Gitche Gumee Kid
Veteran Member
The most recent one is the Social Security Agency.
GGK
GGK
GOV/MIL What's everyone's take on all the various Govt agencys stockpiling ammo?
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VesperSparrow
Goin' where the lonely go
Well...they ain't stocking it for shi**s and giggles...
I'm thinking along the lines of French Revolution type peasants putting their aristocratic asses in the guillotines...(or their heads)....
I'm thinking along the lines of French Revolution type peasants putting their aristocratic asses in the guillotines...(or their heads)....
ParanoidNot
Veteran Member
The government is probably just gearing up for the newly mandated ObamaCare Death Panels.
Nothing to see hear folks, move along, just keep moving along.
I remain ParanoidNot
Nothing to see hear folks, move along, just keep moving along.
I remain ParanoidNot
Sleeping Cobra
TB Fanatic
Arm both sides to kill each other off. Wars are done this way. The coming Civil War will be the same.
TimeTraveler
Veteran Member
They can stock all the bullets they want. They don’t have the manpower to succeed.
Zulu Cowboy
Keep It Real...
Now they're classifying the purchase amounts? WTF...
Zulu Cowboy
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http://www.infowars.com/dhs-classifies-ammo-purchase-following-controversy/
DHS Classifies New Ammo Purchases Following Controversy
Federal agency blacks out amount of bullets being bought
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Wednesday, August 15, 2012
The Department of Homeland Security has redacted information relating to the quantity of bullets it is buying following a controversy concerning the agency’s purchase of over a billion rounds of ammo, which many fear is a sign the federal government is preparing for civil unrest in the United States.
Despite the fact that documents are only supposed to be redacted if authorized by Congress or for national security reasons, a solicitation posted on the FedBizOpps website yesterday concerning ammunition purchases made by the DHS on behalf of Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) contains numerous blacked out sections.
The classified portions of the document include references to the amount of 223 62 and 223 64 grain ammunition being purchased.
The solicitation explains how the contract put out by the DHS to purchase the ammunition was not subject to “full and open competition,” a process justified by what the DHS claims was an “unusual and compelling urgency” to acquire the bullets, noting that there is a shortage of bullets which is threatening a situation which could cause “substantial safety issues for the government” should law enforcement officials not be adequately armed.
The Department of Homeland Security’s decision to black out sections of the document, including the number of bullets being purchased, is likely to be related to a massive controversy which has snowballed over the last few weeks pertaining to concerns as to why the federal agency has purchased well over a billion rounds of bullets over the last 6 months alone.
The DHS’ decision back in March to purchase of 450 million rounds of .40-caliber hollow point bullets that are designed to expand upon entry and cause maximum organ damage prompted questions as to why the federal agency required such powerful bullets and in such large quantities merely for training purposes.
This was followed up by a more recent order for a further 750 million rounds of assorted ammunition, including bullets that can penetrate walls.
Given the fact that the DHS is also acquiring riot gear in preparation for civil unrest which could take place at the upcoming DNC, RNC and presidential inauguration, the purchase of ammunition in such massive numbers has stoked fears that the federal government could be preparing to use force against the American people...(snip)..."
This screenshot illustrates how the DHS has blacked out information pertaining to the amount of bullets being purchased.
More at:
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-classifies-ammo-purchase-following-controversy/
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http://www.infowars.com/dhs-classifies-ammo-purchase-following-controversy/
DHS Classifies New Ammo Purchases Following Controversy
Federal agency blacks out amount of bullets being bought
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Wednesday, August 15, 2012
The Department of Homeland Security has redacted information relating to the quantity of bullets it is buying following a controversy concerning the agency’s purchase of over a billion rounds of ammo, which many fear is a sign the federal government is preparing for civil unrest in the United States.
Despite the fact that documents are only supposed to be redacted if authorized by Congress or for national security reasons, a solicitation posted on the FedBizOpps website yesterday concerning ammunition purchases made by the DHS on behalf of Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) contains numerous blacked out sections.
