HEALTH Samucol (Black Elderberry Syrup) Really Works!!!!

lafrteacher

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I was getting sick Monday morning...had to leave work because I was feeling so bad. Swollen lymph nodes, stiffness, aches, fever, awful headache, shakes, and dizziness. By Monday night, I was laid out! I started Sambucol then, 2 tsp. every 6 hours. I felt good enough to go to work today, and I am feeling better with each dose.

Who would think that a berry syrup would work against a nasty virus?!!! :D
 

lafrteacher

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It's a black elderberry syrup made in Israel.
Here's some info from
www.blackelderberry.info

Effective in the treatment of flu

Research data from studies around the world have proven black elderberry extract to be effective in shortening the duration of influenza A and B. Below are some research highlights:

* 1995 (Zakay-Rones)- A double blind placebo controlled study was conducted during an outbreak of influenza B Panama. 93.3% of the cases treated with black elderberry compound saw a significant improvement of the symptoms. A complete cure was achieved within 2 to 3 days in nearly 90% of those treated with the black elderberry extract within two-three days, three days less than the placebo group.
* 2001 – (Barak, Halperin and Kalickman) 2 in-vitro studies have shown that extracts from black elderberry were beneficial to the stimulation of the immune system.
* 2004 –( Zakay-Rones) In a randomized, double blind, placebo controlled study, black elderberry extract was shown to significantly reduce the duration of the flu by around four days. Significantly less people who were taking the extract took pain relievers compared to the placebo group.
* 2005 –(Balasingham ) During an in-vitro study carried out in London, black elderberry extract was found to be at least 99% effective against the H5N1 strain otherwise known as Avian Bird Flu.

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Understanding Antivirin

Treating Viruses

Studies have shown that taking a supplement containing black elderberry may be beneficial to help boost the immune system at times when it may be weakened, such as when suffering with a cold, flu or other viruses. A study using an elderberry extract (Zakay-Rones 1995) showed inhibition of several flu viruses in vitro.

An Antiviral Agent - ‘Antivirin’

Viruses are unable to multiply on their own and need to be inside healthy cells to do so. To help them enter a cell some viruses are coated with haemagglutinin spikes. Black Elderberry Extract is believed to contain an antiviral agent, ‘Antivirin’ which can help neutralise the activity of the haemagglutinin spikes. When these spikes are deactivated the viruses can no longer pierce cell walls to enter the cell and replicate.

(diagram showing how Sambucol protect cells)

Elderberries are particularly rich in flavonoids, in particular anthocyanins. These act as powerful antioxidants to help the immune system defend itself.

Anthocyanins are found in the pigment of purple, dark blue and red fruits such as the black elderberry. Elderberries contain higher flavonoid content than other fruits including cranberries, blackcurrants and blackberries and almost 5 times the anthocyanins content of blueberries.

Due to the high anthocyanin content, the black elderberry has powerful antioxidant properties to also help attack the viruses."
 

Moggy

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Sambucol was bought by a French company, who changed the original formula...it is no longer made in Israel.

Moggy
 

Floratrek

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lafrteacher, My family has used it for over 10 years. When I first read about it
I stopped making elderberry wine, and gathered ripe ones from the roadsides, now, every sunny spot here has them growing. I have jam, tincture, wine and canned, for when we are under that "codex magica" law. That's if it continues
to be legal to grow! Thank you for posting the research.
 

JM8174

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I have read several reports that the homemade elderberry tincture will work almost as well as this stuff which is a little expensive. A one pound bag of dried elderberries will make 3 quarts of tincture and its very easy to make. Take the one pound of berries and divide them into thirds. Place each third in a quart canning jar and fill to the top with vodka (the cheap stuff will do just fine). Let sit for 2 weeks with a daily shake of the bottles. Take 2 tablespoons up to 3-4 times per day. With the vodka you use, you will either get well quick or not care.
 

lafrteacher

Inactive
How do you know that it did anything?

A doubting Thomas, huh? ;)

I can only speak from my experience.
My symptoms matched the flu symptoms that everyone at my school has had.
Average duration of misery for them: 7-14 days.
My duration: 48 hours, improving with every dose.

My son is recovering quickly, too, and his symptoms were more advanced than mine. He was on day 3 when we started the Sambucol, and at day 5, has only a slight cough.

