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    Brother, Sister Found Hanging In Basement

    ALBANY TOWNSHIP, Pa. (AP) — State police have released details on the death of an 8-year-old boy and his 4-year-old sister in Pennsylvania. Police said in a search warrant application that the mother of Conner and Brinley Snyder reported finding her children Sept. 23 in the basement of their Berks County home.

    Police say the siblings were found hanging in the basement.

    Medical personnel revived the children, but they died three days later. An autopsy last week was inconclusive. The coroner has said forensic testing is needed before he can rule on the cause and manner of death.

    Police are continuing to investigate. No arrests have been made.


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    So she reported finding them, and then the cops got a warrant. Sounds like they are suspicious, and I've got BS antenna twitches going off left and right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bw View Post
    So she reported finding them, and then the cops got a warrant. Sounds like they are suspicious, and I've got BS antenna twitches going off left and right.
    I would certainly be suspicious. It seems very unlikely (although not impossible) that those two children just decided to hang themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freeholder View Post
    I would certainly be suspicious. It seems very unlikely (although not impossible) that those two children just decided to hang themselves.

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    Unlikely but possible. They boy could have watched a Western and they were playing Cowboys and Indians or maybe the Mother/Father has an Asphyxiation Fetish and one of the kids saw a video-I think what's his name from the Kung Fu series went out like that.
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    Regardless, I can't see any redeeming social value coming out of this. Total tragic.
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    May God take these two children to be with him, bring peace to the family and find try and execute the responsible....

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    An 8 year old and a 4 year old hang themselves? In the basement?

    Not very likely.
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    Unfortunately, if the Medics went in LIKE Medics they won't be able to reconstruct the scene.

    the chairs won't be where they were and reconstruction will be a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by night driver View Post
    Unfortunately, if the Medics went in LIKE Medics they won't be able to reconstruct the scene.
    Unless they had body cams. How prevalent are those for medics?
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    2 Young Children Found Hanging From Basement Ceiling At Opposite Ends Of Dog Leash, Two Chairs Tipped Over Nearby
    Both children were found hanging from the home's basement rafter beams at opposite ends of one dog leash, according to the authorities. Near where they were found, were two tipped over chairs from the home’s dining room.

    The children's 36-year-old mother and her 17-year-old son also live in the home.

    Investigators are looking to analyze an X-Box console as part of the investigation.

    “The 8-year-old victim is known to play video games and view various internet websites utilizing the X-Box gaming console,” a warrant obtained by the Morning Call in Allentown states.

    The X-Box is not the only device from the home being looked at. At least one cellphone, two iPads and a laptop have also been confiscated as part of the investigation.

    Both children were receiving general protective services from welfare officials, although it’s not clear why, WPVI in Philadelphia reports.
    https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/co...ash-in-pa-home



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    A possible scenario I heard was …

    It's Halloween. Let's scare the crap out of mom like that movie I watched.

    Unlikely? Yes. Possible? Yeah. It sounds like the 8 year old was fixated on things he should have had more oversight of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bw View Post
    Unless they had body cams. How prevalent are those for medics?
    There not in most jurisdictions. Hippa Violation. We go by memory as we go in and like ND said the first priority is our safety then the patient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by medic38572 View Post
    There not in most jurisdictions. Hippa Violation. We go by memory as we go in and like ND said the first priority is our safety then the patient.
    A LOT of guys (yes and some gals) get #1 and #2 screwed up if kids are involved, too.

    we tend to tunnel vision up to a VERY small view.

    I've known guys to walk right past a spitting-sparking power line to get to the kids, and NOT REMEMBER the power line.

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    The xbox has a listening device in it. It can record the heartbeat of a player.....could it of been on, and recording, like Alexa.....? Would they tip the hat to that tech.......to solve a crime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ractivist View Post
    The xbox has a listening device in it. It can record the heartbeat of a player.....could it of been on, and recording, like Alexa.....? Would they tip the hat to that tech.......to solve a crime?
    This right here is the question of the year!

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    Far as I know, Alexa and parents don't have an NDA on THAT tech like the STINGRAY tech.
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    Then again everyone is assuming the kids did it to themselves. Protective CPS thing, single mom and a 17 year old. Opens the door for other possibilities.
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    What a sad, terrible event !!!! May God embrace those kids!!!
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    All sorts of suspects and scenarios. Unfortunately, not a particularly rare crime, and is probably someone within the first ring or two of the family\friends\acquaintances.

    Hope the nail him her or them soon. Of all the things the world could use less of, SOB child offenders is top of the list.
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    Looks like they had an open case on the kids, and they're looking for dog previously owned in order to weigh it..... So what? Establishing if one of the parties was able to lift one of the decedents i guess...so perhaps some possibility the injuries were from misadventure and self inflicted?

    What kind of world does that thought bring hope?! Think i must go walk in the rain for a bit.

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    . Update on deaths of Pa. siblings: Kids were found hanging in basement; police want to see electronics and dog
    Updated Oct 08, 8:02 AM; Posted Oct 08, 7:43 AM


    New information about the deaths of two Berks County children last month reveals they had been found hanged in their basement.

