USA "Note From a Cop"

kozanne

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http://patdollard.com/2009/07/note-from-a-cop/

Note From a Cop

The fear on the street is palpable. Ever since the election of Barack Obama as President of these United States in November 2008, coupled with the election of a democrat party majority in both the U.S. House and Senate, concern for the United States and personal safety has ignited like a fire in dry grass.

Sales of guns – black guns, rifles, shotguns and handguns (particularly 9mm) everywhere, have gone through the roof. AR15s have literally flown off of dealer shelves, and only now in the spring of 2009, have I seen the display samples of ARs begin to reappear on the wall of my favorite shooting emporium after the initial post election rush.

Manufacturers of ARs are still working to catch up and some of the major suppliers are as much as 150,000 guns behind. Not only that, ammo is in the shortest supply I have ever seen in the 43 years of my shooting life. Have you recently tried to get 5.56mm, 9mm or even 380 ammo?

Supplies of 5.56mm and 9mm ammo are in short supply due to the black gun buying craze; .380ACP because of the rise in people getting concealed carry permits and the resurgence of interest in convenient 380 handguns like the fine Ruger LCP. In fact, in doing a review of the Ruger LCP, my gun store only had a small supply of ONE .380 round on hand, the Winchesters 95-grain SXT, which they had just gotten in. Unfortunately, I had to do a 30-round review of that pistol. There was none other to be found.

What is odd about this new fear is that it is not coming from the average citizen gun owner out there, but it is coming from what to me is an almost shocking source: street cops.

Street cops and SWAT cops that I know from various agencies – rural, suburban and metro – in my area are scared. Cops that before November 2008 never gave much thought (that I knew of anyway) to politics or more importantly to gun rights. For the most part, these are the guys that didn’t generally have any interest in shooting or gun ownership beyond keeping track of where their duty gun is, and a few of them didn’t even do that so well.

The guys I am talking about now are some of the same guys who used to not even carry off duty on a regular basis- but not anymore. They don’t scare easily, defenders of the Constitution of this State and the United States (as our oath of office reads), have been buying ARs, survival gear, and all the ammo they can lay their hands on. All of them (or I should say “us”) have been discussing and have been acquiring guns to provide a layered perimeter defense.

What are we suddenly so afraid of? Well in our discussions it seems to boil down to four areas.

First, fear of federal government intrusion into our lives. Every time I look at or listen to the news, there is something new and intrusive coming out of the Obama administration and this Congress. New tax schemes, government-run Canadian-style healthcare, a volunteer citizen defense force (whatever that is, what happened to the National Guard?) equipped with funding similar to our military, forced voluntary “service” after retirement, a lack of a southern border with hordes of illegal and criminal aliens pouring over our border, the swine flu scare as well as government forced closing of thousands of privately held Chrysler and GM dealerships, which will be the final nail in the coffin for these companies and the list goes on and on.

But these items in the news are just the tip of the iceberg. We can’t see the full impact of these actions yet, but we don’t know what was added into the thousand of pages of stimulus package bills in the dead of night yet. I predict however that when the plans contained in the stimulus packages go into effect, a lot of us are going to be surprised if not shocked by what has suddenly and sweepingly changed.

What also scares us is the second, well-founded fear that there is an assault weapons ban looming, one that would make the Clinton Ban appear like a look of disdain in comparison. I remember well the 1990s and the Clinton years: the rise of militia groups, the “black helicopter” rumors and paranoia, all of which was motivated by the Brady Law and the Assault Weapon’s ban. What if a new ban comes requiring registration or confiscation and turn-in of banned weapons as what happened in Australia?

…I foresee much civil disobedience coming down the road. Americans are citizens, and not subjects like the British, Canadians or Australians. They just don’t always obey the law blindly and not one officer or citizen that I spoke to said anything like “I hope I get to keep this gun for awhile before they are banned; They are fun to shoot, so I would hate to give it up.” It isn’t going to happen, so the cop on the street and the soldier on the base needs to think now what he will do if the orders come down. I think you all get what I am saying here.

