OP-ED The President's Prayer Breakfast Catastrophe

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/02/04/se-cupp-obama-prayer-breakfast-faith-god-jesus/

The President's Prayer Breakfast Catastrophe

If you’ve ever heard this president discuss faith then you know that he is incredibly uneasy with the themes and constructs of American belief, and often manages to slight the faithful just as he’s awkwardly trying to address them.


On the same day President Obama spoke at the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C., The Washington Post published a curious story by Anne E. Kornblut on the role religion plays in the Obama White House.

If we’re to believe Kornblut and the long list of oh-so-helpful unnamed Obama advisers she quotes, God is just all over that place. Case in point:

Some aide sends the president religious passages every morning on his BlackBerry, that come from, according to an unnamed official, “a variety of sources.”

An unnamed adviser says he worships regularly at Camp David.

More unnamed advisers insist he prays privately.

Yet another unnamed senior official says the president is “a prayerful guy.”

There you have it, case closed. The president is, like, totally holy.

The timing of this bizarre non-story is no accident. In the weeks following Scott Brown’s stunning senate victory in Massachusetts, the president has ratcheted up an impressive, albeit totally manufactured, embrace of populist rhetoric. You’re angry? He is too! You hate profligate spending? He does too! You’re mad at Wall Street? So is he!

And nothing complements a good populist screed like a few shout-outs to the Almighty. After all, in times of struggle, what do all those common folk in the square states do? They git out thar’ guns and thar’ religion! So after months of virtual silence about the man upstairs, the president’s spin doctors have undoubtedly assured him it’s time to get back on the God bandwagon.

Never mind that the president skipped last year’s National Day of Prayer, covered up religious insignia at Georgetown, canceled the flyover at “God & Country Day,” and gives regular shout-outs to atheists whenever it is, in fact, least appropriate.

Like today. During his speech at the Prayer Breakfast the president was sure to point out – again – that not everyone in America believes in God. He’s right, of course, but wouldn’t you think that at a prayer breakfast, he’d direct his remarks primarily to the population that prays? The humanist salute to solstice does not, in fact, count as a “prayer.”

While today’s speech was perhaps the president’s most muscular discussion of faith to date, it was rife with incongruities and contradictions that reveal just how incomplete his understanding of American faith actually is, regardless of what Ms. Kornblut tells us an unnamed adviser said.

The worst misstep of today’s speech? When the president said that “God’s grace” is expressed “by Americans of every faith, and no faith, uniting around a common purpose, a higher purpose.”

Uh, no it isn't -- unless my definition of atheism is different than his. Most atheists insist that God’s grace most certainly is not expressed through them, and that there are no “higher” purposes. While we may all come together for “a purpose” – like relief work in Haiti, poverty, AIDS, or world hunger – no atheist I know would consider this God's work.

It’s time the president end this hooey, and give up on his obsessive need to equate belief and non-belief. They are apples and oranges, and every time he does this he sounds less like the scholar he’s supposed to be and more like a petulant child.

But wait, there were other bizarre moments today:

Christ is nowhere to be found: The president is supposedly a Christian, yet there wasn’t a single mention of Christ or Jesus in today’s speech.

God and war: Obama said that God’s grace is expressed through the efforts of our armed forces. Really? Sarah Palin was publicly flayed for suggesting just this when she asked her congregation to pray for the military.

Americans are terrible: The president devoted a considerable portion of his speech to condemning Americans for becoming “absorbed with our abstract arguments, our ideological disputes, our contests for power.” It might have been nice to mention that we are also the most philanthropic country in the world, especially considering that even in our own time of economic struggle, we have generously opened our wallets to help rebuild another devastated nation.

Dissing evangelicals: In throwing a bone to the religious right, Obama doesn’t miss a chance to also insult them. “We see that in many conservative pastors who are helping lead the way to fix our broken immigration system. It’s not what would be expected from them, and yet they recognize, in those immigrant families, the face of God.” He may as well have just called them xenophobic nativists.

And no Obama speech would be complete without a shout-out to the other big guy upstairs – himself. So he closed his Prayer Breakfast speech by congratulating himself for doing such a great job with his Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, just in case you momentarily forgot that 2012 is right around the corner.

