The Flying Dutchman
Deceased
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FT.
I know that you know better then try to 'insert a 'splitting hairs' post.
We both know thqt the subject is the Constitution of the United States. That is what is involved, and we both know it...
Which is more important - the Constitution or The Children?
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FT.
I know that you know better then try to 'insert a 'splitting hairs' post.
We both know thqt the subject is the Constitution of the United States. That is what is involved, and we both know it...
Thomas Paine
Has No Life - Lives on TB
The only people who seem to buy into the Living Constitution idea are the liberals. They came up with the living Constitution bit because the constitution keeps getting in their nanny government, marxist ways. The constitution was written so a person of minimal education could read it and understand that it means exactly what it sezs, no magic beans, spells, or secret handshakes required.
The constitution splits many a hair my friend.
Did you support Elian being returned to his father?
don
dimensiondancer
Inactive
Well, I suggest each and every one of you that are so fretful over this, get off the internet and go out to ElDorado to protest. Or to the WhiteHouse, or in front of your local courthouse rather than sit there and rant at me. You are full blown chickens IMO.
What good are you actually doing challenging me and a few others. Oh, well, you are more interested in yaking on some small thread to just a few who don't agree with you. I guess you don't want to call attention to yourselves and threaten your own compound or whatever it is you are hiding.
You are only as good as your physical feats.
I have heard of no protests on the telly, just on this board alone. You are in the minority of your choosings.
Call attention to yourselves - then I will give you some credit for what you are pushing.
What good are you actually doing challenging me and a few others. Oh, well, you are more interested in yaking on some small thread to just a few who don't agree with you. I guess you don't want to call attention to yourselves and threaten your own compound or whatever it is you are hiding.
You are only as good as your physical feats.
I have heard of no protests on the telly, just on this board alone. You are in the minority of your choosings.
Call attention to yourselves - then I will give you some credit for what you are pushing.
Thomas Paine
Has No Life - Lives on TB
DD you really don't understand how far the system has degenerated do you. These pages on a weekly if not daily basis have reports of people who were not committing crimes or doing anything else to form such a suspicion getting steam rolled by the PTB. The fact you choose to play the tinfoil hat card really makes me wonder about you, you have a long posting history but you choose to use the tactics of the liberal left against here. Sad it really is.
Teeja
On the Beach
DD, if you really and honestly believe this, then you will have no problem proving it by posting your real name and address here on this public forum...
Go ahead, waiting to see if you're "too paranoid" to do that... after all, you're not guilty of any crimes, so what's the harm?
And certainly you're not one of those "tin foil" hat types who think that posting your real name and address will make you a target for loonies, crooks, or overly-ambitious government officials, are you?
Go ahead... waiting for you to prove your point that tin-foil types have no reason to "hide" from the public or government officials...
Waiting for you to "call attention to yourself", as you asked us to do...
Please post:
1. Full legal name
2. Current home address, including street address, city, state & zip
The Flying Dutchman
Deceased
DD
You believe that they are all guilty - with out trials, with out Constitutional rights! Why don't you get your rope, call for a mob - and go lynch them.
That is what you have been advocating.
Thomas Paine
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Been doing that for a long time before I even knew of this board or there was an inter-net. It cost me promotions, it cost me special assignments, and damn near my career. I still do it until you've seen a man's graveyards you really shouldn't run your mouth about what they have or hadn't done. I spend time here engaging people like you because I engage people like you where ever I find them on what ever issue is at hand.
I posted a thread asking what the FLDS supporters were going to do and even posted some examples of constructive things that could be done.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=286795
All I got from the FLDS supporters was flames and personal attacks.
I guess that is all the FLDS supporters feel safe in doing.
Some folks are talkers and some are doers.
don
Thomas Paine
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Don, I didn't see the thread work has been hectic. Also being that I am in Alabama my letters to the texas state government probably meant nothing.
dimensiondancer
Inactive
DD, if you really and honestly believe this, then you will have no problem proving it by posting your real name and address here on this public forum...
