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ENER PG&E Power Outages: How to find out they are coming and deal when they do
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    PG&E Power Outages: How to find out they are coming and deal when they do

    So its going to be windy and there turning off the power.
    How is that a good idea?


    https://abc7news.com/pg-e-power-outa...ation/5601333/

    SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Planned PG&E power outages due to fire danger is the new normal for California. But how can you know they are coming, prepare for them, and get help dealing with them?


    The utility launched a website with an interactive map in August to warn customers about pre-emptive shutoffs as we hit the most active months of wildfire season.

    The website predicts the potential for the shutoffs and ranks them four categories: Not Expected, Elevated, Public Safety Power Shutoff Watch, and Public Safety Power Shutoff Warning.

    There are some other features too, for example, you can pull up cameras, wind speeds, and gusts.

    Sign up for public safety power shutoff alerts
    PG&E says if it is going to let people know if it will be turning off the power in their neighborhoods.

    The company plans to post alerts on it's website pge.com, on social media, and send out emails, texts, and automated calls.

    Go here to sign up for them.

    You don't have to be an account holder to sign up for them. At that website you can also sign up by your zip code.

    Make sure you are prepared for a shutoff

    PG&E issued the following tips to customers about how to prepare for a power shutoff:

    Update their contact information at pge.com/mywildfirealerts or by calling 1-866-743-6589 during normal business hours. PG&E will use this information to alert customers through automated calls, texts, and emails, when possible, prior to, and during, a Public Safety Power Shutoff.


    Plan for medical needs like medications that require refrigeration or devices that need power.

    Identify backup charging methods for phones and keep hard copies of emergency numbers.

    Build or restock your emergency kit with flashlights, fresh batteries, first aid supplies and cash.

    Keep in mind family members who are elderly, younger children and pets. Information and tips including a safety plan checklist are available at pge.com/wildfiresafety.

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    When they let in 135,000 illegal aliens in each and EVERY month - how could somebody be surprised that at some point real Americans would be forced to suffer - for the benefit of an invading army?

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    Sounds like a good location to sell generators.
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    Sounds like a good location to sell generators.
    Kalifonia will respond by banning generators ...... no one needs a fossil fuel powered electricity generating machine.
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    Having rolling blackouts for something so silly as fire hazards is a 3rd world problem. Fire hazards should have been taken care of by the utility as ongoing maintenance. If it wasn't then they really need to look at the utility and maybe break it up into something that can operate correctly.

    I never thought we could reach this point without an all out war.

    It is amazing what people will tolerate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20Gauge View Post
    Having rolling blackouts for something so silly as fire hazards is a 3rd world problem. Fire hazards should have been taken care of by the utility as ongoing maintenance. If it wasn't then they really need to look at the utility and maybe break it up into something that can operate correctly.

    I never thought we could reach this point without an all out war.

    It is amazing what people will tolerate.
    ^^^^^^^^
    The most succinct description of the situation.

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    Our power is supposed to be cutoff at 12 midnight tonight for public safety, a red flag warning. The thing is we are only forecast to have winds of 15 mph starting tomorrow night with possible gusts up to 30 mph. Calfire is still proceeding with controlled burns in the region.

    Go figure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20Gauge View Post
    Having rolling blackouts for something so silly as fire hazards is a 3rd world problem. Fire hazards should have been taken care of by the utility as ongoing maintenance. If it wasn't then they really need to look at the utility and maybe break it up into something that can operate correctly.

    I never thought we could reach this point without an all out war.

    It is amazing what people will tolerate.
    This is the kind of thing that does eventually generate political change. It just takes time and pain.....And unfortunately I get to have a ring side seat....

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    Sure glad we went off-grid 10 years ago. ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mistaken1 View Post
    Kalifonia will respond by banning generators ...... no one needs a fossil fuel powered electricity generating machine.


