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gdpetti

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Romney Caught Lying by SEC Forms: He was CEO, President, Chairman and Owner of Bain When He Claims He Wasn't

Mark Karlin
Buzzflash
Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:37 CDT

If running a successful campaign is largely keeping your opponent on the defensive, then Mitt Romney is in the political dog house - and it's his own fault, because he lied.

Let's step back up a second. The Obama campaign ran ads a short time ago and accused Romney of investing in firms that resulted in outsourcing jobs and increasing unemployment in the US. Romney claimed he was not responsible for his Bain vulture capital firm when this activity was taking place because he had left the company.

However, the Boston Globe revealed today (based on earlier stories in Talking Points Memo and Mother Jones):

Government documents filed by Mitt Romney and Bain Capital say Romney remained chief executive and chairman of the firm three years beyond the date he said he ceded control, even creating five new investment partnerships during that time.

Romney has said he left Bain in 1999 to lead the winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, ending his role in the company. But public Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) documents filed later by Bain Capital state he remained the firm's "sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president."

Also, a Massachusetts financial disclosure form Romney filed in 2003 states that he still owned 100 percent of Bain Capital in 2002. And Romney's state financial disclosure forms indicate he earned at least $100,000 as a Bain "executive" in 2001 and 2002, separate from investment earnings.

The timing of Romney's departure from Bain is a key point of contention because he has said his resignation in February 1999 meant he was not responsible for Bain Capital companies that went bankrupt or laid off workers after that date.

This blows a huge credibility hole in the Romney narrative of being a job creator, in addition to his own company's documents contradicting him and leaving little room to conclude anything other than that he lied. It will be legally impossible for him to effectively deny what is stated in SEC documents and Massachusetts state filings, because that could raise the specter of being accused of fraudulent financial reports. FactCheck.org previously implied that such a scenario, filing false government reporting documents, would be a felony.

So Romney is stuck with the now discovered fact that he dissembled when he claimed he didn't have a decision making or controlling relationship with Bain, when in fact he was legally the CEO and sole owner.

In fact, the Boston Globe cited a rebuttal of the Romney campaign's effort to minimize the legally binding filings:

A former SEC commissioner told the Globe that the SEC documents listing Romney as Bain's chief executive between 1999 and 2002 cannot be dismissed so easily.

"You can't say statements filed with the SEC are meaningless. This is a fact in an SEC filing," said Roberta S. Karmel, now a professor at Brooklyn Law School.

"It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to say he was technically in charge on paper but he had nothing to do with Bain's operations," Karmel continued. "Was he getting paid? He's the sole stockholder. Are you telling me he owned the company but had no say in its investments?"

Even before this discovery, the Washington Post had refused to retract a story about Romney's backing of companies outsourcing jobs.

The headline on a July 11 Mother Jones story further backs Romney into a tangled web of deceit on the issue of supporting moving jobs overseas for personal (his firm's) profit: "Romney Invested Millions in Chinese Firm That Profited on US Outsourcing. The GOP candidate decries China poaching US jobs. But at Bain he held a large stake in a Chinese company that did just that."

Given the major league deception that has been disclosed over the last couple of days, it makes you wonder if Romney doesn't finally empathize with Seamus, the dog he put in a crate and latched onto the top of the family van for a long trip to the Romney summer compound in Canada.

Except dogs don't lie.

Hat tip to Truthout's William Rivers Pitt for providing background for this column.

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Just what we need, another psycho in the White House, as if the current programmed puppet isn't bad enough, but if you want to 'pull the rug out' on the Old World Order and replace it with the NWO in an 'efficient' manner, then perhaps a blank slate is best? Problem is that Romney seems like a stupid puppet compared to the CIA 'friend' we have currently. Seems history is repeating itself.
 

Dennis Olson

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Rombama has never been a job creator. As Perry said, he practiced "vulture capitalism." I firmly believe that.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
The company itself says he was not involved in any decisions or control. It took some time for his name to be removed from all the paperwork.