    Investigators are now looking for clues in a video game console and other electronics, and they are hoping to find a dog that used to belong to their mother, the Allentown Morning Call is reporting.


    Brother and sister Connor Snyder, 8, and Brinley Snyder, 4, died Sept. 26 at Lehigh Valley Hospital-Cedar Crest, three days after paramedics were called to their family’s home in Albany Township.

    Police at the time said they had been found with unspecified injuries. A spokesperson from the state Department of Human Services confirmed to Cathleen Palm, founder of the Center for Children’s Justice, that assessment and ongoing case management services were provided to the children through Berks County Children and Youth Services.

    Search warrants in the case revealed an adult woman who lived in the home found the siblings hanging from a support beam in the basement, near two overturned chairs, with plastic-coated wire cables around their necks, the Morning Call reports.

    The Reading Eagle said they were hanging from a dog leash.

    Those search warrants also show police want to investigate Connor Snyder’s X-Box gaming system, which he used to view unspecified websites, as well as a cellphone, two iPads and a laptop computer, reports indicate.

    For unspecified reasons, police want to weigh a husky-pit bull mix the mother used to own, but had given away, according to reports.


    Investigators were tight-lipped about what they were looking for, saying it remains an ongoing investigation.

    “Whenever we are dealing with the unnatural death of a child, it is very emotionally troubling to all of us,” Berks County District Attorney John Adams told the Morning Call. “I believe to have two children perish in the same incident really compounds our concerns and we are looking forward to having some answers. But we need to take our time to determine exactly what happened.”

    More: Police name suspects in fatal shooting near Shippensburg University
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satanta View Post
    Then again everyone is assuming the kids did it to themselves.
    Why the heck would you think that? Why would anyone assume that?
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    Any scenario I try to make sense of this is too tragic to contemplate.

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    All I can say is that there are a lot of sick bastards out there running around loose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bw View Post
    Why the heck would you think that? Why would anyone assume that?
    I'm certainly not assuming that. Considering the world we live in, I do think it's possible that they did it to themselves, but I think it's much more likely that it was the older brother, or their mother, or possibly the mother's boyfriend if she has one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satanta View Post
    Then again everyone is assuming the kids did it to themselves. Protective CPS thing, single mom and a 17 year old. Opens the door for other possibilities.
    Absolutely not assuming that...

    Like I said... Mom and the brother should be investigated and I sure would like to know the nature of CPS's case file.
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    Just a disturbing reminder of BTK killings...though no reason to "go there". At least, not on publically available info. My own opinion, worth less than whatcha paid for it etc etc etc.
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    Search warrants in the case revealed an adult woman who lived in the home found the siblings hanging from a support beam in the basement, near two overturned chairs, with plastic-coated wire cables around their necks, the Morning Call reports.
    The Reading Eagle said they were hanging from a dog leash.
    How does an eight year old, four foot and a few inches tall kid get a dog leash or plastic-coated wire cables over a support beam in the basement? Even standing on a chair and tossing one end over the beam.....

    This does not seem to be something a couple of kids did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooth View Post
    How does an eight year old, four foot and a few inches tall kid get a dog leash or plastic-coated wire cables over a support beam in the basement? Even standing on a chair and tossing one end over the beam.....

    This does not seem to be something a couple of kids did.

    Sooth
    Besides that, if they both stepped off a chair at the same time on opposite ends of a dog leash, only the girl would have died. The boy looks at least twice as heavy and would have ended up standing on the floor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squib View Post
    This right here is the question of the year!
    A lot of the child predation, snuff films etc are said to be on, or accessed via the xboxes...

    https://www.smh.com.au/technology/ch...415-1x1kr.html

    The Sydney Morning Herald

    TECHNOLOGY
    Child porn found in game consoles
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    . POLICE are increasingly seizing gaming consoles from child pornography suspects, as the devices evolve from simple entertainment systems into all-purpose data hubs connected to the internet.

    The Australian Federal Police told The Age that it had seized consoles containing child pornography in ''several cases'', but refused to reveal details for fear of tipping off other offenders.

    ''Gaming consoles are one of a myriad of devices with storage capability and the capacity to connect to the internet,'' AFP acting manager of cyber crime operations Brad Marden said.

    ''As part of its core business, the AFP … regularly identifies persons using the internet and other emerging technologies to access, download or distribute child exploitation material online.''
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    Quote Originally Posted by jward View Post
    Just a disturbing reminder of BTK killings...though no reason to "go there". At least, not on publically available info. My own opinion, worth less than whatcha paid for it etc etc etc.
    BTK?

    Lately, you’ve been using abbreviations/terms that I can’t interpret. I assume that goes for others here.

    Please don’t follow in Chuck’s footsteps.

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    BTK was what a psychopathic serial killer called himself in taunting letters to the cops a few years back. It supposedly stood for "Bind Torture, Kill"...

    I don't believe for a second these poor kids did this themselves.


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    I don’t either.

    Thanks for the clarification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bev View Post
    BTK?

    Lately, you’ve been using abbreviations/terms that I can’t interpret. I assume that goes for others here.

