Acetone In Fuel Said to Increase Mileage 15-35%

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http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
Acetone In Fuel Said to Increase Mileage 15-35%

Readily-available chemical added to gas tank in small proportion improves the fuel's ability to vaporize completely by reducing the surface tension that inhibits vaporization of some fuel droplets.

by Louis LaPointe
Adapted by Sterling D. Allan and Mary-Sue Haliburton
with LaPointe's permission for Pure Energy Systems News


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Acetone (CH3COCH3), also called dimethylketone or propanone, is a product that can be purchased inexpensively in most locations around the world, such as in the common hardware store. Added to the fuel tank in tiny amounts, acetone aids in the vaporization of the gasoline or diesel, increasing fuel efficiency, engine longevity, and performance -- as well as reducing hydrocarbon emissions.

How it Works

Complete vaporization of fuel is far from perfect in today's cars. A certain amount of fuel in most engines remains liquid in the hot chamber. In order to become a true gas and be fully combusted, fuel must undergo a phase change.

Surface tension presents an obstacle to vaporization. For instance the energy barrier from surface tension can sometimes force water to reach 300 degrees Fahrenheit before it vaporizes. Similarly with gasoline.

Acetone drastically reduces the surface tension. Most fuel molecules are sluggish with respect to their natural frequency. Acetone has an inherent molecular vibration that "stirs up" the fuel molecules, to break the surface tension. This results in a more complete vaporization with other factors remaining the same. More complete vaporization means less wasted fuel, hence the increased gas mileage from the increased thermal efficiency.

That excess fuel was formerly wasted past the rings or sent out the tailpipe but when mixed with acetone it gets burned.

Acetone allows gasoline to behave more like the ideal automotive fuel which is PROPANE. The degree of improved mileage depends on how much unburned fuel you are presently wasting. You might gain 15 to 35-percent better economy from the use of acetone. Sometimes even more.

How Much to Use

Add in tiny amounts from about one part per 5000 to one part per 500, depending on the vehicle -- just a few ounces per ten gallons of gas. This comes to between 0.075% and 0.350% acetone



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Figure 1:
Percentage MILEAGE GAIN when a tiny amount of acetone is added to fuel. The curves A B C show the effect on three different cars using different gasolines. Some engines respond better than others to acetone. The D curve is for diesel fuel. Too much acetone will decrease mileage slightly due to adding too much octane to the fuel. Too much also upsets the mixture ratio because acetone (like alcohol) is a light molecule.

After you find the right amount for your car per ten gallons, and you are happy with your newfound mileage, you might want to try stopping the use of acetone for a couple of tanks. Watch the drop in mileage. It will amaze you. That reverse technique is one of the biggest eye openers concerning the use of acetone in fuel.

In a 10-gallon tank of gasoline, use two to three ounces of pure acetone to obtain excellent mileage improvements. In a ten-gallon tank of diesel fuel, use from 1 to 2 ounces of acetone. Performance goes too. Use about a teaspoon of acetone in the fuel tank of a lawnmower or snowblower.

Where to Get Acetone

The pure acetone label is the only additive suggested and is easily available from most stores in 16-ounce plastic bottles and in one-gallon containers from some large farm supply stores. But any acetone source is better than none. Containers labeled acetonefrom a hardware store are usually okay and pure enough to put in your fuel. We prefer cans or bottles that say 100-percent pure. The acetone in gallons or pints we get from Fleet Farm are labeled 100% pure. The bottles from Walgreen say 100% pure. Never use solvents such as paint thinners or unknown stuff in your gas. Toluene, benzene and xylene are okay if they are pure but may not raise mileage except when mixed with acetone.

Adding Acetone to Your Tank

When you fill up with fuel, note the number of gallons added, then calculate the right amount of acetone to add.

Some stores sell acetone in metal cans of various sizes, which are safe to keep indoors. However, it is difficult to pour from these cans, which have a flat top and short neck from which spillage is inevitable. In any case, while handling acetone, you should be wearing rubber gloves.

One option is to get a small graduated cylinder (available from science supplies store or some pharmacies). The small ones have larger intervals between markings so that it is easier to fill them to the level desired. The narrow cylinder can be held to the neck of the can to catch all drips. Then from the cylinder you can pour neatly into the tank. The small pouring spout suitable for laboratories prevents drips onto the paint.

