i have met the Anti-Timebomber...(she has passed away. Update #146)

blackjeep

The end times are here.
I've been married 24 years. In my younger years I had a few false starts, but no bad marraiges I can tell you that demands like that, up front, are a gift and a warning from God. He's showing you the future.

Marrying someone with the thought of changing them into what you want them to be is a BIG mistake.

"My momma told me, "you'd better shop around" ". (Old 60's tune)

Accept God's warning and move on.
 

yellowsprings

Inactive
I would suggest that she should sign up as a member and look around see what TB2K has to offer, but it sounds like she does not spend any time on the internet at all.

What if she told you that you could not spend anytime with your parents, siblings or friends? Would you tolerate that?
 

Synap

Deceased
JEDEDIAH YOU BAD BOY! STAY AFTER SCHOOL AND WRITE ONE THOUSAND TIMES...
She doesn’t buy this line of reasoning (“BS” is closer to her terminology...) and insists that I cease and desist from any future contact with such paranoid prep sites.
Then take your numb fingers to your prayer corner alone, put 'em together and PRAY! And don't stop until you get an unmistakable, unimaginable, no-way-to-misinterpret answer. Yell and scream and throw rocks at His window if need be. Then using the "tell me 3Xs" rule, test it against God's Word. Then wait for Him to send you confirmation by one of his other Children, unasked by you or others involved. It will come, usually by a stranger to you. And a light will light in your spirit and the pieces come together..conviction. Then go for it..whatever the answer. In that you will have your true path..and help along it.

Might be a great idea for your lady friend too. :)
 

BUBBAHOTEPT

Veteran Member
I am late to this post, but have fun JTurtle. I am on a vacation spending money that should be reserved for preps with "She Who Must Be Obeyed" - SWMBO - but after, Cape Hat surfing/camping, the ClassV Water rafting, Horseback riding like the Aussie in the "Horseman", and the 4Wheeling/loose throttle hours long trip into Deliverence Land, I guess there are skills that every woman needs to make you practice once in a while...........Seems like all of us need this to get a prespective and do things we don't get to do............Go for it.............. :p
 

Jmurman

Veteran Member
Interesting thread.

I've known many a man and woman that once married had their spouse try to "mold" them into what THEY wanted them to be. Every one, without exception has failed. At first, there was compliance, then rebellion and then a parting of the ways. This is especially true of Christians who understand that marraige is a lifelong comittment.

I was seriously involved with a woman many years ago who had these same issues, and I was the compliant one. It got to the point where EVERYTHING was her way...and she justified it through Christanity. We split up and I am very glad for that.

I am married to a marvelous woman that would never try to manipulate me or I to her...lifes to damn short for games like that. `

Think long and hard about this because it will manifest itself in other areas.
 

Fuzzychick

Membership Revoked
Jed, obviously you love her, but when one expects, commands, and demands things of you...don't ya think that's a big red flag? A relationship is born out of respect of commonalities and differences, when you commit to someone don't you accept them for better or worse, sickness and in health,richer or poorer, till death do you part...that's how I thought it was supposed to go, not you will do this when I say, you've got 2 minutes on line, etc..perhaps...hmmm, never mind...Jed remember the red flag waving at you...look at it and look deep into your soul, you'll get your answer. JMHO
 

tosca

Inactive
Jed:

Are you facinated by physics? If not, then do not allow her to take more than two minutes out of "your time" to study. How reasonable does this sound? Think about it. Her needs can be met, but not yours? Sounds unbalanced to me. Mari Susan
 

Brooks

Membership Revoked
I don't think the point has really been made that the two of you do not have compatible religions. I think for you that is far more important than whether what she is doing is a highlight of future manipulation of your relationship.
 

Seabear

Inactive
lOTS OF ADVICE

I think most of the advice has been on target. I had the chance to marry a really "compatable"woman once upon a time. I opted to marry the one who loved me for me, and we are still together 19 years later.

Anyone who wants to stifle the other person right off the bat is going to be a bear to live with, and the guilt of a failed Christian marriage is more than most can handle.

I would have serious talk with her and give her opportunity to discuss your concerns but if she can't see the error of her ways and respect your needs especially when it comes to this issue. You could soon be knee deep in doo doo, and she wants to fight you everystep of the way.
 