Presidential rivals trade charges of lying, Romney calls for apology over 'felony' remark

Published July 13, 2012
FoxNews.com

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The battle between President Obama and Mitt Romney reached new levels of rancor Thursday, with each campaign accusing the other of lying over Romney's tenure at private-equity firm Bain Capital.
The charges flew at a rapid pace, and by the end of the day the Romney campaign was calling for an apology after a senior Obama campaign official said the Republican presidential candidate may have committed a felony.
Obama official Stephanie Cutter made the claim following a Boston Globe article that said documents show Romney was in charge at Bain for three years longer than he had claimed. Cutter said Romney was either misrepresenting his position at Bain to the Securities and Exchange Commission, "which is a felony," or misrepresenting to the American people.
Romney campaign manager Matt Rhoades issued a blistering statement in response.
"President Obama's campaign hit a new low today when one of its senior advisers made a reckless and unsubstantiated charge to reporters about Mitt Romney that was so over the top that it calls into question the integrity of their entire campaign," Rhoades said. "President Obama ought to apologize for the out-of-control behavior of his staff, which demeans the office he holds. Campaigns are supposed to be hard fought, but statements like those made by Stephanie Cutter belittle the process and the candidate on whose behalf she works."
The challenge capped a frenzied and nasty day on the campaign trail.
Earlier, Romney released a new ad calling Obama dishonest and asking if the American people can "trust him to lead" if he "doesn't tell the truth." The release which accompanied the ad in an email to reporters also cited Obama's "lies and exaggerations."
The ad titled, "No Evidence," was an aggressive rebuttal to Obama's claims that Romney outsourced jobs while at the helm of Bain Capital.
"There was no evidence that Mitt Romney shipped jobs overseas," a narrator says in the ad.
But the Obama campaign pushed back in a statement charging the ad is part of Romney's "big Bain lie."
Relying on the report in the Globe claiming government documents reveal Romney remained CEO of Bain for three years longer than he claimed, the Obama camp statement went on to say the ad is "based on a false premise."
In a filing with the SEC in February 2001, Bain Capital listed Romney as the company's "sole shareholder, sole director, chief executive officer and president." It said Romney's "principal occupation" was as Bain's managing director.
Romney's campaign repeatedly has said Romney had virtually nothing to do with the company's operations after February 1999, when he began work on the troubled 2002 Winter Olympic Games.
Questions about Romney's control at Bain from 1999 to 2001 are important in his bid to oust Obama this fall. That's when the company oversaw investments that either created jobs abroad or filed for bankruptcy. It's also a time during which Romney stated in federal disclosure forms that he was not active in Bain Capital.
Cutter, Obama's deputy campaign manager, said Romney may have committed a felony if he misrepresented his role at Bain on the SEC documents. And if he was running Bain after 1999, Cutter said, Romney hasn't been truthful with the public.
"If that's the case, if he was lying to the American people, then that's a real character and trust issue," she said.
But Romney's campaign issued a statement Thursday from Bain that said Romney "left Bain Capital in February 1999 to run the Olympics and has had absolutely no involvement with the management or investment activities of the firm or with any of its portfolio companies since the day of his departure. Due to the sudden nature of Mr. Romney's departure, he remained the sole stockholder for a time while formal ownership was being documented and transferred to the group of partners who took over management of the firm in 1999. Accordingly, Mr. Romney was reported in various capacities on SEC filings during this period."
J.W. Verrett, an attorney and economics scholar at George Washington University's Mercatus Center, also told Fox News that the original Globe report appeared to "be confused" about the SEC filings.
He noted they refer to "Bain Capital VI," which he described as an investment separate from Bain Capital itself.
"Saying that Governor Romney was the CEO of Bain Capital VI is like saying that I am the CEO of my retirement account ... it's a silly bit of legalese and it doesn't also mean I am CEO of all the companies in which I invest," he said in an email.





Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ey-demands-apology-over-felony/#ixzz20XHe6o00
 

gdpetti

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He owned all the stock, what's not to understand here? C'Mon dude, if he wasn't controlling a company he owned 100% of, then he is even more stupid, ignorant and what???

