"Israeli Nuclear Strike On Iran Turned Back"

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[note]: <i>BV141 PMed the URL to this article (saying that it is posted, by day late,on Mutter's board). I have scanned it; and determined that there are several "factual" events contained in the article - the Article's premise must be "left up to the reader" as to weather it, the interception, occured.

The bottom line is; that the article cannot, at our own peril, be ignored.

The Flying Dutchman</i>





<B><font size=+1 color=green><center>Israeli Nuclear Strike On Iran Turned Back </font>

By William Thomas
Jan 18th 2007
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A recent strike by nuclear-armed Israeli Air Force fighter-bombers bound for targets in Iran was turned back after being intercepted by U.S. fighters over Iraq, this reporter has learned. </b>

Two sources have independently confirmed the encounter, which took place on January 7, 2007. Though the first informant offered few details beyond an initial tip, a second source long-known by this reporter to have well-placed U.S. and “non-U.S.” military and government contacts provided specific information regarding the raid, which was aimed at the radical religious ayatollahs holding ultimate power in Iran.

Israeli nuclear strikes are not unprecedented. Soon after Desert Storm, U.S. Navy pilots told this reporter in Kuwait how in late 1990 Israel made good on its pledge to respond in kind to WMD attacks by launching nuclear-armed aircraft against Baghdad following a lethal assault on Tel Aviv by Scud missiles tipped with chemical warheads. That air strike was called off when the Americans refused to provide the vital IFF codes needed to fly through U.S.-controlled airspace.

When questioned concerning the “Identification Friend or Foe” transponder codes needed to overfly Iraq today, this source said that allied Israeli aircraft are routinely provided “squawk codes” when flying missions aimed at acquiring the characteristics of air defence radars triggered by their approach to Syrian, Jordanian, Iranian and U.S.-controlled Iraqi airspace.

This source added that visiting IAF warplanes are routinely “topped off” by American aerial refueling tankers, but only on condition that the Israeli jets fly a “racetrack” holding pattern—and do not continue “downtown” toward Iran.

The designated turn back point is the “160 station”—a clearly charted tapline road located 160 kilometers from Baghdad. Any aircraft proceeding beyond this point must declare its intentions. Otherwise, a USAF F-15 will take position off its wingtip. After waggling its own wings to attract attention, if the interloper fails to turn back, the American Eagle “drops behind and gets tone” by locking a Sidewinder anti-aircraft missile onto the offending plane.

According to this very reliable source, on two previous occasions Israeli fighter-bombers armed with nuclear bombs have headed “downtown” before being turned back over Iraq.

The January 7th mission, which trespassed beyond 160 station before being recalled by Israeli authorities, comprised three IAF F-16s. Each carried conventional munitions—as well as a single 20-kiloton nuclear bomb.

The atomic detonation that razed the city of Hiroshima and killed 140,000 people outright was a 13-kiloton blast. [Agence France-Presse Aug 6/05]

DEADLY DEFENCES
This report of an attempted nuclear strike contradicts military analysts who have long maintained that Israel would deploy as many as 25 I-model F-15 fighter-bombers from the 69th Squadron based at Hatzerim Air Base in the northern Negev, about 50 miles south of Tel Aviv. Any Israeli Air Force attack, it is believed, must first suppress Iranian air defenses, while ensuring that enough conventionally-armed F-15s get through to set back that country’s widely dispersed nuclear program for many years.

The latest model F-15 can carry as much ordnance as a neighborhood-flattening World War II B-17 heavy bomber. As the independent think tank Strategic Forecasting points out, the IAF “has repeatedly demonstrated the ability to conduct long-range strikes”—including the 1976 raid on Entebbe, 2,600 miles from Israel, and a 1985 attack on the PLO headquarters in Tunis, 1,500 miles away. [www.stratfor.com]

But Iran’s air defenses are far more formidable than any the Israeli Air Force has yet faced. Manufactured at the KBM factory near Moscow, Russian-supplied SA-18 Igla-S mobile missile batteries are said to be highly effective against low-flying jets. According to Russian intelligence sources known as DEBKA, the Igla’s mobility “makes them difficult to target and limits the maneuverability of Israeli planes.”

DEBKA has also revealed that Russian advisers from the Raduga OKB engineering group based in Dubna near Moscow have completed installing two advanced radar systems around the Bushehr nuclear reactor on the Persian Gulf. Codenamed “Tin Shield”, the mobile 36D6 systems are modified to protect Iran’s Russian-supplied nuclear facilities from American or Israeli aircraft, stand-off missiles, and cruise missile attacks. On January 12, 2006, Tin Shields also went operational around the uranium enrichment plants at Isfahan in central Iran.

Other air defenses supplied by Moscow to Syria—and most likely Iran—include advanced mobile SS-26 Iskander-E surface to surface missiles carrying a 1,000-pound multiple warhead capable of dodging air defense radars and electronic jamming, as well as surface-to-air SA-10 “Grumble” missiles capable of engaging several targets simultaneously at various altitudes, and SA-18 “Grouse” shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles fitted with a 4.5-pound high-explosive warhead. The SA-18 has a maximum range of 5.2 kilometers and a maximum altitude of 3.5 kilometers.

Another major worry for Israeli pilots is Iran’s first satellite. Carried into orbit by a Russian booster in October 2005, the Sinah-1 can provide a “look down” capability to spot low-flying aircraft long before they intrude Iranian airspace.

“The Iranians’ space programme is a matter of deep concern to us,” said an Israeli defence source at the time. “If and when we launch an attack on several Iranian targets, the last thing we need is Iranian early warning received by satellite.”

Moscow has also supplied an estimated $1 billion worth of advanced Tor-M1 anti-missile systems capable of destroying guided missiles and laser-guided bombs dropped from high-flying aircraft. “Once the Iranians get the Tor-M1, it will make our life much more difficult,” worried an Israeli air force source. “We can’t waste time on this one.” [www.envirosagainstwar.org; Sunday Times Dec 11/05; WorldNetDaily.com Dec 11/05]

OSIRIK, THE SEQUEL
According to DEBKA, Moscow intends to secure its investment at Bushehr “against the fate of the Saddam Hussein’s French-built Tamuz nuclear center, which the Israeli air force bombed out existence 24 years ago.”

Fitted with modified drop tanks to extend their range, a trio of smaller, more agile F-16s presents a much more difficult challenge to Iran’s defenders than a larger force of twin-engine F-15s. Renowned for their ability to “tweak” American-supplied weapons, the Israelis have, according to my inside source, managed to reduce the F-16’s radar profile “to the size of a kid’s tricycle.”

As he described it, “We fuel ‘em up and they go off the reservation, hit afterburners, hit the deck, and vanish...”
Demonstrating his insider knowledge, he further noted that the Israelis have modified the original drop tanks supplied by the Americans to simultaneously feed the F-16’s single engine, thereby avoiding the fuel management distractions required to keep the fighter in balance using the one-tank-at-a-time U.S. system.

Also unlike their USAF counterparts, Israeli F-16s can simultaneously jettison their spent underwing fuel tanks without the risk of a tumbling drop tank striking live ordnance suspended under the fighter’s wings.

ONE-WAY MISSION
But even fitted with drop-tanks, unless assisted by USAF tankers or allowed to land in Iraq, low-flying F-16’s will burn too much fuel to return. Unless they receive a message in flight to turn back, this source said, Israeli pilots “have already been told before they get into the plane they are not coming back.” He added that volunteer pilots are prepared to fly their nuclear bombs “into their targets” if necessary.

