoverished country before, said Kimberley Shoaf, associate director of the UCLA Center for Public Health and Disasters.

Some of the biggest immediate health threats include respiratory disease from inhaling dust from collapsed buildings and diarrhea from drinking contaminated water.

With hospitals and clinics severely damaged, Haiti will also face risks of secondary infections. People seeking medical attention for broken bones and other injuries may not be able to get the help they need and may develop complications.

Dead bodies piled on the streets typically don't pose a public health risk. But for a country wracked by violence, seeing the dead will exact a psychological toll.

An American aid worker was trapped for about 10 hours under the rubble of her mission house before she was rescued by her husband, who told CBS' "Early Show" that he drove 100 miles (160 kilometers) to Port-au-Prince to find her. Frank Thorp said he dug for more than an hour to free his wife, Jillian, and a co-worker, from under about a foot of concrete.

An estimated 40,000-45,000 Americans live in Haiti, and the U.S. Embassy had no confirmed reports of deaths among its citizens. All but one American employed by the embassy have been accounted for, State Department officials said.

Even relatively wealthy neighborhoods were devastated.

An AP videographer saw a wrecked hospital where people screamed for help in Petionville, a hillside district that is home to many diplomats and wealthy Haitians as well as the poor.

At a destroyed four-story apartment building, a girl of about 16 stood atop a car, trying to see inside while several men pulled at a foot sticking from rubble. She said her family was inside.

"A school near here collapsed totally," Petionville resident Ken Michel said after surveying the damage. "We don't know if there were any children inside." He said many seemingly sturdy homes nearby were split apart.

The U.N.'s 9,000 peacekeepers in Haiti, many of whom are from Brazil, were distracted from aid efforts by their own tragedy: Many spent the night hunting for survivors in the ruins of their headquarters.

"It would appear that everyone who was in the building, including my friend Hedi Annabi, the United Nations' secretary-general's special envoy, and everyone with him and around him, are dead," French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said on RTL radio.

But U.N. peacekeeping chief Alain Le Roy would not confirm that Annabi was dead, saying he was among more than 100 people missing in its wrecked headquarters. He said only about 10 people had been pulled out, many of them badly injured. Fewer than five bodies had been removed, he said.

U.N. peacekeeping forces in Port-au-Prince are securing the airport, the port, main buildings and patrolling the streets, Le Roy said.

Brazil's army said at least 11 of its peacekeepers were killed, while Jordan's official news agency said three of its peacekeepers were killed. A state newspaper in China said eight Chinese peacekeepers were known dead and 10 were missing — though officials later said the information was not confirmed.

The quake struck at 4:53 p.m., and was centered 10 miles (15 kilometers) west of Port-au-Prince at a depth of only 5 miles (8 kilometers), the U.S. Geological Survey said. USGS geophysicist Kristin Marano called it the strongest earthquake since 1770 in what is now Haiti.

Video obtained by the AP showed a huge dust cloud rising over Port-au-Prince shortly after the quake as buildings collapsed.

Most Haitians are desperately poor, and after years of political instability the country has no real construction standards. In November 2008, following the collapse of a school in Petionville, the mayor of Port-au-Prince estimated about 60 percent of buildings were shoddily built and unsafe normally.

The quake was felt in the Dominican Republic, which shares the island of Hispaniola with Haiti, and in eastern Cuba, but no major damage was reported in either place.

With electricity out in many places and phone service erratic, it was nearly impossible for Haitian or foreign officials to get full details of the devastation.

"Everybody is just totally, totally freaked out and shaken," said Henry Bahn, a U.S. Department of Agriculture official in Port-au-Prince. "The sky is just gray with dust."

Edwidge Danticat, an award-winning Haitian-American author was unable to contact relatives in Haiti. She sat with family and friends at her home in Miami, looking for news on the Internet and watching TV news reports.

"You want to go there, but you just have to wait," she said. "Life is already so fragile in Haiti, and to have this on such a massive scale, it's unimaginable how the country will be able to recover from this."