Being etched with neat lines at each milliliter, these graduated cylinders are also good for measuring precise amounts -- in ounces or milliliters.

Additional Benefits

In addition to increased mileage acetone added to fuel boasts other benefits such as increased power, engine life, and performance. Less unburned fuel going past the rings keeps the rings and engine oil in far better condition.

A tiny bit of acetone in diesel fuel can stop the black smoke when the rack is all the way at full throttle. You will notice that the exhaust soot will be greatly reduced.

Acetone can reduce hydrocarbon emissions up to 60 percent. In some older cars, the HC readings with acetone went from say 440 PPM to 195, as just one example. Though mileage gains taper off with too much acetone, hydrocarbon emissions are nevertheless greatly reduced. Pure acetone is an extremely clean burning fuel that burns in air with a pretty blue, smokeless flame.

Acetone reduces the formation of water-ice crystals in below-zero weather which damage the fuel filter.

There are no known bad effects and every good reason to use acetone in your fuel. I have never seen a problem with acetone, and I have used ACETONE in gasoline and diesel fuel and in jet fuel (JP-4) for 50 years. I have rigorously tested fuels independently and am considered an authority on this important subject.

Cautions

Keep acetone away from painted surfaces, such as the paint on your car under the gas tank opening. Acetone is the key ingredient in paint remover. In addition to paint, fuels, including acetone, can also dissolve asphalt and most plastics.

Never allow skin contact with it. It can damage clothing as well. Don't breathe it. Keep children away from all dangerous chemicals. Read the directions on the container.

Acetone is a highly flammable liquid. Do not expose it near a flame or spark. Acetone should be stored outside, with proper ventilation, not inside your house. Gasoline and/or acetone will dissolve cheap plastics, so be sure the container you store it in will not deteriorate.

Solvents that can evaporate through plastics (which are, after all, derived from hydrocarbons) should not be stored in any such permeable materials. Keeping a plastic bottle inside the car, especially the SUV or wagon type without a trunk, could expose driver and passengers to small amounts of fumes evaporating through the plastic – unless you always drive with windows open.

No Issues with the Engine

I have soaked carburetor parts in acetone for months and even years to see if there is any deterioration. Any parts made to run with gasoline will work with acetone just fine.

Contrast with Alcohol

In contrast, alcohol has been shown to be corrosive in an engine, yet they put THAT into gasoline. Alcohol in general is anti-mileage. Alcohol is no good in fuels. In Brazil, millions of engines and fuel systems were ruined by alcohol.

Furthermore, alcohol increases surface tension, producing the opposite effect from acetone. Alcohol in fuel attracts water. This hurts mileage because water acts like a fire extinguisher. Some cars may run badly and even quit due to the incombustible nature of the water-laden fuel. We know of a dozen cars that recently stopped running due to water in the alcohol and gas mixture.

In below-zero weather, the water and alcohol form abrasive, icy particles that can damage fuel pumps.

Hasn't Been Warmly Received

Questions asked of someone in the petroleum industry regarding ACETONE will often automatically trigger a string of negative reactions and perhaps false assertions. We may have heard them all. The mere mention of this additive represents such a threat to oil profits that you may get fabricated denials against the successful use of acetone in fuels.

The author has never found any valid reason for not using acetone in gasoline or diesel fuel. Plus it takes such a tiny amount to work. No wonder they fear this additive.

Political Action

You might Email this article to your government representative. After sufficient data has been collected, and that data supports the conclusions presented here, ACETONE should be ordered by Federal Law to be present in all fuels. While you're at it, request that vehicles be equipped with a MPG read-out to make it easier for consumers to know what is and is not working to improve their mileage.

If You Want to Do Independent Testing

For those of you who like to see the data yourself, there is a great little device available to check your exact gas mileage and more. See ScanGauge.com for an instrument that fits any car1996 or newer. It measures your real-time MPG, inlet temperature and many more details as you drive. This inexpensive tool should end a lot of debate over what works for mileage and what does not. We use the TRIP function to average the MPG at a steady 50 MPH both ways.