LilRose8

Veteran Member
Jed.
Seriously.
Ask your self these questions.
Are you in LOVE or are you in LUST? HUGE difference and often difficult to separate, particularly if you are under 30.
Are you looking for a Mommy or are you looking for a best friend/ life partner? From what you have said here it looks like you are looking for someone to put a ring through your nose and 'LEAD' you in some direction. Are you really feeling so lost that you would emasculate yourself to have someone else do your thinking for you?
Somehow I am not buying it. You have always been an astute and interesting contributor here.
One more thing.....and it is THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE.
My dad told me this and it is the best advice in the world.
Marry someone you love to talk to and who loves to talk to you, someone you have a lots of common bonds with. Because eventually the lust fades and that is when the true joy of your relationship begins.
If this woman is not interested in prepping and refuses to allow you to pursure YOUR interest in it, then she does NOT LOVE YOU! She is looking for either a sugar daddy or a puppet or a pet. She is DEFINITELY not looking for a mate.
She needs some serious growing up and some psychotherapy. Not trying to be harsh here Jed, but you asked and there are LOTS of folks on this board who have already made the mistake you are about to make. We are all trying to help you benefit from our mistakes and expensive miserable unhappy horrible awful dasterdly and just plain STUPID errors in judgement.
RUN JED RUN!!!!!!!
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Dear Friends,

you have humbled me and surprised me with your love, concern and honesty. Left, right, libertarian doesn’t affect the general sense of the comments. You are all greatly esteemed for the aforementioned characteristics which you have all displayed with exceptional excellence!

While I posted this with a hint of humor intended, there was something indeed that her comments were based upon, and so many of the responses forced me to discuss the issue with her this Father’s Day after church. It was a very healthy discussion and it helped to uncover the reasons for her genuine concerns.

I must confess right here that her “ultimatum” was given to me slightly more humorously than I managed to convey it in the original post, yet after subsequent deeper discussion with her I realized that there was a real fear involved on her part. That fear was related to her previous marriage where at least 2 very damaging addictions were involved, and a third, to television - which is superficially quite similar to staring at the internet - was just the icing on the cake. After a long revealing conversation with this wonderful woman who has suffered more than I can imagine for longer than I care to imagine, we now have a much better understanding of where we are coming from regarding both her needs and mine.

I am relating all this just to let you know that your overwhelming response to such an “insignificant” thread in terms of “world news” (since it involves merely one anonymous poster on the internet) just absolutely floors me, and has in fact helped us to overcome what was bound to be a big problem later on, by helping us recognize that there were much deeper issues at work.

I also want to share an insight about all of this with all of you, that I have been spending more time thinking about lately.

In so many of our threads and posts, and of course in our own individual lives, we respond, at least in our thinking minds, and often in words and actions, to the words of others whom we don’t really know much about.

How often are we aware of the trials and tribulations that others are enduring which color their speech and behavior? The rejected housewife, or the lonely soldier serving his country a world away from his family? The betrayed or henpecked husband, the father whose son is in jail, the grown children who haven’t seen (nor know the whereabouts of) their mother in 5 years? The lady who just discovered her child has cancer, the faithful worker who was just laid off, the grandparents who just realized that their pension fund was raided, or the young fellow who just lost his best friend, his dog who had spent half his life with him through thick and thin?

I guess what I am saying is that many of us qualify as one of those who are dealing with struggles that are not apparent to the world, and we just struggle with the stress, pain, and losses in silence. That is what I have learned from my beloved. And that insight spills over into what I suspect even among the many here who exhibit such fine understandings about so many things in this world.

The folks here who annoy me with their particular take on world politics, for example, are quite likely among the finest of humans available, in spite of our disagreements, and I hope that I can adjust my responses to their political views to avoid unnecessarily offending my fellow posters. In view of this, I would like to sincerely apologize for any harsh things I have said over the years to such among you here that I have held deep disagreements with. I hope you will forgive me and I do promise I hold no hard feelings towards any of you for things said to me or about me here on tb2k. Blessings indeed upon you all who would welcome them!
 

blackjeep

The end times are here.
It's like a dear old pastor friend of mine says:

"Love is blind, but marriage is a real eye opener."
 

Glowy SC

Senior Member
Jed,

I have been married for 31 years and can tell you that it is all about give and take. My advice is to ask her for a list of things that are equally important to her, that she would like for you to choose from, that she will be giving up when you give up the internet. Maybe you already have something that you would like her to give up so that you can grow into better people together. Surely, she would not want for you to be such a better person than she is that you will have to leave her behind. I personally think that you should leave her in the dust as you run the other way but then I don't like for anyone to tell me what I have to do. Take care. Glowy
 

sparkky

Inactive
jed turtle said:
Dear Friends,

you have humbled me and surprised me with your love, concern and honesty. Left, right, libertarian doesn’t affect the general sense of the comments. You are all greatly esteemed for the aforementioned characteristics which you have all displayed with exceptional excellence!