You can choose to believe or not; the only way to know is to try it out yourself. I don't know how it would do in a pandemic, but it seemed to work for the common flu virus in my case.
 
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Mzkitty

I give up.
Oh it works! Tuesday morning I woke up all shivery, shaky, and freezing -- after sleeping that night under my electric blanket. I was also quite nauseous. I couldn't go to work. So I went back to bed and took a big swallow of my Sambucol. I felt fine this morning and went back to work. Stuff is great!
I don't think we have elderberries around here that I know of, or I'd make my own.

A friend of mine started last week with the sore throat and it turned into the head/chest thing. She's already missed 3 days of work and is still hacking. Didn't take Sambucol, although I've told her to buy it countless times.

Do they listen? No.......................

:)

ETA: I get my Sambucol at either CVS or Wegmans. I looked in Walmart and they don't carry it.
 

lafrteacher

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Rite Aid, CVS, and Walgreens carry it, although they don't stock much. Sometimes, I have them special-order it for me. Usually, it's on the cold medicine aisle.

$12.99 for 4 oz. at CVS.
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
A doubting Thomas, huh? ;)

It is not that I doubt that Sambucol works. I don't really have a position on it, as the research is pretty thin.

But, I can't stop myself from pointing out that:

* You don't know what was making you feel ill.
* You don't know if you had virus, bacteria, or any other cause.
* You don't know if the sambucol stopped it or if it just ran its natural course.

Once I had a terrible headache and I got really drunk and it cured the headache, except for the terrible hangover I woke up with. ;)
 

summerthyme

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mzkitty.... you should be able to find elderberries growing wild on the outskirts of the city. They are native around here...

Dissimulo... although I'm an herbalist and have studied them for over 30 years now, I thought the idea that elderberries- a fruit I considered to be a "poor mans' pie fruit" and which grew wild all over our farm- could rapidly stop influenza in it's tracks to be... farfetched. I mean, I'd seen herbs work and work well, but mostly as adjuncts to healing, not as an actual "cure" (although there are those as well).

So, after reading some of the double blind studies which PROVED that Sambucol worked (both in vitro and in vivo) on influenza, I had to try it. I played around for awhile and came up with a "clone" of another commercial elderberry syrup (although I make a lot of tinctures, I have "issues" with taking elderberry for 'flu as a tincture- the dose is really high enough that I wouldn't dare try to drive after taking my "'flu prevention"!).

About 5 years ago, there was a bad influenza season, and people were dropping like flies. Hubby was working for our local small town highway department, and naturally they all got sick. And he WAS sick- high fever, shaking chills, a deep rasping cough. I started him on the elderberry at the first hint of him being ill. Gave him 1 tablespoon of the homemade syrup every 2-4 hours. In 24 hours, his fever was broken. He was back to work 48 hours after the first chill hit him... tired, but not sick. So, maybe it was just a weak strain?

Well... he had four co-workers and a boss that year. All five of them were out of work for AT LEAST a week. Two of them ended up in the hospital with secondary pneumonia. hubby was the only one who wasn't in bed for a week or longer. Yeah, the stuff works.

(my VERY skeptical son and his wife swear by the stuff, and take home bottles of it every year... they work in offices around a lot of people - including a college adminstration office- and they found that when everyone around them is getting 'flu, if they take the elderberry- they don't get sick. Ever. And if they miss out and start feeling symptoms- the elderberry knocks it out in 24 hours. They don't pick on me about my "weeds and roots" as much any more! LOL!)

Summerthyme
 

Mzkitty

I give up.
mzkitty.... you should be able to find elderberries growing wild on the outskirts of the city. They are native around here...

Summerthyme


Summer, I'm a city girl, I would have no idea where to go look for them, or even what they look like. Also I wouldn't want to trespass on people's property.

Maybe I can find an on-line place that ships. I'll look into that or ask at my health food place the next time I go.

But thanks!

:)
 

WisconsinGardener

Loony Member
mzkitty.... you should be able to find elderberries growing wild on the outskirts of the city. They are native around here...