Since the fuel from every gas station is different from the next, the MPG performance will also vary. Then there exist a wide variety of additive choices at the terminals that affect quality. Also other variables in the cars performance such as warm external temperature versus cold external temperature, using the AC or not, headlights or not, incline of drive, etc. Try to eliminate as many of these variable as possible in your comparative testing.

Be consistent where you buy your gasoline because different gasolines vary tremendously. The best gas and the worst gas in your neighborhood will likely have a 30-percent spread in mileage. Same for diesel fuel. (In my experience with repeated test results, I have found that Texaco, Chevron and Canadian Shell deliver excellent gasoline mileage.) Try to keep down the number of variables wherever you gas up by using the same station, same pump, same grade or same octane before testing.

Incidentally, in almost all cases, the lowest octane is best for mileage. Most modern vehicles do not have high enough compression to justify using high octane fuels. The testing indicates best mileage is usually obtained with 85 or 87 octane gasoline. Too much octane causes a loss of power and economy. BUT too little octane causes the same things plus knocking. Listen carefully to your engine for tell-tale knocks or clicks when you start out from a light. The best mileage points to the correct octane when the engine is properly tuned.

The ScanGauge enables you to notice these difference and then see the difference with and without acetone added in various proportions.

Report Your Findings

PES Network Inc. has created an index page at PESWiki where you can report your findings. PESWiki is a publicly editable website where you can post a summary of your results, or create a full page, with all the details you wish to report, with images and links to video or spreadsheet data.

Other Additives Exist

There are of course other additives that improve mileage (which also have had less than a favorable reception by the petroleum industry). Certain octane improvers for example also aid mileage. We recently proved that Carb Medic from Gunk can raise mileage when 3 oz. are used with 2 oz. of acetone per 10 gallons of gasoline, even in cold weather.

Many products claiming to improve mileage are expensive and do not really help much. Others are fakes. For instance, a smooth flow of air into a carburetor or injector is far better for mileage than turbulent air. Yet many people deliberately introduce turbulent air into their engines. There are many silly myths floating around the car industry to fool the average person. Another is that cold intake air improves mileage. NO. Warm air improves mileage.

Test for yourself. Take a mileage check for each and every tank of gas or diesel fuel like we do. Your actual mileage is NOT that of a single tank full but the average of perhaps five tanks. To be accurate, you should not miss any checks. This takes discipline to get reliable results. Someday your car will do it for you with an MPG gauge on the dash. But for now, YOU ought to keep tabs on your mileage for all our sakes.

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SOURCES

The above story was adapted with permission from a story reported at:
http://www.lubedev.com/smartgas/additive.htm

Follow-up

From: Louis LaPointe
March 19, 2005

Something that might be added:

In early 2004, a SmartGas reader named Dave in New York State filled three bottles with: pure acetone, half acetone/ half gasoline and straight gasoline. Into these he placed O-rings, pump diaphragms, plastic fittings, hose parts and other neoprene/n-buna stuff. He duped my experiments from back in the 50s. Months later he told me the pure acetone bottle was slightly darkened. Dave had carefully marked all the parts beforehand. He dried the parts to mike them again and noted after six months that the growth was about one-percent to two-percent in all the bottles, which was well within limits. Almost unnoticeable. He put the stuff back into the respective bottles where it may still be today. Dave has a background in physics and engineering.

He believes that everyone should do their own testing and not listen to the prejudiced opinions or words of others. There is way too much misinformation out there.

When I use acetone, I often add one of several other mileage additives into my 16 oz. Walgreen's plastic acetone bottle which stays in the trunk so as not to carry a large quantity container in case I get rear-ended. I am building a dyno facility to further test all the mileage additives and get perfect mixture figures to appear on the site this summer, I hope. Meanwhile the ScanGauge is being used daily by numerous persons across the U.S. running acetone and various carefully devised mixes and lubricants. Some oils can improve mileage substantially, notably Torco Oil.

Using the ScanGauge at 50MPH, my best mileage was 48-52 in my Neon a few weeks ago. Then I stopped the acetone to do some reverse testing. The next four tanks of the same Texaco gas showed 42-43, 37-38, 33-34, 30-31. No acetone when each tank was filled at half full. The drop was about 20 MPG overall.

The other person with me each time wrote down the results.

