BRKG Detroit: Nigerian Lites 'Fireworks' During Plane Landing

kozanne

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The more Americans shout for more national security, the tighter the noose around American's necks get. TPTB love it. They couldn't be happier when incidents happen. The sheep are speaking.:sheep:

What they should be doing is realizing that no matter what TPTB say, we are still at war. We have to act like it. But count on the gimme crowd to have someone else fight their battles for them.

Remember UAL 93

"Let's Roll"
 

Thomas Paine

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I could not agree more!!! That is why it is so frustrating that the Bush administration did not seriously pursue Bin Laden and al Qaeda and get the job done. They tied the hands of our fine service men and women, got distracted by Iraq and dropped the ball big time on bringing to justice those who were behind 9-11. Tora Bora anyone??

I did have to take off my shoes at the airport and could no longer travel with my shampoo though. Woo hoo!! Bush and Cheney rock!

The God worship of Bush/Cheney is just as disgusting as the God worship of Obama. They are both cut from the same cloth and ruled by the same goals and behind the scenes corruption.

The true downfall of this country is going to be the blind faith and extreme hatred from both of our political party groupies. Obama haters are the same as Obama worshippers. They are so blinded by their emotions they can not see that all our political leaders play for the same team, and we aren't even waterboys on the sidelines.


I have been a critic of Bush just as I have been one of Clinton and Obama. I don't play favorites. The National Security I want is for the people and government to realize we need to be killing the terrs as often as we can, where ever we can, anyway we can for as long as it takes without regard to collateral damage , concerned only with the breaking of the enemy's will and reduction of his ability to attack us and his numbers to a level where he is combat ineffective.
 
Meanwhile, a statement on British Airway's website said Washington has revised its security arrangements for all travelers to the US and they would only be allowed one piece of hand luggage.
And this keeps terrorists from strapping bombs to their legs--how?
 

Lost Patriot

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On all flights to U.S., in the hour before landing all passengers must be seated and no pillows or blankets allowed, NBC News learns.
half a minute ago from BreakingNews Headquarters

hmmmmm, just coming into the US they say? And why only just an hour before landing.. Do all Terrorists wait until landings to detonate explosives? :shr:
 

kozanne

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Interesting snippet from the online WSJ:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126180624205805587.html

--excerpt--

Over the next few hours, each passenger went through a security screening and was questioned by law-enforcement officials in the international baggage claim area. All of the baggage in the plane's belly was screened, as well.

Mr. Rosenblith said he was asked if he had noticed a man videotaping on the plane before take off, and again as the incident played out. He said he believed authorities were looking for the man with the camera, but he couldn't determine if investigators suspected if this individual could be an accomplice. The Federal Aviation Administration and the Transportation Security Administration declined to talk about the specifics of the investigation.

Filming a martyrdom operation is a common procedure with jihadis....
 

kozanne

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From the Nigerian Online Newspapers:

http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=162771

Umaru Mutallab's Son Identified as Delta Airline Attempted Bomber
Father reported him to US Authorities six months ago
By Yusuph Olaniyonu, 12.26.2009

Goodluck orders investigation

The young man, who yesterday night attempted to ignite an explosive device aboard a Delta Airlines flight from Amsterdam to Detroit, Michigan in the United States has been identified as Abdul Farouk Umar Abdulmutallab, a 23-year-old son of Alhaji Umaru Mutallab, former First Bank chairman. Mutallab, a former minister and prominent banker recently retired from the Bank's board.

The older Mutallab, as at the time of filing this report, had just left his Katsina hometown for Abuja to speak with security agencies, family sources say. According to the family members, Mutallab has been uncomfortable with the boy's extreme religious views and had six months ago reported his activities to United States' Embassy, Abuja and Nigerian security agencies.

The older Mutallab was said to be devastated on hearing the news of Abdul Farouk's attempted bombing and arrest. A source close to him said he was surprised that after his reports to the US authorities, the young man was allowed to travel to the United States.

The family home of the Mutallabs in Central London, is currently being searched by men of the Metropolitan Police.

THISDAY checks reveal that the suspect, Abdulfarouk Umar Muttalab who is an engineering student at the University College, London had been noted for his extreme views on religion since his secondary school days at the British International School, Lome, Togo.

At the secondary school, he was known for preaching about Islam to his school mates and he was popularly called “Alfa”, a local coinage for Islamic scholar. After his secondary school, the suspect went to University College London to study engineering and later relocated to Egypt, and then Dubai. While in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, he declared to his family members that he did not want to have anything to do with any of them again.

