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TRANS Ouch! Oregon sticks it to electric car owners. What about the climate emergency?
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    10 Ouch! Oregon sticks it to electric car owners. What about the climate emergency?

    Hahaha I guess economics is more important than the "climate emergency." As a taxpayer, I hope some of this goes to the free charging stations that are popping up everywhere. No one provides the rest of us with free gas or special parking spots near the front of the buildings.


    https://kval.com/news/local/electric...new-oregon-law

    Electric car owners subject to rising vehicle registration fees under new Oregon law

    by Tom Adams and KVAL.com Staff Friday, November 15th 2019


    Oregon is making a big change in January to base vehicle registration fees on the MPG rating of the vehicle you drive. (SBG)


    EUGENE, Ore. - If you own a high mile-per-gallon hybrid car or electric vehicle in Oregon, grab for your wallet.

    Vehicle registration fees are set to climb in Oregon, starting in January.

    The rise of high mileage hybrid and electric cars has meant less gas tax money flowing to state coffers, so the legislature passed a sweeping transportation bill in 2017 to boost the gas tax and revamp the registration fees we pay to Salem.

    Oregon is making a big change in January to base vehicle registration fees on the MPG rating of the vehicle you drive.

    The more miles per gallon a vehicle gets, the higher the fees you pay. This is to make up for what isn't paid to the state through gas taxes.

    “But as that becomes irrelevant and impractical, we needed to find a different way so this is how the legislature has addressed that,” said David House, the Public Affairs Representative for ODOT.

    House says for the most common vehicles the fee hike is minimal.

    “So for a typical gasoline car that gets 20 to 39 miles per gallon, the fee is going up $20 every 2 years,” he said.

    From $112 to $132 bucks. Cars that get 40 miles-per-gallon or more, the 2-year fee jumps $40 to $152. If you own a fully electric car, get set to pay $306 for 2 years.


    “I've asked some of my members about it and they aren't pleased,” said Phil Barnhart, with Emerald Valley Electric Vehicle Association.

    Barnhart explains the reasoning behind charging higher fees on electric cars.

    His members fear a huge registration fee hike sends the wrong message.

    “We should be encouraging more people to drive electric cars and fewer driving gasoline cars, because of the climate emergency,” he said.


    Barnhart said members of the Emerald Valley Electric Car Association, which he leads, worry the increase will discourage people from buying electric cars. But he said the bill also included new incentives to purchase the e-cars.

    But there is a different way to go if high MPG car owners want to pay a lower up-front fee.

    "You would have the option to enroll in OreGo and pay a lower fee and then pay by the mile,” said House.

    OreGo is ODOT's future program to base registration fees entirely on the miles your vehicle travels on Oregon highways.

    You can enroll for OreGo by going to myorego.org/calculator where you can also see the fee scale.

    Barnhart did vote for the transportation bill in 2017, and tells me the compromises reached on the registration fees are reasonable.

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    Yeah, I expect to see this in CA soon as well....you got to love the rusty steel trap manner these critters minds function and the just plain evil manner of those leading the decline...

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    I think that what leaves a bad taste in ALL Taxpayers mouths is the outright flat assertion by our government that NO other benefit brought by taxpayers actions to lower their tax burden outweighs the RIGHT OF THE GOVERNMENT TO THE MONEY they expected to reap from us.

    Our government thus has NO INCENTIVE TO reduce government spending, reduce fraud, waste, and abuse or to meet their most important responsibilities more effectively and efficiently. It paints citizens as government LIVESTOCK, subject to any means of further “milking” our rulers can invent.

    That could have been largely avoided by citing the amount of “lost revenue” and enumerating the changes in budget savings enacted to offset some or all of the drop in tax revenue. We see no ongoing effort by our government to reduce spending. Ever increasing taxation cannot simply be justified by “more people” unless you dismiss the idea that more people ALSO means more people taxed!
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    The key to the announcement in this article are these lines: But there is a different way to go if high MPG car owners want to pay a lower up-front fee. "You would have the option to enroll in OreGo and pay a lower fee and then pay by the mile,” said House.

