CRISIS India Power Grid Failure: Second Outage, Larger Than Yesterday, Major Grid Collapse?

Kathy in FL

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Have no idea if this has affected call centers and customer service for companies here in the States (or elsewhere for that matter) but it is a possible looking into our future.

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370M Indians swelter in heat after power fails

NEW DELHI (AP) -- Northern India's power grid crashed Monday, halting hundreds of trains, forcing hospitals and airports to use backup generators and leaving 370 million people - more than the population of the United States and Canada combined - sweltering in the summer heat.

The blackout, the worst to hit India in a decade, highlighted the nation's inability to feed a growing hunger for energy as it strives to become a regional economic power.

Some small businesses were forced to shut for the day. Buildings were without water because the pumps weren't working. Muslim families were forced to eat their pre-dawn meals by candlelight before beginning their daytime Ramadan fast. "It was really difficult," said farmer Mohammed Zaman.

The northern grid crashed about 2:30 a.m. because it could no longer keep up with the huge demand for power in the hot summer, officials in the state of Uttar Pradesh said. However, Power Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde said he was not sure exactly what caused the collapse and had formed a committee to investigate it.

The grid feeds the nation's breadbasket in Punjab, the war-wracked region of Kashmir, the burgeoning capital of New Delhi, the Dalai Lama's Himalayan headquarters in Dharmsala and the world's most populous state, the poverty stricken Uttar Pradesh.

By late morning, 60 percent of the power had been restored in the eight northern states affected by the outage and the rest was expected to be back on line by the afternoon, Shinde said. The grid was drawing power from the neighboring eastern and western grids as well as getting hydroelectric power from the small neighboring mountain kingdom of Bhutan.

New Delhi residents were roused from sleep when their fans and air conditioners stopped and came out of their homes in the heat as the entire city turned dark. Temperatures in the city were in the mid-30s (90s Fahrenheit) with 89 percent humidity. New Delhi's Metro transit system, with 1.8 million daily riders, stopped for hours during the morning commute. Some trains across the northern region were stranded when their electric engines failed. Others were delayed by hours as they were hooked to diesel engines.

Amit Naik, a toy maker in New Delhi, was forced to close his workshop for the day.

"There was no water, so my machine couldn't run. Other people had the same difficulties," he said.

While the outage was unique in its reach, its impact was softened by Indians' familiarity with almost daily power outages of varying duration. Hospitals and major businesses have backup generators that kick in when during power cuts, and upscale homes run on backup systems powered by truck batteries.

"This will obviously get worse," said Subhash Chawla, a 65-year-old retiree who took the Metro once power was restored. "Unless the Metro has a separate power supply, it will be chaos in the future."

The Confederation of Indian Industry said the outage was a reminder of the urgent need for the government to fix the power sector, ensure a steady supply of coal for power plants and reform the electricity utilities. Transmission and distribution losses in some states are as much as 50 percent because of theft and corruption by employees in the power industry.

Shinde deflected criticism, pointing out that the United States and Brazil also had huge power failures in recent years.

"I ask you to look at the power situation in other countries as well," he said.

The failure was the first time since 2001 that the northern grid had collapsed. But India's demand for electricity has soared since then as its economy has grown sharply. The outage was a reminder of the country's long road ahead in upgrading its infrastructure to meet its aspirations of being an economic superpower.

India's Central Electricity Authority reports power deficits of about 8 percent in recent months. But any connection to the grid remains a luxury for many. One-third of India's households do not even have electricity to power a light bulb, according to last year's census.

The power deficit was worsened by a weak monsoon that lowered hydroelectric generation and kept temperatures higher, further increasing electricity usage as people seek to cool off. Shivpal Singh Yadav, the power minister in the state of Uttar Pradesh, home to 200 million people, said that while demand during peak hours hits 11,000 megawatts, the state can only provide 9,000 megawatts.

Uttar Pradesh Power Corporation chief Avnish Awasthi blamed the grid collapse on states drawing more than their allotted power to meet the summer demand.

Earlier this month, angry crowds blocked traffic and clashed with police after blackouts in the Delhi suburb of Gurgaon that houses many high-rise apartment blocks and offices. With no power in some neighborhoods for more than 24 hours, people erected blockades that paralyzed traffic for several hours.
 

Dennis Olson

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leaving 370 million people - more than the population of the United States and Canada combined - sweltering in the summer heat.


Would they even notice? I mean, as a nation these people are just a few years removed from mud huts and crapping in rivers...
 

undead

Veteran Member
leaving 370 million people - more than the population of the United States and Canada combined - sweltering in the summer heat.


Would they even notice? I mean, as a nation these people are just a few years removed from mud huts and crapping in rivers...


when did they stop crapping in the rivers?



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Kathy in FL

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Some pictures of the regions in question. Not all are grass and mud huts, that's for sure.

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Kathy in FL

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No, but those pics only detail about 5% of the country. And the PEOPLE are what they are, regardless of pretty buildings...

Actually those are just a couple of New Delhi, I'm on a tight schedule of I would grab some more from the other regions.

The point is that these are large, urban centers not agricultural areas. Think of NYC on steroids.
 

Dennis Olson

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I know about India Kathy. My statement stand however, as it is MHO that about 95% of the country is mud huts (or whatever the Indian equivalent might be) and rivers as toilets.
 

Warthog

Tusk Up
We have a ignorant person in the white house doing the same thing to America as we speak! Soon it will be 300 million American's sitting in the dark. Each coal fired plant that's taken down by Obama = a weaker grid.
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Record number of coal-fired generators to be shut down in 2012
Published: 12:20 AM 07/28/2012
By Michael Bastasch

Facing declining demand for electricity and stiff federal environmental regulations, coal plant operators are planning to retire 175 coal-fired generators, or 8.5 percent of the total coal-fired capacity in the United States, according to an analysis by the Energy Information Administration (EIA).

