[ECON] LUNAR ECLIPSE STOCK MARKET CRASH ALERT

Spirit Of Truth

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From - http://www.spiritoftruth.org/10000alert2.htm

"Carolan's work, when combined with the insights of stock market analyst Steve Puetz, suggests that between Labor Day and Thanksgiving of 2004 there is an extraordinarily high possibility for a stock market crash and global panic. Puetz discovered that almost all of the largest stock market crashes in history have been 'triggered' by lunar eclipses."

This week a total lunar eclipse will occur visible throughout Norh America:

http://www.space.com/spacewatch/041001_lunar_eclipse.html
 
brihard

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I'd be more worried about the market conditions this coming November, round about the time of the election. I fail to see how lunar phases affect economics that much. :rolleyes:
 

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NoCarrier

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Ok.. I'm very open minded.

But this is ridiculous.

And you want us to believe stories from your *own* site?

I personally don't believe it belongs in the main forum.

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Spirit Of Truth

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God's truth is revealed in mysterious ways.

But here's what matters....on July 4th my Grandmother passed away. I stayed with her through the night and held her hand as she passed....she wanted to hold out untiil the morning of the 4th, her favorite holiday.

My grandmother was known as the "Foxy Lady" given her attractiveness and involvement and role as a ring mistress throughout the country in fox hunting. The night before her funeral, I had to drive up to the house, where I grew up and she lived to gather fox hunting memorabilia for her funeral. Even though I'd never seen one before on the road up to home, that night I had to dodge a beautiful fox standing aside the road on the way there. October 27th, with the full moon and lunar eclipse, is my grandmother's birthday.

I'd just like to wish my Gram a happy birthday in heaven.

Please view her memorial:

http://www.exclamation-points.com/gram/gram256.wmv

God bless...

:usfl:
 
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howdeedoodee

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Spirit, I am sure she got your message. In some ways I cannot wait for my new eternal birthday but in Heaven there is no time so how would I know when it happened or would I even care? Probably not.

If you are going to have a little thread drift, better to drift up if you know what I mean.
 
Ought Six

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Now what do they call those folks who claim to speak for God, to have the sole 'right' interpretation of His Word ??? Oh, yeah.... False prophets.
 
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SCR1

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brihard said:
I'd be more worried about the market conditions this coming November, round about the time of the election. I fail to see how lunar phases affect economics that much. :rolleyes:
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This is the last full week before the election that's why it is significant. Worrying about the market is a waste of time of course, but I agree with SOT that this will be a bad week for the markets, especially if the dollar dumping by other nations continue!
 
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SCR1

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Ought Six said:
Now what do they call those folks who claim to speak for God, to have the sole 'right' interpretation of His Word ??? Oh, yeah.... False prophets.
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Did you even visit the link that SOT had put up, in case you didn't it's full of financial charts of trends in the past making a pretty good case of SOT's 'prediction'.

You seemed to have fixated solely on the ecilpse portion.
 
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Aleph Null

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I approached this with an open mind, because I figured this would be relatively easy to demonstrate with available data. SOT's page led me to Mr. Carolan's page. There I found one part of his thesis, which compares the 1929 and 1987 crashes based on the lunar calendar and shows they occurred on the same lunar date.

The problem is that he only uses those data points. It's just not enough to draw a reasonable conclusion.

"Puetz discovered that almost all of the largest stock market crashes in history have been 'triggered' by lunar eclipses."
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I can't find the basis for this claim, which if true would be interesting.

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Ought Six

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SCR1:

No, I was commenting on someone slapping a veneer of 'God' on a whacky stock market prediction.
 
potemkin

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brihard said:
I'll let this be for now, and get back to you in two weeks, OK?
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Brihard, It should be too hard to make a prediction now how things will turn out.

<i>For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect (Matthew 24:24).

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them." (Matthew 7:15-20)

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Spirit Of Truth

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Aleph Null said:
I approached this with an open mind, because I figured this would be relatively easy to demonstrate with available data. SOT's page led me to Mr. Carolan's page. There I found one part of his thesis, which compares the 1929 and 1987 crashes based on the lunar calendar and shows they occurred on the same lunar date.