His father, Muttalab is a regular visitor to the US where he visits for medical check-up and holidays. He is expected to issue a statement later today.

Muttalab is married to an Arab of Yemeni-descent. However, THISDAY could not confirm at the time of filing this report if the woman is the mother of the suspect now receiving treatment in Ann Harbor Hospital, Detroit, for burns suffered while he was trying to detonate the explosive device in the plane.

Meanwhile, Prof. Dora Akunyili, minister of information and communications, has issued the following statement: " Federal Government of Nigeria received with dismay the news of an attempted terrorist attack on a US airline. We state very clearly that as a nation, we abhor all forms of terrorism. The Vice President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, Dr Goodluck Ebele Jonathan has directed Nigerian security agencies to commence full investigation of the incident. While steps are being taken to verify the identity of the alleged suspect and his motives, our security agencies will cooperate fully with the American authorities in the on-going investigations. Nigerian government will be providing updates as more information becomes available."

Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab, had caused panic when he tried to detonate some explosive device strapped to his leg on Christmas Day while the US airliner was about to land at Detroit Metro Airport with 278 people on board.

Abdulmutallab was overpowered by passengers after the failure of the device to ignite properly. He is currently being questioned by the FBI, according to a senior US official. A passenger, identified as Jasper Schuringa, told CNN that with the aid of the cabin crew, he helped subdue and isolate Abdulmutallab.

Agency reports quoted the US federal law enforcement and airline security agencies as saying Abdulmutallab was taken into custody and is being treated for second- and third-degree burns on his thighs. Reports say the remains of the device the suspect detonated have been sent to an FBI explosives laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, for analysis.

Even with the initial official impression that the suspect was acting alone and did not have any formal connections to organised terrorist organisations, there are reports that he was indeed a hard-core, trained al-Qaeda operative. Abdulmutallab was quoted in a US federal security bulletin to have admitted having extremist ties and said the explosive device "was acquired in Yemen along with instructions as to when it should be used".

A Statement from Representative Peter King of New York, the senior Republican on the House of Representatives Homeland Security Committee, branded the explosive device as "fairly sophisticated". "(The device) appears to be different from what we've encountered before," Mr King told Fox News. "My understanding also is that while (the suspect) is not on a watch list, he definitely has terror connections.

"There is a terrorist nexus leading towards al-Qaeda involving this assailant. When it did go off he himself was seriously injured, my understanding is he has third-degree burns. This could have been catastrophic."

Abdulmutallab flew into Amsterdam’s Schiphol Airport on a KLM flight from Lagos and is not believed to be on any "no fly" list. This is despite his name appearing in a US database of people with suspect connections. An administration official also said he did not undergo secondary security screening in Amsterdam. It was from here he transferred to Northwest Airlines - which is undergoing a merger with Delta Airlines - for the nine-hour flight to Detroit in an Airbus A330-330.

US President Barack Obama, who was holidaying in Hawaii, acting on briefing on the incident, instructed in a subsequent discussion with security advisers "that all appropriate measures be taken to increase security for air travel".

Direct fallout of this incident is more rigorous security checks by airlines. A spokesperson for BAA said British passengers travelling to the US should expect their airline to carry out additional security checks prior to boarding.

"To support this important process, which will take time, we would advise passengers to leave more time to check in and limit the amount of baggage being taken on board the aircraft," she added.

"If in any doubt, please contact the relevant airline for further information."

A Department of Homeland Security statement on Friday told air passengers that they "may notice additional screening measures put into place to ensure the safety of the travelling [sic] public on domestic and international flights."
 

kozanne

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Something else a commenter on Hot Air reminded me of is that there is a large population of Muslims in Amsterdam. Remember that Theo Van Gogh was murdered there for his film "Submission"?????

This guy probably had helpers at the airport.
 

et2

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What they should be doing is realizing that no matter what TPTB say, we are still at war. We have to act like it. But count on the gimme crowd to have someone else fight their battles for them.
Remember UAL 93

"Let's Roll"



That's a pretty lame comment don't you think?
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Rich kid.

Engineering student.

Can we FINALLY, ONCE AND FOR ALL TIME put to bed the "stupid, towel-headed, cave dwelling camel jockey" MIS-conception????
 

