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    Quote Originally Posted by Melodi View Post
    Well, the Germanic people in Scandinavia show depictions of decorated trees from the Bronze Age, I tried to get that one to transfer over but it one of those giant "addresses" and I didn't have time to go through every source to find the original.

    But the rock carvings are mostly between 5 and 7 thousand years old, and this one is a decorated tree on a boat, with Winter Symbols near it.

    They had similar customs in parts of the Middle East pretty early (I remember that from researching a novel on Gilgamesh) like a lot of "thou shat nots" in the old testament (especially the really strange sounding stuff) they are based on things that "everyone else does" so the Chosen People are not supposed to.

    It is a matter of personal faith if one decides to refuse to do them or not (like wearing mixed linen-wool fabrics or eating shellfish) but when you study the people around the early Jewish People, the "the shalt nots" start to make a lot more sense in terms of being "separate," from the "usual" customs of the time.

    OK enough thread drift, usually we don't have this thread until December lol
    Well, you know how it is. Christmas always gets started early. At least we didn't start this up in September!

    And I get it; some of those thou-shalt-nots do seem really bizarre. Like the tassels. Or the odd instructions on how to cook goat. It's not like the mother goat knows or cares if its milk is being used to cook its children. I mean, yeah, it's kind of an insult-to-injury thing but it's not like they're sufficiently sapient to know they're being insulted.

    But then, the idea of separation is an important one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GammaRat View Post
    1 Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

    2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

    3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

    4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

    Jeremiah 10:1-4
    Don't know many people who put precious metals on trees today, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    Don't know many people who put precious metals on trees today, though.
    You might be surprised....ducks for another swig of tea lol

    Seriously, things like the Kid in Mother's Milk was a very important part of Greek/Hellenic religion and probably goes further back than the classical Greek period.

    Otherwise, as you say, why would dead goat care what it gets cooked with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pauldingbabe View Post
    The thing is there actually are Egyptian relics displayed all over Rome and even *gasp* in St. Pete's square!!!

    My God in heaven haven't any of you seen the movie Angels and demons???

    /s just in case, one never knows these days.
    Dang it there you go talking logic... now I can't be triggered. Sigh.
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    After checking my reading comprehension a few more facts come to light. First, we are talking about two separate "Pagan Statues," one of them being the "God" Molech, which is the secular one, and the second being the two pagan Aztec statues which were indeed placed on Vatican property, and were grabbed by devout Roman Catholics and thrown into the Tiber River apparently.

    The physical representation of the God Moleck is part of a secular exhibition at the entrance to the Roman ruins we call the Colosseum. However it did get sanctioned by the Pope and the Vatican to do so.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/st...e-amazon-synod.

    ROME, November 6, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – A reconstruction of a pagan idol who demanded child sacrifice was stationed at the entrance of Rome’s Colosseum as part of a secular historical exhibition.
    The presence of the idol raised particular concern among Catholics, as it was erected nine days before the Amazon Synod and the subsequent scandal over the veneration of the Pachamama idol at the Vatican.

    In order to put all of the above into context you must check out the link below. Now, our Pagan Roman Catholic Pope may or may not believe in either of the two pagan idols mentioned above, but he certainly does deny the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ which is heresy.

    https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael...mblance-spirit

    In his new book and in the periodical he founded, La Repubblica, Eugenio Scalfari, a long-time friend of Pope Francis and frequent papal interviewer, claims that the Pope told him that Jesus Christ did not rise bodily from the dead but “in the semblance of a spirit.”
    This notion is a contradiction of Church teaching and the Gospels.

    Pope Francis can't be considered a Roman Catholic when he denies the bodily resurrection of Jesus, so yeah we now have a PAGAN as the current Roman Catholic pope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melodi View Post
    Seriously, things like the Kid in Mother's Milk was a very important part of Greek/Hellenic religion and probably goes further back than the classical Greek period.
    I try to eat kosher, but I still love a good cheese burger... (bacon cheese burgers are better )

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    Quote Originally Posted by GammaRat View Post
    I try to eat kosher, but I still love a good cheese burger... (bacon cheese burgers are better )
    I freely admit to eating both shrimp and crab legs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TammyinWI View Post
    PARCO does not get money from the collection plates any more than you do.
    Do you think that they donated it for free and moved it there for free?[/QUOTE]

    No Tammy, they are an independent foundation and they don't "own" it, they are sponsoring it.
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    Yep, the statues of Pancha Mamma (Aztec/Mexican folklore/idols-sometimes associated with Mary) were a totally different situation than the statue for the display about Carthage.

