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    South Korea Slaughters 380,000 Pigs After China's Pig Ebola Crosses Border

    Oh look, it's the worst case scenario!

    Fair use cited so on and so forth.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/commoditie...an-swine-fever

    South Korea Slaughters 380,000 Pigs After China's Pig Ebola Crosses Border

    by Tyler Durden
    Thu, 11/14/2019 - 19:25

    Cross-border transmissions of African swine fever is becoming a significant issue across Asia.

    Just last week, we warned about China exporting the hog-killing disease to Russia. Now it appears North Korea, a country that borders China, has already exported the virus to South Korea.

    South Korean authorities have been scrambling to contain the outbreak since mid-September.

    A new report from Reuters, indicates 380,000 pigs have been slaughtered since the end of September, in the northern region bordering North Korea.



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    Already, the government has led a significant effort to slaughter nearly 3% of the country's pig herd to prevent further spread. The first swine-fever case emerged in mid-September.

    Woo Hee-jong, a veterinary professor at Seoul National University, said government authorities aggressively killed pigs in the northern region to prevent the spread to large pig farms in the southern part of the country.

    As of October 10, swine fever cases were zero, and the attempt to prevent a further outbreak might have worked but has come at the cost of 380,000 pigs.

    So far, there are no reports of wild boar infected with the disease, but if that were the case, then the spread across the country would become unstoppable.

    The epicenter of the hog-killing disease started in China, where authorities have killed at least 50% of its pig herd this year.

    The cross-border spread of African swine fever from China to Russia; China to North Korea; and now North Korea to South Korea suggests the virus is becoming uncontrollable for governments.



    The spread of the virus across China has already led to skyrocketing food prices for pork, and rapid food inflation is likely to be seen in neighboring countries.





    Meanwhile, the US is sitting on record cold storage of pork bellies, something that China, Russia, North/South Korea might be interested in...

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    Arrrgghhhh... even their lovely, "official" graphic MIS-labels this disease as "swine flu"! IT'S NOT SWINE FLU!

    It's African Hemorrhagic Swine Fever. I wish people who write or edit for a living would learn that words have specific meanings... and meanings matter!

    That said... I'm watching for a sale on boneless pork loins... our local supermarket sells whole boneless louns at a good price every few months, and will cut them however you want for free. I want to vacuum pack some in the freezer, and make up a big batch of pork stew to can.

    I'm still hoping that we'll somehow manage to keep it off this continent, but I'm doubtful...

    Summerthyme

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    I find it interesting that we have a great push in the US for plant-based proteins. Impossible burger and many more. Are they preparing us for an animal-based protein shortage? Furthermore, notice that they aren't telling you what the plant-based protein really is. It's TSP. Soy is harmful to a male's prostate in some cases and can cause disruption in a female's estrogen. Notice also that they are not saying that these plant-based products are better for you. I haven't heard that even once. They are simply saying that they are plant-based. From what I've heard, 25% of all pigs in the world have been culled. This is going to unfold into a problem IMO.
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    North Korea says they don't have a problem with the fever. That is the most logical place for the South to get it. Liar, liar. Is the North exporting the fever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TorahTips View Post
    North Korea says they don't have a problem with the fever. That is the most logical place for the South to get it. Liar, liar. Is the North exporting the fever?
    North Korea also says their people aren't starving to death and their last president invented golf. North Korea has a bit of a truth problem. Or maybe had. Not sure these days.

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    North Korea also says their people aren't starving to death and their last president invented golf. North Korea has a bit of a truth problem. Or maybe had. Not sure these days.
    Don't forget they also invented the internet. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestGardener View Post
    Don't forget they also invented the internet. lol
    North Korea has plenty of hilarious and terrifying foibles. This 2009 article from Cracked is a great example. Fair use cited so on and so forth.

    https://www.cracked.com/article_1716...ship-ever.html

    6 Reasons North Korea is the Funniest Evil Dictatorship Ever
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    Some country has to be worst one on Earth, and based on the conversation they heard you having in your hotel room last night, North Korea is really worried that you might think it's them.