On January 7, after crossing into Iranian airspace, the three ground-hugging nuclear-armed Israeli F-16s would have turned north. Using conventional munitions, the jets would have attacked the 3rd Tactical Air Base at Hamadan to preclude pursuit by the obsolete Iranian air force F-4s stationed there.

Because the small Israeli strike force was expected to be flying a one-way mission, more modern Iranian F-5s and MiG-29s based at the 2nd Tactical Air Base at Tabriz would not have presented a problem on egress. [www.stratfor.com]

This source further stated that the crowded Iranian capitol and the “huge” Revolutionary Guard training facility at Hamadan are “defined targets.” He added that Hamadan is also the Revolutionary Guard’s “central depository for WMD.”

IRAN’S WMD
Late in 1990, as a Desert Storm gathered on Iraq’s western border, a convoy of six blacked out transport trucks departed a heavily guarded al-Jesira factory loading dock just outside Mosul. The vehicles included a 1983 red and white Scania transport van, a 1985 Scania with white cab and red box, an orange 1975 MAC truck, an orange 1986 Scania, a brown and white Volvo truck of unknown vintage, and another Scania transport sporting an orange cab and red box.

Already targeted by allied war planners, the al-Jesira Factory produced the uranium hexaflouride used in the difficult technical task of turning low-grade uranium into highly enriched uranium for weapons purposes.

License plates obscured with mud, and traveling only at night, the trucks drove south to a second loading stop in Baghdad, before turning east into Iran. According to a declassified U.S. military intelligence report, the containers sent to Shiite Teheran by Saddam’s dissident Shiite generals were clearly labeled: “Tularemia,” “Anthrax,” “Botulinum” and “Plague”.

Their gift package also included an advanced Hewlett Packard computer, and a Linatron X-ray machine marked “pbg”. Both were shipped from Iraq’s nuclear weapons facility at Mosul, along with sealed containers of uranium hexafluoride. Details of these WMD transfers were contained in a September 30, 2004 U.S. Department of Defence intelligence report widely distributed among U.S. government and military leaders: Filename:22010744.91r, PATHFINDER RECORD NUMBER: 11224; SUBJ: TRANSFER OF NUCLEAR, BIOLOGICAL, AND CHEMICAL (NBC) MATERIEL DURING DESERT STORM [original text: www.gulfwarvets.com/gulflink/95071920.txt]

DECAPITATION
Also contradicting military aviation experts and IAF cover stories, this source revealed that the intended targets on July 7th were not aimed at turning Iran’s five heavily defended nuclear reactors into as many Chernobyls. Nor could the Israeli attackers expect to hit Iran’s hundreds of widely dispersed nuclear research facilities. Instead, the January 7 mission objective was to pre-empt Teheran’s ability to attack Israel by eliminating Iran’s “Command and Control”—the religious leadership holding the “go codes” required to launch an Iranian attack on Israel.

“This cuts off the head of the snake and makes response impossible,” my source said. “Decapitating” the country’s top leaders is possible, he went on, because they tend to feel safer by congregating. “Iranians are so untrusting of the communications networks and methodologies most other people use, they don’t use the Internet,” he asserted. “They use the ‘sneaker net’ to walk the message over.”

According to a London newspaper, a “massive” Israeli intelligence operation has been underway in Iran since that country was designated the “top priority for 2005.” [Sunday Times Dec 11/05]

But my source described “years” of insertions of Israeli agents into Iran. Besides locating that country’s underground nuclear installations, Israeli “moles” are principally charged with “pinpointing individuals that would have to be taken out,” he said. “To assure that the government is nonfunctional, you have to go at least 10 people back” from Iran’s top religious and political leaders.

“ It’s like a fatwa,” he continued. Acting as “target designators,” Israeli agents equipped with miniaturized homing beacons “stay glued” to Iranian leaders.” Because Iran’s religious and civil leadership often holds meetings on trains, a single well-timed Israeli strike “can take them all out,” he affirmed. “Going downtown, goin’ for the black robes, they have on the ground confirmation.”

Unlike a conventional high-explosive bomb, detonation of a hydrogen bomb ensures “success” in aborting a perceived Iranian attack by frying that all of that country’s computers, phones, radio and other electronic equipment in a massive Electromagnetic Pulse. Because Iranian military electronics are not “hardened” against EMP, and because Iranian war-fighting doctrine stipulates that commanders “use everything they have and hold nothing in reserve,” this source pointed out that if an Israeli air raid is suspected, “all their stuff will be lit up.” As a consequence, after an EMP from an atomic air burst, “Everything on will now be permanently off.”

So will everyone caught in the initial blast wave and firestorm extending more than a dozen miles from the mushrooming blast’s epicenter, as well as all those caught in the radioactive fallout that follows. Ensuring regional radiation sickness, the sharkay day wind blows from NW to SE over Iran and surrounding countries, before shifting 180 degrees during the nighttime shamal.

CROSSING THE RED LINE
With Iranian missiles able to hit Tel Aviv and the Israeli nuclear plant and atom bomb dump at Dimona, and major powers pledged to Teheran’s defense, how Israel and the world expects to escape the moral, military and political consequences of another Hiroshima was not explained.

According to my informant, the three “warning” nuclear strikes launched against Iran and aborted by Israel came in response to threatening military moves that accompanied belligerent public statements by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

“When they start to deploy, you decapitate so they can’t issue a go order,” he said. “What would you do if your country was as small and vulnerable as Florida? If someone keeps saying they are going to punch you in the face, and then they start to get up out of their chair, what are you going to do? When it’s the survival of your family, the survival of your [race], there are no rules.”

Though this source would not confirm the other two dates, one Israeli nuclear strike might have been




launched shortly after December 14, 2005, when Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called the Holocaust a “myth” and suggested that Israel’s Jews be relocated to Europe or Alaska.

Dubbing Ahmadinejad, “Admin-job”, this source dismissingly described the Iranian President’s role as “tech support” for the radical ayatollahs, whose national constitution calls for unremitting terror attacks against Israel and the United States—despite near unanimous opposition by Iran’s predominantly younger demographic.

Because Ahmadinejad “does what the black robes tell him,” the Iranian president’s pre-approved public utterances are taken seriously by Israelis, who reportedly became alarmed just prior to

January 7 when the Iranian political leader made a short radio statement to his nation saying that a “consolidated” response was required to Bush “and the Zionists”. That the Iranian president issued his address over more publicly accessible shortwave radio, instead of making his usual televised announcement was apparently considered especially menacing by Israeli intelligence.

Likening Israel to a tiny white desert scorpion that is “utterly fearless” in its own defense, this source emphasized that its leaders are “more than deadly serious” in defending their UN-imposed homeland. Determining the point where Iran becomes “a mortal threat” to Israel’s security by crossing the so-called red line “is a minute by minute decision,” he said.

That red line was said to be breached in March 2006, when an Israeli army assessment warned that Iran was capable of enriching enough uranium to start producing nuclear weapons within three years. The previous December, Israeli President Ariel Sharon had declared, “Israel—and not only Israel—cannot accept a nuclear Iran. We have the ability to deal with this, and we’re making all the necessary preparations to be ready for such a situation.” [www.stratfor.com]

Israel’s military intelligence chief Aharon Zeevi Farkash also warned the Knesset, “If by the end of March the international community is unable to refer the Iranian issue to the United Nations Security Council, then we can say the international effort has run its course.” [www.envirosagainstwar.org; Sunday Times Dec 11/05; WorldNetDaily.com Dec 11/05]



DESPERATION IN THREE ALLIED CAPITOLS
Writing for Newsweek and the Associated Press, Mideast journalist Robert Parry observes, “Bush is looking for ways to ‘double-down’ his gamble in Iraq by joining with Olmert—and possibly outgoing British Prime Minister Tony Blair—” in a desperate roll of violent dice.