A record-high 57 generators will shut down in 2012, representing 9 gigawatts of electrical capacity, according to EIA. In 2015, nearly 10 gigawatts of capacity from 61 coal-fired generators will be retired.

While many of those coal plants are old and relatively inefficient, the scope of this new planned shutdown is unprecedented.

:siren:“The coal-fired capacity expected to be retired over the next five years is more than four times greater than retirements performed during the preceding five-year period,” EIA noted in the analysis.

The generators that will be retired between 2012 and 2016 are “approximately 12% more efficient than the group of units, on average, that retired during 2009-2011,” according to the EIA.

The low price of natural gas resulting from the shale boom has led to reduced coal consumption and made the shutdowns necessary, experts say.

But federal and state regulations have also damaged the industry and contributed to plant closures.


“The cost of compliance with anticipated and existing Federal environmental regulations such as the Mercury and Air Toxics Standards (MATS) is a factor,” the EIA noted. “Particularly in the case of older, smaller units that are not used heavily, owners may conclude it is more cost efficient to retire plants rather than make additional investments.”

Most of the coal-fired generator retirements will occur in the Mid-Atlantic, Ohio River Valley and the Southeast.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/28/record-number-of-coal-fired-generators-to-be-shut-down-in-2012/
 
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The Mountain

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I hate to disagree with our eminent founder, but it's probably more like 40% or so that still live in smaller cottages made from laterite bricks, and they're more like 3-4 generations, not years, away from country living, for the most part. There is only a tiny fraction that still live in tribal-style huts. True, not all of those in the cottages have power, but a surprising number do. The greater number are in the cities now.

Also, the poorer folk generally crap in the woods or bushes. The city folk (indirectly) crap in the rivers, because water treatment is still fairly haphazard.

In any event, yes, they'll notice. Delhi and the surrounding cities are probably the second largest concentration of population in India, which is why so many are affected. The outage covered Delhi and several other states to the North and West. Mumbai and Bangalore, where the majority of the tech companies are, were unaffected. I was also unaffected, and we actually didn't even hear about this; I only found out from this board. See the other thread on this for the rest of my response.
 

The Mountain

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Quick update on this: The outage finally made the paper this morning. It was a two-column, 2-inch bit right on the fold of the front page, and a short editorial on the irresponsibility of the power minister in not doing his job. The cause of the outage was a combination of low water stock in hydro-power reservoirs, combined with the states of Haryana and Punjab illegally drawing more than their allotted power from the national grid during peak hours, to the tune of 1GW excess draw. The drain tripped breakers in Agra, which caused a cascade as other sectors were already right at the limit themselves. Blame is falling squarely on the Power and Energy minister, and his state-level counterparts, for playing political games rather than actually modernizing the power infrastructure as they had been told to.

This is only a problem because of poor planning, not because of the kind of energy stupidity currently emanating from D.C. Indians, as several have bluntly admitted to me, are pretty much inherently unable to do the kind of forward-thinking planning that much of the West takes for granted. As a result, capacity planning and future-proofing are almost never considered, and thus it is very easy for demand to outstrip supply, not just in power (as a result of growth), but food, telecom bandwidth, road capacity, traffic engineering, etc etc.
 

tanstaafl

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You couldn't pay me enough to be in large swaths of India in the summer even WITH electricity! A lot of folks in the U.S. don't have a clue what that kind of heat is like. The humidity is awful when the summer monsoon rains come, but when the rains are late it becomes even MORE brutal as the water supplies run low and the land turns to dust. They have my sympathy during any electrical outages!
 

The Mountain

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You couldn't pay me enough to be in large swaths of India in the summer even WITH electricity! A lot of folks in the U.S. don't have a clue what that kind of heat is like. The humidity is awful when the summer monsoon rains come, but when the rains are late it becomes even MORE brutal as the water supplies run low and the land turns to dust. They have my sympathy during any electrical outages!

Actually, where I am isn't all that bad. During the "Summer" from late March through the beginning of June, temps and humidity are roughly comparable to Texas in June-July. Towards late May and June, the number of thunderstorms starts increasing, and the humidity edges up just a bit. Then, when the monsoon hits in early July, temps drop into the low 80s to low 90s at most. Humidity is higher, but the higher it is, generally the cooler it is as well. Today, for example, it was in the mid-70s in the morning, and has been overcast all day, so temps wont break 90.

Northwest India is the worst. Its a desert, so "summer" temps regulary pass 115. The monsoon there is not as heavy either, so it can get uncomfortable. Delhi is on the eastern edge of that region, so the summer is quite hot, and it can easily get past 110. The monsoon does cool them down quite a bit.

As an adjunct, winter where I am means clear, dry days with lows in the 50s and highs in the low 70s.
 

Red Baron

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Despite assurances from yesterday, the grid appears to be totally unstable in India. Serious issues are starting to be reported.

Fair Use Cited
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India hit by second huge power outage, this one larger than before

By Harmeet Shah Singh, CNN
updated 8:23 AM EDT, Tue July 31, 2012

New Delhi (CNN) -- India suffered its second huge, crippling power failure in two days Tuesday, depriving as much as half of the vast and populous country, or up to 600 million people, of electricity and disrupting transport networks.

The first power grid collapse, on Monday, was the country's worst blackout in a decade. It affected seven states in northern India that are home to more than 350 million people.