Housecarl

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When the Marine barracks was blown up in Beirut by Iran via Hizballah, Reagan should have invaded Iran ... all we did is have a battleship shoot off some rounds in Lebanon & sad to say after that Amerika cut & run from Lebanon ... Gave Hizballah its cred in region

At that time, such an action would have been counter-productive. The Iraqi Baathist regime under Saddam was doing more than enough damage to Iran to keep them occupied. As for anything more than was done in Lebanon, at that time the amount of Syrian forces (and Soviet "advisors") still in country would have likely kicked off the next round of a full blown war in that part of the Middle East. That would have sucked forces out of NATO facing off against the Warsaw Pact. As it was, recall that the "alpha strikes" off of the U.S. aircraft carriers that were part of the support for the Marines on the ground, besides the battleship gunfire support, lost several aircraft to Syrian SAM systems supplied by the Soviets.

The pull-out kept U.S. available forces focused on the threat to CONUS at the time, the Soviet Union.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Rich kid.

Engineering student.

Can we FINALLY, ONCE AND FOR ALL TIME put to bed the "stupid, towel-headed, cave dwelling camel jockey" MIS-conception????

+1. About the only AQAM that "broadly" fit that description are those that are being used as cannon fodder on the ground in Pakistan/Afghanistan and even then you're looking at people who are the result of a lifetime of theological programming by Imans who hold to this brand of Islam.

They are cunning individuals focused upon their theological-ideological goals employing every ability they themselves possess to that goal whether they be a Madrasa graduate from a poor village in the Hundu-Kush or an engineering grad student or medical doctor.

We underestimate these people at our own risk.
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
Radio reports say his father turned him in to both US & Nigerian governments a couple of years ago. He was alarmed at his kids politics and said he went radical in High School.

first reports are the Explosive appears to be PETN.
 
The God worship of Bush/Cheney is just as disgusting as the God worship of Obama. They are both cut from the same cloth and ruled by the same goals and behind the scenes corruption.

The true downfall of this country is going to be the blind faith and extreme hatred from both of our political party groupies. Obama haters are the same as Obama worshippers. They are so blinded by their emotions they can not see that all our political leaders play for the same team, and we aren't even waterboys on the sidelines.

Yup.


intothegoodnight
 

Sleeping Cobra

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Muslim terrorist attempts to detonate explosive aboard Detroit bound plane

UPDATE 9:00 pm ET 25 December 2009: Abdul Farouk Abdul-Mutallab (a/k/a Umar Farouk Abdul Mudallad), a 23 year-old Nigerian national, who is reportedly an engineering student at University College in London, UK, is the primary suspect in the attempt to detonate an explosive aboard Delta-Northwest Flight 253 as it prepared to land at Detroit Metropolitan Airport just before noon today. The suspect’s air travel originated in Lagos, Nigeria when he boarded board KLM Flight 588 to Amsterdam, where he then made the connecting flight aboard Delta-Northwest Flight 253 to Detroit. According to officials in Amsterdam, the suspect’s stated purpose for traveling to Detroit was to attend an Islamic ceremony in Michigan. The suspect, who suffered second and third-degree burns on his upper extremities, is being treated at the University of Michigan Medical Center and will be transferred into federal custody.

According to a law enforcement source speaking to this investigator, the suspect is on several terrorism watch lists and is also reportedly on a federal no-fly list, although there is some confusion about the latter. “It might be the result of variations of the suspect’s name,” stated this source, although this source admitted it would be unusual due to the methods currently employed to guard against such omissions. This source also stated that there is “direct intelligence that links this suspect to al Qaeda in other countries beyond Nigeria, including persons of interest currently living in the UK and the United States.” The investigation in the U.S. is just beginning, and it is expected that “federal authorities will be interviewing at least three other individuals in the greater Detroit area,” he added. “The status of other aircraft and flights are also of significant concern,” stated this source.

Speaking to this investigator exclusively for Canada Free Press and the Northeast Intelligence Network, this law enforcement official stated that federal officials are “extremely interested” in how the suspect was able to circumvent security and bring the explosive device aboard the aircraft. Although security in Nigeria and at European airports is less restrictive [than inside the U.S], “this is most definitely something that should have attracted the attention of airport security, without any doubt whatsoever.” According to this source, federal authorities are looking at other possible scenarios on how the device made it aboard, and whether any of its components might have already been aboard the connecting flight.

Although the official response so far has not been to officially increase the air travel alert level, holiday travelers should be prepared for longer security inspections and extra screening. The timing of this attempt against an airliner destined for the U.S. could be significant, and this might not be an isolated incident. It was eight years ago this week that Richard Reid, also known as Abdul Raheem and Tariq Raja, was arrested for trying to detonate an explosive in his shoe during a flight from Paris to Miami aboard American Airlines Flight 63, a Boeing 767.