Go ahead, waiting to see if you're "too paranoid" to do that... after all, you're not guilty of any crimes, so what's the harm?
And certainly you're not one of those "tin foil" hat types who think that posting your real name and address will make you a target for loonies, crooks, or overly-ambitious government officials, are you?
Go ahead... waiting for you to prove your point that tin-foil types have no reason to "hide" from the public or government officials...
Waiting for you to "call attention to yourself", as you asked us to do...
Please post:
1. Full legal name
2. Current home address, including street address, city, state & zip
You are feeble minded. What you are saying is that you are scared to go public, so I need to reveal myself first, right? Why? I am in agreement with most of the country over this. TB has become so highly anti-government - no IRS, no Patriot Act, let criminals have their field day, stockpiling guns, whatever that meets their needs.
We need government. I am not a liberal. I voted for Bush twice. Now go with that one for a while, have fun. Bush has become too liberal for me.
As the world changes and life in general changes with advancements in crime, and as threats change so must our laws. It's a good thing that having your social security no. in your address wasn't a part of the Constitution. Of course, there was no I.D. theft back in those days.
I think Teeja wants to steal my identity and go buy a new car.
Yeah. It got yanked off the main pretty quickly.
It really seemed to me a starting place to actually do something constructive other than simply bashing TB2K'ers who had absolutley nothing to do with the incident.
don
Teeja
On the Beach
No, I am trying to show you that EVEN YOU are not willing to "go public", because YOU are just as "scared" of the public getting ahold of your real identity and doing nefarious things with that information.
You, my dear DD, are just as "tin foil hat" as those whom you're accusing here on the forums.
If you're not then... I'm still waiting for you to "call attention to yourself", as you asked us to do...
Please post:
1. Full legal name
2. Current home address, including street address, city, state & zip
No one can steal your ID with just those two pieces of information, by the way.
Live up to your own standard, or admit that you are PARANOID of what could happen to you, DD.
At least I'm honest in admitting that I'm paranoid about what people could do with my home address & real name... you, however, seem to be not willing to admit you're as paranoid as I am... you "claim" that you've got nothing to hide from anyone, so what's the risk?
dimensiondancer
Inactive
Sure Teeja, just look me up on FreeRepublic. You can get all that info there. You know, the conservative board for conservative people. No one there is protesting anything being done by the Texas authorities, they are just making fun of the goofballs such as yourself that are angry about FDLS rights being abused.
Teeja
On the Beach
Please post your real address & real name here, publicly, DD, otherwise, we'll just assume it's just another diversion from someone who holds others to a higher standard than they hold to themselves.
In the time you took to type up that reply, you could have typed your name & address.
Oh, yeah, it appears YOU ARE as "paranoid" as the rest of us...
Teeja, your attempts to get personal information on a fellow TB2Ker seems to me a violation of the rules here.Please post your real address & real name here, publicly, DD, otherwise, we'll just assume it's just another diversion from someone who holds others to a higher standard than they hold to themselves.
In the time you took to type up that reply, you could have typed your name & address.
Still waiting...
don
Teeja
On the Beach
Hah, now that's funny Donnie. As far as I can tell, it's only a problem if I post someone else's personal info here. Not if they themselves post it.
Try reading the rules here, next time, before you post accusations, Don.
How 'bout giving us your real name & address, Don? Or are you just as "paranoid" as the rest of us?
No Teeja. No member should be challanged to post his personal information on a public discussion board.
It does not prove your point that one would not do so. It only demonstrates the ability of a member to excersise good judgement.
don
Teeja
On the Beach
Thank you for admitting that you're just as "paranoid" as the rest of us...
Now, how about you DD?
dimensiondancer
Inactive
Aw shoot, maybe I should just shut up and "be sweet", huh Teeja?
Fulltimer. Yes, repetitive attempt to ask for name, address and phone number would be a violation in my book. Just like the rest of the scams going on which we have a place for somewhere. Maybe I will protest there. Or not.