Dissimulo... although I'm an herbalist and have studied them for over 30 years now, I thought the idea that elderberries- a fruit I considered to be a "poor mans' pie fruit" and which grew wild all over our farm- could rapidly stop influenza in it's tracks to be... farfetched. I mean, I'd seen herbs work and work well, but mostly as adjuncts to healing, not as an actual "cure" (although there are those as well).

So, after reading some of the double blind studies which PROVED that Sambucol worked (both in vitro and in vivo) on influenza, I had to try it. I played around for awhile and came up with a "clone" of another commercial elderberry syrup (although I make a lot of tinctures, I have "issues" with taking elderberry for 'flu as a tincture- the dose is really high enough that I wouldn't dare try to drive after taking my "'flu prevention"!).

About 5 years ago, there was a bad influenza season, and people were dropping like flies. Hubby was working for our local small town highway department, and naturally they all got sick. And he WAS sick- high fever, shaking chills, a deep rasping cough. I started him on the elderberry at the first hint of him being ill. Gave him 1 tablespoon of the homemade syrup every 2-4 hours. In 24 hours, his fever was broken. He was back to work 48 hours after the first chill hit him... tired, but not sick. So, maybe it was just a weak strain?

Well... he had four co-workers and a boss that year. All five of them were out of work for AT LEAST a week. Two of them ended up in the hospital with secondary pneumonia. hubby was the only one who wasn't in bed for a week or longer. Yeah, the stuff works.

(my VERY skeptical son and his wife swear by the stuff, and take home bottles of it every year... they work in offices around a lot of people - including a college adminstration office- and they found that when everyone around them is getting 'flu, if they take the elderberry- they don't get sick. Ever. And if they miss out and start feeling symptoms- the elderberry knocks it out in 24 hours. They don't pick on me about my "weeds and roots" as much any more! LOL!)

Summerthyme

OK, I have a question. I've not tried to make homemade. I used to have elderberries growing here, but they all kind of died off. Anyway, I got a Sambucol "wannabe" brand. Did nothing for my daughter's virus, nothing for mine - or if it did, it certainly didn't help much. So, I finally got hold of the actual Sambucol, from the French company. I could feel myself getting sick a couple weeks ago, so I took one dose of the Sambucol. Took another before bed. Next day I took one more. That was it - virus was gone, and I was fine. Why did the Sambucol work so well and the wannabe did nothing? Was it just coincidence? A weak virus?

I'd rather make my own. Is there something special about the Sambucol? Is homemade just as good?
 

Sully

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Sambucol was bought by a French company, who changed the original formula...it is no longer made in Israel.Moggy[/QUOTE


The bottles I have says they are a product of Israel.

Sully
 
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dissimulo

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So, after reading some of the double blind studies which PROVED that Sambucol worked (both in vitro and in vivo) on influenza, I had to try it.

Again, I don't want to claim anything about Sambucol. Of the herbal remedies I've looked into, it appears to be one of the more promising. My main point was that taking something to cure yourself when you don't know what you have does not tell you anything about the efficacy of what you have taken.

As far as Sambucol goes, lab results are interesting, but of course, if lab results always indicated clinical efficacy, we would have cured cancer by now. I say the research on Sambucol is thin for two reasons:

1. There are only a handful of clinical studies and they involve small sample sizes.
2. The major studies that are usually referenced (Rones, Zakay 1995 and 2004) studied people with "influenza-like symptoms" which is definitely not the same as people with influenza.

A real, large-scale, clinical study needs to be done to establish what exactly this stuff is effective for.
 

Floratrek

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I think Diss is playing "devils advocate". Okay, so I'm "in". In 1990 friend from Canada, raised in Germany told me this story: His mom sent the 6 children out to pick the berries, then she canned them. If one person in his home got sick, the others all ate some elderberries - and, no one else caught it! I believe that's why israel started studying it. Another old timer near here, after I repeated that story to him, said no one in his grandma's ever had the flu because they had elder jelly every morning on toast or pancakes.
I sent the 4 oz bottles of sambucol to college with my 4 children. Most of the dorms had the flu, but not them. Am I done now. Before the 90's I warded the virus off with Sweedish Bitters.
 