The problem is that he only uses those data points. It's just not enough to draw a reasonable conclusion.


I can't find the basis for this claim, which if true would be interesting.

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Consider the following excerpt from Peter Eliades online "Current Observations":


We seldom use much newsletter space for the ideas of others, but the theories we are about to present fit together so well, we believe you will find them as interesting as we do. The two researchers are Steve Puetz (pronounced "pits") and Chris Carolan. Chris just won the 1998 Charles H. Dow Award for his original research and the complete article is offered on his website at http://www.calendarresearch.com . The research by Puetz was first noted in our October 10, 1995 newsletter. Here is what we wrote:


"Puetz attempted to discover if eclipses and market crashes were somehow connected. Without discussing our own opinion on the potential connection between astronomical configurations and market timing, let's simply relate to you the basic findings discussed by Puetz. He emphasized that he is not contending that full moons close to solar eclipses cause market crashes. But he does conclude that a full moon in general and a lunar (eclipse) full moon close to solar eclipses, in particular, seem to be the triggering device that allows for the rapid transformation of investor psychology from manic greed to paranoia. He asks what the odds are that eight of the greatest market crashes in history would accidentally fall within a time period of six days before to three days after a full moon that occurred within six weeks of a solar eclipse? His answer is that for all eight crashes to accidentally fall within the required intervals would be .23 raised to the eighth power less than one chance in 127,000."

". . .Puetz) used eight previous crashes in various markets from the Holland Tulip Mania in 1637 through the Tokyo crash in 1990. He noted that market crashes tend to be lumped near the full moons that are also lunar eclipses. In fact, he states, the greatest number of crashes start after the first full moon after a solar eclipse when that full moon is also a lunar eclipse . . Once the panic starts, Puetz notes, it generally lasts from two to four weeks. The tendency has been for the markets to peak a few days ahead of the full moon, move flat to slightly lower --waiting for the full moon to pass. Then on the day of the full moon or slightly after, the brunt of the crash hits the marketplace."
 
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SOT: I'm interested in seeing Puetz's actual analysis, not someone else's comments about it. Is it available anywhere?

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Ought Six said:
Now what do they call those folks who claim to speak for God, to have the sole 'right' interpretation of His Word ??? Oh, yeah.... False prophets.
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Spirit of Truth, did you claim this crash prediction was from God?
 
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I also can find a great many references to the "observation by Steve Puetz" about crashes following eclipses, but nothing by Puetz directly. Apparently Puetz is one of those market trend-spotters who notices correlations between market behavior and (fill in the blank - woolly bear caterpillars, hemline lengths, lunar eclipses, which league won the World Series, etc.). One mention said Puetz had found a rather hazy such correlation with 8 different "crashes", with "closely following" being rather flexible in timespan, and "crash" being some downward trend. The implied definition of "soon" and "crash" is clear enough in my reading to indicate that Puetz has found a real coincidence, rather than an artifact of rubber definitions.

What I also inferred is that Puetz took some "crashes" and looked for anything that might correlate with them. He did NOT then turn around and see if lunar eclipses predicted crashes very reliably. The logical result of this one-sided examination is that a crash has been an above-average postdiction of a lunar eclipse, but that the eclipse is not necessarily a prediction of a crash.
 
Spirit Of Truth

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Ought Six said:
SCR1:

No, I was commenting on someone slapping a veneer of 'God' on a whacky stock market prediction.
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"whacky stock market prediction"?

Nice.

I believe The Grand Supercycle crash, which implies an ultimate *upset* of prevailing collective expectations in modern, secular society, IS the fulfillment of biblical prophecy, i.e., the Apocalypse from the Book of Revelation.

Indeed, I had an apocalyptic vision associated with my research into the Grand Supercycle crash:

http://www.spiritoftruth.org/truth.htm

Notably, Tom Brokaw was the newscaster involved in the special report of a chemical missile attack on Haifa, Israel I foresaw. Given that Tom retires at the end of November, there is reason to believe the crash that may unfold here is THE crash.....although I personally am quite doubtful. Nevertheless, you never know...
 