All in all, it was actually fairly predictable – if you’ve ever heard this president discuss faith you know that he is incredibly uneasy with the themes and constructs of American belief, and often manages to slight the faithful just as he’s awkwardly trying to address them.

But rest assured, his friends in the liberal press – indeed, the ultimate Tower of Babel – will hail this speech as they do all the rest, and insist it proves he is indeed, as unnamed officials say, “a prayerful man.”

S.E. Cupp is a writer and author. Her forthcoming book “Losing Our Religion: The Liberal Media’s Attack on Christianity,” will be in bookstores in April.
 

denfoote

Inactive
An unnamed adviser says he worships regularly at Camp David.

More unnamed advisers insist he prays privately.

Yet another unnamed senior official says the president is “a prayerful guy.”

I got a buck that says he goes nose to a carpet five times a day and says "Allah Akbar"!!!
 

Maranatha

Redeemed
Pretty much every word out of his mouth is a catastrophe. And denfoote, I wouldn't bet against you.

MARANATHA!
 

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
I know of no Christian, when interviewed about their faith, would refer to the Lord Jesus Christ as "A great teacher and prophet", like he did during his campaign.

The only people who refer to Jesus as a prophet are muslims. No Christian would ever demean what Christ did for them by giving him such a trivial and common title. There is only ONE Jesus Christ.
 

denfoote

Inactive
There is only ONE Jesus Christ.


And his name is Obama.... :kk1: :dvl1:

Why do you think it's called the Obamanation???

Interesting play on words, eh???

Daniel 12:10-12 (New King James Version)

10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.
11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.


Matthew 24:14-16 (New King James Version)

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
The Great Tribulation

15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[a] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Mark 13:13-15 (New King James Version)

13 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
The Great Tribulation

14 “So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[a] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let him who is on the housetop not go down into the house, nor enter to take anything out of his house.

 

undead

Veteran Member
Hussein attended Reverend Wright's "church" - but it's a stretch to call it any such thing.

It was more like 20 years of attending Black Panther's weekly rallies.



:kk1:
 

BadMedicine

Would *I* Lie???
The worst misstep of today’s speech? When the president said that “God’s grace” is expressed “by Americans of every faith, and no faith, uniting around a common purpose, a higher purpose.”

Uh, no it isn't -- unless my definition of atheism is different than his. Most atheists insist that God’s grace most certainly is not expressed through them, and that there are no “higher” purposes. While we may all come together for “a purpose” – like relief work in Haiti, poverty, AIDS, or world hunger – no atheist I know would consider this God's work.

If you believe in god, all powerful, then all work is through him.. the athiests don't have to believe it for it to be true, do they?:shr:

“We see that in many conservative pastors who are helping lead the way to fix our broken immigration system. It’s not what would be expected from them, and yet they recognize, in those immigrant families, the face of God.” He may as well have just called them xenophobic nativists.
This is misconstrued too, 0bam is saying he wouldn't expect conservatives (and religious) two things he knows nothign about, to be embracing illegals and trying to put them into the fold. Obama thinks, correctly, that most illegals will be in HIS fold, the leftist, communist, minority fold. what he doesn't realize is that the religious are just the oldest and most historic 'politicians" doing and saying anything to gain votes and followers.. FOLLOW TEH MONEY.:p





Though I dont disagree 0bam is a muslim, this piece is highly opinionated, and it my opinion not of much substance.






The only people who refer to Jesus as a prophet are muslims. No Christian would ever demean what Christ did for them by giving him such a trivial and common title. There is only ONE Jesus Christ.

Mormons say he was a prophet, and they consider themselves christian.. oh yeah, they're the "wrong type" of christian. too bad they cant go to heaven US 'right types' will be going to:kk1:
 

johnnymac

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Mormons say he was a prophet, and they consider themselves christian.. oh yeah, they're the "wrong type" of christian. too bad they cant go to heaven US 'right types' will be going to:kk1:

Oops, you stepped in it there, big guy. Brush up on your theology before making false blanket statements.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
Transcript of the speech:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/02/obama-at-national-prayer-break.html?wprss=44
(fair use applies)

Obama at National Prayer Breakfast: The transcript
President Obama's remarks Thursday at the Hilton Washington, as he addressed the National Prayer Breakfast. (Transcript provided by the White House.)