While I posted this with a hint of humor intended, there was something indeed that her comments were based upon, and so many of the responses forced me to discuss the issue with her this Father’s Day after church. It was a very healthy discussion and it helped to uncover the reasons for her genuine concerns.

I must confess right here that her “ultimatum” was given to me slightly more humorously than I managed to convey it in the original post, yet after subsequent deeper discussion with her I realized that there was a real fear involved on her part. That fear was related to her previous marriage where at least 2 very damaging addictions were involved, and a third, to television - which is superficially quite similar to staring at the internet - was just the icing on the cake. After a long revealing conversation with this wonderful woman who has suffered more than I can imagine for longer than I care to imagine, we now have a much better understanding of where we are coming from regarding both her needs and mine.

I am relating all this just to let you know that your overwhelming response to such an “insignificant” thread in terms of “world news” (since it involves merely one anonymous poster on the internet) just absolutely floors me, and has in fact helped us to overcome what was bound to be a big problem later on, by helping us recognize that there were much deeper issues at work.

I also want to share an insight about all of this with all of you, that I have been spending more time thinking about lately.

In so many of our threads and posts, and of course in our own individual lives, we respond, at least in our thinking minds, and often in words and actions, to the words of others whom we don’t really know much about.

How often are we aware of the trials and tribulations that others are enduring which color their speech and behavior? The rejected housewife, or the lonely soldier serving his country a world away from his family? The betrayed or henpecked husband, the father whose son is in jail, the grown children who haven’t seen (nor know the whereabouts of) their mother in 5 years? The lady who just discovered her child has cancer, the faithful worker who was just laid off, the grandparents who just realized that their pension fund was raided, or the young fellow who just lost his best friend, his dog who had spent half his life with him through thick and thin?

I guess what I am saying is that many of us qualify as one of those who are dealing with struggles that are not apparent to the world, and we just struggle with the stress, pain, and losses in silence. That is what I have learned from my beloved. And that insight spills over into what I suspect even among the many here who exhibit such fine understandings about so many things in this world.

The folks here who annoy me with their particular take on world politics, for example, are quite likely among the finest of humans available, in spite of our disagreements, and I hope that I can adjust my responses to their political views to avoid unnecessarily offending my fellow posters. In view of this, I would like to sincerely apologize for any harsh things I have said over the years to such among you here that I have held deep disagreements with. I hope you will forgive me and I do promise I hold no hard feelings towards any of you for things said to me or about me here on tb2k. Blessings indeed upon you all who would welcome them!

looks like she just won. sounds like you're all "touchy-feely" with yourself, or your feminine side. ever consider registering the wedding with the divorace lawyer of your choice? I always figured a man without hope of divorace has no good reason to get out of bed in the mornings. ;)
seriously, if she ain't over the issues of her last marriage she sure ain't ready for her next one. it doesn't take "orders" to control a man, sometimes a "tear" will do just fine.
Good luck!!
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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sparkky said:
looks like she just won. sounds like you're all "touchy-feely" with yourself, or your feminine side. ever consider registering the wedding with the divorace lawyer of your choice? I always figured a man without hope of divorace has no good reason to get out of bed in the mornings. ;)
seriously, if she ain't over the issues of her last marriage she sure ain't ready for her next one. it doesn't take "orders" to control a man, sometimes a "tear" will do just fine.
Good luck!!

I disagree. When you are married for any length of time you develop ways and things that affect the rest of your life.

The fact that the two of them are sharing even more is a great sign rather than them harboring things and fears from one another.

You cannot divorce yourself from living-you can learn and go on and marry to the heart.
 

Loon

Inactive
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Give up Timebomb.

As a newlywed, you should have much more fun things to tend to. :)

If you must spend time on the computer negotiate a time frame more like 20 minutes instead of two.

Life is too short to spend it all in front of a computer screen.

Take this from someone who spent way too much time on the computer and wasted some precious time that I'll never get back.

Go out and live life. Sounds like you have a like minded partner to share it with.

May I wish you both all the very best life has to offer. Don't waste time worrying about what MIGHT happen rather than living life in the here and now.

Life is too short. Make memories.
 

Dancr

Inactive
First, I must say that I agree with every post on this thread. I'm wishy washy that way.

Years before my son was born I fretted over whether I was cut out for parenthood because I value my freedom. I worked up in my head a schedule of what I considered to be the bare minimum free time that I would require to preserve my sanity. It was something close to this: five minutes per day to catch my breath, a half hour every other day to soak in the tub, a half day every month to wander off, and one weekend per year to visit my college roommate or a spa. As things turned out for 3-4 years running, I didn't get any of that. The point is, that life has a way of not turning out as we expect.