Which leads me to the third fear, that there is a revolution coming, yes, a revolution on the scale of the original American Revolution. You can hear this topic discussed on many of the talk radio shows by even the big name hosts. The possibility of an armed revolution against the U.S. government being discussed, albeit very gingerly and fleetingly and as something to be avoided, which it is. I never heard this mentioned in the 90s. One of my quietest, low profile officer friends brought it up the other day.

He said that at some point in the near future, he felt there is going to be an armed revolt if things keep going the way they are. Something has got to give. I was shocked. Yes, I had heard this from some of my more radical cop friends in the past, but to hear it from a guy like this was unprecedented. Now, these guys are not saying this will happen to foment revolution, preach sedition or to even participate. They just want to be ready if it happens, to at least defend their families, because number four on the fear list is general societal chaos.

Cops fear for their parents, wives, children or grandchildren more now than ever before. Most cops are encouraging their spouses and loved ones to get concealed carry permits. Not only that, but some of these same cops are buying gun mounts for their personal cars so they can carry an AR in the family ride at the ready all the time. They are also strapping on heavier forms of off-duty hardware. I have other friends that are issued ARs or subguns for tactical team use, who always have their gear with them and are planning on just commandeering these weapons for personal use in defending hearth and home.

Final Notes

This is pretty heady and maybe even dangerous stuff. Know fully that I am not advocating anything here. I am reflecting to you what I see and hear going on around me, and maybe saying things that haven’t been said in the
open, until now. It is something to think about.

Written By; Scott Wagner is a Police Academy Commander and Professor at Columbus State Community College in Columbus Ohio, and Commander of the 727 Counter Terror Training Unit. A 29 year law enforcement veteran, and current Deputy Sheriff, he is the Precision Marksman for the Union County Sheriff’s Office SRT Team.
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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As John Maclane said in 'Die Hard' as he tossed the body from 7 stories up onto the cop car to get his attention...

"Welcome to the party Pal!"
 

mt4design

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I believe him. He's saying things I have come to expect to hear... and I've come to expect will happen.

Mike
 

oyster_777

Veteran Member
Surreal. I read recently what looks to be true is false and what looks to be false is true. If i believe this reasoning i can believe that the talk of a revolution may be a baited hook... its aslo a gut feel. Something doesnt smell right.


Why arent they trying to quash this revolution news if they are truly controlling everything? Doesnt make sense.
 

lectrickitty

Great Great Grandma!
The want to depopulate and bring in martial law so they are encouraging people top revolt.
I've been reading that.

TPTB are disappointed that the Tea Parties are planning to revamp the gov by voting out the incumbents and getting new blood on the hill. They can't set by and see that plan succeed so they have sent in infiltrators to try to fire up people and get them to do something illegal which would then give them the excuse they want to move in with force and take control.

Some dummies will fall for it, but with any luck cool heads will rule the days and keep the Tea Parties on the right track. CNN claims they are nothing but rasism against a black POTUS, others claim they are a plan to build an armed revolution, others make other claims. No matter who makes what claim, TPTB can't do anything about the Tea Parties unless the public can be goaded into giving them a reason to stop them. I expect they will put ACORN on the job in the near future.
 

rodeorector

Global Moderator
So I'm eating lunch at Paulines today, a local favorate buffet with soul food. There are deputies, and local cops from several jurisdictions amongst the satisfied customers. In walks four laws in BDU's who all nodded and one said, "Morning, Father." I said "Good gawd man, you're dressed to go to war." They got a chuckle (I didn't). When I walked out there are two souped up F-250's, all decked out with lights and equipment (and amazing signage). They were each pulling a trailor with huge covered 4-wheelers, with "Smith County Environmental Protection Squad" all over them. My jaw dropped open and I became seething mad.

We're in serious trouble, folks.
 

Jarhead

Inactive
What the heck is an "Environmental Protection Squad"?????