Despite Israeli President Ehud Olmert’s misadventure in Lebanon, which has inflamed public sentiments against Israel and vastly strengthened Hammas—as well as Tony Blair’s deepening disgrace, and the resounding defeat of Bush’s war policies in the November 7, 2006 congressional elections—the three leaders have recently conducted private discussions: Olmert meeting with Bush on November 13, Blair visiting the White House on December 7, and Blair conferring with Olmert in Israel on December 18.

Sources close to Parry say “the three leaders are frantically seeking options for turning around their political fortunes as they face harsh judgments from history for their bloody and risky adventures in the Middle East.”

But the veteran correspondent adds, “There is a clock ticking… If the Bush-Blair-Olmert triumvirate has any hope of accomplishing the neoconservative remaking of the Middle East, time is running out. Something dramatic must happen soon.”

Parry refers to that “something” as “Armageddon.”

“I would expect an attack in the next six months,” concurred Larry Johnson, a former deputy director in the State Department’s counter-terrorism office, earlier this month. “This is not just planning for possible military contingencies. There is real planning underway for carrying out a military strike against Iran”—a strike the Israeli military has reportedly already attempted three times. [Consortium News Jan 8/07]

SAY WHAT?
Faced with rising clamor for his own ouster among the American populace, and outright refusal by his top generals to carry out a previously ordered ground attack against Iran using B61-11 nuclear bombs, George Bush continues to defy nearly everyone, while claiming to receive his apocalyptic instructions directly from God. [New Yorker, Apr 17/06]

According to DEBKA, after stating in April 2006 that U.S. intelligence does not believe Iran could produce a nuclear weapon within a decade, then Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte “infuriated neoconservative hardliners who wanted a worst-case scenario on Iran’s nuclear capabilities, much as they pressed for an alarmist view on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction before the U.S. invasion in 2003.”

As DEBKA sees it, “Bush’s neocon advisers fear that if Bush doesn’t act decisively in his remaining two years in office, his successor may lack the political will to launch a preemptive strike against Iran.

“Attacks on Iran and Syria also would fit with Bush’s desire to counter the growing Shiite influence across the Middle East, which was given a boost by Bush’s ouster of the Sunni-dominated government of Saddam Hussein in Iraq.” [www.debkafile.com Jan 24/05]

The Washington Post agrees, reporting how “Bush began pondering how best to throttle Shiite expansionism” after the neocon fantasy “of a U.S.-orchestrated transformation of the Middle East had turned into a nightmare of rising Shiite radicalism.” [Washington Post, July 16/06]

Bush’s closest advisers also blame Syria and Iran for supporting Iraq’s defenders. “Lacking the military and political capacity to expand the conflict beyond Iraq, the Bush administration turned to Israel and its new Prime Minister Ehud Olmert,” DEBKA says.

By summer 2006, Israeli sources were describing Bush’s obsessive interest in finding a pretext to take down Syria and Iran. Toward this end, he removed the American Ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad when that moderate Muslim objected to Bush’s decision to hang Saddam Hussein. (While governor of Texas, Bush set an all-time record for hangings there.)

Parry also notes that on November 8, two days after Donald Rumsfeld’s memo urging a “minimalist” U.S. presence in Iraq, and the day after American voters threw the Republican majority out of the House and Senate, Bush fired his Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld “for going wobbly on the war.” [Consortium News Jan 8/07]

On January 4, 2007 Bush replaced his two top Middle East commanders after Generals John Abizaid and George Casey opposed his military escalation in Iraq. Alluding to upcoming attacks on Iran and Syria, Bush stated, “I’m not predicting any particular theater, but I am predicting that it’s going to take a while for the ideology of liberty to finally triumph…” [Consortium News Jan 8/07]

By then, he had already dispatched U.S. marines and two carrier task forces to the coast of Iran.

STRIKING POWER
Working for the Canadian think tank, Global Research, Ottawa-based Middle East analyst Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya has pieced together Bush’s personal war fleet.

Now on station in the Persian Gulf, “Expeditionary Strike Group 5” includes more than 2,000 marines from the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit. Equipped with landing craft and 38 helicopters, the marines are not going to bolster U.S. forces inside Iraq. Instead, they are prepared to “rapidly deploy” on orders received from either of two-men comprising the National Command Authority—the President, or the Secretary of Defense.

The Expeditionary Strike Group’s flagship, the marine assault vessel USS Boxer is accompanied by the massive dock landing vessel, USS Dubuque, the troop ship USS Comstock, battle cruiser USS Bunker Hill, guided-missile destroyers USS Benford and USS Howard, and HMCS Ottawa. Though ostensibly joining its American ally to prosecute the “War on Terror,” prior to steaming for Iran the Canadian frigate took part in Strike Group 5’s anti-submarine drills off Hawaii aimed at countering Iran’s diesel-electric submarines.

Leading this attack armada is the nuclear carrier USS Enterprise escorted by the destroyer USS McFaul, the frigate USS Nicholas, the battle cruiser USS Leyte Gulf, the attack submarine USS Alexandria, and the fast combat support ship USNS Supply.

A second powerful Strike Group comprises the similarly escorted nuclear aircraft carrier USS Eisenhower. One of these naval strike groups is steaming in the Gulf of Oman and the Arabian Sea; the second is bottled up in the Persian Gulf.

As Nazemroaya narrates, “The Persian Gulf could be closed off and turned into a shooting gallery” by Iranian forces deploying advanced Chinese and Russian anti-ship missiles, as well as 225 miles-per-hour torpedoes.

In addition, Iran’s huge hovercraft fleet is augmented by missile-firing drones and helicopter squadrons, silent submarines, and new “Joshan” PT boats capable of speeds in excess of 45 knots. Equipped with a variety of missiles striking beyond 62 miles, the Joshans’ rapid-firing 76-mm shells can shred sea and air targets within 19 kilometers at altitudes up to 23,000 feet.

While such a pornographic catalogue of costly killing machines reads like a Tom Clancy thriller, the results of war in the Persian Gulf will be widespread death and chaos ashore, major casualties for the U.S. and Canadian navies, and worldwide economic and political spasm following the closing of major oil tanker routes through the Strait of Hormuz

Anticipating heavy losses, overall command and control of both Carrier Air Groups has for the first time been transferred onshore. The U.S. Coast Guard vessel USS Midgett has also been dispatched to assist U.S. and Canadian naval vessels wrecked by the Iranian armed forces.

Retired Colonel Gardiner, who once taught military strategy at the U.S. National War College, declares that the U.S. carrier deployments are “very important evidence” of Bush’s intentions to wage war against Iran. “It’s a very significant order, and it’s not done as a training exercise,” Gardiner noted. “You cannot issue a PTDO and then stay ready for very long,”

A PTDO requires all crews to be onboard, and all ships and aircraft ready to deploy by a certain date—in this case, October 1, 2006. “I think the plan’s been picked: bomb the nuclear sites in Iran,” says Gardiner. “It’s a terrible idea. It’s against U.S. law and it’s against international law, but I think they’ve decided to do it.”

ZIONIST ADMIRAL
Toward this end, Bush has appointed Admiral William Fallon as the new head of Central Command (CENTCOM) for the entire Middle East Theater of Operations. The former Navy pilot will oversee two ground wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as any American involvement following Israel’s proxy attacks on Iran.

