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    With Approval from Vatican: Canaanite Idol ‘Moloch’ Put on Display in Rome

    With Approval from Vatican: Canaanite Idol ‘Moloch’ Put on Display in Rome

    https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/1...Y-1HCUiXukHubo





    The pagan Canaanite idol who required child sacrifice was displayed at the entrance of the Colosseum in Rome as part of a secular historical exhibition reports LifeSiteNews. The exhibition is part of a larger exhibit dedicated to Ancient Rome’s historic adversary, the city of Carthage. The exhibition is called ‘Carthago: The immortal myth’. It runs until March 29, 2020.

    Moloch exhibit at Colosseum (courtesy: Twitter/Darius Arya

    The statue’s presence comes just over a week following a video that emerged in what appears to be Pope Francis blessing a Pachama Goddess statue. It is well known that the Vatican is currently hoarding Israel’s stolen treasures from the second Temple.

    A source close to the matter told Breaking Israel News that: “There is no way that such a thing could be done without direct permission from the highest levels of the Vatican. The Colloseum of Rome is owned by the Vatican, and specifically the Diocese of Rome, also called the Holy See. If anyone wants to do anything there, they must get permissions from the office of the Diocese of Rome. This exhibition, called “Cathargo: the immortal myth” could not be held there at all unless permissions were granted at high levels.”

    The god ‘Moloch’, was historically worshipped by both the Canaanites and the Phoenicians.

    Do not allow any of your offspring to be offered up to Molech, and do not profane the name of your God: I am Hashem. (Leviticus 18:21)

    According to the Jewish commentator Rashi, the Canaanites would give their children to pagan leaders who made two massive bonfires. The child is carried by his legs through the two fires. The child was then burned alive. The Torah prohibition is regarding the ritual of giving over one’s children to these pagan leaders to pass through the fire.


    Parco archeologico del Colosseo (Parco), the organization that is managing the exhibition, claims that the purpose “is to help familiarize the public with the series of historical events that unite the two great powers of the ancient world, Carthage and Rome.”

    “A reconstruction of the terrible deity Moloch, linked to Phoenician and Carthaginian religions and featured in the 1914 film Cabiria (directed by Giovanni Pastore and written by Gabriele D’Annunzio) will be stationed at the entrance to the Colosseum to welcome visitors to the exhibition,” a press release stated about the controversial exhibit.

    The Colosseum was one of many Roman amphitheaters where Christians were tortured and executed to entertain pagan worshippers. The Vatican has remained silent and has not expressed any opposition to the diety’s presence. This has raised many eyebrows as the display comes on the heels of a controversial pagan ceremony involving the South American goddess of Pachama. The statues were two identical images of a naked pregnant Amazonian woman that were cast into Rome’s Tiber River.

    “As bishop of this diocese (Rome), I ask forgiveness from those who have been offended by this gesture” Pope Francis wrote in a statement.

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    Not positive which thread this belongs on, but on a related note:

    WASHINGTON, D.C.—The ancient god Moloch has announced that in lieu of the actual blood sacrifice of your children, you can now simply force your kids to become transgender as an alternative.

    "Honestly, I still prefer killing your kids in ritual sacrifice or aborting them," he said at a press conference. "I guess I'm old-fashioned like that. But coercing your kids into undergoing harmful surgery and hormone treatments works just as well, I suppose. As long as you're sacrificing your kid's future to the progressive, humanistic agenda, it doesn't matter one way or the other."

    Moloch said that parents who encourage their young children who haven't hit puberty yet or started thinking about sexuality at all to think about changing genders will be under the protection and favor of his evilness. "I am appeased by such sacrifice. A child's life is ruined so that a parent may appear woke in the eyes of her friends---truly a diabolical ritual that I wholly approve of."
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    Well, I hope God strikes it down with fire and brimstone..........

    This does not improve my opinion of the Catholic Church at all......


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    After all the other outrages, this development should come as no surprise.
    When do the followers say "enough"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjeep View Post
    After all the other outrages, this development should come as no surprise.
    When do the followers say "enough"?
    What do you expect us to do; behead the guy??
    God will clean His house in His own time.

    besides, poorly written article.
    "The Vatican" is hording Israeli treasures?? Sure
    I got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale too..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Owl View Post
    Well, I hope God strikes it down with fire and brimstone..........