The classified portions of the document include references to the amount of 223 62 and 223 64 grain ammunition being purchased.
The solicitation explains how the contract put out by the DHS to purchase the ammunition was not subject to “full and open competition,” a process justified by what the DHS claims was an “unusual and compelling urgency” to acquire the bullets, noting that there is a shortage of bullets which is threatening a situation which could cause “substantial safety issues for the government” should law enforcement officials not be adequately armed.
The Department of Homeland Security’s decision to black out sections of the document, including the number of bullets being purchased, is likely to be related to a massive controversy which has snowballed over the last few weeks pertaining to concerns as to why the federal agency has purchased well over a billion rounds of bullets over the last 6 months alone.
The DHS’ decision back in March to purchase of 450 million rounds of .40-caliber hollow point bullets that are designed to expand upon entry and cause maximum organ damage prompted questions as to why the federal agency required such powerful bullets and in such large quantities merely for training purposes.
This was followed up by a more recent order for a further 750 million rounds of assorted ammunition, including bullets that can penetrate walls.
Given the fact that the DHS is also acquiring riot gear in preparation for civil unrest which could take place at the upcoming DNC, RNC and presidential inauguration, the purchase of ammunition in such massive numbers has stoked fears that the federal government could be preparing to use force against the American people...(snip)..."
This screenshot illustrates how the DHS has blacked out information pertaining to the amount of bullets being purchased.
More at:
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-classifies-ammo-purchase-following-controversy/
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ParanoidNot
Veteran Member
So that would be like all of the S/S and IRS bureaucrats on one side taking on the DHS and Medicare/caid bureaucrats on the other side???? That would be sweet.
Is the S/S administration also ordering drones? They will need them to have the same stand off capability of Janet Nepolitano.
Maybe the post office is getting drones. I wonder if the PO could get a drone to fly from the west coast to the east coast faster than an Express Mail package?????
Sorry for the drift. Seriously, the only reason I can think of is they want to protect the election by stationing SEIU goonions/thuggies at the polling stations to help the Black Panthers while they are "poll watching" for anyone voting against Obama.
Gercarson
Veteran Member
I just had this very discussion about an hour ago with my brother. Who the heck is trained in these organizations that would be able to USE all that ammo? Do they train their entire staff to be army men and women? There is something definitely "strange" going on.
m.anderson
Veteran Member
There was someone on the Tree that actually said that the amount was what would normaly
be used for target practice in a year and there was nothing to worry about, well it is nice to know you can afford hollow points for target practice.
be used for target practice in a year and there was nothing to worry about, well it is nice to know you can afford hollow points for target practice.
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Mongo
Veteran Member
Man, maybe I need to buy a Glock in .40 S&W....seems like there is going to be alot of ammo laying around.
OH - I just heard Levin say it's .357 Sig
Hmmmmmmmm
Get ready.
and oh yeah - just cause they have ammo doesnt mean they know how to use it. Consider BATFE at Waco - they had for time really cool gear and weapons and did not have a CLUE.
OH - I just heard Levin say it's .357 Sig
Hmmmmmmmm
Get ready.
and oh yeah - just cause they have ammo doesnt mean they know how to use it. Consider BATFE at Waco - they had for time really cool gear and weapons and did not have a CLUE.
changed
Preferred pronouns: dude/bro
Ding, ding, ding
It drives up prices. Reduces availability and keeps bullets out of the hands of joe six pack.
And another one from left field would be ...
All of these agencies are technically the .gov and while they each have separate budgets they are run under a single umbrella once you get far enough up the ladder. There is NOTHING that would prevent them from stockpiling for and then transferring the ammo to another agency at some point in the future. There is also NOTHING that would prevent those storage buildings from being turned into space for some other .gov agency to operate out of.