According to DEBKA, “Though not considered a Middle East expert, Fallon has moved in neoconservative circles… attending a 2001 awards ceremony at the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.” JINSA lobbyists dominate U.S. Middle East policy by encouraging the White House to directly link “American defense policy and the security of Israel.” [DEBKAfile Jan 24/05]

Award-winning Middle East correspondent Robert Fisk also links “Vice-President Dick Cheney, the arch-hawk in the U.S. administration” to the powerful JINSA. “Richard Perle, chairman of the Pentagon’s Defence Policy Board, is still an adviser on the institute, as is the former CIA director James Woolsey,” Fisk adds. “Perle advises the Defence Secretary…”

As Jeff Halper, an Israeli professor of anthropology and Coordinator of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions points out, “Israel is a center of neocon ideology and mobilization. Many of the founders of neo-conservatism in the 1970s and most of its prominent advocates today are [Zionists]. This is not an irrelevant fact, nor is it ‘anti-Semitic’ to say so.”

Though opposed by many Jewish people, Zionists believe “every inch of the Holy Land should belong to Israel, and that there should never be a Palestinian state,” explains The Guardian’s Matthew Engel. [Days of Deception by William Thomas]




GO NAVY
Robert Parry worriedly observes that U.S. naval strike forces currently steaming off Iran offers “perhaps a last chance at achieving the regional transformation that has been at the heart of Bush’s strategy of ‘democratizing’ the Middle East through [more] violence if necessary.”

Another source familiar with high-level thinking in Washington and Tel Aviv believes that an unstated reason for Bush’s troop surge is to bolster Baghdad’s Green Zone in anticipation of a mass uprising among Iraqi Shiites following attacks on Iran by Israeli and American forces. In addition to appointing a known “technocrat” to head CENTCOM, Bush has also replaced America’s top spy chief, John Negroponte with retired Vice Admiral John McConnell.

“Navy, Navy, Navy,” my source noted. “Do you see a pattern? The Gulf of Tonkin was started by the Navy. Admiral Crowe covered-up the shootdown of the Iranian Airbus” (by USS Vincennes), and the electromagnetic-beaming “poppers” used to interfere with the minds and moods of Iraq’s populace and national leadership were “a U.S. Navy invention put in place by the Office of Naval Intelligence.”

As for George Bush Senior—the man who gave the world the first Gulf War, more than 740,000 Iraqi deaths, and a thousand burning oil wells—”Navy,” he added. Regarding his son, this source pointed out, “He gets rid of everyone who’s telling him ‘no’. That to me is dangerous because there’s no fail-safe.”

ISREAL VS THE UNITED STATES?
Providing a “fail safe” for pressing home the January 7 nuclear strike were three IAF F-16s. “Only one needs to reach the target,” this source explained. “Of the other two, one is to take out resistance or hold hostage, the third is backup.”

He meant American “resistance”. In order to defend its national interest, if ordered to prosecute their attack on Iran, Israeli warplanes are prepared to take on their American sponsors, my source stated. But instead of dog-fighting over Baghdad, he described how altimeter-armed nuclear bombs set to go off at a specific altitude would prevent American fighters from shooting down the Israeli jets.

“Which way will the surge surge?” I asked.

My source laughed grimly. “We need a surge protector,” he declared. On January 7, the Israeli nuclear strike was turned back over al-Samawah, “a hair away from an-Nasiriyah. That was not the first time. It’s not going to be the last time. But every time it happens, it goes further and gets closer. There is no way to turn this off. This is not an ‘if’ – it’s a ‘when’”.

PUTIN REPSONDS
In a move that must have sent chills through wintertime Europe, a pugnacious Putin has reportedly informed EU leaders that he will “pull the plug” on Russian oil and natural gas shipments if Israel attacks Iran.

Heightening tensions, military exercises involving Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan forces were held in late August 2006. At the same time, China and Kazakhstan held joint “anti-terrorism” drills. That same month, war games coordinating Russian, Chinese, CSTO and Iranian forces took place throughout Iran.

In September 2006, Russia, Uzbekistan, and Kazakhstan also held joint “anti-terrorism drills” aimed at blocking U.S. and NATO “interference”. During this time, China and Tajikistan also conducted their first joint military exercise.

“Roughly 12,000 mostly American troops in Afghanistan will begin to integrate with NATO in October 2006,” Nazemroaya further notes. Following attacks on Iran and Syria, NATO and the U.S. anticipate intervening in Pakistan, where the collapse of General Musharraf’s government could place Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal in the hands of that country’s al-Qaeda and Taliban opposition—and perhaps Osama bin Laden. [Global Research Oct 1/06; Navy Times Sept 12/06; Time; CNN Sept 17/06 Nation Sept 28/06]

RECENT DEVELOPMENTS
Seeking further provocation with Teheran, on January 11, 2007, U.S. forces stormed the Iranian consulate in the northern Iraqi town of Irbil, seizing six staff members, computers and classified papers. Bush presaged the embassy raid by pledging to take a hard line towards Iran and Syria, whom he accused of “destabilizing” a country plunged into anarchy by the American occupation.

The U.S. also accuses Iran of seeking nuclear arms to counter the American and Israeli nuclear arsenals. Denying both charges, Tehran recently warned the U.N. General Assembly that escalating U.S. military involvement in the Middle East “threatens to drag the world into war.” [BBC Jan 11/07]

WHAT CAN WE DO?
“ These war plans must be taken very seriously,” warns Global Research director Michel Chossudovsky. “The world is at the crossroads of the most serious crisis in modern history. The U.S. has embarked on a military adventure, a long war, which threatens the future of humanity. In the weeks ahead, it is essential that citizens’ movements around the world act consistently to confront their respective governments and reverse and dismantle this military agenda.”

This Canadian analyst further urges, “What is needed is to break the conspiracy of silence, expose the media lies and distortions, and confront the criminal nature of the U.S. Administration and of those governments which support it.”

As a Democratic Congress moves to block Bush’s latest military escalation, spontaneous street protests calling for his immediate impeachment have broken out in Santa Cruz, California and other U.S. cities. These demonstrations are expected to grow. Calling by cell phone from the raucous streets of Santa Cruz, resident Rich Valles said, “I’m getting the strong feeling that the American people are soon going to be taking this to Washington—where they will be joined by the army.”

In the end, it may be even more important to impeach Washington’s militaristic mindset, then the hangman it personifies.
 
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I wish to say again to BV141; "Thank you sir" The article is indeed! Fasinating, and many, many of the events have indeed occured.

<i>Dutchman</i>
 
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<center>Bio of William Thomas


About William Thomas

Investigative Journalist | Author | Photographer | Lecturer | Film Maker</center>

William Thomas is an award-winning Canadian journalist specializing in health and environment. During and immediately after the Gulf War, he served five months in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait as a member of a three-man environmental emergency response team.

The author of All Fall Down: The Politics of Terror and Mass Persuasion, Alt. Health, Scorched Earth, Bringing The War Home and Chemtrails Confirmed is the winner of four Canadian feature-writing awards.

Thomas’ 30-minute video documentary Eco War won the 1991 US Environmental Festival award for “Best Documentary Short”. Excerpts from this “front-lines” chronicle of a three-man environmental emergency response team in Kuwait aired extensively on an eight-part CBC Gulf War miniseries, and have been shown on CNN and NBC television.

Thomas’ writing and photography have appeared in more than 50 publications in eight countries, including translations into French, Dutch and Japanese. His editorial commentaries have appeared in The Globe and Mail, The Toronto Star, The Vancouver Sun and Times-Colonist newspapers - as well as Monday, Earth Island Journal and Ecodecision magazines.

A frequent radio talk-show guest, William Thomas has also appeared on the CBC and New Zealand’s national television. He currently lives and works among the Gulf Islands of British Columbia.