    This does not improve my opinion of the Catholic Church at all......
    Amen. And I hope he takes out the vatican at the same time!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What do you expect us to do; behead the guy??
    God will clean His house in His own time.

    besides, poorly written article.
    "The Vatican" is hording Israeli treasures?? Sure
    I got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale too..
    Yep. V

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    Wow, this is just an amazing story. For the record, the Ammorite God Molech demanded the human sacrifice of babies and toddlers in his religious rites. The term "passing through the fire," refers to throwing a LIVE child through a ring into a fire built into a basin built into the "God," idol or whatever. God explicitly says he will "vomit a society out," for engaging in child sacrifice to molech. The shit is coming down on this pope for doing this.

    the fact that any Roman Catholic leader, especially the pope could sanction this in the Vatican means in no little terms that the current POPE IS AN EVIL MAN WHO ADVOCATES PAGANISM AND HUMAN SACRIFICE. Sorry, but you can't get around that given the open display of a pagan idol in the Vatican. and yeah, the spiritual backblast on this will be staggering.

    In case any of you have any illusions about God's attitude toward Molech go to this link.

    https://www.gotquestions.org/child-sacrifice.html

    Question: "What does the Bible say about child sacrifice?"

    Answer: The horrific practice of child sacrifice has been committed throughout the world for thousands of years. Generally, the sacrifice of a child was intertwined with the worship of a pagan deity, often a fertility god. Worshipers sought to obtain a blessing from their god(s) or to confirm or complete a vow taken in the name of the god.

    Ancient Aztecs, Incas, and a few other peoples in South and Central America practiced child sacrifice. The same for the Druids of Europe. The city of Carthage in North Africa contains evidence of child sacrifice related to the worship of Ba’al Hammon, a god imported from Phoenicia. Many Roman writers refer to this barbaric act in Carthage.

    The Bible contains the heart-breaking tale of child sacrifice practiced in the name of Molech (also spelled Moloch or Molek), a god of the Ammonites. Molech worship was practiced by the Ammonites and Canaanites, who revered Molech as a protecting father figure. Images of Molech were made of bronze, and their outstretched arms were heated red-hot. Living children were then placed into the idol’s hands and died there or were rolled into a fire pit below. Some sources indicate a child might also be “passed through the fire” prior to the actual sacrifice in order to purify or baptize the child. Molech worship occurred in the Hinnom Valley near Jerusalem. Because of this, the valley became associated with the idea of Tophet, or hell (Isaiah 30:33; Jeremiah 19:12; Mark 9:45).

    God prohibited Israel from child sacrifice in general and Molech worship in particular. Leviticus 20:2-5 states, “Say to the Israelites: ‘Any Israelite or any foreigner residing in Israel who sacrifices any of his children to Molek is to be put to death. The members of the community are to stone him. I myself will set my face against him and will cut him off from his people; for by sacrificing his children to Molek, he has defiled my sanctuary and profaned my holy name. If the members of the community close their eyes when that man sacrifices one of his children to Molek and if they fail to put him to death, I myself will set my face against him and his family and will cut them off from their people together with all who follow him in prostituting themselves to Molek.’” Many other Old Testament passages affirm God’s zero-tolerance for child sacrifice.

    Sadly, King Solomon became involved in this horrendous practice, as recorded in 1 Kings 11:4-11, “As Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods, and his heart was not fully devoted to the LORD his God, as the heart of David his father had been. He followed Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and Molek the detestable god of the Ammonites. So Solomon did evil in the eyes of the LORD. . . . On a hill east of Jerusalem, Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the detestable god of Moab, and for Molek the detestable god of the Ammonites. . . . The LORD became angry with Solomon because his heart had turned away from the LORD, the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice. Although he had forbidden Solomon to follow other gods, Solomon did not keep the LORD’s command.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer Doug View Post
    the fact that any Roman Catholic leader, especially the pope could sanction this in the Vatican
    It appears to be a secular historical display about Carthage, and not in the Vatican but on church-owned real estate. It's a little short of the Pope bowing to Molech, but YMMV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bw View Post
    It appears to be a secular historical display about Carthage, and not in the Vatican but on church-owned real estate. It's a little short of the Pope bowing to Molech, but YMMV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What do you expect us to do; behead the guy??
    God will clean His house in His own time.
    Sometimes bad guys need to be sent on their way to see God....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texican View Post
    Sometimes bad guys need to be sent on their way to see God....