He's just a mindless WallStreet type puppet vs the CIA friendly Obama type. It really is a question of which hand of the Beast you prefer to be 'tickled' by. Both hands are controlled by the body and it doesn't take us into account in any manner except as sheep do for us. Annual fleecing and later consumption. Simple. There's a much bigger picture going on here and one that is slowly being exposed due to what's coming in a couple of years. If people want to keep their heads in the sands and pretend, so be it, but that won't protect their ass from 'exposure' related illnesses.
 

Grantbo

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If running a successful campaign is largely keeping your opponent on the defensive, then Mitt Romney is in the political dog house - and it's his own fault, because he lied.

Nope, it's the dirty liberals who are lying. They're going to say this as many times as it takes for it to magically become true. SOP
 

Racing22

Crew Chief
Romney Caught Lying by SEC Forms: He was CEO, President, Chairman and Owner of Bain When He Claims He Wasn't

Doesn't that INSTANTLY qualify him for the highest position in the country as President???

Seems to be the natural trend lately, certainly has worked well for the current resident of the WH!!
 

nomadcrna

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This has already been retracted and proven to be false.

WTG to all the sheep who instantly jumped on a biased article and did not bother to research the truth. It takes all of 5 minutes.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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It is an organizational thing. He was not the CEO of "Bain Capital" which was the employing corporation. If you look at the actual legal forms he was the CEO of Bain IV or something along those lines ... Bain Capital and Bain IV existed at the same time. Two separate entities with two separate purposes.

While this does not exonerate Romney completely, it does show that Obama is willing to lie as well as his staff which is something we've all known all along.
 

Jazzdad

Veteran Member
So the liberals think that Romney was capable of running the Olympics and Bain Capital at the same time? The man's got skills and maybe he should be president.

I have a friend that is a majority shareholder and CEO of a company. He took a couple of years off to spend time with his family but never relinquished his titles of CEO and Chairman of the Board because it wasn't necessary. He put the COO in charge and left. Unfortunately, the COO screwed up the company and he had to go back. I can't stand Romney and won't be voting for him but these attacks are pretty lame.
 

Squid

Veteran Member
I expect lies from the water carrying media..

But posting silly lies like this when the world is heading for flames, I mean really. Are you working directly for the DNC or just like show you have no credibility?

If you want to start a debate at least bring a real topic for consideration not just repost the DNC talking points for the day.
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It's probably somebody's error. mayby Romney's, this shouldn't be a big issue unless Romney makes it one by stonewalling.

Seriously, we all thought the guy has some business smarts. I guess not, especially with Mitt going against his father's advise regarding tax return disclosure.
 
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TerryK

TB Fanatic
He owned all the stock, what's not to understand here? C'Mon dude, if he wasn't controlling a company he owned 100% of, then he is even more stupid, ignorant and what???

He's just a mindless WallStreet type puppet vs the CIA friendly Obama type. It really is a question of which hand of the Beast you prefer to be 'tickled' by. Both hands are controlled by the body and it doesn't take us into account in any manner except as sheep do for us. Annual fleecing and later consumption. Simple. There's a much bigger picture going on here and one that is slowly being exposed due to what's coming in a couple of years. If people want to keep their heads in the sands and pretend, so be it, but that won't protect their ass from 'exposure' related illnesses.

Suggest you go back and read some of the latest news stories. You will see your info isn't quite correct.
Can I ask why are you so quick to instantly believe anything released by the Obama info machine, yet don't want to even consider the explanation released by Romneys campaign?
 

tiger13

Veteran Member
Even if you own the company, all the stock etc... Can not you take a leave of absence, to work running the Olympics ..and have nothing to do with the day to day running of said company??? without having to give up ownership of the company? I personally don't see a problem in this. If I was asked to fix the Olympics that is screwed up, and I have a company, do I have to give it up in order to fix a temporary thing? HELL NO! take a leave of absence some one else is running the show there, then, on paper, yes I am still the owner of said company, but I am running the Olympics at the time.
 

the watcher

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Lets call this like it is. When Obama called for Romney's tax records, I would have told him, only when you release you're records.

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Grantbo

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It's probably somebody's error. mayby Romney's, this shouldn't be a big issue unless Romney makes it one by stonewalling.