Fulltimer. Yes, repetitive attempt to ask for name, address and phone number would be a violation in my book. Just like the rest of the scams going on which we have a place for somewhere. Maybe I will protest there. Or not.
Teeja
On the Beach
Diversions, diversions....
You know very well that I was trying to make a point with you, not trying to "steal your ID"...
Anyway, you have demonstrated that you as just as "worried" and "paranoid" about "hiding" from the public as the rest of us "tin foil hat" types.
So, your claims that we are not willing to "call attention to" ourselves publicly is plain and simple hypocrisy, since you're not willing to do it yourself.
That is OBVIOUS.
Teeja
On the Beach
Thank you again for proving my point, Don. Sometimes, there ARE valid reasons why people would want to "hide" from the public...
Which is EXACTLY what some people here have condemned the FLDS people of doing - (hiding from the public inside a "secretive compound")...
Never even occurred to you that they MIGHT be hiding for VERY GOOD and LEGAL, common-sense type REASONS.
Diversions, diversions....
You know very well that I was trying to make a point with you, not trying to "steal your ID"...
Anyway, you have demonstrated that you as just as "worried" and "paranoid" about "hiding" from the public as the rest of us "tin foil hat" types.
So, your claims that we are not willing to "call attention to" ourselves publicly is plain and simple hypocrisy, since you're not willing to do it yourself.
That is OBVIOUS.
No Teeja, I am a regular at city council and county commissioner meetings. When I object to something I take action even if it is only getting up in the governor's face and telling him what I think.
Back during the last election I requested and received a meeting with Governor Bush concerning the practice of arbitrarily removing voter's names from the Voter rolls. The courts upheld my contention and Jeb Bush backpedaled and ducked and dodged.
None of those are the same as posting personnel, private information on a public discussion forum.
don
Teeja
On the Beach
Don, that doesn't look like you, how do we know it is you?... 
My point still stands, both you and DD have proven that there are sometimes very valid reasons to remain "hidden" and out of the public eye (whether on a public internet forum or in "real life"), and that simply being a non-mainstream, "separatist" religious group that is hidden from the public inside what people call a "compound" does not make them automatically guilty of anything, nor should it make local officials automatically "suspect" that group of nefarious acts.
My point still stands, both you and DD have proven that there are sometimes very valid reasons to remain "hidden" and out of the public eye (whether on a public internet forum or in "real life"), and that simply being a non-mainstream, "separatist" religious group that is hidden from the public inside what people call a "compound" does not make them automatically guilty of anything, nor should it make local officials automatically "suspect" that group of nefarious acts.
Thomas Paine
Has No Life - Lives on TB
To paraphrase the great 21st Century Thespian Samuel L Jackson "NEGRO PLEASE!!" Freepers are mostly neo cons who drank the Bush cool aid and wouldn't come down against the activities of what they considered a friendly government if it was their "compound" being raided.
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jehu
Mapper of Landmarks
So you say screw the girls, and when/if they are old enough to escape, that is their personal decision.
Do you believe this lines up with the writers of the Constitutions intent?
dimensiondancer
Inactive
It scares me that a criminal can get off for technicality.
Say someone calls the cops complaining someone is growing pot in their basement. Cops comes with warrant based on that complaint, go to the basement and find no pot growing, but instead find that the homeowner has 3 teenage girls naked and bound to three beds and they've been there for over one year being tortured and raped daily. Better yet, one of these girls is your daughter.
Should that homeowner get away with this crime due to techicality?
Well, should they?
Say someone calls the cops complaining someone is growing pot in their basement. Cops comes with warrant based on that complaint, go to the basement and find no pot growing, but instead find that the homeowner has 3 teenage girls naked and bound to three beds and they've been there for over one year being tortured and raped daily. Better yet, one of these girls is your daughter.
Should that homeowner get away with this crime due to techicality?
Well, should they?
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SheWoff
Southern by choice
No, I am trying to show you that EVEN YOU are not willing to "go public", because YOU are just as "scared" of the public getting ahold of your real identity and doing nefarious things with that information.