Menagerie

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FWIW, in doing some reading on Elderberry it seems that it does have an effect on the immune system. The good news is that it can help you kick the flu. The bad news is that it can also ramp up the immune reaction (like a mini version of the immune storm that makes bird flu so bad) and cause more gack than you would have otherwise had. I'd urge anyone to check it out more so that you are comfortable with all the potential effects!
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
My family's used it for at least 10 years, it works very well.

We have a lot of elderberry bushes here, though not the 'European black' elderberry used in the Sambucol formula I would think it would work to kill the virus.


Elder flower (common elder)
Sambucus nigra L.

This page contains information on elder flower and how it is used as a herb in alternative herbal treatments to treat ailments and problems, such as flu, lower fever and insecticide.

elder flower, flu

Although we believe in the therapeutic and healing properties of herbs, care must be taken in the use thereof, as they are powerful compounds.
Botanical Classification elder flower

Family
Caprifoliaceae

Genus and specie
Sambucus nigra L.
Other names
American elder , sweet elder and common elder.

Description of the herb elder flower kruie-produkte-ageless-herbal-products

Elder is a large deciduous shrub with corky, gray-brown bark with feathery leaves. Tiny, scented cream flowers are borne in summer, followed by black berries.
Parts used

The flowers are mainly used, although the leaves, fruit, bark and roots are also used.
Properties

Elder is a bitter, pungent, cooling herb. The flowers and fruits are used to lower fever, reduce inflammation, soothe irritation and have a diuretic and anti-mucus effect, while the leaves are insecticidal.

Both the flowers and leaves contain rutin, isoquercitrin and hyperoside, while the flowers also contain chlorogenic acid, organic acids and triterpenoids, such as a-amyrin and b-amyrin, and the fruits contain tannins and anthocyanins such as sambucin, sambucyanin, chrysanthemin and all the glycosides of cyanidin. The seeds on the other hand contain cyanogenic glycosides such as sambunigrin, prunasin and holocalin, while the fruit contains lectins.

The flowers have diuretic, laxative, anti-inflammatory and antiviral properties, while the fruits again have antioxidant properties.
Therapeutic uses lower fever

* Internal use
o Elder flowers are traditionally used to treat influenza, colds, mucus, sinusitis, feverish illnesses and other upper respiratory tract problems, as well as hay fever.
o The fruits on the other hand are used for their analgesic effects, as well as their diuretic, laxative and diaphoretic properties.
o The fruits are used for rheumatic complaints and the bark for constipation and arthritic conditions.
o The flower heads are fried in batter, made into cordials, summer drinks and to add flavor to stewed fruits, jellies and jams.
* External use
o Elder leaves and bark are used externally to treat minor burns and chilblains.
o The flowers are used for sore eyes, irritated and inflamed skin, mouth ulcers and minor injuries.
 
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Flippper

Time Traveler
Study shows Israeli elderberry extract effective against avian flu
Israel21c ^ | January 25, 2006 | Nicky Blackburn

Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:12:54 PM by nickcarraway

At first glance, world-renowned Israeli virologist Dr. Madeleine Mumcuoglu does not seem like the sort of person you expect to come up with what could turn out to be a cure for one of humanity's biggest threats today - the avian flu.

She seems comfortable and grandmotherly, not the type to be on the frontline of research into a potential pandemic. On the other hand, however, Mumcuoglu's treatment, Sambucol, which is already a clinically proven treatment for regular flu and in new in-vitro tests proved effective against avian flu, is based on elderberries, an old folk remedy for influenza passed on from generation to generation. And who better to pass on a remedy like this, than a grandmother?

Last week, Retroscreen Virology, a leading British medical research institute associated to Queen Mary College, University of London, announced that Sambucol was at least 99% effective against the avian flu virus, H5N1, and in cell cultures significantly neutralized the infectivity of the virus, taken from a strain isolated in Turkey.

Another trial is now underway at Hadassah Medical Organization Ein Kerem, which is expected to confirm these findings.

"I think that Sambucol has a great role to play - it really can save lives," Mumcuoglu told ISRAEL21c. "To my knowledge, it's the only product that can cut the flu in half, before complications have a chance of setting in. If we do have a cure for chicken flu, this is a really positive thing for Israel."

