SAMBUCOL Effective against Avian Flu

New Freedom

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Study shows Israeli elderberry extract effective against avian flu
By Nicky Blackburn January 29, 2006

At first glance, world-renowned Israeli virologist Dr. Madeleine Mumcuoglu does not seem like the sort of person you expect to come up with what could turn out to be a cure for one of humanity's biggest threats today - the avian flu.

She seems comfortable and grandmotherly, not the type you usually associate with the frontline of research into a potential pandemic. On the other hand, however, Mumcuoglu is clearly a very determined woman who has turned a lifetime of research into the health benefits of elderberry, an old folk remedy for influenza, into a clinically proven treatment for regular flu. Now, new in-vitro tests have proved that her remedy, the elderberry-based Sambucol, also appears to be effective against avian flu.

Last week, Retroscreen Virology, a leading British medical research institute associated to Queen Mary College, University of London, announced that Sambucol was at least 99% effective against the avian flu virus, H5N1, and in cell cultures significantly neutralized the infectivity of the virus.

"I think that Sambucol has a great role to play - it really can save lives," Mumcuoglu told ISRAEL21c. "To my knowledge, it's the only product that can cut the flu in half, before complications have a chance of setting in. If we do have a cure for chicken flu, this is a really positive thing for Israel."

Mumcuoglu (pronounced mum-shu-glu) was born in Algeria and immigrated to Israel in 1974. She holds a Doctorate in Virology, and studied bird flu during her Ph.D. In the 1980s, Mumcuoglu began studying the natural healing elements of the elderberry from the black elder tree (Sambucus nigra). Her interest in the plant was piqued because it had been used in medicine for many centuries. It was first referred to as a healer in the 5th century BC and received mentions in the writings of Hippocrates, Dioscurides and Plinius.

Elderberry wine was traditionally used for influenza and the ill effects of the chills, and the juice of the black elderberry has historically been an invaluable remedy. The elder has often been called the 'medicine chest" of the country people.

During Mumcuoglu's research she discovered the key active ingredient in elderberry and when she tested it against the flu virus, she found it effective. On her arrival in Israel, Mumcuoglu joined the Hebrew University Hadassah Medical Center in Jerusalem, and continued her research.

The result was Sambucol, a patented natural formula which contains a potent antiviral compound, AntiVirin, isolated from the black elderberry, and three flavonoids - naturally occurring plant antioxidants. In 1992, Mumcuoglu decided to commercialize her elderberry supplement, and founded Razei Bar Industries to do so.

Mumcuoglu, who is president of Razei Bar, first tested her research on patients in the Southern Israel flu epidemic of 1992/3. The results were extremely encouraging. Within 24 hours, 20% of those patients taking Sambucol had dramatic improvements in symptoms like fever, muscle aches and pains and coughing. By the second day, 73% were improved and by day three, 90%. In the untreated group, only 16% felt better after two days. The majority of that group took almost a week to begin feeling better.

In 1995, laboratory studies were carried out at Hadassah, which showed that Sambucol was effective against human, swine and avian influenza strains.

Shortly afterwards, a further randomized, double blind, placebo-controlled study was conducted in Norway, where Sambucol was shown to significantly reduce the duration of flu by approximately four days. The use of rescue medication (pain relievers, etc.) was significantly less in the group receiving Sambucol than in the placebo group. The study concluded that Sambucol stimulates the healthy immune system by increasing production of inflammatory cytokines.

Today Razei Bar sells a number of different liquid anti-viral treatments including Sambucol Black Elderberry Extract, Sambucol Black Elderberry Syrup, Sambucol Immune System, and Sambucol for Kids. The company also has a number of elderberry flu remedies designed for diabetics.

At the end of last year, Retroscreen Virology in London began laboratory tests on Sambucol to discover whether the natural remedy could also be used to combat the deadly H5N1 strain of bird flu in dog kidney cells. And their findings last week are an encouraging sign.

While it is too soon to know if Sambucol can cure avian flu in humans, the Retroscreen Virology trial does hold out hope that it may be a possible solution if more studies support the findings. Mumcuoglu admits that clinical research into H5N1 is impossible at this stage, because there have only been 140 or so cases around the world, and the mortality rate is over 50%. Instead, the company is preparing to begin in vivo studies to look at the effect of Sambucol against the disease caused by the avian influenza virus.