Thank you. Thank you very much. Please be seated.

Thank you so much. Heads of state, Cabinet members, my outstanding Vice President, members of Congress, religious leaders, distinguished guests, Admiral Mullen -- it's good to see all of you. Let me begin by acknowledging the co-chairs of this breakfast, Senators Isakson and Klobuchar, who embody the sense of fellowship at the heart of this gathering. They're two of my favorite senators. Let me also acknowledge the director of my faith-based office, Joshua DuBois, who is here. Where's Joshua? He's out there somewhere. He's doing great work.

I want to commend Secretary Hillary Clinton on her outstanding remarks, and her outstanding leadership at the State Department. She's doing good every day. I'm especially pleased to see my dear friend, Prime Minister Zapatero, and I want him to relay America's greetings to the people of Spain. And Johnny, you are right, I'm deeply blessed, and I thank God every day for being married to Michelle Obama.

I'm privileged to join you once again, as my predecessors have for over half a century. Like them, I come here to speak about the ways my faith informs who I am -- as a President, and as a person. But I'm also here for the same reason that all of you are, for we all share a recognition -- one as old as time -- that a willingness to believe, an openness to grace, a commitment to prayer can bring sustenance to our lives.

There is, of course, a need for prayer even in times of joy and peace and prosperity. Perhaps especially in such times prayer is needed -- to guard against pride and to guard against complacency. But rightly or wrongly, most of us are inclined to seek out the divine not in the moment when the Lord makes His face shine upon us, but in moments when God's grace can seem farthest away.

Last month, God's grace, God's mercy, seemed far away from our neighbors in Haiti. And yet I believe that grace was not absent in the midst of tragedy. It was heard in prayers and hymns that broke the silence of an earthquake's wake. It was witnessed among parishioners of churches that stood no more, a roadside congregation, holding bibles in their laps. It was felt in the presence of relief workers and medics; translators; servicemen and women, bringing water and food and aid to the injured.

One such translator was an American of Haitian descent, representative of the extraordinary work that our men and women in uniform do all around the world -- Navy Corpsman Christian [sic] Brossard. And lying on a gurney aboard the USNS Comfort, a woman asked Christopher: "Where do you come from? What country? After my operation," she said, "I will pray for that country." And in Creole, Corpsman Brossard responded, "Etazini." The United States of America.

God's grace, and the compassion and decency of the American people is expressed through the men and women like Corpsman Brossard. It's expressed through the efforts of our Armed Forces, through the efforts of our entire government, through similar efforts from Spain and other countries around the world. It's also, as Secretary Clinton said, expressed through multiple faith-based efforts. By evangelicals at World Relief. By the American Jewish World Service. By Hindu temples, and mainline Protestants, Catholic Relief Services, African American churches, the United Sikhs. By Americans of every faith, and no faith, uniting around a common purpose, a higher purpose.

It's inspiring. This is what we do, as Americans, in times of trouble. We unite, recognizing that such crises call on all of us to act, recognizing that there but for the grace of God go I, recognizing that life's most sacred responsibility -- one affirmed, as Hillary said, by all of the world's great religions -- is to sacrifice something of ourselves for a person in need.

Sadly, though, that spirit is too often absent when tackling the long-term, but no less profound issues facing our country and the world. Too often, that spirit is missing without the spectacular tragedy, the 9/11 or the Katrina, the earthquake or the tsunami, that can shake us out of complacency. We become numb to the day-to-day crises, the slow-moving tragedies of children without food and men without shelter and families without health care. We become absorbed with our abstract arguments, our ideological disputes, our contests for power. And in this Tower of Babel, we lose the sound of God's voice.

Now, for those of us here in Washington, let's acknowledge that democracy has always been messy. Let's not be overly nostalgic. Divisions are hardly new in this country. Arguments about the proper role of government, the relationship between liberty and equality, our obligations to our fellow citizens -- these things have been with us since our founding. And I'm profoundly mindful that a loyal opposition, a vigorous back and forth, a skepticism of power, all of that is what makes our democracy work.

