REL GENRL Vatican Says Koran Buring Would Be 'Outrageous'

Vatican Says Koran Buring Would Be 'Outrageous'

Updated: Wednesday, 08 Sep 2010, 8:36 AM EDT
Published : Wednesday, 08 Sep 2010, 8:18 AM EDT

AFP - The planned mass burning of copies of the Koran in Florida on Sept. 11 would be "an outrageous and grave gesture," the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue said Wednesday.

Florida pastor Terry Jones, of the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, vowed to burn the Muslim holy book in a protest against extremism.

"No one burns the Koran," read the headline in Tuesday's L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican's paper.

The Vatican's condemnation added to a chorus of voices asking Jones to reconsider his protest.

The planned Koran burning drew widespread protest from leading figures, including U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David Petraeus.

Last month, The Dove World Outreach Center of Gainesville made international headlines when it announced on its Facebook page that members of its congregation would burn copies of the Koran to mark the ninth anniversary of the September 11 attacks on the U.S. Church leaders asked other religious groups to join in standing, "against the evil of Islam," and saying "Islam is of the devil!"

Rev. Jones -- who has written a book titled "Islam is of The Devil" and sells T-shirts bearing the same message -- has defended the controversial event.

The Facebook event had received thousands of "Like" recommendations by users, but had also been attacked with a number of threatening messages posted on the page and received corresponding anti-Islam rants.

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/nat...-buring-would-be-outrageous-newscore-20100908

Does the Vatican shriek in outrage when muzzies burn Bibles?

????

Burn it...

Burn for the women who have been stoned in Iran
Burn it for the women who have had acid thrown in their faces in Pakistan
Burn it for the women who are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia
Burn it for the 7 year old girls being married off to old men in Gaza
Burn it for the victims of female circumcision

Got to go to work else I would keep going...

I would have to agree.

How would all the Christians who support this book burning feel, if it was a mosque in Saudi Arabia or Iran, having a special event and burning stacks of King James Bibles? Which was highly publicized?

Pretty pissed I would bet. What's the point of the whole exercise?

The lack of empathy is astounding. By that I mean the apparent lack of the ability to see things from another man's perspective, or to walk a mile in his shoes.

That sort of religio-centrism is dangerous. Religious fanatics of every stripe are dangerous. They are threats to liberty, to the Constitution, and to life if they don't have a central government restraining their actions. They favor theocracy.

I know a number of Baptists who would think nothing of burning alive people of other faiths who drink alcohol, if it weren't illegal. I mean they really HATE people who drink a beer occasionally.

And they are totally assured that they would be doing the 'right thing' in the eyes of their God.

That should scare you. It scares me. That's fanaticism and it exists in this country as much as anywhere else, if not more so. They may be the 'zombies' I'm going to have to defend against eventually because I think I have the right to drink a glass of wine with my dinner if I so choose.

They seem to forget that Jesus turned water into WINE, not lemonade or sweet tea. They are more like Catholics of the Inquisition era than anything resembling the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Muslims don't hold a monopoly on fanatic whack jobs, by any means.

But muslims constitute 99% of all terror attacks.

I don't see any Baptists running around blowing people up period.

That's a weird response.
Rather than use scripture to defend the Bibical of not to offending anyone their statement sounds like they themselves are offended about the koran in particular. Hmmm.

Muslim group to distribute replacement Qurans in response to planned burning
By the CNN Wire Staff
September 9, 2010 9:02 a.m. EDT



CNN) -- A major Islamic group will announce an initiative Thursday to distribute 200,000 Qurans to replace what it says are 200 copies that a Florida church plans to burn in a gesture that has sparked controversy worldwide.

The Rev. Terry Jones, pastor of Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, said he will go ahead with plans to burn Qurans on the anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks.

Jones' plan comes amid increased pressure and warnings that doing so could endanger U.S. troops and Americans worldwide.

On Wednesday, the Vatican joined a chorus of groups imploring the church not to burn Islam's holy book, saying it would be an "outrageous and grave gesture."


The president of the General Assembly also expressed concern about the planned Quran burning. Ali Abdussalam Treki said it will "lead to uncontrollable reactions" and spark tension worldwide.

Earlier this week, Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. military commander in Afghanistan, warned that the plan "could cause significant problems" for American troops overseas.

Despite the growing pressure, Jones has rejected the pleas, saying his message targets radical Islamists.

"The general needs to point his finger to radical Islam and tell them to shut up, tell them to stop, tell them that we will not bow our knees to them," Jones said on CNN's "AC360."