In a quick mental review of the last half-decade, I note that you spend a LOT of time here. You probably don't know *me* but I certainly do remember you from way back. This assessment comes from someone who has been known to spend here not just hours a day, but tens of hours. That's not to say you can't quit. Of course you can. Would it be worth it for a good marriage. Yeck, yeah. But...

Watch out. It's not that she thinks you're wasting your time. It's that she doesn't like the way you are when you're being the way you want to be. I'm reminded of an episode of the Mary Tyler Moore show. Lou says to Ted, "Ted, you know the way you always are?" Ted says, "Yeah, Lou?" Lou says, "Well, don't BE that way!"

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Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
It's fun to prep with a spouse. Makes you think ahead and plan and learn new skills and share a common goal. Doing it intelligently and moderately is plain common sense. Anybody opposed to prepping moderately is not well educated with regard to earth history.

At the same time life must be savored and ample time for carefree fun spent building happy memories.

A person who has had a painful relationship will feel all sorts of hurts and have lots of triggers. I know. I was the happiest person around, more or less, until my husband went insane. Around the same time I saved the life of my boss at work, whose husband had been going insane for decades. When Ashton ran off, Lynn my boss turned around and saved my life. We have merged our lives to survive and have fun and enjoy all life has to offer. It's interesting because we both have plenty of issues and triggers from dealing with our insane husbands. Much healing and self-confidence-building must take place before going into the "husband material" route again, if ever.

So if anybody is thinking about marrying "damaged goods" as a rescue mission, think long and hard before giving up your identity and life and self-determination. The injured person can drown you in his/her quagmire in short order.

I thank God every minute that He's given me a chance at life ... no way I would let anything impair that now. Freedom is worth everything.

Also, beware going into a relationship with anybody who doesn't believe you or share your values. Not believing you is a sign of fundamental lack of respect.
 

Fuzzychick

Membership Revoked
Well....not to thread drift here but I've found one just the opposite, and I can't stop smiling.....Jed do what's in your heart, but remember marriage is a partnership based on friendship, commonalities, and the right for individual freedoms despite being a union of one...JMHO here. :spns:
 

inskanoot

Veteran Member
Two minutes per night on the internet?

How about newspaper and magazine subscriptions? How about phone calls? How much time in the bathroom? Will you be allowed food and water? Does she follow the Geneva Convention? Isn't slavery still illegal in this country?
If she's busy controlling you, who's gonna control her?


Rrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Anjou

Inactive
Fuzzychick said:
marriage is a partnership based on friendship, commonalities, and the right for individual freedoms despite being a union of one...JMHO here. :spns:


Said beautifully.
 

oldtimer

Inactive
Just is Just.

If your cooking up meth in the basement, then I would be 100 percent in her ballpark.

However if you are carrying out relatively normal activities for normal periods of time then such domineering decrees are not in your best interests or hers.

One way to test the waters is to put the shoe on the other foot and make some absurd statement about what she can’t do.

If she is jealous of your activities on TBK then the two of you have more serious issues to discuss than this.

If your obviously obsessed then negotiating a reasonable compromise or suggestion that you go to internet rehab might make me less suspicious of her motivations:)

However you have to be honest with yourself and really prioritize your time based on what is important. Time is the most precious resource that either of you have. Both of you will have to share time and why else would you get married in the first place?

Getting married is not the same thing as dating. If you are really serious about spending much of your future with each other then you really need to work this stuff out and learn to respect each other.

I normally don’t respond to these things to avoid offending people I don’t personally know, but since she said she would read this trail I changed my mind.

Don’t think that I’m one of these macho types. I’ve been married for 33 years to the same Women, have raised two grown men and have three grandchildren.

If you choose to get married there will be much more important and interesting things for the two of you to focus on other than this type of stuff.

Best wishes to both of you.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
14 years later

Dear TB2K family,
I have bumped this thread to the top to share the fact that “the anti-Timebomber” passed a little over a week ago, 3 days short of our 14th anniversary, but she went to be with the Lord on the 50th anniversary of the first manned moon landing.
It was a difficult two months after we received the diagnosis and a “less than two month left” expected time frame. In spite of not having insurance or savings, God provided through friends and church all that we needed for me to care for her at home.