    I can see building contractors thats doing government work tell them they have to double or triple the estaminet fees and the time it will take to complete the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistaken1 View Post
    Kalifonia will respond by banning generators ...... no one needs a fossil fuel powered electricity generating machine.
    A lot of the generator buys and installs in the north of the state where this started were either propane or natural gas hookup. With several Bay Area cities banning natural gas hookups for new construction, that's effectively already happening.

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    Even with currently approved spark arrestors, I imagine home gennies are far more of a fire hazard than the utility.

    My cynical nature thinks they may try to get rich by selling any diverted generation on the open market for mucho dinero at peak times. OR, they're runnin' low on butterfly farts from wind turbines and don't want to pay the peak demand costs to supplement their grid. just guessing...
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    I am fortunate that my city will not be effected. We also have our power underground with big greenways over it.
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    Let's see...shit in the streets, basic power problems and the state with the highest population of people with missing teeth. Alabama or Mississippi? Nah man ... California.
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    For links see article source.....
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    https://www.sfgate.com/california-wi...e-14501332.php

    Map shows neighborhoods impacted by PG&E power shutoffs

    By Alix Martichoux, SFGATE Updated 5:26 pm PDT, Tuesday, October 8, 2019


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    More than 250,000 Pacific Gas & Electric customers in the Bay Area will lose power starting Wednesday as the utility company plans to preemptively shut down power to mitigate wildfire risks.

    On Tuesday afternoon, the utility announced will shut off power to 800,000 customers in Northern and Central California starting early Wednesday. PG&E said it would notify affected customers directly.

    An interactive map on PG&E's website shows wide swaths of the Bay Area that will be affected by a PSPS, or public safety power shutoff. See the gallery at the top of this story for a selection of areas at risk.

    Looking through the affected areas, you'll notice the hilly areas of the South Bay and East Bay are especially vulnerable.

    Just because an area of the map is highlighted doesn't mean the power will definitely be shut off there. The map is also subject to change.

    You can also zoom in and find your neighborhood on PG&E's interactive map on its website (though the website was intermittently down throughout the day). If the page loads, scroll down and find the second map.

    The weather this week is expected to be dry and windy, which makes the risk of a catastrophic wildfire high, PG&E officials said. The utility company wants to shut off power so its electric equipment doesn't start a wildfire as has happened in recent years.

    MORE: 'Inside slider' wind event forecast to bring extreme fire danger to San Francisco Bay Area

    The number of potential customers affected in each Bay Area county, according to PG&E, is:

    32,613 customers in Alameda County
    40,219 customers in Contra Costa County
    66,289 customers in Sonoma County
    32,124 customers in Napa County
    14,766 customers in San Mateo County
    38,123 customers in Santa Clara County
    32,862 customers in Solano County
    Marin County TBD

    Marin County customers were added to the possible outage warning mid-day Tuesday, but PG&E didn't immediately report a number of customers.

    As of Tuesday afternoon, San Francisco County is not expected to be affected.

    Bay City News contributed to this report.

    Alix Martichoux is an SFGate digital editor. Read her latest stories and send her news tips at alix.martichoux@sfgate.com.

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    I visited some relatives in Nevada county a while back. My impression was that there was a pretty healthy ratio of have nots for every house that can afford a generator. Should be an interesting experiment on how the local turds will behave. I would wager that they will grow bolder with time, 5 to 8 days should be pretty good beta test for my own area of NW New Mexico....similar demographics. Nevada county had a fair redneck gun culture to accompany the stoners and meth heads.

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    Fatal Synergy

    And so the systemic collapse truly begins, and so the riots and chaos truly begins. Now what does the "California elite" think is going to happen when the grid goes down, the lights go off, and the animals leave their cages?

    I notice on that so called map one thing. ALL OF THE ELECTRIC OUTAGES ARE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE RICH SECTIONS OF CALIFORNIA. FURTHER, DO THE POWERS THAT BE REALLY THINK THAT THE REST OF THE SYSTEM, IE THE PART THAT IS PLANNED TO STAY UP WILL NOT BE IMPACTED BY THE SHUTDOWN?