I am finishing a science article on the SmartGas.net site tonight--how to go about testing.

It concerns induction and the Scientific Method.

Thanks, Lou LaPointe

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cooter

cantankerous old coot
acetone,,,,,nothing new,,,,,,

old race bike trick,,,,,it DOES make a difference,,,,,,,,,,, ;) :D
 

Tweakette

Irrelevant
So when my sister and I, as children, used to set nail polish remover on fire in the upstairs bathroom sink we were on to something :lol: ....

Tweak
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I used to have a ring magnet on the fuel line of my '89 T-bird, which I carefully tested and got an improvement of 21% MPG. What I find very interesting in this post is that many of the benefits and actions of the acetone appear to be very similar to the actions of the magnet. mfr claimed that it dispersed fuel better, that it is 'clumped' as it sits in your tank. And, I tested at an emissions shop, and my hydrocarbon output did drop quite a bit. I left the magnet on when I sold the T-bird(mistake; we loved that car), but I may very well try acetone. This also sounds like something I heard once, that mothballs helped. I suspect there might be some acetone in there!
 

blackjeep

The end times are here.
There are a few products out there that claim better gas mileage through alleviating surface tension and changing the WAY gas burns. Acetone is by far the cheapest way to get it done.

I'm game! Great post when everyone with a brain is trying to get more out of every gallon of gas.
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
Trivium Pursuit said:
This also sounds like something I heard once, that mothballs helped. I suspect there might be some acetone in there!

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the interaction between mothballs and gasoline is akin to tossing a match down the filler tube.

RR
 

Oilpatch Hand

3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
Keep acetone away from painted surfaces, such as the paint on your car under the gas tank opening. Acetone is the key ingredient in paint remover. In addition to paint, fuels, including acetone, can also dissolve asphalt and most plastics.

Including the rubber/plastic parts of the fuel system (gaskets, filter casings, hoses, etc.) This is the primary caution against using acetone as a fuel additive.

This may not be as good an idea as Mr. LaPointe thinks.
 
"Including the rubber/plastic parts of the fuel system (gaskets, filter casings, hoses, etc.) This is the primary caution against using acetone as a fuel additive.

This may not be as good an idea as Mr. LaPointe thinks."

but if acetone is in nailpolish remover..... and it comes in plastic bottles..... it doesnt dissolve the plastic.
?????????
 

Charlie

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Oilpatch Hand said:
Including the rubber/plastic parts of the fuel system (gaskets, filter casings, hoses, etc.) This is the primary caution against using acetone as a fuel additive.

This may not be as good an idea as Mr. LaPointe thinks.

Good point. Could do interesting things to fuel injectors, etc. We need our "Click and Clacks" i.e. OddOne, etc. to weigh in on this one.

I gobbed up my lawnmowers, weed whackers, etc. one time using the wrong kind of winter de-icer in gasoline. I had to rebuild several carbs in some of my small engines. It was a big mistake I will never make again.
 

Oilpatch Hand

3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
mountain_huckleberry said:
"Including the rubber/plastic parts of the fuel system (gaskets, filter casings, hoses, etc.) This is the primary caution against using acetone as a fuel additive.

This may not be as good an idea as Mr. LaPointe thinks."

but if acetone is in nailpolish remover..... and it comes in plastic bottles..... it doesnt dissolve the plastic.
?????????

Some plastics aren't as easily dissolved by acetone, I guess. There are hundreds of thousands of different varieties of plastic, after all. A few are acetone-resistant, and others will dissolve in acetone like sugar in boiling water.

Rubber hoses and gaskets, however, appear to be a different matter, judging from other things I've read. Most of those won't be made of the same plastic as that in the nail polish remover bottle, and for my own part, I'm not willing to take a chance on whether acetone as a fuel additive will eat holes in my fuel system.

Your mileage, however (how apropos!) may vary... :lol:

FWIW.
 
Quote from article:

<b>No Issues with the Engine</b>

I have soaked carburetor parts in acetone for months and even years to see if there is any deterioration. Any parts made to run with gasoline will work with acetone just fine.

cooter further notes:

old race bike trick,,,,,it DOES make a difference,,,,,,,,,,,

FWIW


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Green Co.