But Tuesday's failure was even larger, hitting eastern and northeastern areas as well.

Both blackouts cut power in the Indian capital, New Delhi.

India blackout affects 350 million people The power companies that operate the affected electricity grids reported Tuesday's collapse on their websites.

With about 1.2 billion people, India has the second-highest population of any country, behind China.

At least 300 trains have been held up in the affected regions, said Anil Kumar Saxena, a spokesman for Indian Railways.

The two consecutive days of disruption are embarrassing for India, a nation growing in international stature and the third-largest Asian economy.

The companies said they were working to restore the power supply. It was not immediately clear whether the blackouts were partial or total in the different regions.

Monday's grid failure struck in the early morning. Residents spent the rest of the night drenched in sweat amid humid weather, and many backup power systems had run out by daybreak. Power was partially restored after about six hours, authorities said.

That blackout left passengers stranded at train stations, and signal failures caused traffic snarls that choked the Indian capital's already congested roads during office hours.

Indians, however, have not been strangers to power cuts, which become more common during the summer when demand shoots up.

The Indian power minister, Sushilkumar Shinde, has ordered an investigation into Monday's outage. He said the last time that an entire grid failed in north India was 10 years ago.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/31/world/asia/india-blackout/index.html
 

Red Baron

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My gut tells me to keep an eye on this story. There are many potential ramifications.

Despite all the happy talk yesterday it is becoming obvious that India is not fully in control of their power grid.

Various regions are unwilling or unable to coordinate limited energy allocations and are willing to damage the grid to ensure energy for their own area. Now half the country went dark.

This will put an extreme strain on equipment due to overloading and transients. Every outage has the potential to inflict serious damage to vital interconnected systems.

Dark Start/Black Start scenarios are not to be trifled with. Even the most modern and robust power grids never wish to get into the situation India is now in.

I would be very, very wary of any "official" government or media proclamations made today. Talk is very cheap during this type of situation.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Plenty of nuclear weapons but very few nuclear power plants.
Less than 3% of India's electric power is nuclear fueled.

India has very little Uranium but does have Thorium.
Thorium reactors are much safer than Uranium. They can be completely shut down in a matter of a couple of hours. They don't contain large amounts of highly radioactive material. They cannot be used for weapons development.
Fortunately India has a large supply of thorium (so does almost every country). They are one of a very few countries pouring a lot of money into getting thorium power reactors up and running.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Dennis may not have had the percentages right, but India's population use the rivers for everything from taking a crap, to washing themselves and their clothes to being a disposal for dead bodies. It is amazing there is not more disease as a result of these practices.

Warning very graphic - dead bodies in river,people washin a short distance away, dogs scavenging.
 

Red Baron

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I would take much of the following information with a grain of salt, Remember everything was going to be Peachee Keen yesterday,

Fair Use Cited
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India | Updated Jul 31, 2012 at 06:20pm IST

Live: Northern, Eastern grids restored partially

New Delhi: Updates: Union Power Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde has put the blame of the grid failure on the states that have been over drawing power. He said, "We had warned several states about overdrawing of power. So we had to face second grid failure in less than 24 hours."

He also warned the states against overdrawing electricity above their limits, saying, "If states overdraw from their regular quota, they will be penalised."

Talking about the power restoration, Shinde said that while 44 per cent had been restored in north, in east it was 35 per cent. The situation is best in North East with 100 per cent power restoration.

In the national capital, Shinde said, that essential services were now back on track.

- All trapped miners evacuated from Asansol mines.

- As many as 200 coal miners working at the ECL mines of Sodepur and Kunustoria in Asansol are stuck as the electricity operated pulley shafts are not working because of the grid failure.

- Power Grid Corporation of India Ltd chairman R K Nayak has said that the problem is difficult to be located as it is a complex network. (Wow, that really inspires confidence, doesn't it? RB)

He further said that some sections are creating problems due to over drawing of power, but the glitch would plugged by night. He said that 20 per cent power supply has been restored so far. According to Nayak 20 states have been affected - nine in North, four in East and seven in the North-East.

Nayak, however, said he could not give any assurance without analysing all the details.

- Narendra Modi tweets: Pradhan Mantri ji, 60 crore people and 19 states are in darkness. Country wants to know is there any coalition dharma you are following here too?

- Mamata blames Centre for Grid failure but says will work with Centre to get past the crisis.

- Chief Minister of West Bengal Mamata Banerjee announces a holiday in the state to enable people to reach their homes safely in the wake of Eastern Grid failure.

- Power restored in the NDMC area and the Delhi Metro; Power restored to hospitals as well; Power restored through Delhi's own production; A little bit of normalisation can be seen in northern grid as well.

- Power restored in some parts of Odisha by getting power from the Southern Grid and the state hydro power.

- Partial services restored on all Delhi Metro lines with a frequency of ten minutes, to begin with, from 1450 hrs: Delhi Metro

- Delhi traffic signals not working. Delhi Traffic Police trying to regulate manually, maximum deployment on major points.

- Traffic heavy on Ring Road, ITO, Bagga Link, Outer Circle Connaught Place.

- The core issue is nothing but indiscipline: Anil Razdan, ex-power secretary

- Train movement on Delhi-Mathura rail route has begun.

- Partial metro services restored in all metro lines.

- Delhi Metro says power partially restored, train services to resume soon: Sources

- Power supply has been completely restored: Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Hospital

- East India 20 per cent power restored, North East 50 per cent power restored; Mizoram, Manipur, Tripura completely back to normalcy: Sources

- Delhi-Howrah rail route partially restored: CPRO Railways

- Power partially restored in East and North East: sources

- 3000MW overdrawn from the eastern grid, demand strict punishment for overdrawing: Sushil Kumar Shinde

- Wrong to allege that UP is overdrawing power, says UP Power Corporation CMD AP Mishra.