    What makes them think they can control shutting down part of the system, and not have the people from the dark areas pour into the areas still with electricity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer Doug View Post
    And so the systemic collapse truly begins, and so the riots and chaos truly begins. Now what does the "California elite" think is going to happen when the grid goes down, the lights go off, and the animals leave their cages?
    Well they all have already forgotten the LA King Riots and the 1989 World Series Earthquake, so I expect some "interesting monments"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer Doug View Post
    And so the systemic collapse truly begins, and so the riots and chaos truly begins. Now what does the "California elite" think is going to happen when the grid goes down, the lights go off, and the animals leave their cages?

    I notice on that so called map one thing. ALL OF THE ELECTRIC OUTAGES ARE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE RICH SECTIONS OF CALIFORNIA. FURTHER, DO THE POWERS THAT BE REALLY THINK THAT THE REST OF THE SYSTEM, IE THE PART THAT IS PLANNED TO STAY UP WILL NOT BE IMPACTED BY THE SHUTDOWN?

    What makes them think they can control shutting down part of the system, and not have the people from the dark areas pour into the areas still with electricity?
    This situation is preventable to the point of being absurd. I believe that this is a regional test to answer the questions you posed. The data will definitely assist planning for a terror/hacking/carrington event, etc.

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    This is about as dysfunctional as it gets in my opinion.

    PG&E ignored keeping their power lines clear of vegetation and managed to start dozens of fires last year. Add to that the inept forest management policies of California.

    PG&E got sued after killing 80+ people and destroying 1,000's of homes.

    Now they are essentially bankrupt due to all of the claims and their lack of insurance coverage.

    So rather than fix the problem, PG&E is just going to preemptively turn off the power?

    This is likely to result in a huge public backlash.

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    Power to nearly 1 million Californians could be shut off over fire hazard

    "The time to prepare is now," the National Weather Service says as utilities warn that power lines could spark new wildfires.

    Oct. 8, 2019, 6:39 PM CDT / Updated Oct. 8, 2019, 7:22 PM CDT

    LOS ANGELES — Electric utilities warned Tuesday that almost a million homes and businesses in California could have their electricity shut off for several days this week to prevent power lines from sparking wildfires.

    Fire weather watches stretched the entire length of the state Tuesday as the National Weather Service said strong and damaging winds coupled with relatively low humidity created the "potential of rapid spread of fire." Forecasters said it would be the most significant offshore wind event for the region since October 2017.

    "The time to prepare is now," the weather service said — a warning the state's power companies heeded.

    Pacific Gas and Electric said it would begin turning off power in stages to nearly 800,000 residences and businesses in high-risk areas of 34 counties across the northern and central parts of the state.

    The blackouts, which were projected to begin early Wednesday just after midnight, were likely to affect parts of San Jose, Oakland and Berkeley but not San Francisco or Sacramento, PG&E said.

    Meanwhile, Southern California Edison said it was considering shutting off electricity to more than 106,000 residential and business customers in parts of eight counties in the southern part of the state, including parts of Los Angeles, San Bernardino and Riverside counties.

    Utilities count a single electricity account — residential or business — as a single customer, so the number of people who would be affected is well above 1 million. Because power will be turned off in stages depending on local timing of severe winds, PG&E said it couldn't pinpoint who would be shut off or for how long.

    It said customers could have their power shut off even if they're not experiencing high winds, "because the electric system relies on power lines working together to provide electricity across cities, counties and regions."

    And it urged northern and central Californians to stock up for the long haul. While hazardous conditions were expected to extend only into Thursday afternoon, crews can't go out to inspect damaged power lines and restore electricity until after the severe weather has passed, it said.

    So "customers are being asked to prepare for an extended outage," PG&E said.

    Ray Riordan, the emergency management director for San Jose, said Tuesday that in addition to the two days of high winds, it could take five more days for all areas to have their power restored.