You, my dear DD, are just as "tin foil hat" as those whom you're accusing here on the forums.
If you're not then... I'm still waiting for you to "call attention to yourself", as you asked us to do...
Please post:
1. Full legal name
2. Current home address, including street address, city, state & zip
No one can steal your ID with just those two pieces of information, by the way.
Live up to your own standard, or admit that you are PARANOID of what could happen to you, DD.
At least I'm honest in admitting that I'm paranoid about what people could do with my home address & real name... you, however, seem to be not willing to admit you're as paranoid as I am... you "claim" that you've got nothing to hide from anyone, so what's the risk?
They can and will steal your id with those two pieces of info and why do you keep calling for these two people to post it in a public forum? Something isn't right with this picture.
She
Dutch,
Did you click through and read her credentials? She is anything BUT an "anti-Constitutionalist"!!!
Rights are God-given by birth, it doesn't have anything to do with what someone wears, how long their hair is or how they braid it, how they live or what they believe -- it is what they are known to practice that is the problem.
NO part of the Constitution allows child abuse, our rights are being flaunted and used by an organization that enables and protects known criminals and felonous practices.
These portions of the analysis quoted speak directly to the point:
dragonslayer2001
Inactive
Teeja
give it a rest. If someone has a pressing need to give out their name or address to tens of thousands of strangers on the INTERNET, such as they are selling a book or running a business and are willing to take a chance they may pick up a stray nut here or there they can do it. Other than that only a fool would publish their name and address just for the heck of it.
And right now based on your last 10 or so screaming fits, you are starting to look like a stray nut to me.
give it a rest. If someone has a pressing need to give out their name or address to tens of thousands of strangers on the INTERNET, such as they are selling a book or running a business and are willing to take a chance they may pick up a stray nut here or there they can do it. Other than that only a fool would publish their name and address just for the heck of it.
And right now based on your last 10 or so screaming fits, you are starting to look like a stray nut to me.
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It has become a pointless argument, Sassy, the lines are drawn in the sand. Those that live to find fault with our gov. and laws etc. aren't interested in whether they are right or wrong. Anyone with an ounce of compassion would look at this and pray to their own God that all of the i's were dotted and the t's crossed so that the scumbags get what is coming to them rather than continually look for some reason to find fault with the system. The past of the leaders in this disgusting excuse for a church shows clearly what is going on in those compounds. It doesn't take a rocket scientist. Then again I imagine those that are looking for fault in our justice system also think that Jeffs is innocent of the charges that he is doing time about. I am not so dumb as to think that there can't be problems with our system but I also am a proud American that has at least a wee bit of faith that our system works instead of living to find constant fault and excuses to run it down. Most likely there are injustices with CPS also but the cases that I have seen were cases that were handled well and thank heavens there was a CPS available to help the children in question. Why must some people constantly run down authority. It definately needs scrutiny to keep it honest but this constant doom and gloom is pretty sick.
dimensiondancer
Inactive
Down to Samuel L. Jackson quotes, huh? You could have used the one from Snakes on a Plane, lots more energy with that quote.
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
You work from the strawman that we want the FLDS to get away with what it has been accused. That's a complete fabrication you've been trolling with for DAYS.
On the contrary, if the FLDS is guilty, not crossing the t's and dotting the i's opens the case to failure, and that is tragic for the specific case itself.
What I think most of us are really worried about is that winning the case WITHOUT CROSSING the t's and dotting the i's opens up the possibility of prosecuting YOU, ME, or ANYONE ELSE without crossing the t's and dotting the i's. That's what we bumpkin East Texans call a "phyrric victory".
BUT THEY WEREN'T THERE TO LOOK FOR A GRAVEYARD OR CHILD MARRIGE BED!
THEY WERE THERE BECAUSE OF A FAKE PHONE CALL!
THEIR RIGHTS HAVE BEEN VIOLATED LIKE A 12 YR OLD FLD GIRL!
Actually, the marriage bed was part of the second warrant.