- Bhakra Nangal plant has been started and we are drawing hydel power for the time being for Punjab: Sushil Kumar Shinde

- Western Grid not impacted: Western Grid General Manger

- North Eastern Grid also affected, say officials.

- Kolkata Metro running normal, as supply comes from CAC power supply: Pratyush, DGM of Kolkata Metro.

- We will try to restore services of Delhi Metro and the Railways first: Sushil Kumar Shinde

- South Eastern Railways: Four divisions including Kharargpur, Chakradharpur, Ranchi and Agra are affected. Since South Eastern Railways is completely electrified and not dependent on diesel power, the situation is really bad in this region.

- Eighty passenger trains of South Eastern Railways stranded.

- Fourteen trains in Agra Division stranded.

- States affected: Jammu and Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh, Punjab, Uttarakhand, Haryana, Delhi, Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan, West Bengal, Jharkhand, Odisha, Assam and Sikkim.

- Hydel power giving power to Punjab: Power Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde

- Trying to make alternate arrangements: Shinde

- Almost 500 trains of the Indian Railways stuck.

- Six zones including Northern Railways, Eastern Railways, North Central Railways affected: Anil Saxena, CPRO Railways

- Train services halted in Asansol, Sealdah, Howrah divisions in West Bengal after failure of Eastern grid at 1:00 PM: Railways.

- Delhi Police advisory to avoid Connaught Place area.

- Central Electricity Regulatory Commission issued an order on July 30 to curb overdrawing by Northern Grid member states.

- All heads of State Power Transmission Companies of Northern Grid summoned on August 14.

- The states who have been held responsible for maximum over-drawing are Uttar Pradesh (average daily over-drawing by 26 million units), Haryana (average daily over-drawing by 13 million units), Punjab (average daily over-drawing by 5.2 million units).

- Chaos on roads in Delhi with the metro rails and the traffic lights not working.

- Additional Secretary, Power, has reached the Power Monitoring Centre.

- LNJP Hospital in Delhi says they are not facing any powercut at the moment. Other hospitals like AIIMS and Safdarjung say they have enough power back up for the time being.

- Power grid statement says all essential services will be restored in next two hours.

- Narora Atomic Power Station in Bulandshahr in Uttar Pradesh is the only power plant that is working.

- Air services unaffected, flights on time from Delhi.

- DMRC officials have also asked government if hydel project in Bhutan can be used again today to run essential services.

- WB Power Secretary says no power likely till late night.

- Bokaro steel plant will have to be shut down if the power crisis continues.

- CPRO Northern Railways says alternative arrangements like diesel power are being considered.

- CPRO Northern Railways says about 100 trains are affected. Worst affected sections include the Ambala-Palwal and the Ghaziabad-Mugalsarai sections.

- 100 Megawatt of emergency power is being given to VVIP areas.

- Hospitals across the north and east in darkness. All government hospitals have switched to in-house power back-up. ICUs can be operated comfortably for few hours at least. (Then what happens Sparky? RB)

- Work on to provide more emergency power

- Actual location of the fault is still not known (Flying by the seat of their pants. RB)

- DMRC is refunding the passengers and evacuating them

For the second time in two days, half of India plunged into darkness after the Northern and the Eastern Grids collapsed, affecting all seven states in the north and the states of Sikkim, Assam, West Bengal, Bihar, Orissa and Jharkhand in the North East and East.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/north-east-india-powerless-grids-collapse/276791-3.html
 

TheRevelator

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My gut tells me to keep an eye on this story. There are many potential ramifications.

Despite all the happy talk yesterday it is becoming obvious that India is not fully in control of their power grid.
Not necessarily true. There've been stories of a large cosmic burst that occurred yesterday .. one that was literally 'off the charts' .. which could certainly bring down India's (or anyone's) power grid. Check out the youtube video below.

No other stations reported such an event .. which could mean either 1. they did record it but chose to not report it or, 2. it was an error with the Univ of Delaware eqpt.

In any event its highly coincidental.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNqIqKZbsTQ&feature=player_embedded
 

Red Baron

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Not necessarily true. There've been stories of a large cosmic burst that occurred yesterday .. one that was literally 'off the charts' .. which could certainly bring down India's (or anyone's) power grid. Check out the youtube video below.

No other stations reported such an event .. which could mean either 1. they did record it but chose to not report it or, 2. it was an error with the Univ of Delaware eqpt.

In any event its highly coincidental.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNqIqKZbsTQ&feature=player_embedded

Lets try to stay on topic unless you have some evidence other than a YouTube video.

This is a Breaking news thread and it is not the time for unfounded speculation.
 

almost ready

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"But any connection to the grid remains a luxury for many. One-third of India's households do not even have electricity to power a light bulb, according to last year's census."

this quote has been pulled from the London Telegraph story this morning - must have offended someone. Thus, Dennis' requirement that we copy the articles is proven again. I was going from another website to C&P this from the original article and it's gone...LOL

Just so you know, there is a huge effort underway to light up India using small, independent solar units. Many homes that have no connection to the grid do have light, from their own sources. I suspect that just as many 3rd world countries have jumped to wireless phones without passing through the copper-using wire phone grid, the rest of India and much of the 3rd world will do the same.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
From the India Express News