If Sambucol does prove effective against H5N1, it will be a major breakthrough. Unlike many of the other remedies being touted as possible treatments to bird flu, this is a tried and tested product, already on sale in 17 countries around the world, including the US, Canada, Britain, Holland, Belgium, Norway, Israel, South Korea, and Singapore.

In the US, Sambucol has been well received and now controls about 80% of the elderberry remedy market. The liquid food supplement is distributed by Nature's Way Products and sold in most health food stores across the country.

A SPINS survey revealed that in the US three of Sambucol's products are among the top 10 out of 662 herbal formulas available for adults, while the children's remedy, Sambucol for Kids, is at the top of the list as the number one formula for kids out of 192 products in different categories.

Another advantage of Sambucol, says Mumcuoglu is that unlike the anti-viral drug Tamiflu, which is the only treatment for bird flu now available that is thought to reduce the length and severity of flu symptoms, Sambucol has no side effects. It can also be given safely to children. Tamiflu, in contrast, cannot be given to children under 12.

Recently there has also been doubt cast on the effectiveness of Tamiflu as two Vietnamese patients, including a 13-year-old girl, developed resistance to the anti-viral drug and died. A report on this was published in the New England Journal of Medicine. Commenting on the report in the journal, Prof. Anne Moscona of Cornell University in New York said Tamiflu-resistant H5N1 "is now a reality".

"This frightening report should inspire us to device pandemic strategies that do not favor the development of Tamiflu-resistant strains."

The US, like many nations around the world, has stockpiled supplies of Tamiflu.

Another advantage of Sambucol is that it can treat every type of flu virus.

"Our research has shown that the antiviral effect of Sambucol is not strain-specific," says Mumcuoglu. "It was effective against all influenza viruses tested. The original formulation of Sambucol is the product we have tested in all cases - both in the laboratory and in clinical studies for the common flu. It is what was also used in the recent experiments in London against avian influenza virus thus any Sambucol already on the shelves is the same as any we would produce now."

Traditional vaccines given to prevent flu from developing are often created through guesswork, with scientists simply speculating which strain of flu is likely to hit that year. The three most likely strains are combined into a vaccine, but by the time the flu season arrives, these strains may have undergone changes, or new strains may have emerged. Despite this, Mamcuoglu insists that those at risk continue to take their flu jabs.

Mamcuoglu insists that use of Sambucol against traditional flu viruses will help reduce the annual death rate. "If you stop the flu virus at the beginning then you stop it going to the lungs, or from creating the additional complications that are normally the cause of death," she explains.

Currently about 30,000 people die of regular flu every year in the US, a figure that could rise alarmingly if avian flu becomes the pandemic experts are predicting. If Sambucol proves effective against bird flu, however, Mamcuoglu believes that figure will be much lower.

The next round of trials into Sambucol's efficacy as a treatment for bird flu are likely to be completed during the year. Mumcuoglu is ready for any upsurge in sales that are likely if the results are positive. "We have additional production facilities on standby," she says.

The company also has another interesting product in the pipeline, called ArteryCare 40 Plus. This is an antioxidant formula containing strong antioxidants from the elderberry, the pomegranate and the persimmon. It helps avoid the formation of plaque in the arteries by preventing the oxidation of LDL (the bad cholesterol), and is thought to also have anti-aging properties.
 

gillmanNSF

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Yeah, we know. I ordered (and have received and am almost through the first bottle) 6 bottles of syrup when I first read about this. I had a smaller bottle from a previous order that I used in January to fight off the flu then. Word is getting around, but a lot of people (I work with) still relying on zinc, airborne and such.

I just wish it was sold by the jug. :lol:
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
The study concluded that Sambucol stimulates the healthy immune system by increasing production of inflammatory cytokines.

Although I use Sambucol for ordinary flu, I thought that overproduction of cytokines - e.g. "cytokine storm" was a factor in the Avian flu, hitting young people with healthiest immune systems the hardest. In such case, Sambucol would appear not to be the answer.
 

Brooks

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marsh, if Sambucol acts effectively as an anti-viral, that should counteract the issue of cytokine storms.

There are arguments both ways, but it isn't as simple as Sambucol stimulating a cytokine response.
 