As I reviewed the comments, having survived 14 years yoked spiritually to this person, I have to nod to Dancr’s comment “ I agree with every post to this thread”

I intend to print this thread out and post it to the wall by the bed, so I will read it over several times before I start to think about marriage again. We enjoyed several of the benefits and blessings many enjoy from the marriage state, but so many of you gave good and wise advice also which I suppose I should have ruminated upon much more deeply. In any event, one of the inescapable blessings she provided was the excellent training almost every weekend she gave our grandchildren, and also the valuable contributions she made to our health through the highest quality cooking/food she was fanatically devoted to.

I am encouraged that the next time we meet, we will both be different in a totally perfect way only possible through the healing that only Jesus can perform. Much thanks again for all your sharing of insights, wisdom, concern, and love. May God richly, deeply bless each of you with you hearts’ desires!
 

rockcreek

Veteran Member
So sorry to hear about your wife. She sounds like she was a wonderful person. I am going thru this also. My Dh passed a few months ago. Take care of yourself. This a is hard thing to deal with. Prayers for you.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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May the knowledge that she's no longer suffering and that you will meet again be great comfort to you as you begin to rebuild your life. God bless and comfort you in the coming weeks...

Summerthyme
 

desertvet2

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I hope that fourteen years was time well spent. I cannot fathom your loss. GOD bless you.
My (8 years younger ) wife can be a real " pain in me hole " at times, sometimes more than others, but I know it goes both ways. I love my " little bird" ( she is shorter and has to walk much faster to keep up with my pace).

We are both slightly damaged and bump heads, but it's been twenty years..some were very hard on me, as I'm sure some were on her.

Kind of reminds me of the conversation between Robin Williams and Matt Damon.
Robin is a counselor trying to reach Matt's character, they have a " discussion" about Robins characters marriage.

Touching....

Again, GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.

She sounds like a wonderful life gift from HE the most.

Saddened in your loss

HE WILL PROVIDE
 

Old Reliable

Veteran Member
I second what Daisy said also.

Don’t walk RUN she sounds like a control freak and I would run for it NOW.

You are setting your self up for a life of hell.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
I second what Daisy said also.

Don’t walk RUN she sounds like a control freak and I would run for it NOW.

You are setting your self up for a life of hell.

I should have have figured out to change the thread title to alert readers that she had passed away...
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Sorry for the loss of your wife. Best thing that can be said, has been said. By you. She went to be with the Lord and she is now out of pain and in a perfected body. And that the two of you will meet again. God bless and keep you during your grief.
 

SouthernBreeze

TB Fanatic
Maybe a thread title change is in order? I was confused, too.

So sorry, Jed. May God's blessings be upon you during this time of loss.
 

Bardou

Veteran Member
Help!
I have met the Anti-Timebomber, and she’s my future wife! She’s not just uninterested, she’s actively OPPOSED to me watching the news unfold here. (AAARGH!)

She has informed me that once we are married (coming up alarming fast, btw: July 23rd ),
I will be permitted 2 minutes a night on the internet.

This seems to me bordering on being cruelly inhumane, not merely dangerously shortsighted. Does she think she will have her way with me the other several hundred minutes of the evening?

She thinks that Timebomb2000 is affecting me in a negatory fashion, making a worry-wart out of me. I tried to explain that I was brought up as a Boy Scout - Be Prepared being a way of life, not just a motto - and that by being prepared for 17 types of world-changing cataclysms I was actually preventing my turning into a worrier. She doesn’t buy this line of reasoning (“BS” is closer to her terminology...) and insists that I cease and desist from any future contact with such paranoid prep sites.

Since we are both born-again Christians and share the same pro-life, pro-marriage, pro-moral values common to Evangelicals world-wide, I am reluctant to sacrifice my future relationship with such a well-grounded and Godly woman. She says she will accept whatever God gives her for her fate, but i want to last long enough to see what happens next...

(To her credit, she has lived for several years in the past off-grid, and is inclined to favorably consider solar power, underground architecture, and even my methane digester ambitions.)

So. Do I actually give up my Timebomb2000 activities and join the hordes of ignorance-embracing pollyannas, or find a more understanding wife, or is there some way to convert her to the prepping-for-TEOTWAWKI world-view? is this how it ends, not with a bang, but a whimper?

After reading your original thread above, and reading the replies below it, you did not take anyone's advice. You sound happy that you didn't and things worked out okay for you.....so much for asking for advice on the internet. It sounds like you had some good years together. If you decide to remarry someday, just because they aren't a TB'er (DH isn't and we've been married 50 years), doesn't mean a relationship can't work. Speaking for myself, if I liked someone and wanted to share my life with them, I'd go for it. Sorry for your loss.
 
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