    Unfortunately for North Korea (and fortunately for us) they're just as bad at looking good as they are at being good, and their attempts to not make their country appear to be a festival of horrors usually end in laughable failure. For instance...

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    The Official North Korea Website Appears to be the Work of a Lone Middle School Child


    The Problem:

    Kim Jong-il is a self-proclaimed expert on the Internet, but understandably, Kim was having a hard time getting other people who were not otherwise required by law to believe this. No problem. He would just change their minds with the greatest Democratic People's Republic of Korea website...

    The Ridiculous Solution:

    ... that 1998 can buy!

    We'll understand if you're feeling a bit like a kid who's just been set loose at a carnival. But be sure not to miss the official Cafe Press store of the DPRK. Not only are there t-shirts, but most of them are entitled "Propaganda," and then numbered, a la George Foreman's kids.

    There is also a FAQ, full of facts about North Korea, but in question form. Nearly all of the answers are some variation on "Who told you that? THEY LIE."

    And the last question is one that we're fairly certain isn't frequently asked:



    By accepting gay people, but apparently hating glitter scarves, North Korea impressively manages to annoy both red and blue state citizens.


    Have we mentioned that the default language of this site is English? And on the older version of the site, Korean is not even listed as a language option?

    Wait, it Gets Worse...

    Because the main point of the site is to get you to join their fan club: the Korean Friendship Association!

    You get a membership card and everything! Just send your information, 50 Euros and a photocopy of your passport, and you can participate in activities that are roughly the same as things you did in your Justin Timberlake fan club.

    Please do not actually do this. We make no promises that you will not be stolen from your bed in the middle of the night, or that you will receive a free t-shirt.

    But the site is better then nothing. We're sure Somalia is jealous.

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    The North Korean Amusement Park Will Horrify Your Children


    The Problem:

    North Korea is kind of like a 12-year-old. It can't support itself because it spends a lot of its allowance on toys and various love letters to Kim Jong-il. And keep in mind "toys" means "weapons." They are always threatening to build a nuclear arsenal, but the world realizes this would be the point the whole North Korea thing would stop being funny.

    So North Korea has developed a system where they accept aid from countries in exchange for not running around with nuclear scissors. Which means that North Korea has a bit of a popularity and cash flow problem. Quick, what's a good capitalist pig solution for needing some money and good PR?

    The Ridiculous Solution:

    Why, opening a tourist resort, of course! A horrible, horrible tourist resort! Sponsored by Hyundai!

    OK, so the Kumgangsan Tourist Region isn't a massive money-maker, but there is kayaking. There are also no ATMs, no taking pictures on the bus, no looking like you might go towards a military area, no touching or pointing at any monuments for Kim Jong-il's dad, no referring to North Korea as North Korea and you must "respect the culture of the [North] Koreans" working there, which we're pretty sure is code for "shoplifters of [North] Koreans will be prosecuted."

    You laugh, but a woman was shot there last summer for breaking a rule, so let that be a lesson to you for whining about camp mess hall duty.

    Wait, it Gets Worse...

    And then there's the Meeting Hall for Separated Families.

    One of North Korea's hobbies is kidnapping South Koreans. Another hobby is not letting people leave North Korea. We think now might be a good time to get North Korea into knitting.

    Anyway, the Meeting Hall for Separated Families is billed as a resort amenity wherein once a year, the relatives of South Koreans trapped in North Korea can visit with their kidnapped kin.

    In case you don't want to do the math from Hell, North Korea is making money off tour packages sold to the relatives of the people they are holding captive. At their fun for all ages resort!

    Hope you brought a big enough suitcase for Grandma!

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    The Ryugyong Hotel of Unintentional Horror


    The Problem:

    OK, so we've got our own traumatizing version of Disney World. How else can we convince people that a repressed totalitarian regime can still be an awesome vacation spot? With the most awesome hotel in the world! And we'll make it look like a comic book supervillain headquarters!