And we've seen actually some improvement in some circumstances. We haven't seen any canings on the floor of the Senate any time recently. So we shouldn't over-romanticize the past. But there is a sense that something is different now; that something is broken; that those of us in Washington are not serving the people as well as we should. At times, it seems like we're unable to listen to one another; to have at once a serious and civil debate. And this erosion of civility in the public square sows division and distrust among our citizens. It poisons the well of public opinion. It leaves each side little room to negotiate with the other. It makes politics an all-or-nothing sport, where one side is either always right or always wrong when, in reality, neither side has a monopoly on truth. And then we lose sight of the children without food and the men without shelter and the families without health care.

Empowered by faith, consistently, prayerfully, we need to find our way back to civility. That begins with stepping out of our comfort zones in an effort to bridge divisions. We see that in many conservative pastors who are helping lead the way to fix our broken immigration system. It's not what would be expected from them, and yet they recognize, in those immigrant families, the face of God. We see that in the evangelical leaders who are rallying their congregations to protect our planet. We see it in the increasing recognition among progressives that government can't solve all of our problems, and that talking about values like responsible fatherhood and healthy marriage are integral to any anti-poverty agenda. Stretching out of our dogmas, our prescribed roles along the political spectrum, that can help us regain a sense of civility.

Civility also requires relearning how to disagree without being disagreeable; understanding, as President [Kennedy] said, that "civility is not a sign of weakness." Now, I am the first to confess I am not always right. Michelle will testify to that. But surely you can question my policies without questioning my faith, or, for that matter, my citizenship.

Challenging each other's ideas can renew our democracy. But when we challenge each other's motives, it becomes harder to see what we hold in common. We forget that we share at some deep level the same dreams -- even when we don't share the same plans on how to fulfill them.

We may disagree about the best way to reform our health care system, but surely we can agree that no one ought to go broke when they get sick in the richest nation on Earth. We can take different approaches to ending inequality, but surely we can agree on the need to lift our children out of ignorance; to lift our neighbors from poverty. We may disagree about gay marriage, but surely we can agree that it is unconscionable to target gays and lesbians for who they are -- whether it's here in the United States or, as Hillary mentioned, more extremely in odious laws that are being proposed most recently in Uganda.

Surely we can agree to find common ground when possible, parting ways when necessary. But in doing so, let us be guided by our faith, and by prayer. For while prayer can buck us up when we are down, keep us calm in a storm; while prayer can stiffen our spines to surmount an obstacle -- and I assure you I'm praying a lot these days -- prayer can also do something else. It can touch our hearts with humility. It can fill us with a spirit of brotherhood. It can remind us that each of us are children of a awesome and loving God.

Through faith, but not through faith alone, we can unite people to serve the common good. And that's why my Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships has been working so hard since I announced it here last year. We've slashed red tape and built effective partnerships on a range of uses, from promoting fatherhood here at home to spearheading interfaith cooperation abroad. And through that office we've turned the faith-based initiative around to find common ground among people of all beliefs, allowing them to make an impact in a way that's civil and respectful of difference and focused on what matters most.

It is this spirit of civility that we are called to take up when we leave here today. That's what I'm praying for. I know in difficult times like these -- when people are frustrated, when pundits start shouting and politicians start calling each other names -- it can seem like a return to civility is not possible, like the very idea is a relic of some bygone era. The word itself seems quaint -- civility.

But let us remember those who came before; those who believed in the brotherhood of man even when such a faith was tested. Remember Dr. Martin Luther King. Not long after an explosion ripped through his front porch, his wife and infant daughter inside, he rose to that pulpit in Montgomery and said, "Love is the only force capable of transforming an enemy into a friend."

In the eyes of those who denied his humanity, he saw the face of God.

Remember Abraham Lincoln. On the eve of the Civil War, with states seceding and forces gathering, with a nation divided half slave and half free, he rose to deliver his first Inaugural and said, "We are not enemies, but friends... Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection."

Even in the eyes of confederate soldiers, he saw the face of God.