"We are burning the book," Jones said. "We are not killing someone. We are not murdering people."
( Point well taken!! HF)

In response, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a Muslim civil liberties and advocacy group, plans to hold a news conference in Washington on Thursday to address the issue. The group's "Learn, Don't Burn" initiative includes the distribution of of 200,000 Qurans and other activities planned for Friday and Saturday.

"This educational initiative is designed for those who seek a proactive and constructive response to the church's very un-American actions," said Nihad Awad, CAIR national executive director.

"The tiny group of extremists carrying out the book burnings clearly do not represent our society or its values and have been repudiated by all mainstream religious and political leaders."

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg is one of the few public officials who defended Jones' right to go ahead, even as he condemned the idea as "distasteful."

"I don't think he would like if somebody burned a book that in his religion he thinks is holy. ... But the First Amendment protects everybody, and you can't say that we are going to apply the First Amendment to only those cases where we are in agreement," Bloomberg said, citing the section of the Constitution that promises freedom of speech.

The planned action has drawn sharp criticism worldwide.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation, which is dedicated to protecting U.S. troops from religious intolerance, has promised to buy one new Quran and donate it to the Afghan National Army for each one burned in Florida.

Petraeus has warned that the burning will endanger the lives of the 120,000 U.S. and NATO-led troops still battling al Qaeda and its allies in the Islamic fundamentalist Taliban movement.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/09/florida.quran.burning/?hpt=C2

Still more threats.

AND more freaking Qurans in this country. Ugh.


Nobody can burn a book?

They can't have their ground zero mosque?

So they always react in violence unless people back down.


Bow down, slaves, let Islam dictate to you in your own country.

Theres several points/lessons;

Burning the Koran is a stupid act, theres no need to do meaningless rituals -its real purpose is to irritate the Muslims.

However, as has been pointed out - what would be the reaction if it was Bibles? Pretty much nothing So ...........

Why the special outrage and implied protection of Muslims as opposed to other religious groups/works? Its so weird, immediately after 911 Muslims were exalted into a special priveledged/protected class. "People are crazy."

We burn books, they behead people.

I wonder if the Vatican has noticed that?

Where is the outrage...........really?

Just sickening!! I am sick of all the PC crap and sick of the "officials" reactions!! Who really gives a rats "a" i that guy burns Korans? Where is the outrage from the Vatican when they kill Christians just for being Christians?? Is that an eye for an eye? And they are threatening to kill Americans because of this!! Where is the outrage at that??!! They can threaten to kill us but we can't even burn a book?? I wish I had my own Koran to burn right now. I would douse it in Pig's blood first!!

mzkitty said:

Still more threats.

AND more freaking Qurans in this country. Ugh.


Nobody can burn a book?

They can't have their ground zero mosque?

So they always react in violence unless people back down.


Bow down, slaves, let Islam dictate to you in your own country.

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That's right, Mz Kitty.

All of those defending the building of the ground zero mosque and speaking out against the planned Koran burning have already submitted to Islam and that's how Muslims will perceive it. These people are all enemies to the West and all non-muslims. Make no mistake about that.

This will only encourage Muslims further in the jihad against non-Muslims as they continue to establish Islam across the world. Our time to resist is running out.

Yes, as pointed in the so called news medium burning a book is closely associated with Nazism, but this is not just any book this is The Koran which represent, Persecution, Murder, Terror, Subjugation of Women and Human Rights, all around the world. This all represent what is consider to be most evil in the world, and I'm tired of all the pandering to the Muslims that I see going on in the press, and by so called Christian as their brothers and sisters are murder by Muslims all around the world, with little or no out cry against this evil that is creeping into our country and will eventually consume it.

Just my thoughts on this.

Being a Roman Catholic, I still cannot forget the anger I felt when some muslims broke into a Christian church in Jerusalem a few years back and openly taunted that they had used the pages of the Holy Bible to wipe the poo off their butts.

And none of the Christian denominations said a peep about it. Not one, because I can safely assume, they are afraid of the violence that always ensues when a muslim from the ME thinks he has been mocked.

I do not condone book burning, however this act that may take place this saturday may show the ME that we are not the pussies that everyone has now (rightly so due to our foreign relations) thought of our nation.

I grew up amongst and in the thickest midst of the shiite and I will tell you that about 99.4% of the Christians I know here and in Canada haven't a clue as to what the real tenets of islam is. Not one clue and they (the mulims) cannot be negotiated with religion wise in the same and Christian way. Too ferengi are they.