    Please don’t follow in Chuck’s footsteps.
    Yes, BTK killer is Dennis Rader(?), a male who bound, tortured and killed ten known victims in the Wicheta, KS area.
    One of his first victims was a young family. The 9 year old girl was hung from a sewer pipe, i believe, in the basement
    while still not dead from other actions he took.

    The age, location of the bodys placement, were similar enough to spark a connection in my thoughts.

    Not sure what other instances and acronyms were confusing. SOB is used to be shorthand for Son of a b....bad bad person.
    Chuck's "NDA" means non disclosure agreement, if i am not mistaken. I will let him answer for himself, though.

    I would do a search for other posts ive made that might be confusing due to acronyms, but, of course we have no search feature at the moment. Lol! Just let me know if and when you run across these situations. I'm happy to clarify.

    I often find letting my cursor rest over a word or highlighted phrase will give me definitions, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by don24mac View Post
    Besides that, if they both stepped off a chair at the same time on opposite ends of a dog leash, only the girl would have died. The boy looks at least twice as heavy and would have ended up standing on the floor.
    Great point!
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    Oh those poor children, my heart breaks for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milk-maid View Post
    Oh those poor children, my heart breaks for them.
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    "NDA" = "Non Disclosure agreement"
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    Ragnorak, thank you for sharing that image. It looks very much like the ones in my first children's Bible.
    Happy memories were evoked.
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    Well. Warrants mention criminal homicide, so : (

    https://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/...2pi-story.html

    . Police serve new search warrant, turn up more phones at Berks home where children were found hanged
    By PAMELA LEHMAN, MANUEL GAMIZ JR. and LAURIE MASON SCHROEDER
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    OCT 10, 2019 | 5:28 PM


    A search warrant made public Thursday shows police seized two cellphones from the Albany Township home of Lisa Snyder, whose two children were found hanged in the basement on Sept. 23. (Manuel Gamiz Jr.)

    After searching the Albany Township home where a young boy and girl were found hanged in their basement, state police recently returned to find two more cellphones, a search warrant made public Thursday shows.

    Police haven’t said if either of the phones was used by Lisa Snyder to make the 911 call on Sept. 23 when she found her children Conner Snyder, 8, and Brinley L. Snyder, 4, hanging from a plastic coated wire on a ceiling beam, two overturned chairs nearby. They died three days later at Lehigh Valley Hospital-Cedar Crest. Autopsy results are pending.


    “It is believed by this investigator that Lisa Snyder is still in possession” of a second cellphone, a search warrant issued Oct. 4 and released Thursday read.

    Troopers said the 911 call did not come from the first phone they seized from Snyder’s home on the day the children were found.

    Siblings were found hanged; authorities looking at X-Box, other electronics »
    In an interview with Snyder’s only other child, a 17-year-old son, troopers were surprised to learn Snyder had multiple phones, the latest warrant notes. Asked if the finding meant that Snyder had failed to turn over the additional cellphones earlier, Berks County District Attorney John Adams said only: “Normally, people only have one cellphone and now we have three.”

    Snyder hasn’t commented on the deaths and could not be reached Thursday. Police have not identified Conner and Brinley’s father. Several of Snyder’s friends and relatives told The Morning Call he was not involved in the children’s lives.

    Police have served five warrants on the home at 2442 Route 143 near Kempton: Sept. 23, 24, 27, Oct. 2 and 4, releasing the first four to the public on Monday and the last one on Thursday. They all list either “criminal homicide” or “criminal attempt homicide" as the violation underlying the warrant. However, Adams said that’s procedural and does not mean the case is a homicide. Police haven’t determined that and the Lehigh County coroner’s office has not ruled on the cause or manner of death.

    The Sept. 23 warrant states that investigators seized a cellphone. In the first four warrants, they also seized the wire the children were found hanging from, the chairs, two iPads, a laptop computer and an X-box gaming console, which would be inspected for clues into the deaths.

    One warrant, on Oct. 2, was specifically for a dog — a black husky-pit bull mix weighing 50 pounds — that still has not been found. Investigators said weighing the dog would help in reconstructing what happened but they would not say why.

    Berks family was known to Children and Youth »
    The Snyder family was known to county officials, the state Department of Human Services confirmed. Berks County Children and Youth Services has not returned calls about their involvement with the family.


    “Assessment and ongoing case management services were previously provided to the family of Conner and Brinley Snyder through Berks County Children and Youth Services, ” Erin James, a DHS spokeswoman, said Wednesday. She declined to elaborate or provide dates.

    Conner was in third grade at Greenwich-Lenhartsville Elementary School, where he was loved by many, the superintendent said in a statement to The Morning Call this week.

    "The Kutztown Area School District community mourns the sudden death of Conner Snyder,” Superintendent Christian Temchatin said. "Conner was a beloved member of the Greenwich Elementary School family who enjoyed his peers and teachers.

    “He is dearly missed and is fondly remembered for the smile he brought to all who knew him,” the statement reads.

    Morning Call reporter Pamela Lehman can be reached at 610-820-6790 or plehman@mcall.com.
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