25 December 2009: An Islamic terrorist reportedly of Nigerian origin attempted to detonate a crude explosive device aboard Delta-Northwest Airlines Flight 253, flying from Amsterdam to Detroit as the plane was beginning to land at Detroit Metropolitan Airport. According to a law enforcement source close to the Northeast Intelligence Network spoke to this investigator approximately 45 minutes after the man was taken into custody, the man who attempted to blow up the plane over U.S. soil is on numerous “watch lists and a no-fly list” and is known to have al Qaeda connections and contacts in the U.S. and abroad.

According to our law enforcement source, the Airbus 330 was carrying 238 passengers and was in final preparations for landing at Detroit Metro at approximately 11:30 am local time. “As the passengers were being prepared for final approach, the suspect successfully lit a small, crudely fashioned powdered-filled device. It is believed that the device malfunctioned, although there was a relatively small popping noise heard throughout the cabin that amounted to what some described as a firecracker,” stated this source. “Almost immediately, passengers near the suspect physically subdued him, and were assisted by two members of the flight crew,” added this source.

Additional information about the suspect, the device, and how the explosive was able to be brought aboard will be forthcoming.

It should be noted that the Northeast Intelligence Network and Canada Free Press and have been at the forefront of reporting with regard to numerous recent disturbances aboard aircraft by Muslim travelers.
http://homelandsecurityus.com/?p=3352

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/18292
 

Grantbo

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Yeah ... just like we counted on him for 911, Which there were prior warnings of. That was on his watch remember? Funny how this thread has turned.

Maybe you've forgotten that it was 8 years of Clinton (liberal), who treated terrorism like a law enforcement issue? That Clinton (liberal) refused to get up from watching a football game when the CIA strike team had Bin Ladin in their sights. Yes, 9/11 could've been avoided but the liberal refused to act. Facts seems to always get in the way of hatred.

Bush cleaned up the mess and for 7 years there were NO terrorist attacks on US soil. YEA!!

How many attacks has there been and how many have died so far since bamma (liberal) took over? Hummm????

No matter how you try to spin it, the US is in greater danger of mainland terrorist attack now than before 1/21/09. You can thank your liberal buddies for this.
 

et2

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Maybe you've forgotten that it was 8 years of Clinton (liberal), who treated terrorism like a law enforcement issue? That Clinton (liberal) refused to get up from watching a football game when the CIA strike team had Bin Ladin in their sights. Yes, 9/11 could've been avoided but the liberal refused to act. Facts seems to always get in the way of hatred.

Bush cleaned up the mess and for 7 years there were NO terrorist attacks on US soil. YEA!!

How many attacks has there been and how many have died so far since bamma (liberal) took over? Hummm????

No matter how you try to spin it, the US is in greater danger of mainland terrorist attack now than before 1/21/09. You can thank your liberal buddiesfor this.

Your mind is slipping Grantbo. I'm not a liberal. And Bush knew about possible attacks prior to 911 and did nothing about it ...on his watch. It happened just around the same time frame as it is happening with Obama. Lots of information on it out there. As a matter of fact they were supposedly practicing for such a attack on 911. So have you already forgotten over 3,000 people that died while Bush was president from a terrorist attack. I mean if it's numbers you guy's want to compare it looks a little lopsided wouldn't you agree.

You love to play the Dems vs the Reps ( libs vs cons) game. you aren't helping anybody. Yep no matter "how" it's spun ... you nor I can do a dang thing about it.They have us were they want us. Against each other.
 
Cut from the same cloth? I disagree. Working for the same masters? Probably.

You can't look at sound-bytes of Bush saying, "You're either with us or against us" and compare them to Obama bowing to former leaders--and seriously say they were cut out of the same cloth. Same pattern maybe, but they're as different as mink and cotton.
 

MaureenO

Another Infidel
Your mind is slipping Grantbo. I'm not a liberal. And Bush knew about possible attacks prior to 911 and did nothing about it ...on his watch. It happened just around the same time frame as it is happening with Obama. Lots of information on it out there. As a matter of fact they were supposedly practicing for such a attack on 911. So have you already forgotten over 3,000 people that died while Bush was president from a terrorist attack. I mean if it's numbers you guy's want to compare it looks a little lopsided wouldn't you agree.