For all we know DHS could be mandating that various agencies with large budgets bank roll a "sub station" that they will then take over if/when necessary.
All of these agencies are technically the .gov and while they each have separate budgets they are run under a single umbrella once you get far enough up the ladder. There is NOTHING that would prevent them from stockpiling for and then transferring the ammo to another agency at some point in the future. There is also NOTHING that would prevent those storage buildings from being turned into space for some other .gov agency to operate out of.
For all we know DHS could be mandating that various agencies with large budgets bank roll a "sub station" that they will then take over if/when necessary.
Roscoe's Daddy
Veteran Member
When your "company" is the one that prints the money, that's EXACTLY what you do! Using the same product for training and service does actually meet a need and causes less problems down the road. Keep in mind, the goverment receives huge discounts on volume orders. When the employees attend training on their own, and on their own dime, they usually opt for FMJ generics like many of us.
AlaskaSue
North to the Future
Kathy, you win the interwebs today!
hammerhead
Inactive
1. It's not their money, so . . . (shrug)
2. Some weapons that run ball ammo well will choke on hollowpoints -- so you have to test weapon and duty/carry ammo together before you rely on them.
mt4design
Has No Life - Lives on TB
It would be great to see what the orders were historically over a given time... But that is probably now classified as well.
No sense letting the tax payers know how the .gov is spending their money.
I wonder if this isn't DHS getting ready to put down insurrection by pesky Constitutionalists when Obama suspends elections.
Mike
No sense letting the tax payers know how the .gov is spending their money.
I wonder if this isn't DHS getting ready to put down insurrection by pesky Constitutionalists when Obama suspends elections.
Mike
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medic38572
TB Fanatic
Who resigned?
Grammytomany
Inactive
Not to lose the election at any cost???? Tinfoil. Tinfoil. I need more Tinfoil.
m.anderson
Veteran Member
That makes me feel a lot better, I would really hate for their gun to jam
just when they were trying to take out a God loving, 2nd amendment supporter,
because he had the nerve to stock up on food and supplies. Damn terrorist
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Preferred pronouns: dude/bro
The only people who have resigned are the ones who knew that they would get creamed in the next election. Barney (ballpark) Frank being one of them.
Did ya'all hear about the new hot dog being offered at Fenway Park? Its called the Barney Frank. If you don't like it, you can shove it up your azz.
In my deepest woo-woo thoughts, I see the DHS thugs going up against the military.
The HNIC discussed the groundwork for this scenario early on. (Civilian Army....)
I can't explain why, this just keeps coming back to me.
The HNIC discussed the groundwork for this scenario early on. (Civilian Army....)
I can't explain why, this just keeps coming back to me.
imaginative
keep your eye on the ball
Maybe its a part of the civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded that will be used to 'spread the wealth'?
Samsmom
The Bees Know
I can see 4 possible scenarios:
1) Get the ammo in shorter supply and at a higher cost for the civilians, which has already been mentioned.
2) Arm a civilian national security force, which also has been mentioned.
3) Anticipation of unrest at the DNC and RNC conventions.
4) Anticipation of civil unrest after the Nov election, whether O gets elected or not.
1) Get the ammo in shorter supply and at a higher cost for the civilians, which has already been mentioned.
2) Arm a civilian national security force, which also has been mentioned.
3) Anticipation of unrest at the DNC and RNC conventions.
4) Anticipation of civil unrest after the Nov election, whether O gets elected or not.
I think it's great that they're storing all that ammo for the general population to snag in the looting frenzy after everything goes to hell. I'd be willing to bet money that in a true TEOTWAWKI situation a huge chunk of b-rats will stay home and/or abandon their posts outright (including at least some of the folks with the keys or keycodes to the armories).
well after a discussion with another member here he believes that plus the all suppliers may not be able to meet demands so it's better to stock up now
5 - The total collapse of the financial system in the coming weeks, resulting in closing of the banks and possible devaluation of the dollar, resulting in riots in the cities, resulting in martial law.