Mumcuoglu (pronounced mum-shu-glu) was born in Algeria and immigrated to Israel in 1974. She holds a Doctorate in Virology, and studied bird flu during her Ph.D. In the 1970s, Mumcuoglu began studying the natural healing elements of the elderberry from the black elder tree (Sambucus nigra). Her interest in the plant was piqued because it had been used in medicine for many centuries. It was first referred to as a healer in the 5th century BC and received mentions in the writings of Hippocrates, Dioscurides and Plinius.

Elderberry wine was traditionally used for influenza and the ill effects of the chills, and the juice of the black elderberry has historically been an invaluable remedy. The elder has often been called the 'medicine chest" of the country people.

During Mumcuoglu's research she discovered the key active ingredient in elderberry and when she tested it against the flu virus, she found it effective. On her arrival in Israel, Mumcuoglu joined the Hebrew University Hadassah Medical Center in Jerusalem, and continued her research.

The result was Sambucol, a patented natural formula which contains a potent antiviral compound, AntiVirin, isolated from the black elderberry, and three flavonoids ? naturally occurring plant antioxidants. In 1992, Mumcuoglu decided to commercialize her elderberry supplement, and founded Razei Bar Industries to do so.

Mumcuoglu, who is president of Razei Bar, first tested her research on patients in the Southern Israel flu epidemic of 1992/3. The results were extremely encouraging. Within 24 hours, 20% of those patients taking Sambucol had dramatic improvements in symptoms like fever, muscle aches and pains and coughing. By the second day, 73% were improved and by day three, 90%. In the untreated group, only 16% felt better after two days. The majority of that group took almost a week to begin feeling better.

In 1995, laboratory studies were carried out at Hadassah, which showed that Sambucol was effective against human, swine and avian influenza strains.

Shortly afterwards, a further randomized, double blind, placebo-controlled study was conducted in Norway, where Sambucol was shown to significantly reduce the duration of flu by approximately four days. The use of rescue medication (pain relievers, etc.) was significantly less in the group receiving Sambucol than in the placebo group. The study concluded that Sambucol stimulates the healthy immune system by increasing production of inflammatory cytokines.

Today Razei Bar sells a number of different liquid anti-viral treatments including Sambucol Black Elderberry Extract, Sambucol Black Elderberry Syrup, Sambucol Immune System, and Sambucol for Kids. The company also has a number of elderberry flu remedies designed for diabetics.

At the end of last year, Retroscreen Virology in London began laboratory tests on Sambucol to discover whether the natural remedy could also be used to combat the deadly H5N1 strain of bird flu in dog kidney cells. And their findings last week are an encouraging sign.

While it is too soon to know if Sambucol can cure avian flu in humans, the Retroscreen Virology trial does hold out hope that it may be a possible solution if more studies support the findings. Mumcuoglu admits that clinical research into H5N1 is virtually impossible at this stage, because there have only been 140 or so cases around the world, and the mortality rate is over 50%. Instead, the company is preparing to begin in vivo studies to look at the effect of Sambucol against the disease caused by the avian influenza virus.

If Sambucol does prove effective against H5N1, it will be a major breakthrough. Unlike many of the other remedies being touted as possible treatments to bird flu, this is a tried and tested product, already on sale in 17 countries around the world, including the US, Canada, Britain, Holland, Belgium, Norway, Israel, South Korea, and Singapore.

In the US, Sambucol has been well received and now controls about 80% of the elderberry remedy market. The liquid food supplement is distributed by Nature's Way Products and sold in most health food stores across the country.

A SPINS survey revealed that in the US three of Sambucol's products are among the top 10 out of 662 herbal formulas available for adults, while the children's remedy, Sambucol for Kids, is at the top of the list as the number one formula for kids out of 192 products in different categories.

Another advantage of Sambucol, says Mumcuoglu is that unlike the anti-viral drug Tamiflu, which is the only treatment for bird flu now available that is thought to reduce the length and severity of flu symptoms, Sambucol has no side effects. It can also be given safely to children. Tamiflu, in contrast, cannot be given to children under 12.

Recently there has also been doubt cast on the effectiveness of Tamiflu as two Vietnamese patients, including a 13-year-old girl, developed resistance to the anti-viral drug and died. A report on this was published in the New England Journal of Medicine. Commenting on the report in the journal, Prof. Anne Moscona of Cornell University in New York said Tamiflu-resistant H5N1 "is now a reality".