    It was 1987, the capitalist world was wearing pastel blazers without irony, and the North Koreans were thinking that maybe they could soak up some of those excess riches via tourism. Or maybe North Korea just wanted to look fabulous in time for the Seoul Olympics. Whatever the reason, they decided they would build THE GREATEST HOTEL EVER... and do it in a way that only a totalitarian police state can!

    The Ridiculous Solution:

    Unfortunately, like most virgins of things, North Korea went in only with knowledge they'd seen on TV, had to stop before the project was even close to finished and now just pretends it never happened. Breaking ground in 1987, the Ryugyong Hotel, at one point, would have been the tallest hotel in the world. There were going to be seven revolving restaurants at the top. Considering the quality of construction of the project, it seemed inevitable that at least one of them would go spinning off into the horizon like a Frisbee.

    The North Koreans even put it on a postage stamp before it was finished. This made it even more uncomfortable when construction shut down in 1992, thought to be because the dissolved Soviet Union was no longer funding the project and huge errors in construction made it unsafe to stand within 10 blocks of the thing.

    So, for the next 16 years, the hotel stood with pretty much nothing but the concrete frame, a depressing gray monster towering over the city.

    The hotel, the distinctive shape of which utterly dominated the skyline, was often Photoshopped out of pictures. Tour guides and many officials sheepishly ignored it, having collectively decided that this is going to be the one thing about their country they are going to be embarrassed about.

    Wait, it Gets Worse...

    Last year, Orascom Telecom, an Eypgtian telecommunications company, agreed to pick up the bill to at least make the hotel look finished, because they are setting up North Korea's first 3G network (of which there will be likely one user) and are using the structure as a signal tower.

    Meanwhile the "hotel" has a 2012 completion date, at which point we expect they will announce that it is simply "too popular to take open reservations."

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    The Giant Invasion Tunnel That Doesn't Exist


    The Problem:

    The Korean DMZ is the strip of land that straddles the border between North and South Korea, and is one of the most well preserved forest areas on the planet. This is because it is also home to an estimated one million landmines, so nobody is real interested in bothering it. It's possibly also proof that the endangered rainforests just aren't doing it right.

    Nevertheless, North Korea is like that sticky kid who won't stop touching South Korea in pre-school, so the landmines are pretty much the only thing standing between South Korea and South Korea not being much fun anymore.

    So, pretend that you're North Korea: an aggressive state with a million landmine restraining order against you, but you really, really want to get back with South Korea. You've already ruled out the comically large slingshot. So you decide to tunnel underneath the DMZ.

    But then you get caught. Plus, they find a banner in the tunnel that says "Down with American Imperialists," so you can't blame it on crab people.

    Do you:
    A) Deny everything, or
    B) Own up to it, laugh in an unsettling way and say that the next time, you're coming back with your spider cannon?

    The Ridiculous Solution:

    If you picked either of the above, it's probably because your brain doesn't suffer from horrible malnutrition. But you're North Korea, so the answer is:


    C) Claim that the tunnel was a coal mine. A coal mine that happened to have a banner in it.

    Which was a problem for the United Nations Command asking the questions, because there isn't a trace of coal in the entire tunnel. And coal isn't found in that level of bedrock. And North Korea is a coal producing country, so they can't say they don't know any better.

    Wait, it Gets Worse...

    To attempt to create proof, North Korea sent people into the tunnel to paint some walls black so that they might look like coal. To a toddler, anyway. See, this is the attitude that keeps North Korea from making friends. And they really need friends, because only a friend would point out that, as a coal-producing country, they could easily have just planted the real thing.

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    "Welcome, Our Japanese Friends! What Kidnappings? Oh, Those."


    The Problem:

    The "Axis of Evil" speech was a coming out party for the cartoonishly evil North Korea. However, "silly amounts of oppressive" is rarely a selling point for a country that, as we mentioned, needs friends. And they don't need just any friends: North Korea needs the type of friends who will let them raid the fridge even though they've spent all their money on booze.

    So, North Korea cleaned house, dusted off their best suits, and invited Junchiro Koizumi, the prime minister of Japan, over to begin diplomatic relations (ie, a "you give us food for free" program) for the very first time. But Japan wasn't just going to give it up for free. North Korea was going to have to make a grand gesture, stand outside Japan's hotel window, raise a boom box over their heads and blast...