Power grid fails again; blackout blankets half of India



Agencies : New Delhi, Tue Jul 31 2012, 13:54 hrs


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The country faced a major power crisis for the second consecutive day today as three grids serving Northern, Eastern and North-Eastern regions failed this afternoon, leading to 200 coal miners getting trapped in West Bengal and throwing normal life out of gear in 22 states.
As the grids collapsed around 1 PM, miners in Eastern Coalfields got trapped in Sodepur and Satgram in Burdwan districts of West Bengal, according to officials who said rescue efforts are on.
In Delhi, Metro commuters were trapped inside the tunnels for sometime as trains came to a halt as electricity supplies got snapped.
The Centre blamed overdrawal by states in the Eastern region for today's grid collapse. Power Grid Corp promised normalcy would be restored by 7 PM.
The states affected included Delhi, Uttar Pradesh, Haryana, West Bengal, Punjab, Jammu & Kashmir, Odisha, Bihar, Rajasthan and Assam and Union Territory of Chandigarh, covering more than half of the population.
In Kolkata, Metro Rail services were unaffected, according to state Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee. The state government declared holiday in its offices after 3 PM.
The Railways network across major parts of the country was among the worst hit services, as trains, other than those running on diesel engine, stopped midway.
Assam witnessed large-scale power cuts throughout the state. In Orissa also, train services were hit.
The Northern Grid, which collapsed yesterday and was restored after 15 hours, again tripped today. The Eastern and North-Eastern transmission lines too failed this afternoon, worsening the power situation in the country when it is facing drought-like situation in most parts.
"Some sections are creating problems by overdrawing power," Power Grid CMD R N Nayak said.
This is probably the first time that three grids have collapsed simultaneously,
When asked about the reasons for the failure of grids, Shinde said some states are drawing electricity over and above their limits. "This was creating problems," the minister said.
"This morning only, I was told (by officials) that about 3,000 MW extra power has been over drawn from the Eastern Grid. We have given the direction to either stop it (over drawal) or take action against them," he added.
"Grid incident occurred at 13:00 hours affecting the Northern Grid, Eastern Grid and North Eastern Grid," National Load Despatch Centre (NLDC) said. The authorities began to restore power for essential services on a priority basis at around 1500 hours in the National Capital and other states.
India has five electricity grids -- Northern, Eastern, North Eastern, Southern and Western. All of them are inter-connected, except the Southern grid.
All the grids are being run by the state-owned Power Grid Corporation, which operates more than 95,000 circuit km of transmission lines.
One circuit km refers to one kilometre of electrical transmission line.
The authorities began restoring power to essential services at around 1500 hours, pursuant to which many services including Delhi Metro resumed operations. Services at airports and hospitals remained largely unaffected due to backup electricity available with them.
Nearly 300 trains came to a grinding halt at various places due to the grids' failure, including on the busy Delhi-Howrah route. The Metro services in Kolkata were also affected, while the West Bengal government asked the employees to leave early for home in the wake of power crisis.
Narendra Modi takes potshots at 'powerless' Centre
Ahmedabad, Jul 31 (PTI) Massive power failure in Northern and Eastern India over the last two days has given ammunition to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi to attack the Congress-led UPA Government at the Centre today.
The BJP stalwart today took potshots at Prime Minister Manmohan Singh over the blackout which affected half of India.
"With poor economic management, UPA has emptied pockets of common man, kept stomachs hungry with inflation & today pushed them into darkness!," Modi wrote on twitter.
"Pradhan Mantri ji, 60 crore people & 19 states are in darkness. Country wants to know is there any coalition dharma you are following here too?," he tweeted, apparently making a reference to the Prime Minister often citing "coalition constraints" for slow decision-making process.
The Northern and Eastern Grids tripped today, leading to power failure in several states, affecting normal life there.
Power supply was disrupted in Delhi, Uttar Pradesh, Haryana, West Bengal, Assam and Punjab, among other states.
Normal power situation in most cities by 7 pm: Power Grid
New Delhi: Power supply will be restored by 7 PM in most of the major cities hit by grid failure, Power Grid Corp chief R N Nayak said today.
In most of the major cities and towns electricity would be restored by 7-7:30 PM, Nayak told reporters giving an update on power situation.
State-run Power Grid Corporation of India, which controls the country's transmission network, said that situation across the country is expected to be normal by midnight.
"We are trying to restore (power to normalcy) all over the country by midnight," Nayak said.
Pushing more than half of the country's population into power crisis, three major transmission grids – Northern, Eastern and North Eastern -- collapsed by 1300 hrs.
At present, the Northern Grid is getting power from Gwalior and Agra substations as well as from three hydel projects -- Tehri and Vishnu Prayag in Uttarakhand and Nathpa Jhakri plant in Himachal Pradesh, he said.
According to Nayak, about 9,000 to 10,000 MW have been restored so far across all the three regions, where is demand is around 55,000 MW.
When asked about the possible reasons for the grids' failures, Nayak said, "Some sections might have caused tripping but it is difficult to give you anything at this time. We are trying to fix the problem".
Except for few areas in Kolkata and Delhi, and Narora (Uttar Pradesh), the entire regions were affected, he said.
At the time of failure, Northern Grid's demand was about 32,400 MW, Eastern Grid (12,000 MW) and North Eastern Grid (1,100 MW), respectively.
Currently, Nayak pointed out that 17 to 20 per cent power has been restored in the Northern Grid while it is around 20 per cent in the Eastern Grid. About 50 per cent has been restored in the North Eastern Grid.
Grid collapse hits eastern region
Kolkata: The eastern and northeastern regional grids collapsed today resulting in an unprecedented situation with power snapped in the states of West Bengal, Bihar, Jharkhand, Odisha, Assam and Sikkim.
The grid failure severely affected train services in West Bengal, Bihar, Jharkhand, Odisha and Assam inconveniencing lakhs of suburban and long-distance passengers.
The West Bengal government declared a holiday in its offices after 3:00 PM to enable employees to return home early, especially those who commute by train.
Metro Rail services in Kolkata and the N S C Bose International Airport were, however, normal.
Around 200 miners were stuck in four underground mines of ECL in Burdwan district, but were being evacuated with restoration of power, ECL sources said.
Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee said it might take 10 to 12 hours for restoration of normal power supply and that transport arrangements were being made for people to return home by bus and lorry.
"The eastern grid collapsed at 1:00 PM. It is a catastrophic power disaster. There is no power in any district in the state," Power Minister Manish Gupta said.
On the reason for the failure, the minister said, "Such a catastrophe can happen in case of excess drawal of power illegally from the grid by a state."
He said the Central government should ensure that states maintained discipline.
"We are restarting generation at the state-owned Bandel and Kolaghat power plants," he said, adding it will take some more time to restart power in other plants.
In Bihar, state capital Patna went totally without power and work was paralysed at the secretariat. Officials worked using lamps and emergency set ups.
East Central Railway (ECR) Chief Public Relations Officer Amitabh Prabhakar said that more than 30 trains, including 18 mail and express and over 48 goods trains were stranded at various places since 1:00 PM.
In Odisha, power at the state secretariat and buildings housing important government offices was restored within an hour, a senior official said.
Train services in the state were hit barring western areas like Sambalpur, Rourkela, Jharsuguda, Bargarh and Bolangir, where there was no disruption in power supply, official sources said.
In Assam, State Load Despatch Centre (ASLDC) Executive Engineer Ashok Saikia told PTI, "All of a sudden, there was heavy load and power frequency came down from the normal 49.9 per cent to 38.34 per cent leading to the collapse of the grid."
The collapse led to large-scale power cuts throughout the state, but the situation was likely to improve with additional power inputs from Samaguri, Kathalguri and Namrup Thermal Power Plants which were unaffected by the grid failure, he said.
"We have already restored power in some areas of Guwahati and in the state by offloading power in certain areas," Saikia said.
In Jharkhand, DVC's Chief Engineer (Chandrapura unit) R Basuri said several units were hit following failure of North-East Grid section, resulting in power breakdown in many parts of the state.
Grid failure: West Bengal govt declares holiday
Kolkata: The West Bengal government today declared a holiday in its offices after 3:00 PM following the grid failure to enable employees to return home early, especially those who commute by train.
"We have taken a decision to declare a holiday in state government offices after 3:00 PM so that the employees can return home early in the absence of trains which are not running due to power failure," Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee told reporters at Writers' Buildings.
She said private offices were also requested to declare a holiday similarly in the interest of employees.
Stating that it might take 10 to 12 hours for restoration of normal power supply, she asked TV channels not to create panic over the issue.
Banerjee said she held an emergency meeting and spoke to the Railways to restart normal services within two to three hours and to see if trains could be run with diesel engines in the suburban sections.
The chief minister said Metro Rail services in Kolkata were unaffected.
Transport arrangements were being arranged for people by bus and lorry, she said.
Banerjee said the state government was not responsible for the power failure and that it was the fallout of the power outage in the northern grid.
"The crisis started from northern India with the failure of the mother grid and after the trippings there, a complex situation developed which impacted the eastern grid affecting all parts of the state, besides Bihar and Orissa," she said.She said that a monitoring committee was formed led by private power utility, CESC limited.
 