    The first one was used at a mass or something the Pope attended (I gather he may not have known they would be there beforehand, but then he may have - not my circus not my monkies).

    But anyone who goes to Italy is going to see "Pagan" statues EVERYWHERE, some of them are originals and a lot are copies.

    It is just that Westerners are so used to seeing them they don't register beyond maybe an "oh that's Zeus" or "isn't that Cupid cute!"

    The Molech statue is more modern looking and is very disturbing so it gets noticed, but Pagan art is all over the place in Italy and Greece; they were after all the heart of the Classical World.
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    My main point is the Moleck idol/statute has no place in Rome because it is a Phonecian, Carthage "god," and Rome hated and loathed Carthage. There is no way in historical Rome a Phoneican/Carthage God would be allowed to be set up in Rome. Rome, depending on who you believe poured salt on the ground Carthage was built on when the 3rd Punic War was finished.

    Next, well this Francis isn't a Roman Catholic in my view. It is a big deal to have the Pope at a mass where Pagan idols are set up, as the more devout Roman Catholics realized when they tossed the Aztec statutes into the Tiber River.

    Besides, the Moleck god statue is a vile thing, evil looking and you can see live babies being burnt to death on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer Doug View Post
    My main point is the Moleck idol/statute has no place in Rome because it is a Phonecian, Carthage "god," and Rome hated and loathed Carthage. There is no way in historical Rome a Phoneican/Carthage God would be allowed to be set up in Rome.
    Carthage was the foe of Rome; Moloch was a god of Carthage. A historical display of Carthage rightly would include Moloch, whether that display was in Rome or Utica NY. Nothing to do with whether Rome would have a Moloch statue during its Empire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    I ask the same question every year about Christmas trees. No one's praying to them that I know of. Most people who put them up just think they look nice.

    But every year you get someone screaming about Tammuz. Nine out of ten people probably couldn't SPELL "Tammuz" in two tries let alone pray to it.
    A Christmas tree is not a graven image. It’s merely a pagan symbol. Perhaps you don’t understand the difference.

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    A Rome where Cato the Elder began every speech in the Roman Senate, "Does Carthage still exist?" And Rome wouldn't have anything to do with the God of Hannibal either.

    Nope, there is evil afoot here, and not some cultural exhibit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melodi View Post
    Yep, the statues of Pancha Mamma (Aztec/Mexican folklore/idols-sometimes associated with Mary) were a totally different situation than the statue for the display about Carthage.

    The first one was used at a mass or something the Pope attended (I gather he may not have known they would be there beforehand, but then he may have - not my circus not my monkies).

    But anyone who goes to Italy is going to see "Pagan" statues EVERYWHERE, some of them are originals and a lot are copies.

    It is just that Westerners are so used to seeing them they don't register beyond maybe an "oh that's Zeus" or "isn't that Cupid cute!"

    The Molech statue is more modern looking and is very disturbing so it gets noticed, but Pagan art is all over the place in Italy and Greece; they were after all the heart of the Classical World.
    Christians stole their holidays and much of their iconic symbols from Pagans, and now they pretend to be offended by the ones they didn't steal.
    Only a partial list (days of the week, fish symbol you often see on bumper stickers, the cross, church steeples, candles, incense, even the word amen)
    The list is extensive and books have been written on the subject.

    Much of it happened due to Constantine in an attempt to make Christianity more palatable to non Christians.
    If your ancestors were truly European then Christianity is not your ancient heritage.
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    The Mormons don’t have a cross on their churches because it’s a pagan symbol.

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    They have an angel. Probably not a pagan angel. Who am I to judge.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=angel+moroni&ie=&oe=

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    The Mormons don’t have a cross on their churches because it’s a pagan symbol.
    My great aunt Letty always told me it was so that they're prayers could go directly up to the Heavenly Father.

    I always liked that story.

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    The Pope's first version of the 'image of the beast'?

    Needs to work on the 'speaking' part.
    "Apres la Guerre."

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    Is the Pope even Catholic?

    I'm not so sure.