    The Ridiculous Solution:

    "... You were right, we did kidnap a bunch of your citizens in the 70s in order to train people to spy on you! Sorry!"

    Touched by this gracious act of friendship, Junchiro asked the obvious question of where the captives were now. North Korea had not actually planned for that.

    Wait, it Gets Worse...

    At first, they hastily produced eight sketchy death certificates and pronounced the matter to be closed. This was a problem for Japan, as North Korea had owned up to kidnapping 13 people. Eventually, North Korea begrudgingly agreed to let the five living captive Japanese go back to Japan, but only if they promise to come back.

    But by this point, Junchiro and the captives were safely back in Japan, so they didn't have to do anything that the crazy men with the clown masks and machetes were asking.

    Facing a Japan that was more furious at them than ever before, North Korea provided what it claimed was the bones and ashes of two of the fallen captives. Unfortunately, "Science" class in North Korea has been co-opted by "Ways Kim Jong-il is Science" class, and no one there has heard of a DNA test. Which Japan performed, and then called shenanigans on the basis that North Korea had literally just thrown a bunch of different people's remains into a couple of boxes and called it a day. North Korea was told to get their grubby hands out of Japan's fridge.

    North Korea called bullshit, and then asked for the remains back, perhaps hoping for a do-over.

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    They Made Their Own Godzilla Movie... at Gunpoint

    The Problem:

    Sometime in the late 70s, a young, scrappy Kim Jong-il was kicking around his palace, totally bummed out. "Why doesn't everyone on Earth love our glorious state?" he must have wondered. "Why doesn't everyone want to be a part of it?" As he surveyed the dirt poor, militarily controlled North Korea, he must have deduced that it was because of a lack of film.

    A film buff himself, Kim Jong-il has actually authored a text-book on the subject, a title that is required reading for all film students who are actually CIA agents. Thus, Kim decided that he was just going to have to create great North Korean cinema himself. . .

    The Ridiculous Solution:

    . . .By kidnapping a famous director and his recently estranged actress wife from South Korea, and forcing them to make, amongst other things, the communist version of Godzilla.



    Shin Sang-ok and Choi Eun-Hee were initially jailed by North Korea for four-years prior to being asked to make movies by Kim Jong-il, who explained that he had been delayed because "things were busy at the office." We imagine that this was because of all the other kidnapped people who were ahead of them in line.

    Pulgasari, presumably made because Godzilla was not kitschy enough, is the charming story of a monster originally created "for the people" who eventually turns on them after being corrupted by greed and capitalism. Which seems bizarre, until you remember that the people who made this were mostly being fed grass.



    It was not released until 1998, when a Japanese critic, most likely snickering, encouraged North Korea to release it, claiming that it could be a source of income, as well as a chance to screen an unheralded work.

    Wait, it Gets Worse...

    Ironically, the reported story of Shin and Choi would have made a ****ing unbelievable film. They were kidnapped, tried to escape, failed, were placed in solitary for years, thought the other to be dead, discovered the other was alive after being brought to the most Idi Amin-esque dinner party ever, were then forced to make films and then fell back in love, before finally making a dramatic escape (including a taxi chase!) in Vienna.

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    TICK, TICK, TICK, TOCK.

    We are now one mutation away to get pig to human transmission. We are now one global airplane flight to get that viral mutation spread out to start a pandemic. We are one step away from a repeat of the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic.

    And we can be absolutely sure the cretins at WHO, and the hack politicians, and the whore media, and the entire lot of them will not lift a finger to inform us, much less to save us. We are on our own.

    The Black Death Plague is also roaring around on Madagascar for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer Doug View Post
    TICK, TICK, TICK, TOCK.

    We are now one mutation away to get pig to human transmission. We are now one global airplane flight to get that viral mutation spread out to start a pandemic. We are one step away from a repeat of the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic.