Pre-9/11 there were strong indicators and Intel of a pending attack against the US but there was NEVER any Intel that indicated where, when or how the attack(s) would be carried out.

We're in the same position today which is why I strongly advocate Situational Awareness techniques. Whether we like it or not, we are ALL responsible for doing our bit to foil future attacks.

As I said in an earlier thread, we are facing a year ahead unlike any we have ever faced unless the hand of God intervenes. This country has enough eyes, let's use them.

Maureen :dstrs:
 
Pre-9/11 there were strong indicators and Intel of a pending attack against the US but there was NEVER any Intel that indicated where, when or how the attack(s) would be carried out.

We're in the same position today which is why I strongly advocate Situational Awareness techniques. Whether we like it or not, we are ALL responsible for doing our bit to foil future attacks.

As I said in an earlier thread, we are facing a year ahead unlike any we have ever faced unless the hand of God intervenes. This country has enough eyes, let's use them.

Maureen :dstrs:
Exactly
 

et2

TB Fanatic
Pre-9/11 there were strong indicators and Intel of a pending attack against the US but there was NEVER any Intel that indicated where, when or how the attack(s) would be carried out.

We're in the same position today which is why I strongly advocate Situational Awareness techniques. Whether we like it or not, we are ALL responsible for doing our bit to foil future attacks.

As I said in an earlier thread, we are facing a year ahead unlike any we have ever faced unless the hand of God intervenes. This country has enough eyes, let's use them.

Maureen :dstrs:

Maureen I agree with your thoughts. I grow tired of the finger pointing when we are involved in this from the deepest branches of our government. There was evidence prior to 911 on Mohammed Atta that was ignored or pushed aside. He was supposedly a key player in the attack and was taking flying lessons. He was the supposed pilot of the first jet hitting the tower.
 

MaureenO

Another Infidel
Maureen I agree with your thoughts. I grow tired of the finger pointing when we are involved in this from the deepest branches of our government. There was evidence prior to 911 on Mohammed Atta that was ignored or pushed aside. He was supposedly a key player in the attack and was taking flying lessons. He was the supposed pilot of the first jet hitting the tower.

It's one thing to know you have a burglar in your neighbourhood--to even know his name--but we can't predict which house he's gonna break.

Knowing some info is the hard part because we will never get the "rest of the story" until it's too late to be of help.

What we DO know now is that WE all have a part to play in this new "normal" life of ours.

This attack yesterday was a win-win for jihad. All forms of security are gonna be tightened leading a lot of Americans to perceive our liberties are being stripped away--bit by bit. This turns us against each other also and deteriorates our sense of freedom.

If stricter security is not implemented and we are successfully hit again, there will be those shouting we didn't do enough to secure America's safety. And they'll be correct.

Don't think the jihadists aren't glad-handing each other over this, they are. In instituting such attacks, they pit us against each other in the hope America will self-destruct. They prey on the "conspirator" in all of us and, so far, they're winning.

It's up to us to make sure they lose, even if we have to be temporarily inconvenienced by stricter security measures.

Maureen :dstrs:
 

BlueNewton

Membership Revoked
I'd like to know why this incident wasn't reported the same day it happened, but one day later, instead. Unless I missed something here, it happened on Christams day and was reported yesterday. A one day delay for such a major story? Why?
 

windsail

"Montani Semper Liberi"
I'd like to know why this incident wasn't reported the same day it happened, but one day later, instead. Unless I missed something here, it happened on Christams day and was reported yesterday. A one day delay for such a major story? Why?

It was reported yesterday...Christmas Day....you're behind one day I'd say....

you need to check into the thread about ADHD or whatever...it's an ongoing

thread posted today......;).....windsail......
 

DustMusher

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I'd like to know why this incident wasn't reported the same day it happened, but one day later, instead. Unless I missed something here, it happened on Christams day and was reported yesterday. A one day delay for such a major story? Why?

Ummmmmmmmmmmm BlueNewton...................Yesterday WAS Christmas Day. ;)

DM
 

BlueNewton

Membership Revoked
Ahh haa haa haa haaa!!!!!!

I should add to the thread about major screw ups! Glad to add a little levity to the otherwise-serious thread. We start our celebration Christmas Eve. We treat Christmas Day sort of like Christmas Number 2. So, there you have it. :crz: I'm going to be laughing about that one for a while!
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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I'd like to know why this incident wasn't reported the same day it happened, but one day later, instead. Unless I missed something here, it happened on Christams day and was reported yesterday. A one day delay for such a major story? Why?