Even Max Keiser says this is going to happen between now and no later than April 15, 2013. Police all over the US are being told it's going to happen within 2 weeks prior to the election.
TheDoberman
Veteran Member
I think maybe this is the ultimate agenda.
I want to put something out here that has probably not occurred to any of you and that has only recently occurred to me after somewhat getting involved within this community of the younger demographic. I recently started playing a xbox game with my children called mw3 (call of duty, modern warfare 3). At first like any parent I pretty much sucked. I'm in my early 30's and the people who play this game are basically my age and on down into the teens. It took me some time but I have actually become extremely good at this game. I don't really even play or enjoy playing video games, nor do I have the time. But this game is different since it is highly competitive and you play it online against other people.
There are several million people in the U.S. alone that play this game. The virtual warfare, the realism, the tactics used are like a virtual military bootcamp. I personally believe if the gov. put guns in the hands of many of these gamers, they would be able to tactically smoke 95% of everyone on this board, easily. I understand many of you will not believe that statement, but I think its 100% accurate.
Personally, if there is a war coming I would do everything in my power to sit it out. I don't want to be involved in a war, any war. If it so happened to show up at my house, it would be in for a very harsh surprise.
Palmetto
Son, Husband, Father
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
I would disagree mainly because as complex as MW3 is, it's still a game. The "world" is idealized and the reactions of the non-player elements are limited. As an example, I give a commercial from several years ago now, showing a group of teens not unlike those you describe playing a similar game against other opponents. These teens had two-way communication, a well-planned assault for their objective, and a good distribution of character types. And then they met the opposing force, or rather, the entered the area the opposing force controlled, and suddenly their team was dying left and right, and their communications rapidly devolved into panicked clamor. After the teens had been wiped out, their opponents were revealed to be an actual Army fireteam playing from their tents overseas.
MW3, as with most MMORPG combat games, is still relatively easily deconstructed into an algorithm of character A + character B + 3x character C = victory for small raids etc. Real tactics involves actual movement through unpredictable terrain. Even playing against other live players, the "battles" and tactics are still limited severely by the way the characters behave and the limitations of the "world". Those limits are very different in real life, and when it's you carrying the rifle, it's a very different prospect from when your idealized super-soldier character who can run literally for hours without stopping is carrying.
Shinmen Takezo
Inactive
It seems that all the viral news activity regarding these ammo purchases it disturbing "The Force" with the DC thugs.
I just read somewhere that all such requisitions will be kept confidential (somehow) in the future regarding gov/thug acquisition of ammo.
ST
I just read somewhere that all such requisitions will be kept confidential (somehow) in the future regarding gov/thug acquisition of ammo.
ST
TheDoberman
Veteran Member
I agree: physical abilities, actual real-world weapon experience, knowing your terrain and other factors would play into ones ability to conduct warfare. Still though, from a tactical perspective much can be learned by being a competitive online mw3 player. For instance, a few of the top player guys I follow in the game are also extremely good paint-ballers, I believe they have tactical skills they have learned which helps them. All I'm saying is don't be surprised if this generation with health and youth on their side and lack of morals passed down by parents absent from their lives end up being this civilian army. Mix in some extremely good mw3 players/paintballers and you have a force that could do some serious damage.
Zulu Cowboy
Keep It Real...
Being an online 'war gamer' has another side effect that should be considered...the desensitizing effect that playing the game, has on the young player's willingness to take a human life. It's not a natural thing to kill someone. Our whole society is based on a system of laws and moral standards that preclude indiscriminate killing. Gamers get the advantage of developing their killing skills, without having to hear the screams of the people they just shot. They are desensitized to the violence...there's no psychological price to pay, when you are gaming. (it's like killing zombies in a movie). Consider the soldiers who pilot our unmanned drones. Wanna' bet...most of those guys are former 'gamers'?
Zulu Cowboy