And why do they need BDU's, 4 wheelers and F-250's ??? :ld:

Jarhead
:usm:
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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What the heck is an "Environmental Protection Squad"?????

And why do they need BDU's, 4 wheelers and F-250's ??? :ld:

Jarhead
:usm:

Well riding around in the woods wearing a suit would be kind of silly.

Were they armed?
 

rodeorector

Global Moderator
If you read the recent Environmental bill that the House just passed, you can see the advent of the Federal government regulating everything from crops to water. It's not just about crap and tax. The EPA folks will become armed, and have complete search and seizure powers. I'm assuming the local jurisdictions are in on this in some way.
 

Wise Owl

Deceased
RR, those are just some of those "new jobs" he, (Zero) said he would create.


We have had a few enlightening moments up here in Maine also. Like neighboring sherriff depts driving thru to police their county enmass on snowmachines. And leaving their trailer and truck parked in our county. All with signage saying it was donated by our wonderful Dept of Homeland Defense........and underneath that,
To protect and serve.....

yeah. They were out trying to ticket people coming across from NH without rec vehicle tags from Maine.....

Some protection. Just trying to scare up more money is all......

They were actually doing road checks on the snowmobile trails!
 

tiger13

Veteran Member
I've been reading that.

TPTB are disappointed that the Tea Parties are planning to revamp the gov by voting out the incumbents and getting new blood on the hill. They can't set by and see that plan succeed so they have sent in infiltrators to try to fire up people and get them to do something illegal which would then give them the excuse they want to move in with force and take control.

Some dummies will fall for it, but with any luck cool heads will rule the days and keep the Tea Parties on the right track. CNN claims they are nothing but rasism against a black POTUS, others claim they are a plan to build an armed revolution, others make other claims. No matter who makes what claim, TPTB can't do anything about the Tea Parties unless the public can be goaded into giving them a reason to stop them. I expect they will put ACORN on the job in the near future.

To fire something up that they would have no chance to extinguish would not be the brightest move.
If for but one moment we could get the average "don't get it's" to look around and see that it would be hard to control and beat down a crowd of several thousand people with but a few hundred LEO's
Same would go with the military, as good as they are, there is still a bunch thank god, that will not go against the people of this country, and rightly so they should not. The ones that would fire on their fellow citizens then would deserve the hell they receive. I do not care if the powers that be declared martial law, then we can finally get on with what has to be done, may as well be sooner than to make our children do it later on, when they are even at a bigger disadvantage.
 

Lost Patriot

Inactive
To fire something up that they would have no chance to extinguish would not be the brightest move.
If for but one moment we could get the average "don't get it's" to look around and see that it would be hard to control and beat down a crowd of several thousand people with but a few hundred LEO's
Same would go with the military, as good as they are, there is still a bunch thank god, that will not go against the people of this country, and rightly so they should not. The ones that would fire on their fellow citizens then would deserve the hell they receive. I do not care if the powers that be declared martial law, then we can finally get on with what has to be done, may as well be sooner than to make our children do it later on, when they are even at a bigger disadvantage.
Well said Rusty.. Glad to have you as my neighbor here in NC. Where are you located if you don't mind me asking? I am on the very NE Corner of the state near the state line. The Outer Banks area.

Have you been to our Citizen's Militia website yet?
http://NCmilitia.org
Come and talk with us, your input is more than welcomed there.

My handle is the same there as it is here. Hope you will join us.
 

tiger13

Veteran Member
Well said Rusty.. Glad to have you as my neighbor here in NC. Where are you located if you don't mind me asking? I am on the very NE Corner of the state near the state line. The Outer Banks area.

Have you been to our Citizen's Militia website yet?
http://NCmilitia.org
Come and talk with us, your input is more than welcomed there.

My handle is the same there as it is here. Hope you will join us.

I am in Vance county. north of Raleigh
 

FireStarted

Campfire Girl
This article is spot-on. Get ready.....