Hfcomms

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I make my own. You can make gallons of the stuff for the price of elderberries and plain generic vodka for making the tincture. I also add echinacia into the mix but that's not necessary.
 

momof23goats

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Sambucal, is a combination of raspberries and black elderberries. It contains no booze, however, I gave it to my hubby for the flu, knocked it right out of him. we also have the elderberry all natrual cough drops , work like a charm , you can also use them as a food suppliment, the package says.
 

scg

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Does anyone have a good place to buy online? My health food stores haven't had it and I haven't heard of the cough drops. They sound great!!
 
scg - the Sambucol drops are useful for when you can't take a swig from a bottle - but please know that they have a rather strong medicinal taste which is very unlike the liquid Sambucol!!!
 

New Freedom

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momof23goats said:
Sambucal, is a combination of raspberries and black elderberries. It contains no booze, however, I gave it to my hubby for the flu, knocked it right out of him. we also have the elderberry all natrual cough drops , work like a charm , you can also use them as a food suppliment, the package says.


Where do you get the elderberry all natural cough drops ?
 

BerkshireGrl

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scg said:
Does anyone have a good place to buy online? My health food stores haven't had it and I haven't heard of the cough drops. They sound great!!


SCG- I just got mine (dried elderberries)from herbalcom.com. The price is just over $5/lb and I received it in just 6 or 7 days. Great price, fair shipping-I ordered 3 lbs and it was $20 total. $20 very well spent!;)
 

timbo

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BG........question......how do you make up the dosages on this dried stuff?

Boy it aint cheap buying it in the store and I would like to order it and make my own.

Thanks a lot.
Tim
 

Christian for Israel

Knight of Jerusalem
Hfcomms said:
I make my own. You can make gallons of the stuff for the price of elderberries and plain generic vodka for making the tincture. I also add echinacia into the mix but that's not necessary.
we've got 6 gallons put back...i hope that's enough for the two of us. :lol:
 

Christian for Israel

Knight of Jerusalem
timbo:

Fill a qt. canning jar 1/3 full of dried elderberries (1/2 full if using fresh berries)
fill the jar with cheap 80/90 proof vodka or brandy,
cap jar, shake, and store in a cool dark cabinet for 7-10 days.
That's the formula for making any herbal tincture.
You can strain it off into a clean jar or just let it sit until you need it.

There are two recommended dosages.
One is for "prevention" which is 2 tablespoons / day.
The other one is "intensive" which corresponds to 2 tablespoons 4x / day.

In either case, you're going to go through a LOT of tincture.
That 4 oz bottle of Sambucol is only one day's worth at the
"intensive" dosage.
 

timbo

Deceased
Thanks CFI, think I'll be giving them a call to get some......Vodka sounds ok. Me being a tippler,well a little...........cough cough.....feel something coming on...;)
 

Wild-T2

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Christian for Israel said:
timbo:

Fill a qt. canning jar 1/3 full of dried elderberries (1/2 full if using fresh berries)
fill the jar with cheap 80/90 proof vodka or brandy,
cap jar, shake, and store in a cool dark cabinet for 7-10 days.
That's the formula for making any herbal tincture.
You can strain it off into a clean jar or just let it sit until you need it.

There are two recommended dosages.
One is for "prevention" which is 2 tablespoons / day.
The other one is "intensive" which corresponds to 2 tablespoons 4x / day.

In either case, you're going to go through a LOT of tincture.
That 4 oz bottle of Sambucol is only one day's worth at the
"intensive" dosage.

Are you sure about the 1/3 amount in the jar? Most everything else that I have seen, and done, is using 3/4 full. Just made some elderberrie tincture that way and after a month it is almost a real syrup.

Not doubting, just curious as that would be a good way to make the 4 lbs of berries on the way last longer.
 

dberszerker

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Thanks for the web site Berkshiregrl, I orderd 10 lbs elderberry and 5 pounds Turmeric ground powder $70 in all, and a great deal. This bird flu is getting to close to not do something. I am a nurse by trade, and it seems the medical community is getting ready for something huge. So I got all the KCI Ill need plus this latest order. BTW, which method for making a tincture is best 1/3 a jar or 3/4 a jar.
 

Christian for Israel

Knight of Jerusalem
Wild-T2 said:
Are you sure about the 1/3 amount in the jar? Most everything else that I have seen, and done, is using 3/4 full. Just made some elderberrie tincture that way and after a month it is almost a real syrup.

Not doubting, just curious as that would be a good way to make the 4 lbs of berries on the way last longer.
that's the way we've always done it and it's the way goatlady (at frugal's) said to do it.
 

Wild-T2

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Christian for Israel said:
that's the way we've always done it and it's the way goatlady (at frugal's) said to do it.