West coast journalist William Thomas broke the chemtrails story in Jan. 1999 for the Environment News Service. His book, Chemtrails Confirmed 2004 is fully revised and up to date. His half-hour video – “Chemtrails: Mystery Lines In The Sky” - produced with artist Paul Grignon – remains the definitive documentary on this subject.

William Thomas has recently released his latest book dealing with events surrounding Sept.11. All Fall Down: The Politics of Terror and Mass Persuasion also looks at media manipulation. The Final Crusade is an illustrated comic book drawn from AFD.

Stand Down is a double-CD audio book sequel describing and documenting NORAD’s admitted stand down of US air defenses on 911.

A former member of the US Navy Reserves who resigned his commission over the Vietnam War, William Thomas now lives and works in the Gulf Islands of British Columbia on Canada’s west coast.

William Thomas's awards include;

· 1989 Western Canada Magazine Feature Awards
· 1990 Canadian Weekly Periodicals "Best Feature" award
· 1997 BC and Yukon Community Newspaper Award
· 1998 BC Outdoors Award.

· "Eco War" won the 1991 US Environmental Film Festival Award for "Best Documentary Short". Segments have aired extensively on Canada's CBC, as well as appearing on CNN and NBC television.
 

Mac

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(as I posted on the other thread with this article)

Interesting fiction there.

The author is "out there" and may need help.

In 1991 there were no chemical strikes on Tel Aviv. There were dozens on conventional warhead SCUD attacks, and the story about the U.S. denying IFF codes to Israel has been reported before, but Israel was not going to attack using nuclear weapons. Israel had planes ready to launch in 1991 to hot back at Iraq following the first SCUD attacks, but frantic diplomatic efforts and the denial of the IFF codes aborted the missions. We promised Israel Patriot batteries and other carrots to keep her on the sidelines.

As for this reported incident a few weeks ago ... uh, no, it is silly. First, Israel would not send a strike package of only three jets. The 1981 mission on one target called for about 14 aircraft including F-15s to provide fighter protection for the F-16s. Also, Israel would not launch across Iraqi airspace without coordinating with the U.S. because they know we would detect and intercept. Such a route would deem the mission to failure before the first aircraft went "wheels up." If they were going to do this without coordinating with us they would cross Saudi airspace or go around Saudi using their F-15Is and tankers. The article makes no sense and readfs more like a bad attempt at some kind of war novel than anything based in reality. Geez, if Israel wanted to just throw nukes around, arming their Jerico missiles with a nuclear payload would be the option, it would bypass airspace restrictions and save planes and pilots.
 

Mephib

Senior Member
Very interesting article and perhaps plausible, but he quotes Robert Fisk approvingly. That really tells us all we need to know about his biases/credibility.
 

Desperado

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ISREAL VS THE UNITED STATES?
Providing a “fail safe” for pressing home the January 7 nuclear strike were three IAF F-16s. “Only one needs to reach the target,” this source explained. “Of the other two, one is to take out resistance or hold hostage, the third is backup.”

He meant American “resistance”. In order to defend its national interest, if ordered to prosecute their attack on Iran, Israeli warplanes are prepared to take on their American sponsors, my source stated. But instead of dog-fighting over Baghdad, he described how altimeter-armed nuclear bombs set to go off at a specific altitude would prevent American fighters from shooting down the Israeli jets.


So they would make the biggest suicide bombing in history, by exploding a nuclear device possibly over Iraq and our troops so they could complete their first strike attack on Iran.
Like I have said many times before...with friends like that who needs enemies.
 
(as I posted on the other thread with this article)

Interesting fiction there.

The author is "out there" and may need help.

<b>In 1991 there were no chemical strikes on Tel Aviv</b>. There were dozens on conventional warhead SCUD attacks, and the story about the U.S. denying IFF codes to Israel has been reported before, but Israel was not going to attack using nuclear weapons. Israel had planes ready to launch in 1991 to hot back at Iraq following the first SCUD attacks, but frantic diplomatic efforts and the denial of the IFF codes aborted the missions. We promised Israel Patriot batteries and other carrots to keep her on the sidelines.

As for this reported incident a few weeks ago ... uh, no, it is silly. First, Israel would not send a strike package of only three jets. The 1981 mission on one target called for about 14 aircraft including F-15s to provide fighter protection for the F-16s. Also, Israel would not launch across Iraqi airspace without coordinating with the U.S. because they know we would detect and intercept. Such a route would deem the mission to failure before the first aircraft went "wheels up." If they were going to do this without coordinating with us they would cross Saudi airspace or go around Saudi using their F-15Is and tankers. The article makes no sense and readfs more like a bad attempt at some kind of war novel than anything based in reality. Geez, if Israel wanted to just throw nukes around, arming their Jerico missiles with a nuclear payload would be the option, it would bypass airspace restrictions and save planes and pilots.

Mac;

I surely would hate to disagree with you; but my admittedly poor old faulty memory, seems to recall that there was ONE scud which did hit, and did have a chemical pay-load. And while the Israelis were scrambling to pass out face masks....

And Bush1 "shuffled it" (Patriot Missle batteries) to get the Israelis "Not to respond"....

But like I said, My poor old memory is getting kinda bad, of late...
 

Switchback

Veteran Member
Right on, Dutch. A few million of my brain cell capacitors still hold that data as well about the Iraqi chemical Scud.
 

Mac

Veteran Member
Nope, no Chems were used. Israel was ready for them, and did expect them, as did coalition forces but Iraq didn't use them.

During the early SCUD attacks on Israel they did sound warnings and the Israeli's prepped for a chemical hit. We had alot of news reports on the safe rooms, the issuing of gas masks, etc. so Israel would be prepared. They did use those preps expecting to be hit with Chems, just like many of our forces did in 1991. It just turned out that they never used Chem warheads.

Still, Israel had a military doctrine that called for retaliation and they fully planned on doing so. They had their Air Force ready to go but since we refused our IFF codes and the risk of "blue on blue" incidents was high, they backed down after some frantic 11th hour diplomacy.

The threat of Chems existed throughout the 1991 war. The U.S. Marines went into Kuwait in Chem gear fully expecting an attack, and news footage from that war had many episodes of air raid sirens blaring and the reporters, whether in Israel or Saudi Arabia, scrambling for a gas mask.

After the war, in an interview with an Iraqi governemnt offical. a reporter asked why Iraq never used their chemical weapons in the war when everyone exected them to do so and the offical answered; (paraphrased) it was decided that it would be unwise to use such weapons against such an enemy.

Before the war the U.S. governemnt floated the idea that the use of nonconventional weapons by Iraq might responded to with nonconventional weapons by our side. The Iraqi's, it seemed, took the idea seriously.
 

Mac

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/18/newsid_4588000/4588486.stm
Initial reports that one of the missiles had a chemical warhead were quickly proved wrong.

Air raid sirens went off again this evening amid fears of a second Scud attack, but they were swiftly followed by an all-clear as it proved to be a false alarm.

Israel has the strongest military forces of any Middle Eastern country, and has said that any attack by Iraq would bring massive "punishment".

The American President, George Bush, issued an appeal to Israel to hold back from retaliation for the attack.

Allied commanders have been ordered to make special sorties to seek out and destroy Iraqi missile sites and mobile launchers which could threaten Israel, and Mr Bush emphasised his determination to protect Israel from further attack.

Emergency meeting

The Israeli Prime Minister, Yitzhak Shamir, called an emergency meeting of the ministerial defence committee of senior ministers and military officers to decide Israel's response.

After the day-long meeting, the Foreign Minister, David Levy, told journalists no decision had yet been taken on whether to retaliate.

"Israel reserves the right to retaliate in the manner and with the scale and method of its own choosing," he said.