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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Well, this one *did* hit us, though the effect was sporadic. There was a 3-hour outage earlier in the day, but we've had longer outages in the past that had nothing to do with the national grid, so there wasn't much alarm. At the moment, we're experiencing low voltage; we're probably getting about 180V instead of the 220V we should have. As with the outage yesterday, the biggest havoc was wreaked with the railway, which has numerous trains stranded by signal outages and by other trains immobilized inside cities (where they use overhead power instead of the locomotive).

The power minister, Shinde, has been called to account by parliament, and has also been given the post of Home Minister in addition to his current portfolio of Power. This is likely to be a prelude to being relieved of the Power ministry. In turn, Shinde has laid blame for the latest outage on the Prime Minister himself, saying that Singh has been looking the other way about states overdrawing power as a sop to political factions, resulting in those states not taking the Power Ministry directives during the shortage seriously.

Again, this is, as was yesterday's outage, much more due to political shenanigans and a lack of proper capacity planning (Indians by their own admission suck at planning for the future), than it is due to a crappy power infrastructure. Actually the infrastructure itself is pretty robust, as long as no one is putting huge strains on it; that it can stay up as much as it does despite running at about 110% draw is testament to that.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Plenty of nuclear weapons but very few nuclear power plants.
Less than 3% of India's electric power is nuclear fueled.

India has very little Uranium but does have Thorium.
Thorium reactors are much safer than Uranium. They can be completely shut down in a matter of a couple of hours. They don't contain large amounts of highly radioactive material. They cannot be used for weapons development.
Fortunately India has a large supply of thorium (so does almost every country). They are one of a very few countries pouring a lot of money into getting thorium power reactors up and running.

Every thing you have said is true but like us they have choose Uranium so they could have the bomb. They have 26 thorium reactors on the drawing board for maybe 3 years now. I don't think we are serious about one. As a side note Fuki would never be the problem it is if they were using a Thorium reactor at that site or even if they were burning up their spent fuel rods with thorium. We sold thorium in the early 60's not for very much and then were told thorium sales would halt do to the demand for the bomb. Our thorium is about half rare earths. Who wants that stuff anyway. Stupid is as stupid does.
 