Thanks CfI,
I got a pint and a half of tinture with 2 lbs of berries and a 1.75 litre bottle of 90% vodka (1/2 gal. & 1gt. jar full). Soaked for a month, shaking at least twice a day.....Strong stuff and seemed to help a lot with a bout of stomach flu this last week. Its very much like thick cough syrup and will probably add honey this time instead of some sugar. I may try and reduce the berry amount on the next quart batch and see how that works. Would love to stretch the berries out some.
 

summerthyme

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I find myself wondering if Eldeberries can be mixed with Turmeric , and if the two would be effective

Many of us are planning on doing exactly that IF Avian Influenza does go human to human.

Elderberry works as an antiviral, FIRST by actually limiting viral replication. The stimulation of cytokines is secondary... and is probably closely linked to the amount of virus in your system.

What that means is if you start taking it EARLY... with current 'flu (ie; not likely to kill you) that means the minute you feel symptoms... achy muscles or joints, scratchy throat along with headache and fever... everyone knows what you feel like when you're "coming down with the 'flu"... you probably won't get a large enough viral load in your system to stimulate a dangerous level of cytokine production.

If Avian flu does reach your area, you should probably consider taking elderberry ANY time you are exposed to other people, and/or the minute someone in your household shows early signs. We've used it for several years for influenza with excellent results... I make a syrup, not a tincture. If someone in our family brings home a 'flu bug, they get the full treatment - a tablespoon of homemade syrup every 4-6 hours. It usually knocks it out of them within 24 hours. The rest of us start taking preventative doses.. a tablespoon a couple of times a day... and I can't remember the last time more than one person in the family got sick. It works!

In the event that you develop symptoms of Avian Influenza, I'd suggest taking elderberry PLUS cucurmin AND piperine (a black pepper extract, which greatly increases the bioavailability of cucurmin). Hopefully that would help prevent the deadly cytokine storm while the elderberry is busy killing the virus...

Summerthyme
 

xtreme_right

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quantity needed plus a source for plant

I went to herbalcom.com to order berries and am not sure how many pounds to order. What is the volume of a pound of elderberries? In other words, what is the weight of berries needed to make a quart jar of tincture? Not really even sure how many jars I want to put away, but needed a starting point.

If you're not lucky enough to have them growing wild around you, here's a link to a site where you can order some plants yourself. I plan to do this, but can't wait to get some tincture made.
http://www.raintreenursery.com/catalog/producttype.cfm?producttype=ELDER

xr
 

SassyinAZ

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Wild-T2 said:
Thanks CfI,
I got a pint and a half of tinture with 2 lbs of berries and a 1.75 litre bottle of 90% vodka (1/2 gal. & 1gt. jar full). Soaked for a month, shaking at least twice a day.....Strong stuff and seemed to help a lot with a bout of stomach flu this last week. Its very much like thick cough syrup and will probably add honey this time instead of some sugar. I may try and reduce the berry amount on the next quart batch and see how that works. Would love to stretch the berries out some.
As I understand the recipes and prepared my own, the amount of berries, 3/4 versus 1/3, depends on whether you are using fresh berries or dried.

Sassy
 

Vere My Sone

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over at Currents, they are suggesting 1 lb. will make 3 quarts, 1/3 lb. berries per jar, fill with vodka

it is also suggested 1 qt per person per round of flu

concerning brandy versus vodka
it is also said that an unflavored alcohol is needed for full effect
 

summerthyme

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The problem with using brandy or other "colored or flavored" alcohols is that the alcohol is needed to absorb the active principle of the berries (if you're making a tincture). In brandy or similar beverages, the coloring and/or flavoring is taken up by the alcohol already... leaving less "capacity" for it to absorb the elderberry goodies.

As far as how many berries per jar, etc... you want to cover the berries with booze with a little over (1" or so) and KEEP THEM COVERED. Dry berries may soak up considerable amounts of liquid.... expanding in the process. Hence, you don't want to fill the jar as full with them as you would with fresh or frozen berries.

If you goof.. and the berries soak up all the liquid... don't panic. Just divide them into two jars and add more vodka so they are covered. Check them occasionally to be sure there is still free vodka completely covering the berries...

Summerthyme

BTW- I don't want to get tiresome about this, but I've posted a recipe for a syrup we've found to be at least equally effective as Sambucol or plain tincture- and you can take it and DRIVE without fear of a DWI or other difficulty. Given the recent difficulty in DC with that woman lawyer getting nailed after a single glass of wine a couple hours earlier, I'd be VERY leery of taking a tablespoon of EVERCLEAR!! or high proof vodka in the morning and then driving to work!! The syrup can be made as a fully saturated syrup with no alcohol at all, or with less sugar (although still very sweet) with 10% alcohol for preservative.