Any Israeli military action could break apart the multi-national coalition against Iraq by provoking the Arab members to withdraw their support.

Meanwhile, the Allied air bombardment of Iraqi military targets is continuing at the rate of 2,000 sorties a day.
 

Calm

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Israel bombing Iran

The fact that the airplane pilots were prepared to lose their lives during this bombing raid would indicate that the Jewish folks have suicide bombers too.

Kinda funny, eh? All I hear all day in the media is how demonic Arabs and Muslims are because they have no regard for their own lives when they carry out a suicide bombing.

And .... those Israeli and American military guys who drop cluster bombs from the air which are directed at innocents or civilians on the ground .... are they not the same as a sucide bomber?

Are not those military guys who lay landmines identical to a suicide bomber who aims to kill innocent bystanders?

The only difference I see is that the Israeli or American military guy lives to brag about it.

Calm
 
The fact that the airplane pilots were prepared to lose their lives during this bombing raid would indicate that the Jewish folks have suicide bombers too.

Kinda funny, eh? All I hear all day in the media is how demonic Arabs and Muslims are because they have no regard for their own lives when they carry out a suicide bombing.

And .... those Israeli and American military guys who drop cluster bombs from the air which are directed at innocents or civilians on the ground .... are they not the same as a sucide bomber?

Are not those military guys who lay landmines identical to a suicide bomber who aims to kill innocent bystanders?

The only difference I see is that the Israeli or American military guy lives to brag about it.

Calm


<center>:shk:

You must come from the "French-side"</center>
 
Global Security has reset their Iran Countdown clock to 24 days, 19 Hours, 47 Minutes as of right now.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iran-timeline.htm

Actually Calm;

Right at this moment in time "It is too close call!" Just one small "spark" can/will set it all off. But to count on there being 24 days, 19 hours, 47 minutes. Is being "Pure Polly."

"Rmember" Both Iran and Israel have cards in this "Texas Hold'um" game. Anyone of the parties can push "all their chips" in at any moment.

Personally, I am amazed the Balloon hasn't gone up already.
 

n7ekg

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As for this reported incident a few weeks ago ... uh, no, it is silly. First, Israel would not send a strike package of only three jets.
Unless the mission was yet another probe to see how we would respond. That would certainly not be out of character...

Or it could be part of a plan of plausible deniability, where Israel attacks Iran and the US could say "well, we had stopped Israel many times before, they just happened to slip through this time".
 
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Calm

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My View Of The Middle East Crisis

Here is how I see the crisis in the Middle East ....

America is not chuck full of Mother Teresa's! America did not invade Iraq because it was kind to animal week.

I find it quite amazing that when governments of the West are asked to contribute to job creation or with community projects, it is called socialism. When it is done in Iraq and Afghanistan, it is called Freedom and Democracy!

America is responsible for destroying 20 democratic governments in the past 50 years!

America did not bring the vote to Iraq. In fact, Bush stalled the vote for as long as possible and only held the election after Sistani insisted and threatened to bring 200 thousand demonstrators into the streets.

America has been building an empire for 250 years. The American military is supposedly the best in the world. But, today they would have us all believe that everything that went wrong in Iraq was a mistake. Not at all intentional.

That is a joke!

If we applied the same standards to the American military for the war crimes like The Abu Ghraib Prison Scandal or the killings in Haditha or Mahmoudiya as which was done with Arthur Anderson during the Enron fraud, the American military would be called a "culture of corruption" and would be forced into bankruptcy. There are more incidents of sexual misconduct carried out by the American military in Iraq then any pornography found on the internet, and the government is suggesting that the internet needs "control".

Prior the invasion of Iraq, the Iraqi military was said to be the best in the world. It was said they were the smartest kids on the block and were so smart that they were a threat to the U.S.. Today, the American's would have us all believe that after 3 years, they are unable to train enough Iraqi soldiers to "stand-up". Americans would have us all believe that the Iraqi's can't even tie their own shoe laces. Quite a different storyline from when the U.S. first invaded, eh?

It only takes 6 months to train an American soldier but after three years the American's claim that they are unable to train sufficient military forces in Iraq.

And, when I hear America claim that if the Iraqi's stand-up, America will stand-down .... it is such a joke. Security is the responsibility of the occupying power. For 3 years American's refused to stand-up and provide enough soldiers to ensure security inside of Iraq. Today they play the blame game. Shame on America!

The Iraqi folks will never be able to stand-up so long as the American's refuse to furnish them with proper weapons and armoured vehicles in which to patrol the streets with. They are asking the Iraqi military to patrol with half-ton pickup trucks.

When Bremer and the clowns dismissed the complete Iraqi government, (two-million plus members of the Ba'ath party), they knew full well what would take place. Common sense would tell us that if we removed all government authority or policing from the gang-held areas of Los Angeles, there would be chaos. But, America seems surprised that chaos resulted as they collapsed the complete Iraqi infrastucture and governing authorities immediately after the invasion.

It is better for the u.S. to claim "stupidity" then to admit truth. Easier to hide behind the lies of "mistakes" then to explain the greed for oil.

America was not built upon Free Enterprise, but rather Free Oil.

The Battle for Oil requires the demonization of those who possess the oil. The enemy is characterized as evil, with a view to justifying military action including the mass killing of civilians.

Demonization is applied to an enemy, which possesses three quarters of the world's oil reserves. "Axis of evil", "rogue States", "failed nations", "Islamic terrorists" .... demonization and vilification are the ideological pillar of America's "war on terror". They serve as a casus belli for waging the battle for oil.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20070104&articleId=4347

What They Said

"Oil revenues, which people falsely claim that we want to seize, should be put in a trust fund for the Iraqi people"
--Tony Blair; Moving motion for war with Iraq, 18 March 2003--

"Oil belongs to the Iraqi people; the government has... to be good stewards of that valuable asset "
--George Bush; Press conference, 14 June 2006--

"The oil of the Iraqi people... is their wealth. We did not [invade Iraq] for oil "
--Colin Powell; Press briefing, 10 July 2003--

"Oil revenues of Iraq could bring between $50bn and $100bn in two or three years... [Iraq] can finance its reconstruction"
--Paul Wolfowitz; Deputy Defense Secretary, March 2003--

"By 2010 we will need [a further] 50 million barrels a day. The Middle East, with two-thirds of the oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize lies"
--Dick Cheney; US Vice-President, 1999--
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2132574.ece

Bush's Petro-Cartel Almost Has Iraq's Oil
By Joshua Holland
October 16, 2006
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/43045

After 250 years of building an empire with the greatest and best equipped military in the history of the world, .... today, the U.S. would claim that they are making "mistakes". That is a joke!

US forces have not only unleashed the destruction of Iraq's national identity as a country (its history and cultural heritage), they are also responsible for destroying Iraq's public records. Why did US forces, entering Baghdad provide no protection to the public building with the exception of Iraq's Ministry of Oil headquarters?

This civil war inside Iraq was intentional. America could never conquer Iraq if the Iraqi folks stuck together .... it is important for America to divide the Iraqi people and to have them fighting amongst themselves and thus too busy to fight the Americnans. America has done this many times over the years, especially in Central America. America has 250 years experience.

A Western and Israeli Balance of Power Strategy for the Levant
James Wurmser
1997
"The residual unity of the nation is an illusion projected by the extreme repression of the state." After Saddam, Iraq would "be ripped apart by the politics of warlords, tribes, clans, sects, and key families," he wrote. "Underneath facades of unity enforced by state repression, [Iraq's] politics is defined primarily by tribalism, sectarianism, and gang/clan-like competition." Yet Wurmser explicitly urged the United States and Israel to "expedite" such a collapse. "The issue here is whether the West and Israel can construct a strategy for limiting and expediting the chaotic collapse that will ensue in order to move on to the task of creating a better circumstance."

http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat2.htm

In 1971, CIA officials admitted carrying out more than 21,000 "extra-judicial killings" in its "Phoenix" counter-insurgency operation in Vietnam.