Pump the brakes on the egg nog dude!

After five or six, I'll switch over to beer or wine. :groucho:
 

kozanne

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I waited on this piece of news until it was vetted, and it appears to be genuine. I learned of it early this morning, but at that point it was not vetted. A commenter on mlive said he was on the flight and posted his story:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2415422/posts

Flight 253 passenger: Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab onto plane without passport...
mlive.com ^ | 12/26/09 | Sheena Harrison

Posted on Saturday, December 26, 2009 12:55:38 PM by American Dream 246

A Michigan man who was aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 253 says he witnessed Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab trying to board the plane in Amsterdam without a passport, and believes at least one other person from the flight was arrested on Friday at Detroit Metro Airport.



Kurt Haskell of Newport, Mich., who posted an earlier comment about his experience, talked exclusively with MLive.com and confirmed he was on the flight by sending a picture of his boarding pass. He and his wife, Lori, were returning from a safari in Uganda when they boarded the NWA flight on Friday.

Kurt HaskellLori and Kurt HaskellHaskell said he and his wife were sitting on the ground near their boarding gate in Amsterdam, which is when they saw Mutallab approach the gate with an unidentified man.



While Mutallab was poorly dressed, his friend was dressed in an expensive suit, Haskell said. He says the suited man asked ticket agents whether Mutallab could board without a passport. “The guy said, 'He's from Sudan and we do this all the time.'”



Mutallab is Nigerian. Haskell believes the man may have been trying to garner sympathy for Mutallab's lack of documents by portraying him as a Sudanese refugee.



The ticket agent referred Mutallab and his companion to her manager down the hall, and Haskell didn't see Mutallab again until after he tried to detonate an explosive on the plane.



Haskell said the flight was mostly unremarkable. That was until he heard a flight attendant say she smelled smoke, just after the pilot announced the plane would land in Detroit in 10 minutes. Haskell got out of his seat to view the brewing commotion.



“I stood up and walked a couple feet ahead to get a closer look, and that's when I saw the flames,” said Haskell, who sat about seven rows behind Mutallab. “It started to spread pretty quickly. It went up the wall, all the way to ceiling.”



Haskell, who described Mutallab as a diminutive man who looks like a teenager, said about 30 seconds passed between the first mention of smoke and when Mutallab was subdued by fellow passengers.



“He didn't fight back at all. This wasn't a big skirmish,” Haskell said. “A couple guys jumped on him and hauled him away.”



The ordeal has Haskell and his wife a little shaken. Flight attendants were screaming during the fire and the pilot sounded notably nervous when bringing the plane in for a landing, he said.



“Immediately, the pilot came on and said two words: emergency landing,” Haskell said. “And that was it. The plane sped up instead of slowing down. You could tell he floored it.”



As Mutallab was being led out of the plane in handcuffs, Haskell said he realized that was the same man he saw trying to board the plane in Amsterdam.



Passengers had to wait about 20 minutes before they were allowed to exit the plane. Haskell said he and other passengers waited about six hours to be interviewed by the FBI.



About an hour after landing, Haskell said bomb-sniffing dogs detected something in a fellow passenger's bag at Detroit Metro Airport. He says the FBI told passengers to move to another area of the airport following the incident. “They said, 'It's not a safe area. Read into that what you want.' I interpreted it to mean that there's a bomb in his carry-on.”



Though Haskell says he saw that man led away in handcuffs, he has yet to see anything discussed publicly about a second arrest – even though he believes it may somehow be connected to Mutallab's foiled terror attack. “I know what I saw.”



A call to the FBI on Saturday afternoon has not yet been returned.

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/commenter_says_he_was_aboard_n.html

Link to the original comment
 

kozanne

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Email I received from ABC's The Blotter:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/north...en/story?id=9426085&nwltr=blotter_featureMore

Investigators: Northwest Bomb Plot Planned by al Qaeda in Yemen
Officials Say Bomb Materials Sewn Into Suspect's Underwear by Top Terror Bomb Maker
By RICHARD ESPOSITO and BRIAN ROSS
Dec. 26, 2009 —


The plot to blow up an American passenger jet over Detroit was organized and launched by al Qaeda leaders in Yemen who apparently sewed bomb materials into the suspect's underwear before sending him on his mission, federal authorities tell ABC News.