Summerthyme
 

Reborn

Seeking Aslan's Country
summerthyme said:
BTW- I don't want to get tiresome about this, but I've posted a recipe for a syrup we've found to be at least equally effective as Sambucol or plain tincture- and you can take it and DRIVE without fear of a DWI or other difficulty. Given the recent difficulty in DC with that woman lawyer getting nailed after a single glass of wine a couple hours earlier, I'd be VERY leery of taking a tablespoon of EVERCLEAR!! or high proof vodka in the morning and then driving to work!! The syrup can be made as a fully saturated syrup with no alcohol at all, or with less sugar (although still very sweet) with 10% alcohol for preservative.

Summerthyme

Where is your posted recipe, Summerthyme? Link please. :)
 

summerthyme

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OK... you asked for it. Here it is.

It REALLY is simpler than I've made it sound... I was trying to write it out step by step and may have made it more complicated than it needs to be. If you are starting with dried berries, rehydrated them first. Simplest way to do that is to put them in a glass or stainless steel bowl or container, and pour enough boiling water over them to JUST cover the berries. Stash them in the refrigerator for 24-48 hours... check them occasionally and add a bit more water if they soak it all up. Then use them just like fresh.. DON'T drain them!!

Elderberry Extract Syrup (with honey or sugar)

I take fresh (or frozen) elderberries and crush them in a stainless steel or heavy enamelware kettle. I add a TINY bit of water (just enough to barely cover the bottom of the kettle to keep the berries from sticking) and heat it *gently* over *LOW* heat, stirring the whole mash up until it's no warmer than 150°. The heat helps release the juice from the berries, but I'm not certain of whether high heat would possible deactivate the antiviral properties. So I'm erring on the side of caution...

I either run the whole mash through my Vitamix at this point, or, if they seem to have been quite macerated already, just pour them into a jelly bag and let them drain. I've found that I get the most yield by putting them in two fine mesh bags (I bought some mosquito netting from Denver Fabrics on the 'net, which works GREAT) and then putting the whole thing in my cheese press and pressing it. A cider press would work well, too. But if you don't have anything like that, simply taking the bag of mash, and twisting it tightly in your hands will get most of the juice out.

This is all contrary to most jelly making instructions (for those who are wondering) because you usually end up with some of the berry pulp in the juice. Since my goal is medicine, not "clear" jelly, I don't mind this a bit.

Anyway, once you've got your juice, you need to add enough sugar to preserve it. I've found that a equal ratio of sugar to juice by volume is sufficient- IF YOU WILL ADD ALCOHOL to help preserve it for storage. If you have an objection to any alcohol in the mix, you then need to use a 5:3 ratio of sugar to juice... this will give you a saturated syrup high enough in sugar so it won't spoil at room temperature.

If you prefer using honey, you need to use a slightly higher ratio.... approximately 11/4 cups of honey to every cup of juice. This is because of the water content already in the honey. Or, if you want to use pure honey without any added alcohol, you need a 2:1 honey/juice ratio.

Anyway.... stir in the sugar or honey into the warm juice, until it's all completely dissolved. If you've used the lower 1:1 ratio, at this point you need to add some alcohol for preservative. I've used Blackberry Brandy quite frequently for this... hoping to get some of the astringent and stimulant effects of the blackberry in the mix. If you use brandy, you need to add 3-4 ounces per pint of syrup.

If you simply want the alcohol as a preservative, you can add 3 ounces of 100 proof vodka, or a little more than 3 tablespoons of 160 proof vodka. (we can't get pure grain alcohol here... if you can, you can use 1 1/2 ounces of that instead).

Stir it gently, and decant it into STERILIZED jars or bottles. Use the same techinques you'd use when canning jelly- except this won't be hot enough for you to expect the seals to seal completely. As long as you sterilized the jars and the lids before bottling it, it shouldn't be necessary for it to seal.

LABEL IT!! You always think you'll remember what is in those jars, or when you made it. Wanna bet!? LOL! Seriously- make sure you put the date and at least whether or not there is anything but elderberry and sugar in there.