DrBulldog

Inactive
Blackouts, grid collapes, Coming to America. Only reason it has not nation wide is because we have lost our factories.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Keeping over a billion person grid up is different than a 350 million person grid.
The same problems are going to hit here soon too as our infrastucture continues to degrade.

I believe one of the articles was saying many people were stealing power. India's governmental corruption is legendary. Pay a little money and you can get just about anything or have an official turn the other way while you illegally steal power.
 
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homecanner1

Veteran Member
Fascinating discussionon about it from a reporter by phone on BBC Newshour this morning (after they spent 20 solid minutes on the Chinese teenage swimmer debates) Caller said it was triggered by excessive irrigation pumps in the north where they are needing water for the growing season. This unusual water demand in turn put pressure on everything else and cascaded the system. Interesting if true. Are they experiencing similar drought stresses too? Maybe Mountain can tell us more. But they are not a nation really set up for American style agricultural production. What will be the camel straw that could trip our grid?
 

MichelleDigsArrows

Can you dig it !
Hello

I do not pop in that much.. But I am actually in contact with someone in india.. been chattering about this a little.. ( He is my website guru )
Here are some of his quotes:"

""""""""""""""""""" thousands of worker under the mine! ( I think he is telling me that there are thousands of workers stuck in the mine )))
they went underground for coal and lift stopped....this is absolutely mess here. we are used to.indian govt such a crap!!! """"""
""""'this is not crazy ...we are used to power cut.but this is massive"""
"""" this happened due to the some officials who draw more powers for their states beyond permission.
now before solving the issue, they are quarrelling among themselves. theya re the top most people in govt.
they are actually bullshit." .... """"

-Michelle
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
It's funny. The power outage is nowhere near the main news story in the Indian Express News or the India Today news. Its like it hardly ever happened.
Are they just ignoring it?
 

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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Another update: As I predicted, the power minister lost his portfolio, after being given Home Ministry. As someone upthread noted, the root cause of the overdraw was primarily farmers needing extra power to run irrigation, as the monsoon has been a bit light in the early stages. The problem is still political, as it was the various power ministers' responsibility not to let power demand get too high (they should have ordered load shedding to keep from drawing from the national grid). There are signs that the monsoon is strengthening now, so the demand may drop, not just from irrigation pumps, but also lower demand from air conditioning, which is not needed as much when the rains are available to keep things cool. Yes, a lot of people were stuck in various places, including that mine that was mentioned. All have been able to get out, as power was restored within hours. And yes, it was all over the news here, at least for a while. By late evening, the story had moved to the bottom of the list as other topics took over.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Let me know Friday if we have seen a Day 3 AND a Day 4....THEN will they be FLIRTING with the POSSIBILITY of a full grid failure....which if it WERE to happen would likely need less than 2 weeks to rectify (after shooting the top politicians)..I would expect......IF they fail reasonably softly. (clearly this is my never to be humble opinion....)
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Update at 11:30 PM ET

India's Power Network Breaks Down

Second Huge Blackout This Week Affects Area of 680 Million People, Embarrassing Nation by Exposing Ramshackle Grid

By AMOL SHARMA, SAURABH CHATURVEDI and SANTANU CHOUDHURY

Much of India's electricity supply network collapsed Tuesday in the country's second major outage in two days, affecting more than 680 million people-double the population of the U.S.-and causing business losses estimated to run into the hundreds of millions of dollars. Amol Sharma has details on The News Hub from New Delhi.



NEW DELHI—India suffered the world's biggest-ever power outage Tuesday as transmission networks serving areas inhabited by 680 million collapsed, putting the nation's ramshackle infrastructure on stark display.
The grid failure, the second massive blackout in as many days, happened around 1 p.m. local time and affected 18 states and two union territories in north and eastern India, grinding trains across large swaths of the country to a halt, forcing thousands of hospitals and factories to operate on generators, temporarily stranding hundreds of coal miners underground and causing losses to businesses estimated in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
The government said power was about 80% restored in north India by late Tuesday evening.
Access to electricity is far from universal in India, and Indians are accustomed to regular power outages in particular neighborhoods or sections of cities. Many businesses and farmers see backup diesel-run generators as an absolute necessity. Still, Tuesday's massive breakdown was unprecedented, impacting a population larger than the U.S., Brazil and Russia combined.
For a nation that sees itself as an emerging global power, the event was a huge embarrassment. It put on vivid display, for Indians and the world, how rickety the country's basic infrastructure is. And it could further tarnish the perception of India among foreign companies who have long viewed the country's outdated roads, ports and power networks as major drawbacks of doing business here.
The power outage wreaked havoc on businesses and travelers. About 200 trains stopped operating for several hours. Metro rail services in the national capital of New Delhi and its suburbs were halted. About 270 miners were stuck in two underground coal mines in eastern India as elevators stopped working. All had been rescued by late Tuesday.
At the Nigambodh Ghat, a New Delhi crematorium, three dead bodies were cremated using wood after the power failure, an official at the crematorium said. In India, Hindus generally try to cremate bodies the same day a person dies if the death occurs before dusk, and furnaces generally run on electricity.
The All-India Institute of Medical Sciences, one of Delhi's main state-run hospitals, ran its diesel generators for almost two hours.
A tea plantation in the foothills of the Himalayas, Kailashpur Tea Estate, said it had to give its generators a rest every few hours, stalling production. And since the generators don't supply power to street lights on the estate, which is surrounded by forests, the power outages raised some specific concerns. "Leopards and elephants often wander into the plantation," said senior manager Manas Bhattacharya. "About three months ago, two female workers were mauled by a leopard on the estate. Wild elephants are everyday visitors."
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Associated Press Passengers wait for a stalled train to move in New Delhi. A second big blackout in as many days left areas of India inhabited by 680 million people without power for much of Tuesday.