    Texican....
    I have a friend that thinks like that. He's up to 70% of the worlds population. Thank God he's Christian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Do Not insist on reading comprehension. You will just kill the thread.
    The Old Testament is full of examples of kings and priests who stood by and allowed idol worship to exist. God did not like it then nor does He like it now. Sometimes you have to make a stand when you can make a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bw View Post
    It appears to be a secular historical display about Carthage, and not in the Vatican but on church-owned real estate. It's a little short of the Pope bowing to Molech, but YMMV.
    That's what I got out of the poorly written article. It's part of an exhibit, not a worship site, in Rome and not it St. Peter's. It isn't being worshiped. So if an exhibit of ancient Egyptian relics were being displayed, they would be treated with the same disdain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    That's what I got out of the poorly written article. It's part of an exhibit, not a worship site, in Rome and not it St. Peter's. It isn't being worshiped. So if an exhibit of ancient Egyptian relics were being displayed, they would be treated with the same disdain?
    The thing is there actually are Egyptian relics displayed all over Rome and even *gasp* in St. Pete's square!!!

    My God in heaven haven't any of you seen the movie Angels and demons???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What do you expect us to do; behead the guy??
    God will clean His house in His own time.

    besides, poorly written article.
    "The Vatican" is hording Israeli treasures?? Sure
    I got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale too..
    I'm not saying there isn't any Israeli treasures being stored somewhere in the Vatican. But noting who was making this claim, Breaking Israel News, made me a little bit suspicious about the whole article. Might they have an ax to grind here? It's sounding a lot like our perennially offended snowflakes just wanting to stir the pot. I am absolutely no fan of Bergoglio, but I really don't think that he had anything much to so with this. Since the Vatican owns the land, permission probably did have to come from some office there. I highly doubt that he had to give his okay. It's a lot like Trump and his property. There are managers for things like that.
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    The Catholic Church doesn't own the Colosseum.

    It's a historical exhibit. I guess the same people here get their panties in a twist when they go through the Egyptian section of a museum.
    All the ancient gods, including the Christian one of the old testament were pretty much crazy psychopaths.

    If you still worship a crazy god like the moslems do, then you are probably all for blowing up any statue that doesn't glorify your own favorite diety. Remember the mooslims blowing up the ancient Buddhist statues in the middle east.
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    I know all these it’s are true and the pope isn’t responsible. But I stand by what I said above for all the anti-Christian crap he’s engaged in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    I know all these it’s are true and the pope isn’t responsible. But I stand by what I said above for all the anti-Christian crap he’s engaged in.
    I would say that "he doesn't practice what he preaches", but it seems he actually preaches a lot of the socialist BS he practices. He does frequently go against the established rules and customs of Catholicism. But then so to do most mainline Protestant churches now days.

    Remember that according to Catholic law the Pope can be ta complete A-hole and say all kinds of things, but there is only one way what he says is legally supposed to be believed and followed by Catholics. That is a very special circumstance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryK View Post
    The Catholic Church doesn't own the Colosseum.
    I can't find anything on who actually owns the Colosseum. Since it is in Rome, I will now assume that Rome does. I assumed that the article writer had done his/her duty in researching. My bad. However the property that The Vatican DOES own is very surprising. If, in fact, this exhibition took place in the Colosseum, most likely it was none of the Vatican's business. But from the pictures I have seen of the Colosseum, it really doesn't look like there are many sheltered places to set up an exhibition.

    What most people seem to get confused is that Rome is a city. Vatican City (where the Vatican and where the pope traditionally resides) is a city/state unto it's self...the Holy See...inside of Rome. From what I have read, there are many museums inside the Holy See. So potentially there might be the place for this exhibition buy that is not what was stated in the OP.
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    The top article mentioned it was based on a story which appeared here where a little more information is given.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/st...e-amazon-synod

    "Statue of ancient god of child sacrifice put on display in Rome" Wed Nov 6, 2019 - 12:18 pm EST


    A few of these paragraphs read as follows:

    "We were so excited the day we decided to go to the Colosseum,” Alexandra Clark told LifeSiteNews via email. She and her sister Tiffany were looking forward to visiting the site of Christian martyrdom.