Remember William Wilberforce, whose Christian faith led him to seek slavery's abolition in Britain; he was vilified, derided, attacked; but he called for "lessening prejudices [and] conciliating good-will, and thereby making way for the less obstructed progress of truth."

In the eyes of those who sought to silence a nation's conscience, he saw the face of God.

Yes, there are crimes of conscience that call us to action. Yes, there are causes that move our hearts and offenses that stir our souls. But progress doesn't come when we demonize opponents. It's not born in righteous spite. Progress comes when we open our hearts, when we extend our hands, when we recognize our common humanity. Progress comes when we look into the eyes of another and see the face of God. That we might do so -- that we will do so all the time, not just some of the time -- is my fervent prayer for our nation and the world.

Thank you, God bless you, and God bless the United States of America.
 

CTFIREBATTCHIEF

Has No Life - Lives on TB
His Teleprompter needs a pronunciation guide as well

When he talked about the Navy Corpsman, Obama pronounced it as CORPSEman..instead of the correct pronunciation. Did it twice in fact.

And do we hear anything from the Media on that faux pax?

(sound of crickets)

Nah I thought so.
 

SouthernGal

"Don't retreat...reload"
His Teleprompter needs a pronunciation guide as well

When he talked about the Navy Corpsman, Obama pronounced it as CORPSEman..instead of the correct pronunciation. Did it twice in fact.

And do we hear anything from the Media on that faux pax?

(sound of crickets)

Nah I thought so.

I just read this on another board. Someone even posted the youtube video, but I won't watch or listen to the Kenyan PO__S.

I am by no means a George W. Bush fan (:kk1:), but I will say this. Had Bush mispronounced this TWICE, it would be all over the MSM. I guarantee you won't hear a thing about the kenyan's latest screwup.
 

BadMedicine

Would *I* Lie???
Oops, you stepped in it there, big guy. Brush up on your theology before making false blanket statements.

I love being corrected with errors. You'd do well to heed your own advise.

Like I said, every jesus-groupie with a prayer book has their own interpretation of events, titles, definitions of words, but the Mormons believe prophets were strictly messengers for god (like mormon, smith, ). They considere themselves "chrisians" believing his teachings, but they don't call him 'god' like a lot of your christ-junkies. So, run along now and brush up, and go buly..errr..uh.. preach to someone who needs all your insight to be 'saved':kk1:


http://www.godward.org/new-millennium/November97/jesusprophet.htm


""...Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:.." (Lk 24:19)."

One NT claim about Jesus is generally overlooked. We are told that Jesus1 "...was a prophet..." (Lk 24:19). Most Christians, even if aware of this text2, tend to perceive it in a limited sense--like with predictive statements Jesus made about his impending death, by crucifixion, his resurrection, and the promise to return3. But in most minds, the concept of Jesus as a prophet4 would not extend much further. Yet it means far more.

Only one great prophet is specified in the Bible. Although he is the central figure of Israel, Rabbinic sources never identify him. The critical text is Dt 18:15,18. It is the ultimate Bible prediction about a future prophetic personality. It was given by none other than Moses. Yet very little is known about "the prophet."
 

mbabulldog

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is the same Obama that said he had to take the country back from those that cling to their Bibles and their guns...NOW they want to make him a religious man?!?! WTF
 

Garf

Inactive
I love being corrected with errors. You'd do well to heed your own advise.

Like I said, every jesus-groupie with a prayer book has their own interpretation of events, titles, definitions of words, but the Mormons believe prophets were strictly messengers for god (like mormon, smith, ). They considere themselves "chrisians" believing his teachings, but they don't call him 'god' like a lot of your christ-junkies. So, run along now and brush up, and go buly..errr..uh.. preach to someone who needs all your insight to be 'saved':kk1:


http://www.godward.org/new-millennium/November97/jesusprophet.htm


""...Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:.." (Lk 24:19)."

One NT claim about Jesus is generally overlooked. We are told that Jesus1 "...was a prophet..." (Lk 24:19). Most Christians, even if aware of this text2, tend to perceive it in a limited sense--like with predictive statements Jesus made about his impending death, by crucifixion, his resurrection, and the promise to return3. But in most minds, the concept of Jesus as a prophet4 would not extend much further. Yet it means far more.