In the western city of Jaipur, Swati Jain, co-founder of the Happy Store, which sells handicrafts there, said there was no electricity between 11 a.m. and around 4 p.m. It was "awfully bad," said Ms. Jain, adding that even during peak summer hours, locals are used to only two-hour power cuts at most.
The tiny Himalayan kingdom of Bhutan, which borders India, came to its much larger neighbor's aid this week, releasing additional power from its hydroelectric plants while India worked to restore its networks to full capacity.
The government Tuesday even extended the deadline for filing of income-tax returns by a month to Aug. 31, citing "reports of disturbance of general life caused due to failure of power," among other reasons.
The blackout on Tuesday was the largest known blackout in history in terms of the population affected, according to an estimate by the Associated Press. The second-worst was India's outage Monday, which affected a population of 370 million followed by a 2005 outage in Indonesia which left almost 100 million in the dark, the AP said.
The cause of the outages will be investigated by a three-member, government-appointed committee.
Capping a surreal day when the power outage dominated cable news channels—which continued to broadcast for the benefit of those who still had power—Prime Minister Manmohan Singh gave an effective promotion to Power Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde, on whose watch the blackouts have occurred. Mr. Shinde was named the next home minister, the nation's top security official and one of the Cabinet's most prominent posts. He will replace P. Chidambaram, who will take on the post of finance minister; Prime Minister Singh had been in charge of finance.
Corporate Affairs Minister Veerappa Moily will take over the power portfolio. Analysts said the cabinet shuffle had been in the works and its timing was coincidental.
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Associated Press A Kolkata barber cut a customer's hair by candlelight Tuesday as India's power grid suffered a second massive power outage in as many days, this one affecting half the country's population and further showing the inadequacy of efforts to boost infrastructure.



The Congress Party-led national government headed by Prime Minister Singh is already fighting to dispel the perception that it is mismanaging the country's economy and failing to follow through on promises to carry out big-ticket reforms, including promises to spend $1 trillion on infrastructure projects by 2017. Gross-domestic-product growth is expected to slow to 6.5% in this fiscal year, the central bank said Tuesday.
A communications adviser for Mr. Singh, Pankaj Pachauri, said the prime minister had spoken to Mr. Shinde, the current power minister, and "asked him to urgently look into the matter."
The blackout adds to an array of woes in India's crisis-ridden power sector. Generous power subsidies for farmers and politicians' reluctance to raise electricity rates for consumers have left state utilities with billions of dollars of accumulated losses. Shortages of fuels including coal and natural gas have forced power plants to run well below capacity. Nuclear-power projects have been stalled by environmental protests and equipment vendors' concerns about India's accident-liability regulations.
The upshot is that many parts of India suffer chronic power shortages. In several large states, electricity demand outstrips supply at peak hours by more than 12%. Many rural hamlets still have no electricity at all. The government has failed to carry out its own relatively modest plans: It was only able to meet 64% of its target of adding roughly 78,000 megawatts of electricity generation in the five years through 2012. In recent years, China has added six times more power than India to its electricity grid annually.
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Associated Press A commuter walked past an information board at a train station in New Delhi, Monday.



The outage highlighted another problem that policy makers must address: Some states are drawing more power from the national grid than they have indicated they will use in the daily forecasts they provide to the government. Officials said they're investigating whether such overdraws were responsible for initiating the cascading outages. Although states are fined when they don't stick to their plans, experts say the penalties aren't a deterrent. "The penalties need to go up—they aren't sufficient to stop this undisciplined behavior," said Kameswara Rao, head of the power and utilities practice at PricewaterhouseCoopers India.
Mr. Rao said Indian policy makers didn't anticipate how quickly electricity demand would rise in the past few years as economic growth has expanded the ranks of the middle class and created more consumers of power-hungry modern appliances like air-conditioners. He said state transmission utilities badly need investment and skilled manpower to cope with grid problems and provide protections against massive outages.
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Some analysts said public outrage over the widespread outages may force Prime Minister Singh's government to tackle reforms in the power sector.
"Unless this government wants to commit political suicide, there's no way they can ignore this," said Abhey Yograj, managing director of Tecnova, a consulting firm that advises foreign companies on India. He said the government must not only deal with the immediate crisis–the failure of the grid–but the underlying issue of chronic shortages in electricity generation, which means boosting production and imports of fuels for power plants and doing away with counterproductive energy subsidies.
The Congress-led government's leading opposition, the Bharatiya Janata Party, seized on this week's blackouts. "This is a manifestation of mismanagement," party spokesman Prakash Javadekar told reporters. "The prime minister owes an answer to the people of this country."
Industry critics were equally tough on the government after the back-to-back days of outages. "The developments of yesterday and today have created a huge dent in the country's reputation that is most unfortunate," said Chandrajit Banerjee, the head of the Confederation of Indian Industry, a leading trade group, in a statement.
Rabindra Nath Nayak, chairman of state-run Power Grid Corp. of India Ltd., said it would take some time for the government to ascertain the reason for the power failure. The panel investigating the incident is expected to turn in its report in two weeks. Mr. Nayak said "tripping at several interconnectivity points of the [northern] grid could have had a cascading effect".
"Even before we could figure out the reason for yesterday's failure, we had more grid failures today," he said. Power Grid operates India's five regional grids comprising more than 62,000 miles of electricity transmission lines.
 
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