"This frightening report should inspire us to device pandemic strategies that do not favor the development of Tamiflu-resistant strains."

The US, like many nations around the world, has stockpiled supplies of Tamiflu.

Another advantage of Sambucol is that it can treat every type of flu virus.

"Our research has shown that the antiviral effect of Sambucol is not strain-specific," says Mumcuoglu. "It was effective against all influenza viruses tested. The original formulation of Sambucol is the product we have tested in all cases - both in the laboratory and in clinical studies for the common flu. It is what was also used in the recent experiments in London against avian influenza virus thus any Sambucol already on the shelves is the same as any we would produce now."

Traditional vaccines given to prevent flu from developing are often created through guesswork, with scientists simply speculating which strain of flu is likely to hit that year. The three most likely strains are combined into a vaccine, but by the time the flu season arrives, these strains may have undergone changes, or new strains may have emerged. Despite this, Mamcuoglu insists that those at risk continue to take their flu jabs.

Mamcuoglu insists that use of Sambucol against traditional flu viruses will help reduce the annual death rate. "If you stop the flu virus at the beginning then you stop it going to the lungs, or from creating the additional complications that are normally the cause of death," she explains.

Currently about 30,000 people die of regular flu every year in the US, a figure that could rise alarmingly if avian flu becomes the pandemic experts are predicting. If Sambucol proves effective against bird flu, however, Mamcuoglu believes that figure will be much lower.

The next round of trials into Sambucol's efficacy as a treatment for bird flu are likely to be completed during the year. Mumcuoglu is ready for any upsurge in sales that are likely if the results are positive. "We have additional production facilities on standby," she says.

The company also has another interesting product in the pipeline, called ArteryCare 40 Plus. This is an antioxidant formula containing strong antioxidants from the elderberry, the pomegranate and the persimmon. It helps avoid the formation of plaque in the arteries by preventing the oxidation of LDL (the bad cholesterol), and is thought to also have anti-aging properties.
 

tm1439m

Veteran Member
How do you know that it did anything?

You have got to be a doctor or pharmacist or in some way profit from non-natural remedies, in other words medicine is your cup of tea. Every time I see you post on a thread that talks of a natural remedy you are always trying to sway people away from it.
 

Moggy

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Sambucol was bought by a French company, who changed the original formula...it is no longer made in Israel.

Moggy[/QUOT The bottles I have says they are a product of Israel.

Sully

I'm sure there are still bottles around with the original product...however, the health store where I purchase mine has a huge turnover and their products are up to date...which is how I knew they had changed hands...because the last bottle that I bought a few months ago reads: "Product of France." I naturally questioned the store owner, who told me of the change of hands.

Moggy
 

Sully

Inactive
I'm sure there are still bottles around with the original product...however, the health store where I purchase mine has a huge turnover and their products are up to date...which is how I knew they had changed hands...because the last bottle that I bought a few months ago reads: "Product of France." I naturally questioned the store owner, who told me of the change of hands.

Moggy


I sure hope the French didn't change anything in the ingredience. I've been ordering mine online and will be getting more soon for my stock...maybe they'll still be from Israel.

Sully
 
The French are good cooks.

However any good cook will tell you fresh ingredients are a prerequisite.

Buy local - Montana made and all that. Speaking of the French, didn't they have a problem with benzene in their Perriere a while back? ;-)
 

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ARMY RANGER

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:screw:I bought 20 large bottles in 2006 made in Israel.It expired in 2007,I still have it all because I never get the flu and the avian flu never happened like the gov warned it would.It is still boexed in the cupboard so it is probably still good.Guess I would have been better off buying a few respirators!:lol:
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
YOU GUYS CAN GET THE SAME ACTIVE INGREDIENT (Anthocyanins) in huckleberries and blueberries! They are all in the same family. I picked gallons of huckleberries, froze them and you just need to boil a quarter cup of the berries for each big mug of huckleberry tea you take for what ails you. Leave the berries in the tea and eat them! It tastes WONDERFUL!
 

Tundra Gypsy

Veteran Member
We picked elderberries last year and made up a batch of elderberry liqueur. I started coming down with a nasty cold and poured a little small glass of it and started sipping on it in the evening. I was also taking large doses of Vitamin-C. I never got any sicker.