Investigators say the suspect had more than 80 grams of PETN, a compound related to nitro-glycerin used by the military. The so-called shoe bomber, Richard Reid, had only about 50 grams kin his failed attempt in 2001 to blow up a U.S.-bound jet. Yesterday's bomb failed because the detonator may have been too small or was not in "proper contact" with the explosive material, investigators told ABC News.

Investigators say the suspect, Abdul Farouk Umar Abdulmutallab, a 23-year-old Nigerian student whose birthday was last Tuesday, has provided detailed information about his recruitment and training for what was supposed to be a Christmas Day suicide attack.


According to the authorities, Abdulmutallab says he made contact via the internet with a radical imam in Yemen who then connected him with al Qaeda leaders in a village north of the country's capital, Sanaa.

Authorities say they do not yet know if the imam was the same one who was in contact with Maj. Nidal Hasan prior to his alleged attack on soldiers at Fort Hood last month. American-born Anwar Awlaki has lived in Yemen since 2002 and is considered a major recruiter for al Qaeda by U.S. authorities. He survived a U.S.-backed air strike earlier this week.

The suspect in the Northwest Airlines attack told FBI agents he lived with the al Qaeda leader in Yemen for about a month and was not allowed to leave as he was trained in what to do and how to do it, authorities said.

At some point, according to the account, Abdulmutallab said he was joined by a Saudi citizen whom he described as an al Qaeda bomb maker.


Bomb Sewn Into Underwear
The device intended to blow up the Northwest flight was made at the location in Yemen, according to Abdulmutallab, and consisted of a six-inch packet of powder and a syringe with a liquid. Both were sewn into the student's underwear so they would be near his testicles and unlikely to be detected, he told agents.

Authorities say the combination of the liquid in the syringe with the powder created the flash bomb, which was extinguished by passengers and air crew.

Investigators are conducting tests to determine the exact nature of the powder and chemicals used.

Abdulmutallab suffered second-degree burns in his genital area, investigators told ABC News.

The al Qaeda affiliate in Yemen has increasingly taken on a lead role in coordinating major terror attacks as the U.S. has disrupted al Qaeda training camps in Pakistan, according to American authorities.

Authorities say the suspected bomber was traveling on a visa issued by the State Department on June 16, 2008 and valid until June 12, 2010. Officials tell ABC News he was on a U.S. "terror watch list" but not on the "no fly" list, which would have prevented him from boarding the flight.

He had previously traveled to the U.S. on an 11-day trip to Houston in Aug. 2008.

Published reports in Nigeria said Abdulmutallab's father had contacted the U.S. embassy six months ago about concerns his son had become radicalized and could pose a threat to the U.S. One report said the father could not understand why his son was allowed to board a flight to the U.S. given his warning.
 

et2

TB Fanatic
It's one thing to know you have a burglar in your neighbourhood--to even know his name--but we can't predict which house he's gonna break.

Knowing some info is the hard part because we will never get the "rest of the story" until it's too late to be of help.

What we DO know now is that WE all have a part to play in this new "normal" life of ours.

This attack yesterday was a win-win for jihad. All forms of security are gonna be tightened leading a lot of Americans to perceive our liberties are being stripped away--bit by bit. This turns us against each other also and deteriorates our sense of freedom.

If stricter security is not implemented and we are successfully hit again, there will be those shouting we didn't do enough to secure America's safety. And they'll be correct.

Don't think the jihadists aren't glad-handing each other over this, they are. In instituting such attacks, they pit us against each other in the hope America will self-destruct. They prey on the "conspirator" in all of us and, so far, they're winning.

It's up to us to make sure they lose, even if we have to be temporarily inconvenienced by stricter security measures.

Maureen :dstrs:


Maureen, I'm not looking to get into a argument with you.

If that is your point, I believe there are many others who have been commenting on this thread that don't understand that, or disagree with you. They want to turn it into a political pissing match. Based on what you said .... nobody should be to blame for terrorist attacks,that we can't stop them. Many are blaming Obama for something he probably had no control over. Even commented if it was Bush it would be a different story. This is what I'm discussing.

I'm not sticking up for the left or the right. I really hoped the thread would stay on track. The BS get's to you after awhile.
 

windsail

"Montani Semper Liberi"
Com on ya'll......the news is reporting that a judge visited the guy in the

to charge him.....who wants to bet that they also "mirandized" the

"terrorist" first?......it's the new "Obama" way you know.....regardless of

his nationality.........I say "BULLSHIT" to this treatment of a terrorist in

our midst.....I fear many on "our side" will die before this is stopped and

changed....if it is changed before our fall.....windsail.....
 

lectrickitty

Great Great Grandma!
Ok, scraping the info together so far, what I've read tells me that a known suspect who is on the do not fly list, not only boarded a plane, but boarded with a powdery substance or some type of fireworks (that contain gunpowder?)...