    “But the moment we got there the sight that greeted us was horrifying! Standing guard over the entrance was the colossal pagan statue of Moloch. It was placed in that prime spot so that everyone that entered into the Colosseum had to pass it,” she continued.

    “It was like they put Moloch there to mock the sacred place where the holy martyrs spilled their blood for the True Faith!”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I can't find anything on who actually owns the Colosseum. Since it is in Rome, I will now assume that Rome does. I assumed that the article writer had done his/her duty in researching. My bad. However the property that The Vatican DOES own is very surprising. If, in fact, this exhibition took place in the Colosseum, most likely it was none of the Vatican's business. But from the pictures I have seen of the Colosseum, it really doesn't look like there are many sheltered places to set up an exhibition.

    What most people seem to get confused is that Rome is a city. Vatican City (where the Vatican and where the pope traditionally resides) is a city/state unto it's self...the Holy See...inside of Rome. From what I have read, there are many museums inside the Holy See. So potentially there might be the place for this exhibition buy that is not what was stated in the OP.
    Yep, no doubt the Catholic church own a lot of things. Most say they own too much and control too much wealth. That happens when you've been around 2000 years and for a large part of that time they controlled the power and were the king makers in Europe. They literally controlled who lived and who died, and a lot died. Hell you could get your sins forgiven for a small fee. I think that and a few other things is what pissed of ole Martin Luther.

    The government of Rome controls and maintains the Colosseum and the cities and some national money goes to take care of it.
    I've been there and iIt isn't a pretty as the pictures make it look. There is always construction work going on, and yes a few times a year the Catholic church has a ceremony and a procession that commemorates those who died there. Most Christians actually died at the Circus Maximus if I recall the tour guide correctly.

    Anyway, I don't think anyone is worshiping the statue or the god it is supposed to represent. It's meant as a historical display of a long dead culture.
    I've been to Athens Greece also and I marveled at the Parthenon and the Acropolis and many of the ancient statues of Greek gods in museums there, but nobody was worshiping any of them. There is just something about seeing and even sometimes touching something thousands of years old that was made by human hands. Had the same feeling when I visited Jerusalem and touched the wall, and visited the church of the Holy Sepulchre where Jesus' tomb was supposed to be.

    Bottom line, I don't support destroying anything such as a statue or a symbol of a culture just because I don't like it.
    If I felt that way, I would be like the snowflakes wanting to tear down every symbol of the civil war or statues or Columbus or any of our country's founders. If it's part of history, it is good to remember it. "Those who forget the past", well you know how that goes.
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    “As bishop of this diocese (Rome), I ask forgiveness from those who have been offended by this gesture” Pope Francis wrote in a statement.

    How much was taken out of the collection plates to fund this blasphemous abomination???
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    Quote Originally Posted by TammyinWI View Post
    “As bishop of this diocese (Rome), I ask forgiveness from those who have been offended by this gesture” Pope Francis wrote in a statement.

    How much was taken out of the collection plates to fund this blasphemous abomination???
    [QUOTEParco archeologico del Colosseo (Parco), the organization that is managing the exhibition][/QUOTE]

    PARCO does not get money from the collection plates any more than you do.
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    Molech...

    The god of Abortion!

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    I just wonder if the thing/statue/image of the beast (?) is going to start talking.

    Cardinal: There is some evidence to support that at least one item of Jewish treasuries are/is in the Vatican, and has been applied for, and appealed to the Vatican for it's release. The Temple Menorah, as depicted on the Triumphal Arch of Titus.

    The Arch of Titus (Italian: Arco di Tito; Latin: Arcus Titi) is a 1st-century AD honorific arch,[1] located on the Via Sacra, Rome, just to the south-east of the Roman Forum. It was constructed in c. 81 CE by the Emperor Domitian shortly after the death of his older brother Titus to commemorate Titus's official deification or consecratio and the victory of Titus together with their father, Vespasian, over the Jewish rebellion in Judaea.[2] The arch contains panels depicting the triumphal procession celebrated in 71 CE after the Roman victory culminating in the fall of Jerusalem,[2] and provides one of the few contemporary depictions of artifacts of Herod's Temple.[citation needed] It became a symbol of the Jewish diaspora, and the menorah depicted on the arch served as the model for the menorah used as the emblem of the state of Israel.[3]
    Not to get it off topic, just as proof, that the Vatican may actually have it.