Spirit Of Truth

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CrazyStudent said:
Spirit of Truth, did you claim this crash prediction was from God?
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No.

The crash prediction is based upon theories I've formulated regarding the nature of mass psychology and the stock market in connection with astronomic harmonics. I believe God led me to understand the nature of mass psychology and how it is connected with astroharmonics, but the views are fundamentally IMHO.

The only feature of my perspective that I would claim "came from God" is my vision of a chemical missile attack on Haifa, Israel and a subsequent global nuclear war:

http://www.spiritoftruth.org/truth.htm

If Tom Brokaw retires, this would suggest my "vision" was more likely a hallucination than a vision from God....which is quite fine by me since I will be freed of this sense that I'm supposed to 'save the world' and the what not:

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/

Quite frankly, I don't want to have to save the world since this clearly appears to be a futile pursuit. I don't want such a seemingly impossible responsibility. Nevertheless, I'll do what I believe God wants me to achieve this apparently unattainable goal though it may make little sense to me personally.
 
nanna

nanna

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Please note, if one already has liquidity (money not already invested), that crashes present interesting opportunities to make money by buying what other are willing to sell at -any- price.

The US stock market has been crappy since January of this year ... now that everyone and his brother (no insult intended) is talking of high oil prices (that didn't happen overnight), falling US dollar (that didn't happen overnight) and lower US stock prices from constrained profit margins (that didn't happen overnight) ... it may be time to start considering adding risk to a stock portfolio, at least for the short term, aggressive trader.

FWIW


nanna
(this is not investment advice, but opinion, disclaimer)
 
Spirit Of Truth

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Flint said:
The logical result of this one-sided examination is that a crash has been an above-average postdiction of a lunar eclipse, but that the eclipse is not necessarily a prediction of a crash.
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To an extent this conclusion is warranted. There are many lunar eclipses, but very few are associated with stock market crashes. However, of the rare stock market crashes in history, most occurred around the time of lunar eclipses. I don't purport to understand why, buy I'm inherently attracted to the truth and if this is a historical reality, then so be it.

Another historical reality is that the majority of U.S. stock market crashes have occurred during the "fall", especially in October and late-October in particularly. A lunar eclipse in late-October, with the DJIA just breaking below the psychologically critical 10,000 mark, warrants a "stock market crash alert" at the least, IMHO...
 
NoThing

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another schizophrenic hearing and seeing visions from an imagined anthropomorphic diety.

Christ,when will this mind f*cking end or be put away in a SIG of it's own,where the similarly deluded can circle jerk to their hearts content.


EnSo
 
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Aleph Null

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I'm still keeping an open mind on this pending the examination of the data. The coincidence of the 1929 and 1987 crashes is interesting anyway.

EnSo... take a deeeeep breath. And another. There ya go. ;)

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Spirit Of Truth

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NoThing said:
another schizophrenic hearing and seeing visions from an imagined anthropomorphic diety.

Christ,when will this mind f*cking end or be put away in a SIG of it's own,where the similarly deluded can circle jerk to their hearts content.


EnSo
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I see, but another secular fan of Freud's "Future Of An Illusion". I suggest you read Albert Schweitzer's "The Psychiatric Study Of Jesus":

http://home.pcisys.net/~jnf/schauth/rq18.html

Problem is, it wasn't Christ who's insane....it's the species of man....and that's the whole point I'm called upon to convey here:

http://www.spiritoftruth.org/bipolar.htm

http://www.spiritoftruth.org/26seconds.htm
 
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NoThing

At least you asked the correct Person, Christ , (Who knows all things) when this will end.

Even for someone who doesn't beleive ,,,,,,,
 
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http://www.spiritoftruth.org/bipolar.htm

SOT....

I just peeked at this page, where I saw you write this:
In the wake a key Spiral Calendar solar eclipse on December 14th, 2001 and a reversal in the DJIA below the psychologically critical 10,000 mark last week, a dramatic collapse in mass mood should occur. This "Elliott Wave Grand Supercycle crash" will likely manifest as a series of international crises that could ultimately involve a violent end to U.S. global hegemony, the collapse of Western civilization, and the fulfillment of apocalyptic religious prophecies.
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Is the best you can do with your calendar/eclipse analysis?