You betcha! I work with these guys everyday. NONE of them want to take your guns. Most of them feel like the Officer who wrote this "note". Everyday I field more and more calls from the general populace in reference to obtaining a CCL. My DH "LEO" was never a "gun enthusiast" but has himself made a couple of "purchases".

I know also that there are a quite few out there that feel that if TEOWAWKI comes along it will be them standing with the patriots of this country who rightfully fight for the U.S. constitution. The ones you really have to fear are these newly appointed types "Enviro-MENTAL" blah blahs etc. who have just been given more power than their egos can handle.
 

Lone Wolf

Lives on TB
Well dang it!!

Now here it is:

There is 360 degrees on the compass.

You hear a sound coming to you from 180 degrees.

But, because of the hills, trees, brush, and small canyons and arroyos, you can't be sure where the sound is really coming from.

So....you must wait until you have more information to go on.

Trouble is, your enemy knows this and will use it to there advantage,

Solution: Information you must trust MUST come from a vetted source or you CAN not trust it.

Tap it with a stick, move it with a stick, look it all over.

Sounds good, but is it?

lw
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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Well dang it!!

Now here it is:

There is 360 degrees on the compass.

You hear a sound coming to you from 180 degrees.

But, because of the hills, trees, brush, and small canyons and arroyos, you can't be sure where the sound is really coming from.

So....you must wait until you have more information to go on.

Trouble is, your enemy knows this and will use it to there advantage,

Solution: Information you must trust MUST come from a vetted source or you CAN not trust it.

Tap it with a stick, move it with a stick, look it all over.

Sounds good, but is it?

lw

Yeah, just remember the guy in 'The Blob' tapped it and moved it with a stick and the damn thing glorped up the stick and ate his hand....
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
People need to not concern themselves with the lack of resolve and proper direction of the American people. The people know the difference between right and wrong. not everyone borrowed their way into oblivion, and even those that did realize that it was wrong, feel sorry, and want to change, its just that the past administrations made it too difficult to change. Now, the people have little choice but to make the changes on their own.

People are stocking up on guns and ammo for several reasons and a few that the cop has yet to realize.

1) Fear of bank holiday, inflation or dollar crash - people will need to protect themselves, their loved ones, and their belongings against straglers, possible gangs, coy dog packs, etc. The level of severity is determined by many things. Best be ready for the worse.

2) People realize bankers are gambling with their life savings and Washington refuses to stop or punish these activities. Answer? Pull whats left of your money from the banks and stock markets. When this happens people typically buy gold, silver and a safe. Yet another reason to own firearms, enable better sleep at night while guarding your life savings.

3) Fear of ban. They know Washington will eventually figure out whats going on and will attempt a gun ban. Stocking up on ammo and black market guns will be a work around.

4) Revolution. People realize that once Washington realizes they can't get the guns away from the Americans they may try terror tactics against the people. Starvation, bio attacks, nuke, etc. These things are on the minds of the people. They aren't stupid and realize the criminals in power have murdered before to get what they want and will do it again once cornered.

5) Sick and tired. Eventually, after everyone will be stocked up enough on food, water, consumables, second jobs, etc. That is when realize they are fed up with living this cat and mouse game with the government. They will look for any excuse to oust the criminals and to do it swiftly. If they need to use force they will be ready.

Police, military, and 80% of the nation are together on this. Best not get in their way when its time.

JMO.
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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Police, military, and 80% of the nation are together on this. Best not get in their way when its time.

JMO.


I disagree with your percentages. A large percentage of the population either works for the gov in some fashion or takes money from it.
You have to exclude those folks from the rev.o.lu.shun.
 

Karnie

Inactive
Well Gee Sat, some dummy has to be the first to "poke" at it with a stick.

heh.

lw

I don't know if it's usually some dummy - but I do know the first one to poke it with a stick is always a guy! We women take a bit more cautious approach.
 

skip8

Inactive
Yeah, just remember the guy in 'The Blob' tapped it and moved it with a stick and the damn thing glorped up the stick and ate his hand....