    Time for a Holy Crusade. Perhaps the next King of England will declare it?

    It's time to clean out the demonic scum -- from drag story hour, trans kids, pride parades, feminists, hollywood, porn industry, NGOs, planned parenthood.

    Senomyx, a company that makes sweetener from human tissue, purchased from planned parenthood. They add it to processed foods to make them taste sweeter.

    Satanic. Technically, the cells used to produce the chemical are called HEK293 -- human embryonic kidney cells.

    Below is a list of products that contain HEK cells.
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    The synagogue of satan is fully in control. It wants us White Christians replaced in all White countries.

    It hates our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ with an intensity we cannot imagine. It hates us, his followers.

    There is no judeo-christ. There is only Jesus Christ. The jews rejected him and his teachings willfully. That means in my opinion they are not worth of Heaven. They're chosen alright, just not by the God we believe in. Something closer to Moloch, as noted in the Old Testament -- something about sacrificing babies.

    DEMONIC. EVIL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foothiller View Post
    There is no judeo-christ. There is only Jesus Christ. The jews rejected him and his teachings willfully. That means in my opinion they are not worth of Heaven. They're chosen alright, just not by the God we believe in.
    Ummm...

    no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foothiller View Post
    Is the Pope even Catholic?
    Do bears ... oh never mind.
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    Some years ago an archaeologist who had an excellent knowledge of ancient Hebrew as well as Phoenician was excavating a burial site at Carthage. He cleaned off the surface of a jar containing ashes of a sacrificed baby and found an inscription on the jar that he read as "given to sacrifice". Then he realized the reason why there were many ancient inscriptions to various gods but none to Molech. Ancient Hebrew and Phoenician did not use vowels. The word for sacrifice was mlk in both languages.

    So the statue is not only a piece of modern art it is also one of a god that didn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foothiller View Post
    There is no judeo-christ. There is only Jesus Christ.
    Wasn't your "jesus christ" supposed to be Jewish? Wasn't he supposed to be the king of the Jews?
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    Are you why I am here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Foothiller View Post
    Is the Pope even Catholic?

    I'm not so sure.

    Time for a Holy Crusade. Perhaps the next King of England will declare it?

    It's time to clean out the demonic scum -- from drag story hour, trans kids, pride parades, feminists, hollywood, porn industry, NGOs, planned parenthood.

    Senomyx, a company that makes sweetener from human tissue, purchased from planned parenthood. They add it to processed foods to make them taste sweeter.

    Satanic. Technically, the cells used to produce the chemical are called HEK293 -- human embryonic kidney cells.



    The synagogue of satan is fully in control. It wants us White Christians replaced in all White countries.

    It hates our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ with an intensity we cannot imagine. It hates us, his followers.

    There is no judeo-christ. There is only Jesus Christ. The jews rejected him and his teachings willfully. That means in my opinion they are not worth of Heaven. They're chosen alright, just not by the God we believe in. Something closer to Moloch, as noted in the Old Testament -- something about sacrificing babies.

    DEMONIC. EVIL.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IsSpAOD6K8

    Part 2 of God's money and the Doctrine of Demons

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    The history of Carthage has been written by Rome, hardly an unbiased source about its opponents. The Romans did a very thorough job of destroying Carthaginian society, both physically (essentially "leave no buildings standing") and orally (with myths that have persisted right up to today), so we don't really know all that much for sure about what Carthage actually was. Carthage lasted about 700 years before Rome destroyed it, and you have to think there must have been reasons it wasn't destroyed before that if its essential nature was the pure evil that some on this thread have already flatly stated. After all, it might be worthwhile to remember that Rome relied primarily on military conquests while Carthage apparently relied primarily on economic conquests. Another thing that suggests a clue about the true nature of Carthage is that virtually no large public gathering places have been found in the ruins of Carthaginian cities and towns -- there apparently were no huge public squares or coliseums or theaters or public baths, so what does that say about the society that didn't feel the need to build such things?

    Anyway, here are two episodes of a history show with a guy who obviously has little love for the Romans. The two shows give at least the benefit of a doubt that Rome's account of its bitter rival has been entirely accurate.

    Carthage: The Roman Holocaust - Part 1 of 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6kI9sCEDvY


    Carthage: The Roman Holocaust - Part 2 of 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DnXV6R0nh0

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