Veteran Member
My favorite fuel additive is Berryman B-12 Chemtool, which contains acetone. I use it at every oil change, perhaps it has contributed to the longevity, 375K miles.

Most fuel injection systems use steel lines to handle the increased fuel pressures. I was initially worried about the plastic tipped fuel injectors in gasoline engines, but have had no problems, so far.
 

Mercury3

Veteran Member
Nevermind I'll do some research before I say anything.

I just don't think I'd be willing to try that on one of my new cars. Perhaps it'd be better to experiment on an older clunker.
 

Texas Writer

Veteran Member
A question, guys. Would you put acetone in a high-performance engine? The book for my truck says never put any additive in the oil or gasoline. And, I have to use premium.

I would love better mileage, but not if I risk ruining the engine.
 

Swampthing

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My Bronco get 14mpg and pouring acetone may get me 3 more mpg but it may also eat the rings?......hmmnnnn......Think I'll stick with my 14mpg and be happy.
 

stillprepping

Membership Revoked
"it may also eat the rings?......"

first of all, your rings are pretty rugged materials and almost certainly wont get 'eaten' by diluted acetone.

second, at a dilution of 2 oz/10 gal, you're talking minute quantities.

if you're intent on worrying about your engines, i'd say theres a lot worse things than acetone.
 

Rattlehead

did someone say BBQ?
[font=Verdana,Arial] Acetone allows gasoline to behave more like the ideal automotive fuel which is PROPANE.
I think Hank would agree:

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Oilpatch Hand

3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
Green Co.:

If you're using B-12 Chemtool (with acetone) and have noticed no problems, then maybe the problem I highlighted is overstated. As stillprepping pointed out, the recommended concentration of acetone in the tank is minute. I was merely highlighting a concern expressed on other Web pages regarding the use of acetone as a fuel additive.
 

cooter

cantankerous old coot
one thing I wish to clairfy,,,,,,,

when we used acetone, it was not a everyday thing,,,,,and it was in the bikes from the 70s,,,,,bultacos, yamaha, and hondas,2 strokers,,,and that gas never sat in the tanks very long, it was added that day and ran out that day,,,,,,,,,but it did make a difference on who was who on the first turn,,,,,,,, ;)

then there was blendzall,with nitro,,,,,:groucho:

on any carb that has diaphrams,,,,,like chain saws, weed eaters ect,,,,,,,I would be hesitant,,,since the diaphrams are very thin,,,and dunno as to sensitivity to solvents-acetone,,,,,

as to a car, in the diluted mix,,,and the volume of gas,,,,,I would tend to think it wont hurt a car engine,,,,as a once in a while additive,,,,,,and Im talking a normal everyday motor,,,,,,not one thats been breathed on,,,whole nother world there,,,,,, ;) :groucho:
 

Green Co.

Veteran Member
Trivium Pursuit...I buy the stuff by the case, & was unable to locate it on their website, though the new "premium" gas treatment appears to be the same. The old product was simply Berryman B-12 Chemtool, in a white, red & blue 16oz round steel can.

I have always mixed it at approx 1oz per gallon of gas in the pickups & autos, only using it once every 3k miles at oil changes. The can says it can be used in the motor oil, but there is also a warning against using it this way in high mileage/dirty engines.

I also use the stuff in gasoline in my garden tractor, push mower, Miller welding machine, etc. But, only about 1oz per gallon in the spring, to clean things up.

I've been using this stuff since about 1967, *it will remove paint from autos* My wife can attest as she spilled some on one of her vehicles many years ago...

The vehicle referenced in the first post is a 99 Chevy C2500 p/up, 350CI engine. From day 1, fuel mpg has averaged 15.7

OPH...I worried also when fuel injection became the norm, & called the 800 number on the can. They said no problems with the type of plastics used in the injectors. I have found this to be true. And, to be fair, the first two ingredients listed are Toluene & methanol, (acetone) followed by mixed xylenes, MEK, & isopropanol. No listing of %'s, of course...proprietary I presume.

I expected to see benzene, but none listed.
 

Charlie

Membership Revoked
My Generac 15 KW 1600 RPM 4 cyl runs on propane. When I change the oil, it always looks like brand new. Burns very clean. I save the oil and mix it 50/50 with chain lube for my chain saw.