'glorped', LOL...now that's a fun verb!

Here are a couple of examples of usage for a word I did not know existed.

GLORPING
TUBE

A 2” ball valve and a
flexible stainless steel
hose attached with
sanitary fittings allow
the converted mash to
be “glorped” directly
into the lauter tun.

For the same reason I can't open yogurt without getting glorped.

:lkick: :lkick: :lkick:

[Sorry for the drift.]
 

MaureenO

Another Infidel
You betcha! I work with these guys everyday. NONE of them want to take your guns. Most of them feel like the Officer who wrote this "note". Everyday I field more and more calls from the general populace in reference to obtaining a CCL. My DH "LEO" was never a "gun enthusiast" but has himself made a couple of "purchases".

I know also that there are a quite few out there that feel that if TEOWAWKI comes along it will be them standing with the patriots of this country who rightfully fight for the U.S. constitution. The ones you really have to fear are these newly appointed types "Enviro-MENTAL" blah blahs etc. who have just been given more power than their egos can handle.

You're correct. I am not aware of any officers being frightened of Joe or Jane Six Pack, but we're much more cautious about circs we might not have been too concerned with before.

In my view (and others I worked or work with) it is Joe and Jane Six Pack who are the "friendlies" we can count on when...

There has also been a stoppage of take-home units, too. The reason given to the press is fuel and maintainance costs. On patrol, soft targets are getting looked at much more closely, too.

Maureen :dstrs:
 

Thomas Paine

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If you read the recent Environmental bill that the House just passed, you can see the advent of the Federal government regulating everything from crops to water. It's not just about crap and tax. The EPA folks will become armed, and have complete search and seizure powers. I'm assuming the local jurisdictions are in on this in some way.

EPA 1811 & 1810 investigators are already armed and the EPA has what we would call SWAT with all the trappings. They already can make arrests, get search warrants and generally ruin your day.


By the way this is what I am seeing amongst cops who have a clue.On the other side of the coin I actually know some minority cops, guys I helped get into high quaility gats for off duty, who have stopped packing off duty because they don't feel the need.


This is a big dot if an Academy Commander is talking like this. Notice how he presented things he never ever said any of the gun buying was bad or dangerous but pointed out what cops are seeing as the coming dangers, even going so far as to make the defenders fo the constitution remark. He's telegraphing that this is real, that many cops realize it and they ain't gonna stand for it.What's really strange is he's behind the lines in occupied Ohio.
 

MaureenO

Another Infidel
Whats a take home unit?

It's an assigned patrol car that we are allowed to drive home during our Watch, which is (for me) 3 days on and four days off with alternating fourth day every other week.

The next watch takes the unit home during their 3 day watch. We are now required to drive our own vehicles back and forth, which is not unreasonable, I don't think.

Having a take home means you don't have to empty your unit every day which can take some time that tax payers pay for.

The reason for take home units is so we can respond quickly, ready to assume duty, at a moment's notice.

Maureen :dstrs:
 

Ambros

Veteran Member
It is a pitty that my local LEOs are none-to-bright nor would i want to stand on their side...as most of them are assclowns...i know thats harsh but they are some of the worst at what they do... a few of my friends are making their way through the academy hopefully they will be at least someone i can trust on the inside
 

RJC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Rex Jackson said:
Police, military, and 80% of the nation are together on this. Best not get in their way when its time.

Cardinal said:
I disagree with your percentages. A large percentage of the population either works for the gov in some fashion or takes money from it.
You have to exclude those folks from the rev.o.lu.shun.

The question is: What do you think the article really says in general? Is it that the cops are fearful of an armed society with an anti government mentality, that government they will be obligated to defend. That they themselves and their families will be the targets of an angry society.

Do we think the article means in any way that the LEO’s will be on the side of the revolutionaries or rather does it mean they are fearful of the confrontational side they must take as employees of the government. I think the latter.
 
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