A month later it happened again sore throat, swollen glands, I resorted to the same liqueur and Vitamin-C. I always come down sick when I return to work and have to be around so many people. I'm handling checks and envelopes all day long and I just know some one was coughing on those things or wiping their nose as they wrote out their check to pay their taxes. I know who the cigarette smokers are when I have to handle their envelopes and checks too. Someone looked like they'd peed on their tax bill; it was disgusting!! (probably) I have to wash my hands all the time when I work there; and the ventilation is poor and I get exposed to all kinds of nasty bugs. I really lucked out this year and think the elderberry liqueur and Vitamin-C stopped my colds from developing into something worse.
 

lafrteacher

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:screw:I bought 20 large bottles in 2006 made in Israel.It expired in 2007,I still have it all because I never get the flu and the avian flu never happened like the gov warned it would.It is still boexed in the cupboard so it is probably still good.Guess I would have been better off buying a few respirators!:lol:

Mine expired in 2007, too, but apparently, it's still good.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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As far as why a "Sambucol wannabe" didn't work... no idea. It could be any one of several reasons. One question seems to be whether or not heating the elderberries changes/reduces the anti-viral properties.

As far as "you can get the same stuff in other purple berries"... well, probably not. Yes, there are "anthocyanins" in dark purple/black berries (and as Dissimulo said, in some dark colored vegetables as well) but it's pretty obvious there is more going on with the elderberries in terms of their anti-viral abilities. My own suspicions is that it's a synergistic "thing" going on... a combination of chemicals which works to stop the viral replication in it's tracks, rather than any one individual chemical. For sure, with some other herbs I've studied, it's obvious that the WHOLE HERB is both more effective and much safer than any one of the "active" principles. And that is why I'm rather strongly against using "standardized" herbs for *most* uses... we simply don't know enough about how they work to say with certainty that we can change the ratio of all the various components without also changing either their efficiacy or safety. St. Johnswort is a really good example- they've standardized it for hypericin for years, since someone decided that it was THE "active ingredient" in the herb. Fortunately, no one tried to simply extract the hypericin and sell that alone as an anti-depressant (the laws wouldn't have allowed it without a New Drug application and several millions of dollars and studies). But they did sell capsules with both whole herb AND a "standard amount" of hypericin. Recently, though (within the last 3 years, IIRC) studies have come out which seem to indicate that hypericin may not have much at all to do with how St Johnswort works on depression!

I make my own elderberry syrup at least in great part because that way I KNOW what went into it, and how it was handled. I use very little heat, fresh berries and locally produced raw honey.

Another American made product made "right" is sold by Todd's Honey Gardens in Vermont. It's a syrup, not a tincture, and it works very well. BUT, it does contain echinacea, so I wouldn't recommend it for H5N1 if that ever turns pandemic.... echinacea is too "good" of an immune system stimulant to use for that particular flu strain.

One other thought: elderberry works VERY well on influenza, but at least in the lab, it's NOT effective against some other viruses, including the one which causes the common cold. So, it's possible that if you take it for "'flu" and get no results, you may not have HAD influenza...

Summerthyme
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
Red, purple, and black carrots have quite a lot as well and are easy to grow in bulk amounts. (They are not as tasty in tea, though.)

Dose per Kilos of carrots?

Lot's of talk about curcumin from Tumeric for flu, but you can't eat enough tumeric to get an effective dose.
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
Sambucol was bought by a French company, who changed the original formula...it is no longer made in Israel.Moggy[/QUOTE


The bottles I have says they are a product of Israel.

Sully

The Sambucol i have says Made in France
The Sambucol for Kids that i have says Made in Israel
The Sambucol Lozeneges that i have say Made in Israel

btw, is it safe to give to a pregnant women in her 3rd Trimester, the bottle just says seek advise from your GP
 

Bab

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I grew up eating elderberry pie...was always a family favorite. I never associated it with anything medicinal.

When I heard that elderberries worked against a virus I decided to try it. I found that it really worked. My theory at the time was that it was just liquid elderberry pie.

My kids thought I was nutz until they got sick and I gave them some...was the begining of them thinking maybe mama wasn't near as crazy as we thought.
 
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