Theirs is not to 'turn the other cheek' and the Christians must realize this before it's to late and they fall in to the trap. V

The Muslim religion is more efficient at controlling the great unwashed masses than Christianity, thus the big boyz, from Prince Charles to the whole NWO are filling their countries with them and pushing this as fast as they can. Even in the US, many states which have been decimated with crashing employment are now being repopulated with new Muslim majorities, imported from Somalia and several other locales.

This whole incident is being grabbed upon by their media as an opportunistic virus grabs a weakened body, and is entirely negative for Christians, and protestants in particular.

Expect some sort of terror attack -- possibly a false flag -- which will be seen as "justified" by a large percentage of the world pop because of the tiny, pig-headedness of the evil US common man.

How can you all walk into such a trap with your eyes open?

As a side effect, Obama is being viewed more than ever as a weak and ineffective president. While this is inevitable, as he's the worst empty suit in the white house in at least 100 years, it will cause even more instability in US-allied countries, such as Egypt, and give weight to the foes of our Country.

Any good side to this? Nothing anyone can see....having your side equated with book-burning NAZI's with the photo images to match sounds like self-destruction to me. Moving along the WWIII scenario quite nicely, however. The NWO thanks you for your participation.

almost ready is dead on.

But, I've got to ask...

Where was the Vatican when the Christians were recently murdered in Afghanistan for simply being Christian?

I would suspect that murder would be a greater sin than burning a book.

Where was the out cry when Muslims destroyed thousand year old religious monuments world wide?

Where IS the outcry when Muslims blow themselves up along with innocent Christians or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists?

And, as an American, I would think people would understand that burning a book as a show of protest against crimes committed in the name of Islam is PROTECTED as freedom of speech.

I don't agree with the burning of the Koran. I think it's counter productive. But, I believe it is equally as fundamental a test of freedom of speech as is burning the U.S. flag as done by illegals and dumb ass leftists here.

Personally, I think this story has received WAY too much press. It was a little story which was forced to go global for some nefarious reason. I suppose to balance out the whole Ground Zero Mosque.

Media manipulates a non-story of a man with a church following of 50 in to a global quagmire and only a mere few see the real deal...

Mike

The appeasement crowd has yet to learn that their efforts are futile.
There is no bargaining with a mad rabid dog. The only cure is to remove
the life from the poor wretched creature and put it out of its misery.
Only a fool would attempt to console a rabid dog with soothing words
and "compassionate understanding", asking "Can't we all just get
along?" There is no bargaining with a mad rabid dog. The only cure
is to remove the life from the poor wretched creature and put it out
of its misery. Mark 5:9-15 is but one example of how Jesus handled
demonic creatures.

The Vatican Council might have different thoughts when threats are
made and fatwahs issued against the Pope himself for being what
they deem as an infidel to Islam. Right now the Vatican is being
luke warm. Jesus said in Revelation 3:15 “I know your works, that you
are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So
then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit
you out of My mouth".

History shows us the pattern of Islam. Will the Vatican remain lukewarm?
Will the U.S.A.?
It's all just a matter of time, you know.

The planned mass burning of copies of the Koran in Florida on Sept. 11 would be "an outrageous and grave gesture," the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue said Wednesday.

So is blowing people up and cutting their heads off. but I guess that's "less outrageous" somehow....

You guys don't seem to get realpolitik and PR -- at all. It's never about right and wrong. It's all about POSITIONING. The FLorida pastor is doing the Muslims and their NWO buddies a great service by positioning himself with the NAZI's -- and by your agreement with him, you, too.

Thus the DHS report just a couple weeks back that lists you "patriots" and "constitutionalists" as the great threat to the country takes on legs. CNN couldn't have done it better. Chances are very, very good that this previously unknown pastor is an operative, like that far-right radio guy who just got sentenced to jail although he was an FBI plant.

Book burner = NAZI. THat's firmly implanted into everyone's psycle.



Hard to believe you guys are walking into this -- eyes wide shut....

As a postscript, this is so bad, and being blown so out of proportion by the opportunistic press, that it is likely to undo whatever good the teaparty did, and put Obama back on top -- see what evil he is fighting!!

The best thing you can do is talk the pastor out of his folly before it becomes Obama's October surprise.

See ya later.

This is a pretty interesting conundrum really.

The statement has been said of the Ground Zero Mosque, "Yes, it is legal but is it right?"