Seriously, we all thought the guy has some business smarts. I guess not, especially with Mitt going against his father's advise regarding tax return disclosure.

Romney also reiterated his intention to release no further tax returns other than those he filed for 2010 and an estimate for 2011. “I know there will always be calls for more. People always want to get more,” he told CNN. “And you know, we’re putting out what is required, plus more than is required. And those are the two years that people are going to have. And that’s all that’s necessary for people to understand something about my finances.”
 

PghPanther

Has No Life - Lives on TB
when it comes to people in power and their fiancial status ....

I have learned to lean towards trusting those who say
"I can't"....

....rather than those whose say "I can"

Think about it..........
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
‘Foolish’: Romney Surrogate Responsible for Andrea Mitchell Take-Down Goes After Juan Williams

Remember when MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell tried to debate former New Hampshire Governor John Sununu on the accuracy of the Obama campaign’s “outsourcer” attacks on Mitt Romney?
Wasn’t that entertaining? Would you like to see Sununu go two-for-two on pretty much the same subject? If your answer is “yes,” then you’re in luck.
During a Thursday broadcast of Fox News’ “Hannity,” Sununu and “real journalist” Juan Williams got into a heated exchange over Team Obama’s claim that, based on recently-unearthed SEC filings, Romney kinda’-sorta’ might be a felon.
“Can you imagine how dumb this president is introducing the concept of felony into the discourse,” Sununu said, “when this president comes out of Chicago politics, where felony and politics are sometimes a synonym?”
“This is a president whose political training was jowl-to-cheek with politicians like convicted felons like Rod Blagojevich? And this president is dumb enough to introduce the concept of ‘felon’ into the discourse with a guy as clean as Mitt Romney?” he asked.
Juan Williams challenged Sununu’s characterization.
“Governor,” Williams said, “all of that is character assassination and guilt by association.”
“But it’s all true!”
“The fact is,” Williams continued, “what The Boston Globe reported today was that there was the signature of Mitt Romney on SEC documents that said he was running Bain [Capital] after he claims he had left Bain and was not involved in any of the decisions that led to the loss of jobs overseas. That is not legal!”
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“Juan, don’t let your blind loyalty to this president make you look foolish,” Sununu said.
Watch the debate heat up [via Fox News]:
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“Let me explain,” Sununu continued. “When Mitt Romney went to run the Olympics in 1999, it was to prepare the Olympics for 2002. He spent three years, 24/7, running that operation.”
“Unfortunately, this president knows so little about management, that he thinks you can be running something like fixing the Olympic problem — 24/7 — and still be managing Bain. There is no reality to that!” he added.
But Williams persisted:
What’s going on with Mitt Romney? He’s allowing President Obama to define him as a guy who’s secretive, who’s not coming forward, who has apparently deceived the Securities and Exchange Commission about when he was running Bain.
This is not helping Mitt Romney! His campaign should take control of these issues, governor!
“Juan, he did not deceive anybody and if you’re going to be responsible for that kind of a statement, I’m going to remind you about that until your dying days,” Sununu shot back
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
This is their tactic, Accuse then Backoff. Even some TB2K members bought into it

Obama Campaign Backs Off ‘Felony’ Charge

Usually, when a politician attacks a rival, he or she wants the rival to be the one sweating. Unfortunately for President Obama, this is thoroughly unlike the reaction he has received regarding his campaign’s thoroughly unbelievable argument that Mitt Romney is a felon. And, in fact, evidence is beginning to mount that his surrogates, supporters and staff are worried that the attack has gone too far and needs to be walked back.
First, there is the matter of President Obama’s supporters inching away. In this regard, we must look no further than two employeers at Bain Capital (who also happen to be Obama supporters) who told CNN’s John King that the question of when Romney left Bain Capital is a settled matter, and not settled in a way that makes the Obama campaign look good. According to them, Romney really did leave in 1999:

So needless to say, the facts are unequivocally wrong, and even Obama’s supporters at Bain say so. You would expect the campaign and surrogates to retract the statement.
And indeed, one has made noises about doing that. Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell was good enough to go on MSNBC’s Alex Wagner show today to discuss the attacks, and said (with some hesitance) that he thought the attacks on Romney went “a little too far” for comfort:

So that’s a surrogate and two supporters. Will the campaign follow?
First impressions earlier today said “no.” This afternoon, Obama Press Secretary Ben LaBolt was still hammering the idea that the felony charge is fair, to the point that you’d almost think the poor man was defending his own job. From Beltway Confidential:

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Obama campaign press secretary Ben LaBolt today, insisted that questions about whether or not Romney is a felon were “absolutely fair” and demanded that he release his tax returns.
“I think the question is fair, did he misrepresent himself to the SEC when he signed documents saying he was chairman of the board, president and CEO, sole owner, and sole shareholder during that period or did he misrepresent himself to the American people when he said he left Bain during that period?” LaBolt said. “I think that’s absolutely a fair question to raise and he can clear it up by releasing the normal amount of tax returns for a nominee of a major party.”
Now, perceptive readers will note the last sentence regarding release of Romney’s tax returns. And indeed, this was probably the only item still motivating the Obama campaign to keep pushing this attack. Tax returns from Romney could show any number of perfectly legal items that the Obama campaign could still use to attack him for being rich.
But fortunately for Obama, cooler heads appear to have prevailed. Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki, speaking at a press gaggle this afternoon, officially walked back the attack, according to this report from the Daily Kos (emphasis added):
QUESTION: Jen, did Stephanie Cutter go too far by suggesting that Mitt Romney is a — might be a felon in the press call yesterday about the SEC filings, and the date of his employment at Bain?
MS. PSAKI (Obama campaign spokeswoman): Well, Amy, there have been many reports suggesting — we don’t know the answers because Mitt Romney hasn’t released not only his tax returns, he hasn’t released documents around this. Today, he could release his minutes from Bain — from the Bain — or they could release the minutes from the Bain meetings and we could learn more.
What was being raised here is something that was raised externally, which is we don’t know. But if he did violate, if he did mislead the SEC, there could be — that could raise questions, there could be legal questions that are raised about that. We’re not the ones who can answer that. If he didn’t, then he was misleading the American people.
So what we don’t know is the answer to that question, and that’s why we’re eager to see more documents from Mitt Romney and his team.
Not exactly the strongest apology, but we’ll take it. After all, this fiasco has virtually immunized Romney against future pressure to release his tax returns, since the last time it was tried, this happened. We look forward to a campaign without any extra pieces of evidence the Obama campaign could use in their class warfare-motivated assault
 

Publius

On TB every waking moment
They dwell on this enough and coupled with his VP pick it could give Ron Paul the GOP/RNC nomination at Tampa.
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
I'm not a wholehearted Romney supporter, but I think your deliberately not seeing a very logical and very frequently used process in the corporate world.

People go on leave of absence all the time. It's not uncommon at all for them to designate a person to be in charge in their absence. Other times people put their stocks or assets in trust during their performance of duties where there could be construed a conflict of interest.

I'm not saying Romney did any of this, he may be the liar you claim he is, but I'm not willing to call him that just yet, as I know it is entirely possible to do exactly what he has claimed he did.

He owned all the stock, what's not to understand here? C'Mon dude, if he wasn't controlling a company he owned 100% of, then he is even more stupid, ignorant and what???

He's just a mindless WallStreet type puppet vs the CIA friendly Obama type. It really is a question of which hand of the Beast you prefer to be 'tickled' by. Both hands are controlled by the body and it doesn't take us into account in any manner except as sheep do for us. Annual fleecing and later consumption. Simple. There's a much bigger picture going on here and one that is slowly being exposed due to what's coming in a couple of years. If people want to keep their heads in the sands and pretend, so be it, but that won't protect their ass from 'exposure' related illnesses.
 

TECH32

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Vultures feast on the dead. What Bain Capital did was vampire capitalism. He attacked the weak and sucked out the lifeblood.

I am NO fan of Romney, but there's a name for the political philosophy that keeps failing companies afloat just so people can have jobs.




It's called Communism.
 
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