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Associated Press contributors to this story: videographer Pierre Richard Luxama in Port-au-Prince; and writers David Koop and Olga R. Rodriguez in Mexico City; David McFadden and Danica Coto in San Juan, Puerto Rico; Matthew Lee and Julie Pace in Washington; Edith M. Lederer at the United Nations; Tamara Lush in Tampa, Fla.; and Jennifer Kay and Christine Armario in Miami.

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adgal

Veteran Member
Did anyone else see the press conference this morning? I was sure that the woman from the State Department began her remarks by sending the president's and the United States' condolences to all of the "African-Americans" devastated by earthquake. I'm sure that the Haitian-Americans weren't too pleased to hear that.
 

onetimer

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Pentagon orders nuclear aircraft carrier, three amphibious ships to set sail for Haiti - Reuters 12 minutes ago from BreakingNews Headquarters
 

Lost Patriot

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Pentagon orders nuclear aircraft carrier, three amphibious ships to set sail for Haiti - Reuters 12 minutes ago from BreakingNews Headquarters

Now why the hell do they need an aircraft carrier? Can anyone make some sense of this for me?

I know for a fact that the Coast Guard has their own ships with launch capabilities for helicopters. Do they need fighter jets all the sudden?
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Now why the hell do they need an aircraft carrier? Can anyone make some sense of this for me?

I know for a fact that the Coast Guard has their own ships with launch capabilities for helicopters. Do they need fighter jets all the sudden?


Actually, it isn't the jets, it is the thousands of sailors that can help on-site, and the massive amount of electrical power that can be generated by the carrier.

It has been effectively used before, so don't get upset, LP. This will help a lot until more permenent infrastructure patches can be made in the country.
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
Well here is the Drudge Report headline. At this point nobody can say for sure how many perished.
 

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Brutus

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Back in the late 90's my son served with the Marines, he was stationed in Haiti with the peace keeping force. I will never forget how he described the poverty of Haiti.

He told stories of installing a well or building a small building and they would go back the next day only to find the project disassembled and gone. During the night people would come in and take any lumber, nails, metal, anything they could find.

My heart aches for the suffering, but how does one help or accomplish anything in a society like that?

That's not so much a sign of poverty as it is a sign of criminality and stupidity.

People go there to build them wells and stuff and they come rip the job off in the middle of the night, as bad as places like Haiti need clean water.

:sht:
 

undead

Veteran Member
Actually, it isn't the jets, it is the thousands of sailors that can help on-site, and the massive amount of electrical power that can be generated by the carrier.

It has been effectively used before, so don't get upset, LP. This will help a lot until more permenent infrastructure patches can be made in the country.

Not to mention the desalination capabilities of aircraft carriers, for providing fresh water - all thanks to the wonders of that left-wing boogeyman -> nuclear power.
 

Lost Patriot

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Actually, it isn't the jets, it is the thousands of sailors that can help on-site, and the massive amount of electrical power that can be generated by the carrier.

It has been effectively used before, so don't get upset, LP. This will help a lot until more permenent infrastructure patches can be made in the country.

Well that only reinforces my worries.. At a time when we are very vulnerable we are sending even more troops and military assets out of the country?

Bare with me here.. I like to take all things into consideration...
 

Brutus

Inactive
Now why the hell do they need an aircraft carrier? Can anyone make some sense of this for me?

I know for a fact that the Coast Guard has their own ships with launch capabilities for helicopters. Do they need fighter jets all the sudden?
Oh, I dunno.......

Maybe it's for the manpower.....

the medical capabilities.....

the power generation capacity.....

the food-serving capability.....

the embarked Marines that can provide security.....

Of course the fighters, etc. could come in real handy if the Cubans try to get frisky and use the disaster as a cover to bring in THEIR military.

:smkd:
 

Brutus

Inactive
Well that only reinforces my worries.. At a time when we are very vulnerable we are sending even more troops and military assets out of the country?

Bare with me here.. I like to take all things into consideration...
Jeez Louise!

It ain't like Haiti is halfway around the world!

Carl Vinson is based in Jacksonville, FL. Hell, Haiti is closer to there than NYC is.

:stfu:
 
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