Phoenix Program
From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program

'The Salvador Option'
The Pentagon may put Special-Forces-led assassination or kidnapping teams in Iraq
By Michael Hirsh and John Barry
January 14, 2005
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6802629/site/newsweek

Immediately after the invasion, American troops stood by and watched Iraqi's loot 100 or more weapon depots and did nothing.

Dr. Araji cited the Nida Factory, the Badr General Establishment, Al Ameer, Al Radwan, Al Hatteen, Al Qadisiya and Al Qaqaa. Al Radwan, for example, was a manufacturing plant for the uranium enrichment program, with enormous machine tools for making highly specialized parts, according to the Wisconsin Project. The Nida Factory was implicated in both the nuclear program and the manufacture of Scud missiles.
Iraqi government officials warned the United States and international nuclear inspectors that some 377 tons of those explosives were missing after the invasion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/13/international/middleeast/13loot.html

The Americans even shipped weapons into Iraq and did not even list the serial numbers.

Have 200,000 AK47s Fallen Into The Hands Of Iraq Terrorists?
Fears Over Secret U.S. Arms Shipment
May 10, 2006
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_obj...the-hands-of-iraq-terrorists---name_page.html

U.S. is said to fail in tracking arms for Iraqis
By James Glanz
October 30, 2006
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/30/africa/web.1030weapons.php

When America suggests that they can't build or repair the infrastructure in Iraq, one must only remember that America has succeeded in building 14 military bases and 4 super bases inside Iraq. That America has built the largest embassy in the world. Larger then the Washington Mall .... larger then the Vatican. I often wonder how many soldiers were killed while transporting the materials through enemy lines in order to build the embassy?
http://corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13258

When America talks about troop withdrawls, there is no mention of the 150 thousand private mercenaries inside Iraq. No mention of those "retired" U.S. military fellah's who are grabbing corporate sponsorship monies inside Iraq.
http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/lando/46429

When America claims that they are unable to leave Iraq because the place would fall apart. They are too ashamed to hold a referendum and ask what the Iraqi folks want.

Most Iraqis Want US Troops Out Within a Year
Say US Presence Provoking More Conflict Than it is Preventing
Approval of Attacks on US-led Forces Rises to 6 in 10
Questionnaire/Methodology
September 27, 2006
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/250.php?nid=&id=&pnt=250&lb=hmpg1

America is never leaving Iraq. They intend only to move their forces "over the horizon" and into the new military superbase now being built in Northern Iraq.

America intends to bring the South of Iraq to it's knees and to prevent Iran from financing oil infrastructure improvements within Shiite areas of Iraq. In order for this to succeed, it is necessary for America to impose financial sanctions on Iran and if necessary to use military force against Iran.

How to Start a War
The American Use of War Pretext Incidents (1848-1989)
By Richard Sanders
May 2002
http://victoria.tc.ca/~d.piney/US-War.htm

"One who shelters a terrorist, is a terrorist"
--President George W. Bush--


Declassified CIA and FBI records posted today on the Web by the National Security Archive at George Washington University identify Cuban exile Luis Posada Carriles, who is apparently in Florida seeking asylum, as a former CIA agent and as one of the "engineer" of the 1976 terrorist bombing of Cubana Airlines flight 455 that killed 73 passengers.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB153/index.htm

How 6 million People Were killed in CIA secret wars against third world countries

The Secret Wars Of The CIA:
By John Stockwell
October, 1987
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Stockwell/StockwellCIA87_1.html
(YouTube Video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0tsTTjuxdE
(Windows Media Presentation)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4068.htm

Edit: I removed the link to my blog. (Just to stop the Google/MSN robots.)

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Nice "lot" of research there Calm...

Now, please name the 20 Democratic Governments/nations which the US has destroyed!

I'll start with one of them:

The Democratic Republic of North Vietnamn....
 

MaureenO

Another Infidel
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Nice "lot" of research there Calm...

Now, please name the 20 Democratic Governments/nations which the US has destroyed!

I'll start with one of them:

The Democratic Republic of North Vietnamn....


Dutch, this person is not being disagreeable, he/she has an agenda that is a waste of energy to engage in battle. There are too many important things that need your attention to be distracted by trolling.

You post information that you mine at great time-cost to you. Please continue and side-step this puddle.

Maureen :dstrs:
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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The fact that the airplane pilots were prepared to lose their lives during this bombing raid would indicate that the Jewish folks have suicide bombers too.

Kinda funny, eh? All I hear all day in the media is how demonic Arabs and Muslims are because they have no regard for their own lives when they carry out a suicide bombing.

And .... those Israeli and American military guys who drop cluster bombs from the air which are directed at innocents or civilians on the ground .... are they not the same as a sucide bomber?

Are not those military guys who lay landmines identical to a suicide bomber who aims to kill innocent bystanders?

The only difference I see is that the Israeli or American military guy lives to brag about it.

Calm

That's pretty funny, how you attempt to equate military personnel acting on orders from a lawful chain-of-command with wild-eyed terrorists who simply want to kill anyone they see. Unfortunately, your point is completely fallacious and without merit.
 

Fleataxi

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Dennis: We have a saying on several other forums I used to hang out at about situations like this:

DFTFT!

Fleataxi
 

Desperado

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That's pretty funny, how you attempt to equate military personnel acting on orders from a lawful chain-of-command with wild-eyed terrorists who simply want to kill anyone they see. Unfortunately, your point is completely fallacious and without merit.

Whoa... not so fast
I believe the Japanese had Kamakazi pilots.
In fact they knew they were going to die, their planes used sleds to take off not wheels. They performed rituals much like the Islamic teroris before a mission.
I would call these pilots called suicide bombers. Israeli pilots setting off a nuke to take out American interceptors I would call the same thing. Especially since the nuke is set to an altimeter.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Let me see if I have this right Desperado - You're equating suicide pilots in the Japanese navy, who engaged MILITARY TARGETS, with the raghead suicide bombers? WTF you been smokin? Evidently the same as Calm has been.

I just don't understand the abject ignorance/obtuseness of some people.... :rolleyes:
 

Desperado

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Let me see if I have this right Desperado - You're equating suicide pilots in the Japanese navy, who engaged MILITARY TARGETS, with the raghead suicide bombers? WTF you been smokin? Evidently the same as Calm has been.

I just don't understand the abject ignorance/obtuseness of some people.... :rolleyes:

The target is unimportant. The idea of setting off on a mission with no intentions of coming back pretty much describes Suicide.
The act of blowing yourself up to take out your enemy can be described as a suicide bomber. So yes I equate the two. If a muslim terrorist straps a bomb on his chest and jumps on a Israeli jeep. He detonates the bomb... is he any less a suicide bomber than if he blew himself up on a city bus?
 

Satanta

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Calm, howdy. I can agree with the gist of your second poat-maybe not all of it but it is painfully obvious that the U.S. Govt is screwing the pooch here and abroad.

Your first post I dissagree with totally.

Any soldier-pilot, naval or ground troop must be ready to die. It does not mean they are equated with a group of people that willingly strap on bombs and kill women and children for effect.

Every war has it's innocent casualties.

A Marine placing landmines usually has a set target they are expecting to take out whereas one that sets the IEDs really doesn't care. We dob't pull cars laden with explosives into a crowd and detonate it.