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NoThing

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SOT

I suggest you read Julian Jaynes "The Origins of Conciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind",
so that you may know where the affliction that you entertain and support comes from.

It is an aberration not a blessing.

and......
I used christ pejoratively,as all who know they are ONE are christs.


EnSo
 
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Shock Wave Rider

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Spirit of Truth... you have to be a tough skinned "saint" to last on this board. Don't take anything they say serious!

:lol:

Thanks for the post. For less hysteria from the flat landers you might try putting threads like this in Unexplained.

tb2k'ers are all a little :screw: but they don't know it.

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bw3

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May I suggest Dr. Seuss' "Hop On Pop" for a more realistic view of the mind. Jaynes is a moron who is ridiculed amongst his peers as sophist who would make up any crap just to be heard. I find it easy to tag those who don't believe and then spend most of their waking lives trying to disprove a God. He should let it go, or is something gnawing at Mr. Jaynes
 
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No one is investing in the market until after the election anyway....so the market should continue to drift down....and with the oil, Iraq, possible Iran, the possible replacement of the dollar with the euro for interneational oil payments (esp. since the Middle East does most of their shopping in Europe),....etc....no trader is interested in getting in this market, until all the heavy concerns are lifted....the PPT pumped the market last year...and are letting it drift back down now....gold is finally breaking out like oil did a few months ago...the big tech stocks have become typical S&P 100 stocks and don't deserve PE's higher than 15....should other than Joe and Jane Citzen investing in their mutual funds or 401K's...no one is interested in most American stocks....
 
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Spirit Of Truth said:
No.

The crash prediction is based upon theories I've formulated regarding the nature of mass psychology and the stock market in connection with astronomic harmonics. I believe God led me to understand the nature of mass psychology and how it is connected with astroharmonics, but the views are fundamentally IMHO.

The only feature of my perspective that I would claim "came from God" is my vision of a chemical missile attack on Haifa, Israel and a subsequent global nuclear war:

http://www.spiritoftruth.org/truth.htm

If Tom Brokaw retires, this would suggest my "vision" was more likely a hallucination than a vision from God....which is quite fine by me since I will be freed of this sense that I'm supposed to 'save the world' and the what not:

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/

Quite frankly, I don't want to have to save the world since this clearly appears to be a futile pursuit. I don't want such a seemingly impossible responsibility. Nevertheless, I'll do what I believe God wants me to achieve this apparently unattainable goal though it may make little sense to me personally.
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I encourage you to post your opinions. And do not be discouraged by presumptuous opinions, especially those who misrepresent what you tried to say and discredit it out of their own skewed perceptions.

We don't all have to agree.
 
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Spirit Of Truth

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Aleph Null said:

http://www.spiritoftruth.org/bipolar.htm

SOT....

I just peeked at this page, where I saw you write this:


Is the best you can do with your calendar/eclipse analysis?

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This is true my secular human fanatacist...

Just reapply it to the current juncture.

The critical Spiral Calendar anniversary was October 1st as you will ascertain by examining Chris Carolan's work over the part several years. In recent weeks the DJIA has again broken below the critical 10,000 mark. Now let's see what historically unfolds in the mind of our bipolar patient, man...
 
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Just reapply it to the current juncture.

So.. your careful analysis told you the world was going to end in late 2001. Since that was completely wrong, you just take the exact same prediction and apply it now.

I guess you'll do the same thing in 2007 too, hmm? That's the great thing about forecasting apocalypses, there's always another one around the corner. ;)

Sorry, gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you've used up your dime.

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Herbmountain

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SOT. Im reading a book right now that is explaining the same thing but with sun spots. And he also refers to Edgar Cayce prognostications of the 25 year cycle. He said that when the sunspots reach 200 and then start slowly declining,things happen. He tracked all the way back and found that wars broke out, stock market plunged and more. Is this also what you believe? Im very interested.
 
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