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    This will be a huge bait and switch. The illuminati/light-bearers/NWO/elite/PTB/deep state/whatever you want to call them have had this planned for a long time for control and taking of the wealth: another tax in the form of having all of us pay by the mile along with the tracking of everyone.
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    Oh this is going to get STUPID, really quick.

    I remember reading an article a few years back about a Midwest couple that got nailed for "back taxes" because they drove a bio-diesel vehicle and actually made their own fuel from waste cooking oil. The State felt that they owed the government for lost fuel taxes for using public roads. Seems they are going to get you no matter what you do....peasants must pay for their privileges, like free travel.
    We have done so much, with so little, for so long....We can now do anything, with nothing, forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TammyinWI View Post
    The key to the announcement in this article are these lines: But there is a different way to go if high MPG car owners want to pay a lower up-front fee. "You would have the option to enroll in OreGo and pay a lower fee and then pay by the mile,” said House.

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    This will be a huge bait and switch. The illuminati/light-bearers/NWO/elite/PTB/deep state/whatever you want to call them have had this planned for a long time for control and taking of the wealth: another tax in the form of having all of us pay by the mile along with the tracking of everyone.
    Yup.

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    Oregon is leaning towards the "pay per mile" standard. I remember a couple years back that they were using volunteers to test the program. That way, they get everyone. The rural population wasn't happy about it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinecone View Post
    Oregon is leaning towards the "pay per mile" standard. I remember a couple years back that they were using volunteers to test the program. That way, they get everyone. The rural population wasn't happy about it at all.
    And PUNISH the rural folks for living outside major cities. Hmmmm is this part of that Agenda 21 scheme, or something like it? Inquiring minds want to know. (but we already know the answer to that question, don't we?)
    We have done so much, with so little, for so long....We can now do anything, with nothing, forever.

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    Yep. Spent over a year fighting the Agenda 21 program concerning water and setbacks. We won that one, but the powers that be are insidious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMan View Post
    Oh this is going to get STUPID, really quick.

    I remember reading an article a few years back about a Midwest couple that got nailed for "back taxes" because they drove a bio-diesel vehicle and actually made their own fuel from waste cooking oil. The State felt that they owed the government for lost fuel taxes for using public roads. Seems they are going to get you no matter what you do....peasants must pay for their privileges, like free travel.
    I wouldn't even mind them trying to make sure that all users of public roads pay "their fair share"... road construction and maintenance is hugely expensive. But the bastards continue to raise gas taxes, and then STEAL every penny for their pet liberal bullsh!t projects, and the roads and bridges continue to deteriorate.

    They're gonna play hell chipping Amish horses to track their mileage, though!

    (And on a more serious note, horses and buggies cause tremendous road damage, especially when they're using caulked shoes for ice. They don't respect "road closed" signs (either they drive around them or move them), so newly paved or chip-and-sealed roads don't get any time to set and cure. So, roads that should last at least 5 years start breaking down and needing patching in a couple of seasons.)

    Another issue more recently is coming from the three huge (thousands of cows) dairies in town... the increase in equipment size and weight is outstripping the ability of the roads to handle it. There are quite a few roads in the area that have weight limitations in Spring and Fall... when the frost is working. Farm implements are apparently exempt from those rules... and the roads which are their most common routes to fields, etc, are literally destroyed. Of course, the fuel in all those tractors 8s rtax exempt, for *off road use* only. That worked when farms were the size of ours, and the furthest we drive on the road is 1500 feet or so to the furthest field al9ng our road frontage... which only happens maybe a dozen times. The big places are covering hundreds of miles a day (between many different machines), but aren't paying and road taxes...

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    The .gov greed and power drunk politicians in the Peoples Republic of Oregon know no bounds.
    You can thank the brain dead communists in Portland, Salem and Eugene, they elect the nut cases that come up with these schemes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinecone View Post
    Yep. Spent over a year fighting the Agenda 21 program concerning water and setbacks. We won that one, but the powers that be are insidious.
    . . . and, know how to organize and operate a well-funded legal machine - compliments of wealthy globalists. - the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights be damned.