Cluster bombs are not usually dropped into a town but on the battlefield and into enemy encampments.

So yes-there is a major difference between a warrior and a Jihadist.
 

Desperado

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The target is unimportant.

That is the statement of an imbecile...

JMHO

You forgot to answer the question:
If a muslim terrorist straps a bomb on his chest and jumps on a Israeli jeep. He detonates the bomb... is he any less a suicide bomber than if he blew himself up on a city bus?
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Desperado, I'll try and use small words so you can understand.

The Kamikazes were Japanese NAVY AIRMEN who volunteered to attack MILITARY TARGETS specified by their chain-of-command. The fact that they were "suicide pilots" is secondary to the MISSION of attacking MILITARY TARGETS. They were UNIFORMED OFFICERS of the JAPANESE MILITARY, fighting a DECLARED WAR against the USA.

The raghead jihadists attack anyone, be it man, woman or child. They DO NOT CARE about rules-of-engagement or target selection. They want to kill, in order to get their virgins.

The fact that YOU equate the two shows how ignorant you are, unless, that is, you're a jihad sympathizer. Which at the moment is what I think you are. Why don't you fly your lilly-white a$$ over to Iran and "help the cause"....?

Freakin puke... :kk1:
 

Desperado

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The target is unimportant.

That is the statement of an imbecile...

JMHO

The definitions do not qualify suicide bombers by their target.

A suicide bombing is a bomb attack on people or property, committed by a person who knows the explosion will cause his or her own death (see suicide, suicide weapons). Suicide bombing is a kind of tactic planned and organized by extremely committed military or paramilitary groups. This tactic became widely known during Second World War in the Pacific as U.S. ships were attacked by Japanese kamikaze pilots who caused the maximum damage by flying their aircraft into targets. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bombers - Definition in context


http://www.wordwebonline.com/en/SUICIDEBOMBER
Noun: suicide bomber
A terrorist who blows himself up in order to kill or injure other people
Derived forms: suicide bombers
Type of: terrorist
Encyclopedia: Suicide bomber
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Hey Des, if I give YOU a bomb would you do us all a favor and blow your ignorant a$$ up? The world would be far better off...

JMHO
 

Desperado

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Desperado, I'll try and use small words so you can understand......:

We are talking symantics here....
Targets do not define suicide bomber.
Blowing yourself up to kill your enemy does.

Just because the Japense wore uniforms does not change the fact they too were suicide bombers. Were the Japanese more honorable, yes by far... There is no excuse for islamic terrorist blowing up civilians and it is a dispicable act which there can be no justification for.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Targets do not define suicide bomber. Blowing yourself up to kill your enemy does.

Bullsh*t. IMO you are beyond stupid, and into the realm of "black-hole stupid". Not a shread of intelligence makes it out of your head.
 

Nerdling

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If you want to throw logic around then this one is a tougie.

You could argue that the very act of committing such destruction is evil and the pilots are on the same level as suicide bombers...

At the base of the argument they are both setting out to cause death and destruction. Purpose, method, ideology and reasoning are just window dressing.

The act itself is the crime.



Thats the philosophical viewpoint, not necessarily my own. But meh. :)
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
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Nerdling you have that one wrong.


A Kamikaze in WWII was simply guiding his bomb against a MILITAY TARGET. WHICH by DEFINITION wa a FAIR TARGET. Nothing criminal.
Or rather no more criminal than the bombardier of another bomber dropping HIS bombs on the same target.


Suicide bombers are targetting Civilians who are NOT fair targets and THAT IS a crime....
 

Calm

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Hi! Maureen

You Wrote:
Dutch, this person is not being disagreeable, he/she has an agenda that is a waste of energy to engage in battle.

I got no agenda. I've just got a view which I expressed here. I thought forums like these encouraged debate. I think it is you who is being disagreeable. And, I'm a "He".

Hi! The Flying Dutchman

You Wrote:
Now, please name the 20 Democratic Governments/nations which the US has destroyed!

Here are some of the democratic movements subverted by the secret action of the United States:

1948, Italy, the CIA corrupts democratic elections.

1953, Iran, the CIA overthrows the democratic government of Mossadegh and replaces it with the dictatorial Shah.

1954, Guatemala, the CIA overthrows the democratic government of Arbenz.

1958, Hungary, the US incites but then abandons the democratic uprising that is then crushed by the Soviet Union.

1957-1973, Laos, the CIA tries to overthrown the democratic government almost every year, and then failing that, bombs Laos into a country of refugees.

1959, Haiti, the US military installs the murderous dictator “Papa Doc” Duvalier.

1961, Ecuador, the CIA- backed military forces the democratically elected President Velasco to resign.

1961, Zaire, the CIA assassinates democratically elected Patrice Lumumba, leading to four years of chaos.

1963, Dominican Republic, the CIA replaces democratically elected Juan Bosch with a military junta.

1964, Brazil, the CIA overthrows democratically elected Joao Goulart and replaces him with a military junta whose death squads are trained by the CIA.

1965, Indonesia, the CIA over throws the democratically elected Suharto and replaces him with the mass murderer Sukarno, who kills between 500,000 and 1 million civilians with the CIA in the role of informant.

1971, Bolivia, the CIA overthrows President Juan Torres, leaving chaos and terror in his wake.

1973, Argentina, the CIA overthrows the democratic government of Salvador Allende, which is followed by the brutal General Augusto Pinochet.

1974, Australia, the CIA topples the democratic left-leaning government of Edward Whitlam.

1975, Cambodia, the CIA overthrows popular Prince Sihanouk and paves the way for the rise of the murderous Pol Pot regime that kills millions of its own people.

1990, Haiti, the CIA overthrows the popular government of President Aristide.

2002, Venezuela, Coup d'etat against Venezuelan President Chavez

This abbreviated list ignores the US involvement in Korea, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Iraq and many other coups, civil wars, assassinations, and other subversions of democracy, not just abroad but even in the US itself. The list also ignores what's happened in the former Soviet Union and many of it former communist allies where the comfortable narrative of freedom has been marred by the criminality and ugly economic chaos of the new politics.
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Jan05/Rajiva0126.htm

A Century of Interventionism and Regime Change
By Anthony Gregory
January 09, 2007
http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory128.html

U.S. history lesson: stop meddling
In the last 100 years, the U.S. has ousted the governments of at least 14 countries and forcibly intervened in dozens of others -- to what end?
By Stephen Kinzer
May 13, 2006
http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/sf/latimes5_13_06.htm

100 (Plus) Years of Regime Change
George Bush is just the last of a long, long line
By Robert Sherrill
July 14, 2006
http://www.texasobserver.org/article.php?aid=2255

Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq
April 21, 2006
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/21/132247

Author Kinzer Charts 'Century of Regime Change'
Terry Gross Interviews Stephen Kinzer
NPR Fresh Air WHYY
April 05, 2006
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5325069

'All the Shah's Men'
Terry Gross Interviews Stephen Kinzer
NPR Fresh Air WHYY
July 28, 2003
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1357781
 
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Nerdling

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NO
Nerdling you have that one wrong.


A Kamikaze in WWII was simply guiding his bomb against a MILITAY TARGET. WHICH by DEFINITION wa a FAIR TARGET. Nothing criminal.
Or rather no more criminal than the bombardier of another bomber dropping HIS bombs on the same target.


Suicide bombers are targetting Civilians who are NOT fair targets and THAT IS a crime....


But, going back down to basic philosophy and reasoning... killing is never justified.

I understand what you're saying and I agree, but i'm just playing devils advocate. :)
 

oops

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sounds like someone is pulling the same thing young america pulled on britain...simply changed the rules...which changes everything...

oops
 
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