Citizens who simply fly for work or to visit family are put thru the mill with everything including strip searches (the nun!)... but this perp can board carrying explosives???

Something is VERY wrong...
 

skip1

Membership Revoked
At that time, such an action would have been counter-productive. The Iraqi Baathist regime under Saddam was doing more than enough damage to Iran to keep them occupied. As for anything more than was done in Lebanon, at that time the amount of Syrian forces (and Soviet "advisors") still in country would have likely kicked off the next round of a full blown war in that part of the Middle East. That would have sucked forces out of NATO facing off against the Warsaw Pact. As it was, recall that the "alpha strikes" off of the U.S. aircraft carriers that were part of the support for the Marines on the ground, besides the battleship gunfire support, lost several aircraft to Syrian SAM systems supplied by the Soviets.

The pull-out kept U.S. available forces focused on the threat to CONUS at the time, the Soviet Union.

Well Iran must not of have been too busy to kill all those U.S. Marines in Beirut. What Iran did via Hizbullah was an act of war … What Reagan did in spite of your analysis of the Cold War was in the eyes of the Muslims (Russians too)was weak ... Reagan should have declared war on Iran & got rid of the Mullahs. … Now look the mess that we are in.
 

nharrold

Inactive
I have been a critic of Bush just as I have been one of Clinton and Obama. I don't play favorites. The National Security I want is for the people and government to realize we need to be killing the terrs as often as we can, where ever we can, anyway we can for as long as it takes without regard to collateral damage , concerned only with the breaking of the enemy's will and reduction of his ability to attack us and his numbers to a level where he is combat ineffective.

Exactly right.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
Interesting snippet from the online WSJ:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126180624205805587.html

--excerpt--
Mr. Rosenblith said he was asked if he had noticed a man videotaping on the plane before take off, and again as the incident played out. He said he believed authorities were looking for the man with the camera, but he couldn't determine if investigators suspected if this individual could be an accomplice. The Federal Aviation Administration and the Transportation Security Administration declined to talk about the specifics of the investigation.

Filming a martyrdom operation is a common procedure with jihadis....


Except if they were expecting the plane to blow up - no one would see it. So why film it on a plane they expected to go down?

Had they intended this plane to crash, it would have crashed. This was something else. The guy sitting there so calmly allowing himself to be tackled, immediately confessing and saying where he came from, and now we find out someone may have been filming it.

If in fact they taped it, this was level 2 of their dry runs. (First level were the guys who board in packs and don't follow the rules.) They'll be studying what happened with someone lighting something on fire they way they studied what happens with their packs. btw the 'pack' thing is to figure out how many of them call attention enough to get them thrown off the plane, and what number of them doing weird stuff is ignored, imho. So if 4 or more of them consistently get them thrown off but 3 or less consistently don't - there you go. Or 4 acting weird get thrown off, but 4 or more arabic looking guys who behave themselves and don't act like they are working together and are seated all around the plane don't. Looks like research on that level is now completed and they've gone to their next level of research.

This fire dry run is to see how fast someone who lights something is stopped - they use the footage to figure out how many seconds they have to succesfully detonate before being tackled or thwarted and what reaction by other passengers will be (why having a pack is so important to them in a non-hijack type situation as well - the more on board the more they can control the other passengers, as long as it's a number they can get away with without getting thrown off first). How far away was the guy who stopped him (they now know because we all know, he was a few rows back and jumped over 4 people). So they know now if they sit one row behind, they can block and tackle that sort of guy. This is the type of intel this dry run would have been gathering. They sacrificed the fire starter, he was disposable to them - it's the camera holding one who was the key and it sounds like he got away.

Distraction attack. Watch for a ground attack soon if it is coming.

Could be this is a psych thing to get everyone focused back on airplanes when the attack is coming from somewhere else. That was my first thought too.

But now that I've read what Kozanne posted about them filming it on board while it happened, I'm thinking they are perfecting something they are about to do with a plane that will outdo 911. They know they'll never get control of a cockpit again, so they are divising a new plan with planes.

From what we learned so far, it will involve blowing it up, probably over a heavily populated area or a nuke plant or dam or military installation. They should be putting no fly zones up all around the country now, not making gradmas take off their shoes before they board and sit in their seats before they land.

HD
 
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