    And we can be absolutely sure the cretins at WHO, and the hack politicians, and the whore media, and the entire lot of them will not lift a finger to inform us, much less to save us. We are on our own.

    The Black Death Plague is also roaring around on Madagascar for example.
    Grand Solar Minimum facts:

    * #1 -- Climate change that changes growing patterns -- beginning to happen
    * #2 -- Animal plague -- beginning with the swine fever
    * #3 -- Human pandemic (mutation of swine fever/black death?)
    * #4 -- social collapse/government collapse

    What have you read about black death? I heard it was only 2 cases. Have you heard of more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by summerthyme View Post
    Arrrgghhhh... even their lovely, "official" graphic MIS-labels this disease as "swine flu"! IT'S NOT SWINE FLU!

    It's African Hemorrhagic Swine Fever. I wish people who write or edit for a living would learn that words have specific meanings... and meanings matter!

    That said... I'm watching for a sale on boneless pork loins... our local supermarket sells whole boneless louns at a good price every few months, and will cut them however you want for free. I want to vacuum pack some in the freezer, and make up a big batch of pork stew to can.

    I'm still hoping that we'll somehow manage to keep it off this continent, but I'm doubtful...

    Summerthyme
    I agree with you! I think the term 'Hemorrhagic Fever' just scares the willies out of everyone and the powers that be want to avoid more damage to the pork industry.

    We're doing the same thing with pork products. We don't eat a lot of it, but it's nice for a change in menu. We've bought some pork chops at Costco, and this week picked up Jimmy Dean sausage on a buy 2 get 1 free sale, and Hillshire Polish Kielbasa on sale, too. We'll be adding more on sale as we can. The vacuum sealer will be busy for a while.

    I think its just a matter of time before it comes to the USA. After it does, the average person likely won't be able to afford pork products. Oh heck, guess I'd better add Libby's Vienna Sausages to our grocery list...

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    The situation on Madagascar with the Black Death bacteria has been ongoing for at least the last two years. And hundreds have died there, with multiple thousands being infected, and the situation now with the bacteria is endemic, as in they have a "Plague Season," that happens every single year, gets worse every single year and is spreading to multiple other countries. It has been posted here in detail so just check the Ebola thread, or whatever it is now listed over.
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    Coming soon to the Americas, Europe and Africa....

    Do you feel safe????

    It will only get worse....

    As the book says, 1/3 of mankind will perish....

    How do you get rid of over a 110,000,000 bodies in America much else over 2,680,000,000 bodies across the world????

    Funeral priers seen from space....

    Have a great weekend....

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    Word from down east is that China-owned Smithfield is running wide open.

    https://www.smithfieldfoods.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    Word from down east is that China-owned Smithfield is running wide open.

    https://www.smithfieldfoods.com/
    Does that mean 24/7 operations, or something different?

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    Word was, three shifts.
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    China should pay........

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    And it would be a perfect time for Pres Trump to declare a trade embargo on pork with China. Nothing made in the US gets shipped out to China.
    Then I'd nationalize Smithfield farms, take it completely away from China and resell it to the highest American bidder.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    Word from down east is that China-owned Smithfield is running wide open.

    https://www.smithfieldfoods.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlfaMan View Post
    And it would be a perfect time for Pres Trump to declare a trade embargo on pork with China. Nothing made in the US gets shipped out to China.
    Then I'd nationalize Smithfield farms, take it completely away from China and resell it to the highest American bidder.
    Opposite. Now is the perfect time to ban importation from China. Sell them all the pork they want. But stop anything that could possibly be a carrier of a disease form coming here.
    .
    .which means no fresh fruits, vegetables, or meats from china.

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    Quote Originally Posted by summerthyme View Post
    Arrrgghhhh... even their lovely, "official" graphic MIS-labels this disease as "swine flu"! IT'S NOT SWINE FLU!

    It's African Hemorrhagic Swine Fever. I wish people who write or edit for a living would learn that words have specific meanings... and meanings matter!

    That said... I'm watching for a sale on boneless pork loins... our local supermarket sells whole boneless louns at a good price every few months, and will cut them however you want for free. I want to vacuum pack some in the freezer, and make up a big batch of pork stew to can.