The same can statement be made of the burning of the Koran.

Then, the Imam of the G/zero Mosque comes out and says if the mosque is not built we are inviting attacks.

And Islam comes out and says, if this guy burns the Koran, it is inviting attacks.

And, this is how Islam works. This is feeding directly in to their War Against the Infidels playbook.

So, how did the guy with the little church with the few members in Florida get world wide exposure?

Why did Petreaous speak out against the burning?

Why is Obama speaking out against the burning?

Who is pulling the strings here?

Right now, if the guy does burn the Koran, we are SOL.

If the guy doesn't burn the Koran, we are SOL.

It is a catch 22.

A set up.

Mike

AR, first, you know that I am totally against the Qu-ran buring. That being said, what are people supposed to do in order to somehow "prove the worthiness" of their political goals? Roll over and ask to be raped yet again? Just "lay back and enjoy it", hmmm...?

That's what we've done now for 40 years. Look at all the great "progress" our country has made...

The Vatican has in fact issued statements repeatedly about the persecution of Christians worldwide and especially in Muslim countries. How many of you who think they haven't actually pay attention to the Vatican in the first place (my guess is few or none), and if the MSM doesn't cover a particular Vatican statement, does that mean the statement was not issued (because we know how trustworthy and thorough the MSM is, right?)? Get a grip.

If you want to ally yourself with bookburners be my guest, look up the phrase "unintended consequences" before you throw the dictionary on the fire, though (see post #19).

Jesus taught: “But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

“If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful." --- Luke 6: 27-36 (bold added)


If you are not a Christian, you may see this teaching as irrelevant, etc.. If you are a Christian, you still have free will and may choose to honor it. But don't make the argument that it's not what Jesus taught.

This whole book burning bit is becoming incredibly stupid.

It serves no other purpose than to rile up the bees. The person doing it may think they're safe, but are they willing to accept responsibility when innocent bystanders get stung because of their actions?

Is the pastor willing to accept the blood on his hands for the backlash against those who are not even responsible, but are simply guilty by association?

The Islamatics are not going to be able to reach the person responsible, so they're going to take out their hostility on those Christians nearest to them - and to what end? What is gained from this? People know that bees sting! People know that radical Islamists murder! Nothing is achieved here. Nothing is gained, and the blood of the innocent will be on the hands of those who incite the bees to violence.

Fools.

almost ready said:

You guys don't seem to get realpolitik and PR -- at all. It's never about right and wrong. It's all about POSITIONING. The FLorida pastor is doing the Muslims and their NWO buddies a great service by positioning himself with the NAZI's -- and by your agreement with him, you, too.

Thus the DHS report just a couple weeks back that lists you "patriots" and "constitutionalists" as the great threat to the country takes on legs. CNN couldn't have done it better. Chances are very, very good that this previously unknown pastor is an operative, like that far-right radio guy who just got sentenced to jail although he was an FBI plant.

Book burner = NAZI. THat's firmly implanted into everyone's psycle.

Hard to believe you guys are walking into this -- eyes wide shut....

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Then again, they were allies in WW2. Google it.
Maybe there is more to this.

timbo said:

We burn books, they behead people.

I wonder if the Vatican has noticed that?

Where is the outrage...........really?

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The Vatican is just happy all eyes are momentarily taken off their little discretions (molestations) for a few minutes, anyway.

FREEBIRD said:

If you are not a Christian, you may see this teaching as irrelevant, etc.. If you are a Christian, you still have free will and may choose to honor it. But don't make the argument that it's not what Jesus taught.

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Did Jesus intend for us to bow down and give our life over to be killed by evil people? Did he intend for evil to overtake the world with no resistance?

I can assure if you if I continued to live by those words, I'd be dead today. I guess I loved my kids more than Jesus so I guess I'll end up in hell because I chose to live and be there to raise those kids instead of bowing down and letting a psychopath take life from me. Well if that's what heaven is all about then... I will respectfully decline.

I do my best to live right and get through this life, let God in heaven judge me. He will. But I refuse to throw common sense out the window. I know in my heart the difference between good and evil. Good is not allowing evil to have it's way. Good is putting a stop to evil.

I am so sick of hearing those Biblical words. They are used to control people in evil ways. It's no different than what Muslims do to women. There has to be a line drawn between passiveness and self defense or you're as good as dead.

And if I'm wrong, what's it matter? You suffer either way. May as well fight to live and at least try to do what good you can for the world.

Mrs.Cw

Aardaerimus said:

This whole book burning bit is becoming incredibly stupid.