The electrician who installed it for me said that it will probably be there for my grandkids with proper maintenance.

The engine in it is the same one used in many Mazda automobiles.
 

Synap

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Acetone is a common ingredient in carburator cleaners..used in almost full strength..usually in combination with Tuluene or ethanol. Excellent dissolver of petroleum gummies. It does not harm small engine diaphams in my experience.

In the minute application of a coupla ounces to 10 gallons, you would not even see this "cleaning" action. Altho it may retard further buildup of the gummies I suppose. That would take some rigorous long-term testing to prove.

However, if you were to pour a large amount into your gas tank, besides the potential of engine pre-detonation (you'd need to adjust timing), older cars may well have problems in their fuel filters as accumulated dirt chunks are possibly dislodged from the tank and fuel line gummies.
 

OddOne

< Yes, I do look like that.
I dunno... Not sure how the emissions-control portion of modern cars (catalytic converter, oxygen sensors, EGR system, etc.) will handle the addition of acetone to fuel.

Seems a bit risky to try this on a fuel-injected machine. WAY more things you can break and WAY more way to break 'em.

oO
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I had concerns about the fact that my Honda Accord, being Japanese, I thought would have lots of lightweight plastic components that the additive might harm. I posed this question to the writer of the article. He responded, and gave his permission to post his response here:

/begin response
The comment you quoted is also true of gasoline. Usually what can exist with gasoline is also true of acetone. Keep in mind that acetone is used at 1/20 of one percent. To test with parts with pure acetone is unrealistic. I now test parts at one-percent and ten-percent acetone. People all over the world have told me they have no problem with acetone as recommended. What works okay with gasoline is okay with acetone in the recommended amount. One to three oz. per ten gallons. When I test at one-percent, that is 20 times the suggested amount to run in a car. The Japanese plastics are the most stable in the world. Maybe they had cheap plastics in the 50s but not now. Their quality is better than American cars. Not one person has ever complained. That is the truth.
The real concern is your fuel filter with weird additives. But I have tested these too.
Thanks, Lou
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dieseltrooper

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I got a response from a question I posted at 4x4wire.com. Not about acetone, but about oil consumption on a truck that hadn't run in two years...

setting for 2 years.....seems like gum and garnishes would be a prob....means that the injectors might not be spraying as nice....in which case maybe some acetone in the tank would fix that(4oz).......and some varnish on the rings......I bet you would be safe to put a quart of atf in the oil to help that.
So, I put some in the tank and I'll check back next tank.
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timbo

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I've been lurking on this thread since it started and decided after some more research on the 'net that I would try it as well........at $1.24 for reg. I thought I might as well go in for the pound and the penny both.

I have a 2000 PT Cruiser with the small 4 banger and if you know the car,it aint the hottest off the line but a good reliable vehicle. I get about 20 MPG on a regular basis and have done so for the 3+ years I've owned it. It jumps to a good 25 MPG when I use it on trips on the xway system.

DW has a 99 Explorer and gets about 14 MPG on a regular basis. If we could just jump up our mileage by 15% it would be worth all the hassle of this.

We are still both on the first tank,so I'll keep my mouth(and keyboard) shut until I can give results.
Thanks for the original posting on this.....it at least gives me hope to try something!
 

Christian for Israel

Knight of Jerusalem
i'm joining the club too. got an '86 dodge caravan with a 2.6 L 4 cyl. town mileage is 15 and hway is 20. i'll report back in a month or so (after a trip up and back to great falls the first of may).

edit to add: put 4 oz in 15 gallons to fill my van up this afternoon.
 
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Bobga

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My old '88 Nissan 200sx routinely gets 26 to 30 mpg depending on weather, how I drive, using A/C, etc. I have been eyeballing this acetone thing since I ran across the original article a while back.

I just put in a can of STP fuel system treatment day before yesterday after a fillup. It was an afterthought, but I had it on the shelf in the shed, so used it.

I noticed yesterday that the idle had picked up a little, probably due to some cleaning.

I think I will wait until I need another fillup before going to the acetone. I can also check the mileage to see if the cleaner improved anything.

I'll report back on that, and then on the acetone project next.

That make take a while as many weeks I only accumulate 60 or 80 miles, mostly highway speeds.

Bobga
 
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