    As usual, follow the money (to understand your globalists/communist-minded opponent(s)).


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    They've done similar in CA. They bitch and moan about limited resources, air pollution, "for the children", and how we need to move to clean vehicles. CA even incentivized purchases of EVs. Then the state turned around and stuck it to drivers through higher registration and tag renewal fees. We all got hit with an increase, but EVs really went up. CA said it's due to more efficient vehicles and less tax $ received at the pump. This is on top of a new $.057 fuel tax that started this past July. Californians now pay 47.3 cents per gallon tax at the pump. The gov't is going to get their money one way or another.
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    Hilarious. All the current car makers are investing heavily!!! into electric and hybrid cars. VW just announced a multi billion dollar investment in electrics in hybrids. Others are following suit and aiming at China as their largest market (or were until President Trump burst China's economic bubble).

    The only thing is-electrics and hybrids just don't sell very well. Had a local dealer get 4 Honda Clarity plug in hybrid cars last November. They just sold the last one 2 weeks ago. And Honda is no longer producing the car for sale in the mid Atlantic and Northeastern parts of the US. Apparently still too much unsold inventory. Too bad, they're actually very well built cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolt View Post
    They've done similar in CA. They bitch and moan about limited resources, air pollution, "for the children", and how we need to move to clean vehicles. CA even incentivized purchases of EVs. Then the state turned around and stuck it to drivers through higher registration and tag renewal fees. We all got hit with an increase, but EVs really went up. CA said it's due to more efficient vehicles and less tax $ received at the pump. This is on top of a new $.057 fuel tax that started this past July. Californians now pay 47.3 cents per gallon tax at the pump. The gov't is going to get OUR money one way or another.
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    The bottom line is that any concessions offered to Electric Car Owners will be withdrawn when and if electric cars become numerous. In the UK petrol and diesel tax is fully 100% of the cost of fuel, Electric cars can be charged using domestic supplies subject to only 5% tax. They are talking about electric cars being able to access bus lanes which will eventually become clogged with electric cars. There is no end to the stupidity of Governments.

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    Wait until TPTB figure out how to jack-up the cost of electricity, needed to operate electric cars . . . they'll get you coming, and they'll get you going . . .


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    Quote Originally Posted by AlfaMan View Post
    Hilarious. All the current car makers are investing heavily!!! into electric and hybrid cars. VW just announced a multi billion dollar investment in electrics in hybrids. Others are following suit and aiming at China as their largest market (or were until President Trump burst China's economic bubble).

    The only thing is-electrics and hybrids just don't sell very well. Had a local dealer get 4 Honda Clarity plug in hybrid cars last November. They just sold the last one 2 weeks ago. And Honda is no longer producing the car for sale in the mid Atlantic and Northeastern parts of the US. Apparently still too much unsold inventory. Too bad, they're actually very well built cars.
    I am guessing that, once the range is reliably and dependably raised to ~450 miles or so, with all of the electric accessories running, AND the 70% recharge cycles are reduced yet further - to say, 10-15 minutes - THEN automakers will see a turn-around in the buying public's desire for electric cars.


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    I'm waiting for someone to do the math and say it would be cheeper per-year to keep your non-electric car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post
    I'm waiting for someone to do the math and say it would be cheeper per-year to keep your non-electric car.
    With or without the rebates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinecone View Post
    With or without the rebates?


    Rebates don't come into this equation as it's the state government wanting to tax the hell out of you because you have a hybrid or all electric car and it will not stop with a yearly $150 registration fee as they will see it as a way to collect more money that will never be used to fix the roads. If they wanted to show good faith they would get rid of the pay scale requirement for contractors doing bids for roadway construction and repair and they will have the money to fix roads and hire more contractors to get it done fast.

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    The Founding Fathers would be appalled that we let ourselves get into the situation where the government taxes us so highly on everything we do. If the government could figure out how to tax sunshine and oxygen they would. Oregon cities already tax you for the rain that falls on your land. Sigh. If I ever have the honor of meeting any of the Founding Fathers in heaven, I will hang my head in shame.

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