    I'm still hoping that we'll somehow manage to keep it off this continent, but I'm doubtful...

    Summerthyme
    thanks st.. I love pork and eat it every week

    I put a roast in the slow cooker and then end up eating it for 3-4 days

    mosta my diet is pork cuz beef is too expensive

    after I get tired of it, it goes into the freezer sliced

    I cant figger what to do with it after that, other than just reheat and eat more

    I need some recipe to make sumtin different

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    The "God who never changes" and the "God who is the same yesterday, today and forever" calls swine unclean and an abomination.
    He hasn't changed his mind!
    That's good enough for me!
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    So is it spreading?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20Gauge View Post
    So is it spreading?
    Well...yes. It's spreading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeker View Post
    thanks st.. I love pork and eat it every week

    I put a roast in the slow cooker and then end up eating it for 3-4 days

    mosta my diet is pork cuz beef is too expensive

    after I get tired of it, it goes into the freezer sliced

    I cant figger what to do with it after that, other than just reheat and eat more

    I need some recipe to make sumtin different
    You can reheat cooked pork in a slow cooker or low oven until it's falling apart tender (add liquid), then add barbecue sauce and shred the meat with 2 forks... pulled pork. Or look up a recipe for hash... chopped meat, onions, potatoes seasoned and fried together...

    Summerthyme

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    Quote Originally Posted by billet View Post
    The "God who never changes" and the "God who is the same yesterday, today and forever" calls swine unclean and an abomination.
    He hasn't changed his mind!
    That's good enough for me!
    And I suppose you won't be at all dissuaded by Mark 7:18-19

    And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    And I suppose you won't be at all dissuaded by Mark 7:18-19
    Not in the least.

    Are All Things Clean? (Mark 7:19) - 119 Ministries
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    Quote Originally Posted by billet View Post
    Not in the least.

    Are All Things Clean? (Mark 7:19) - 119 Ministries
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    Ah yes. One of those explanations.

    "Whatsoever thing entereth into a man, it cannot defile him." That's enough of an explanation for me. If food cannot defile, it cannot be unclean. Anything else just smacks of legalism.

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    Aaand... can we bring this thread back on topic? I suspect the clean/unclean foid debate has been done to death in the Religion area, but if you want yo start that again... there!... go for it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    Ah yes. One of those explanations.

    "Whatsoever thing entereth into a man, it cannot defile him." That's enough of an explanation for me. If food cannot defile, it cannot be unclean. Anything else just smacks of legalism.
    Oh, you mean a correct explanation? God defines quite clearly, what is to be eaten, and equally clear, what IS NOT to be eaten!
    Hint: PIG AIN'T FOOD!
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    Fad saol agat, gob fliuch, agus bás in Éirinn!

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    Here's the situational update from OIE - World Organization for Animal Health. Oct 31 - Nov 7

    Unless I'm reading it wrong, looks like Vietnam has it worse than China!

    https://rr-asia.oie.int/disease-info...ional-updates/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Gray Mare View Post
    Well...yes. It's spreading.
    That was what I was wondering. Thank you.

    From what I can tell, only the Americas and western Europe are free from this at this point in time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goosebeans View Post
    Here's the situational update from OIE - World Organization for Animal Health. Oct 31 - Nov 7

    Unless I'm reading it wrong, looks like Vietnam has it worse than China!

    https://rr-asia.oie.int/disease-info...ional-updates/
    No, they just seem to be reporting honestly. Never trust China to tell you the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20Gauge View Post
    No, they just seem to be reporting honestly. Never trust China to tell you the truth.
    yep... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1TV017

    However, the numbers of higs culled in the link goosebeans posted are apparently (if I understand the fine print) just UPDATES since the last report.

    A snip (I'm on my tablet.. if someone wants to bring the whole article over, please do) from my link above

    The government has reported 137 outbreaks so far, but many more are going unreported, most recently in southern provinces such as Guangdong, Guangxi and Hunan, according to four farmers and an official recently interviewed by Reuters.