Only one great prophet is specified in the Bible. Although he is the central figure of Israel, Rabbinic sources never identify him. The critical text is Dt 18:15,18. It is the ultimate Bible prediction about a future prophetic personality. It was given by none other than Moses. Yet very little is known about "the prophet."

Don't know what that link is, but this one is the official Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, (Mormon) site.

Correction: Gary Arvidson is formerly from the Worldwide Church of God (not Mormon) Garner Ted Armstong's organization, now resigned.

Resignation of Worldwide Church of God Minister Gary Arvidson

http://www.hwarmstrong.com/history/history-gary-arvidson-resignation.htm





http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-beliefs/jesus-christ-our-savior/jesus-christ


Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Under the direction of your Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ created the earth (John 1:10; Hebrews 1:1–2). Through His Resurrection, Jesus Christ overcame death for you. Everyone, the righteous and wicked alike, will receive the gift of resurrection. When life on this earth is over, Jesus Christ will serve as the final Judge ( Acts 17:31; John 5:21–22; Acts 10:42).

Heavenly Father loves you and wants you to return to live with Him when you die. This is only possible through the Savior Jesus Christ ( John 14:6).

Through the Atonement—performed by Jesus Christ with His suffering in the Garden of Gethsemane and by His suffering and the voluntary surrender of His life on the cross–He saves you from your sins as you sincerely repent and follow Him. ( 1 Peter 2:21) .

Jesus Christ lived a perfect life while on the earth, approximately 2,000 years ago. Leading by example, He taught how to pray and how to humbly serve others, and He demonstrated the manner in which all should be baptized.

If you follow His example as closely as possible, you will not only find joy in your life, but you will someday return to live with Him and your Father in Heaven. Specifically, you are to:

* Have faith in Him ( Mark 11:22–24).
* Repent of your sins ( Acts 2:38).
* Receive baptism ( John 3:3–6), the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the other ordinances of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
* Keep His commandments ( John 14:15).

Today, as in the days of Jesus Christ, there are certain principles of the gospel that people are to learn to obey.

The first principles and ordinances of the gospel are:

* First, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
* Second, repentance.
* Third, baptism by immersion for the remission of sins.
* Fourth, laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
 
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kemosabe

Doooooooooom !
I got a buck that says he goes nose to a carpet five times a day and says "Allah Akbar"!!!


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GingerN

Veteran Member
Why do you think it's called the Obamanation???

Interesting play on words, eh???

I don't know why, but the number of days mentioned really bothers me. I don't know if this refers to Obama, nuclear war or something else, but it bears watching and prayer. When you take the 1290 and divide it by the number of days in a year (365.25) you come up with 3.53. Then the number 1335 divided by days in a year-3.655. I wonder if this is telling us that during this time, something HUGE will happen. I know that we are not supposed to know the date and or time of Christ's return, so I try to avoid even speculating about it, but those numbers just really bother me.

Maybe I am nuts, maybe its just not enough coffee-it is just 7:08 am, but I am decidedly uneasy this morning, and this just makes it moreso.
 

Codeno

Veteran Member
Chameleobaman, the ever changing imposter.

'Don't let the handshake and the smile fool ya, take my advice I'm only tryin' to school ya...'
 

Jamestown Girl

Veteran Member
Thanks for the transcript. He is not a Christian; he is a a humanist. He should probably read scripture before he opens his mouth to a group of Christians.

I guarantee he will not rise from the dead three days later.
 

pixmo

Bucktoothed feline member
The Bible has demonstrated time and time again (especially the OT) how God handles nations who mock, turn away from Him or try to bend/skew Him to suite their own agendas.

God has demonstrated his consistency...I doubt he'll be changing his methods anytime soon.

I used to think that Obama resembled Caligula or perhaps Nero, but I'm thinking more along the lines of Belshazzar as of late...
 

shakytoad

Inactive
Fauxnews has an agenda of their own, constantly harping on the muslim thing. He is no muslim. He was raised by lunatic-fringe communists, and is a communist of the third-world variety.
 
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