Store it in a cool, dark place (dark is especially important if you are using clear glass jars).
 

goatlady2

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Traditionally tinctures have been made at home using 1/3 of a qt jar of the herb - elderberries, or whatever DRIED, cut, shredded, chopped (however it comes when you order it) herb, cover with at least 80 proof vodka (HerbMountain says to the top of the jar) cap the jar, give a few shakes, store in a cool, datk place for 10-14 days, strain into a clean jar, and store indefinitely in a cool, dark placel. The DARK place in important as sunlight will lessen the medicinal properties of the tincture. If you are fortunate enough to be able to use FRESH elderberries fill the jar 1/2 full as dried berries are more potent due to having no water in them to dilute the medicinal properties. 1# of DRIED elderberries, measured by eyeball or by 1 cup per quart jar will equal 3 quart + 1 pint to SOAKING tincture - after draining use the pint of liquid to top off the quart jars so they are about full.
 

Wild-T2

Veteran Member
goatlady2 said:
Traditionally tinctures have been made at home using 1/3 of a qt jar of the herb - elderberries, or whatever DRIED, cut, shredded, chopped (however it comes when you order it) herb, cover with at least 80 proof vodka (HerbMountain says to the top of the jar) cap the jar, give a few shakes, store in a cool, datk place for 10-14 days, strain into a clean jar, and store indefinitely in a cool, dark placel. The DARK place in important as sunlight will lessen the medicinal properties of the tincture. If you are fortunate enough to be able to use FRESH elderberries fill the jar 1/2 full as dried berries are more potent due to having no water in them to dilute the medicinal properties. 1# of DRIED elderberries, measured by eyeball or by 1 cup per quart jar will equal 3 quart + 1 pint to SOAKING tincture - after draining use the pint of liquid to top off the quart jars so they are about full.

So, I guess using 3/4 full jar of dried berries is a little overkill on the tinture? That's what I did and it seems VERY strong, but good. Used 90 proof vodka and soaked for 30 days.
 

Ishah

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On the matter of making tinctures I have got to say that it does not matter if you use vodka or “colored or flavored” alcohol.
What does matter is the proof of the alcohol. Using alcohol such as vodka or brandy to extract with the highest degree of success is dependent on the proof. Alcohol which is 80 proof or higher is ideal for tincture making.

Alcohol is not needed to absorb the active principle of the berries. It is needed to BREAK DOWN the plant components. This process is called extraction.

Alcohol is the menstruum. It extracts the medicinal properties of the herbs. Or in this case, elderberries.

Menstruum \Men"stru*um\, n.; pl. E. Menstruums, L. Menstrua. [L. menstruus. See Menstruous.] Any substance which dissolves a solid body; a solvent. [1913 Webster]

All liquors are called menstruums which are used as dissolvents, or to extract the virtues of ingredients by infusion or decoction. --Quincy. [1913 Webster]
 

goatlady2

Deceased
Care to explain, Ishah, where the medicinal properties are after they are broken down and extracted? I do believe they are in the alcohol and to be in the alcohol they are in the actual molecules which make up the liquid , I do believe. So therefore, the less "flavoring,coloring" already in the alcohol, the more room for the extracted medicinal properties. But you are close to correct in that SOME herbs extract better in brandy rather than vodka and some do better in Everclear - just depends on the particular herb being tinctured.
 

Tink

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Amberglass

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I made bottles of the tincture about 3 years ago. I used the dried elderberries and straight vodka...

I put the bottles in my spare fridge and there they have sat...in the cold dark fridge.

They should still be good....right?:confused:
 

Tink

Veteran Member
I made bottles of the tincture about 3 years ago. I used the dried elderberries and straight vodka...

I put the bottles in my spare fridge and there they have sat...in the cold dark fridge.

They should still be good....right?:confused:

Post #33 says [FONT=Verdana,Arial]indefinitely in a cool, dark place. :shr:[/FONT]
 

summerthyme

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Yeah, tincture keeps a LONG time. I've used some (not elderberry) which was 12 years old, and which was clearly effective.

Syrup also seems to keep for at least several years, *especially* if you add that 10% alcohol to help preserve it. Plain syrup (without any alcohol) probably should be used in 2years, (based on my experience with other edible fruit syrups). I know the Todd's Honey Gardens syrup has an expiration date of at least 3 years after production... and I've used some a year or two out of date and found it to be fine.

The honey in the homemade elderberry syrup may start to crystalize after awhile, but if you just sit the bottle in hot water for awhile until it liquifies again, it should be fine.

Summerthyme
 
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