    The vast and fragmented nature of China’s agricultural sector, a secretive bureaucracy and what is widely believed among industry experts to be poor Chinese data quality, makes the full extent of the disease impossible to ascertain.

    “Almost all the pigs here have died,” said a farmer in Bobai county in China’s southwestern Guangxi region. Guangxi produced more than 33 million pigs in 2017, and is a key supplier to southern China.

    “We were not allowed to report the pig disease,” she told Reuters, declining to reveal her name because of the sensitivity of the issue, adding that authorities have detained farmers for “spreading rumors” about the disease. Reuters was unable to verify this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by summerthyme View Post
    yep... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1TV017

    However, the numbers of higs culled in the link goosebeans posted are apparently (if I understand the fine print) just UPDATES since the last report.

    A snip (I'm on my tablet.. if someone wants to bring the whole article over, please do) from my link above

    Summerthyme
    Here you go - there is a pic but it's blurred on my computer so I'm not attempting to post it:


    Business NewsJune 29, 2019 / 9:43 PM / 5 months ago
    Swine fever toll in China may be twice as high as reported, industry insiders say

    Dominique Patton, Hallie Gu
    9 Min Read


    BEIJING (Reuters) - As many as half of China’s breeding pigs have either died from African swine fever or been slaughtered because of the spreading disease, twice as many as officially acknowledged, according to the estimates of four people who supply large farms.

    (For an interactive graphic click tmsnrt.rs/2t0mpCk)

    While other estimates are more conservative, the plunge in the number of sows is poised to leave a large hole in the supply of the country’s favorite meat, pushing up food prices and devastating livelihoods in a rural economy that includes 40 million pig farmers.

    “Something like 50% of sows are dead,” said Edgar Wayne Johnson, a veterinarian who has spent 14 years in China and founded Enable Agricultural Technology Consulting, a Beijing-based farm services firm with clients across the country.

    Three other executives at producers of vaccines, feed additives and genetics also estimate losses of 40% to 50%, based on falling sales for their companies’ products and direct knowledge of the extent of the deadly disease on farms across the country.

    Losses are not only from infected pigs dying or being culled, but also farmers sending pigs to market early when the disease is discovered nearby, farmers and industry insiders have told Reuters, which analysts say has kept a lid on pork prices in recent months.

    However, prices began rising substantially this month and China’s agricultural ministry has said they could surge by 70 percent in coming months as a result of the outbreak. Pork accounts for more than 60% of Chinese meat consumption.

    China, which produces half the world’s pork, said this month its sow herd declined by a record 23.9% in May from a year earlier, a slightly deeper drop than for the overall pig herd.

    Sows, or adult females bred to produce piglets for slaughter, account for roughly one in 10 pigs in China. A decline in the sow herd usually equates to a similar drop in pork output, industry experts say.

    (Graphic: African swine fever - tmsnrt.rs/2t4EnDK)

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    Thank you! Pics aren't that important (although when they are a pic of an extreme weather event or whatever thry can be interesting!) but the information in these articles often doesn't stay available online. Posting stuff her saves it for posterity... and future reference.

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    The chinese government imprisons people, kills them and then sell off the body parts to the highest bidder. nuff said
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer Doug View Post
    The chinese government imprisons people, kills them and then sell off the body parts to the highest bidder. nuff said
    And your point is?

    This is NOT about China, by itself... except indirectly. But aside from the extreme pressure this disease and these losses are going to create on both protein supplies and pork prices WORLDWIDE...(and that's assuming the extremely opportunistic scenario that we - somehow, miraculously - manage to keep it away from North America), think deeper.

    This is CHINA. A country which already has far too many males without mates; a country which depends on porknas their main protein/meat, a country that (as you point out, indirectly) has a brutal, utterly immoral dictatorship and a centuries old abhorrence of "losing face" (and having 30% of their population starve to death... OR having to admit their Great Leader really doesn't possess a magic wand that he can wave and fix anything, IS going to be "face" destroying, at least to their way of thinking).

    And you don't realize this could end up having a similar effect as the assassination of the Archduke?

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