It serves no other purpose than to rile up the bees. The person doing it may think they're safe, but are they willing to accept responsibility when innocent bystanders get stung because of their actions?

Is the pastor willing to accept the blood on his hands for the backlash against those who are not even responsible, but are simply guilty by association?

The Islamatics are not going to be able to reach the person responsible, so they're going to take out their hostility on those Christians nearest to them - and to what end? What is gained from this? People know that bees sting! People know that radical Islamists murder! Nothing is achieved here. Nothing is gained, and the blood of the innocent will be on the hands of those who incite the bees to violence.

Fools.

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how long are we to stand by while innocent people are and my country are getting over taken. it does not matter if we burn the bookor not, they keep rolling on.
I say this, yes stir up the bees, then we know who they are.
I also say once again, by the time the populace and the tolerant say "oh-shit".....it's too late.

I am talking about burning a book as a gratuitous (and IMO childish) insult, not about the right of self-defense. One has the right to use force in self-defense or in the defense of the innocent who cannot defend themselves; neither circumstance is met in burning the Koran.

As far as loving one's enemies, one may use force (limited to what is necessary to stop the threat, as opposed to revenge or violence for its own sake) but that is not the same as hatred, wishing damnation on one's opponents, etc..

from topcat46
This will only encourage Muslims further in the jihad against non-Muslims as they continue to establish Islam across the world. Our time to resist is running out.

I have said this many times here and also among my friends, by the time the judeo-christian tolerant people go "oh-shit" ..... it's too late.

FREEBIRD said:

I am talking about burning a book as a gratuitous (and IMO childish) insult, not about the right of self-defense. One has the right to use force in self-defense or in the defense of the innocent who cannot defend themselves; neither circumstance is met in burning the Koran.

As far as loving one's enemies, one may use force (limited to what is necessary to stop the threat, as opposed to revenge or violence for its own sake) but that is not the same as hatred, wishing damnation on one's opponents, etc..

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I agree burning the book is childish but I defend the right of free speech. A fatwa has been issued for muslims to kill everyone who supports the book burning. Now that puts us in the corner for self defense.

You wrote;

Jesus taught: “But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

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If we are to truly follow that, no exceptions, then how would we ever survive in this world? Does the Bible give us exceptions? I haven't seen any exceptions stated Biblicly.

I do love Jesus and have tried my best to follow his commandments, but some of them seem to conflict with staying alive.

Mrs.Cw

DelRayMan said:

how long are we to stand by while innocent people are and my country are getting over taken. it does not matter if we burn the bookor not, they keep rolling on.
I say this, yes stir up the bees, then we know who they are.
I also say once again, by the time the populace and the tolerant say "oh-shit".....it's too late.

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In spite of your tantrums and emotional diatribe, nothing will change - even if you "flush them out" - because it's not happening here.

While you're safe at home sipping your soup, somewhere in a land far, far away, some poor girl will be murdered by Islamatics because some dolt thought he'd make a statement.

You could claim, "Well, they probably would have killed her anyway."

The simple fact is that YOU WILL stand by while your country is taken over and innocent people die. We all will. It's what we do here. Americans don't resist tyranny. Look how long we've had our rifles, and look at the .gov, today - thugs and tyrants.

Burning a religious book and pissing people off will not change that. But, maybe we can send some more military around the world to kill people for us. Yeah. That will make us feel better inside.

Aardaerimus said:

It serves no other purpose than to rile up the bees.

The person doing it may think they're safe, but are they
willing to accept responsibility when innocent bystanders
get stung because of their actions?

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Blessed are the beekeepers who remain at rest,
but cursed are those who stir up a hornet's nest.

Astounding uproar over the as-yet, NON-EVENT! (and in no way would I condone or encourage that book-burning stupidity)

However, it's sad that more voices aren't raised against the destructive deeds muslims have done against other religion's artifacts that have ALREADY HAPPENED in addition to the wholesale murder committed on 9-11.

Hypocrisy abounds and logic fails with this issue.

No wonder that the muslims see us as weak, ineffectual and ready to be taken over for 'submission'. We are, and they will try.

Bumblepuff said:

Blessed are the beekeepers who remain at rest,
but cursed are those who stir up a hornet's nest.

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I was amused, just then.

westboro just put out, they already did it once, and will do it again, on sat.

I am a pre-Vatican 2 Catholic. This pope should read the history of the Church and read "God's Battalions" The case for the Crusades by Rodney Stark.