    Back on topic:

    If the thing does start talking wonder who it will say needs to die, and live?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaryC View Post
    I just wonder if the thing/statue/image of the beast (?) is going to start talking.
    If so, it (or the god animating it) will be proved to have supernatural powers. Seems unlikely.

    If it speaks, it will probably say Epstein didn't kill himself. Make a heckuva sound bite, huh?
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    If so, it (or the god animating it) will be proved to have supernatural powers. Seems unlikely.

    If it speaks, it will probably say Epstein didn't kill himself. Make a heckuva sound bite, huh?
    Yeah it was kind of jokey thingy, but one day......

    LOL, and probably say I have spoken to him, and he told me so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    [QUOTEParco archeologico del Colosseo (Parco), the organization that is managing the exhibition]
    PARCO does not get money from the collection plates any more than you do.[/QUOTE]

    Do you think that they donated it for free and moved it there for free?
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    I straight up don't like the looks of the thing, but I do wonder if it's actually an idol. Doesn't the thing have to be actively used in such a fashion, like people praying to it or sacrificing children on it before it starts being an idol?

    Because if all it takes to be an idol is that it has to exist, then isn't every statue ever made an idol? And what about art prints? Is a drawing of a statue an idol too?

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    If a statue is made to commemorate someone, it’s not an idol. If it’s made to use in worship, it is.

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    It is creepy, I'm not sure that is a historically accurate reproduction (it could be, I just don't recognize it) but this is NOT at the Vatican it is for a secular display of artifacts and information about Rome's arch-enemy Carthage.

    And Carthage did worship Molech, to pretend they didn't is like saying Roman State religion didn't have gladiatorial games to the Death in honor of the Roman gods and the Roman State.

    The Romans just preferred to Expose their unwanted children in sewers rather than making a religious ritual of it but pre-conversion their State religion required a certain amount of adult bloodshed usually in the arena.

    The Carthaginians and a lot of their relatives burned their babies alive (a horrific practice in my view) but both cultures killed unwanted babies AFTER birth, but only one of them made a religious ritual out of it (at least officially and often).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    If a statue is made to commemorate someone, it’s not an idol. If it’s made to use in worship, it is.
    I ask the same question every year about Christmas trees. No one's praying to them that I know of. Most people who put them up just think they look nice.

    But every year you get someone screaming about Tammuz. Nine out of ten people probably couldn't SPELL "Tammuz" in two tries let alone pray to it.

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    Besides Yule Trees are Pagan! We had them first lol...slinks back away to her cup of tea now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melodi View Post
    Besides Yule Trees are Pagan! We had them first lol...slinks back away to her cup of tea now...
    Apparently, not the case. Tammuz trees would have predated Yule trees by a good margin. Though how the pagans found out about Tammuz trees is anyone's guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    Apparently, not the case. Tammuz trees would have predated Yule trees by a good margin. Though how the pagans found out about Tammuz trees is anyone's guess.
    Well, the Germanic people in Scandinavia show depictions of decorated trees from the Bronze Age, I tried to get that one to transfer over but it one of those giant "addresses" and I didn't have time to go through every source to find the original.

    But the rock carvings are mostly between 5 and 7 thousand years old, and this one is a decorated tree on a boat, with Winter Symbols near it.

    They had similar customs in parts of the Middle East pretty early (I remember that from researching a novel on Gilgamesh) like a lot of "thou shat nots" in the old testament (especially the really strange sounding stuff) they are based on things that "everyone else does" so the Chosen People are not supposed to.

    It is a matter of personal faith if one decides to refuse to do them or not (like wearing mixed linen-wool fabrics or eating shellfish) but when you study the people around the early Jewish People, the "the shalt nots" start to make a lot more sense in terms of being "separate," from the "usual" customs of the time.

    OK enough thread drift, usually we don't have this thread until December lol
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    1 Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

    2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

    3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

    4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

    Jeremiah 10:1-4

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