    "You can expect that we may not have power for seven days," he said.

    Customers who lose business, relocate to cooler locations or have to throw out spoiled food won't be compensated, said Brandi Merlo, a spokeswoman for PG&E.

    Because the shutdown is safety-related, "typically, in these cases, we do not reimburse customers for these losses," Merlo told NBC affiliate KRCA of Sacramento.
    Recommended

    To make matters worse, PG&E's website — where the utility was directing customers to go to find out whether they were in one of the potentially affected areas — was balking Tuesday afternoon, failing to load pages related to the shutdown or returning broken links.

    PG&E blamed high user volume and said it was working to restore access as quickly as possible.

    The utility has acknowledged that its equipment "probably" started the Camp Fire, which killed 85 people, destroyed thousands of structures last year and was the deadliest and most destructive fire in state history. It has previously declared so-called public safety power shutoffs when dry, windy conditions threatened to spark fires around power lines — this will be the fourth in the past month.

    But the scale of this week's measures dwarf what's happened in the past. The utility shut down power to about 50,000 customers in northern California late last month and to about 24,000 customers the week before that.

    PG&E will open Community Resource Centers in several locations starting Wed 10/9 @ 8 am. They will remain open during daylight hrs only. Restrooms, bottled water, electronic-device charging, a/c seating for up to 100 will be available. Full list: https://t.co/vijezmus4h #PSPS pic.twitter.com/akyzAMkLha

    "I don't think it's as disheartening as it is troubling," Nicki Jones, owner of Nic's Deli in Paradise, southeast of Redding, told NBC affiliate KNVN of Chico.

    "The businesses here who do not have a backup generator — and they do lose food that they have to throw away — how many times would they be willing to do that?" Jones asked.

    But Scott Anderson, who lives in Ben Lomond, in Santa Cruz County, said the shutoff was "a good thing."

    "It's a good thing because if there was a fire in the valley here, it's going to be tough to avoid it," Anderson told NBC affiliate KSBW of Salinas.

    "We have a backup generator on hand [and] have backup food, water in case something happens," he said.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-fire-n1064041
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    Kyle Mcclanihan? the guy in Dune and Twin Peaks, was in a movie called "Trigger Effect?" about a power outage in California and his efforts, a typical suburbs guy, with a new baby and a useless wife, to make it through the power outage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer Doug View Post
    Kyle Mcclanihan? the guy in Dune and Twin Peaks, was in a movie called "Trigger Effect?" about a power outage in California and his efforts, a typical suburbs guy, with a new baby and a useless wife, to make it through the power outage.
    Sounds like a fun flick, it's going into the DOOMAGEDDEN ™ book for future reference. Thanks! The title is correct, fyi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Housecarl View Post
    This is the kind of thing that does eventually generate political change. It just takes time and pain.....And unfortunately I get to have a ring side seat....
    I hope you've already got your solar arrays on the roof & ready to keep yer laptop up, coz I might need an awesome map or something ...n I refuse to think that you meant work impact, coz, insert more eek faces.
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    One thing to keep in mind is that 1 customer could be a house or an apartment complex.

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    Just spoke with family in the affected area. The word is be prepared to be without power for one to five days. Short notice for that information to that particular population. Doubtful the majority can make a half a day. This is the new world of instant gratification and you can have it all with a simple app on your cell phone. Very interesting scenario unfolding. Take careful notes and be very prepared in the affected areas.
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    I don't blame PG&E. This problem is from vary bad forest management. The proof is the fact that the power lines have been in place since the 50s, 60s, 70s and some even installed in the 80s. Now since 2000 this has been a problem, why wasn't the first 50 years? The pine beetles and droughts is not new, there was many droughts and many dry years before 2000.

    The only thing that has changed is that the logging industry has been destroyed and the related tree/land clear/trimmers who also use to work in the logging industry have been over regulated to the point its ridiculous and most moved away to states that still have a active logging industry.

    PG&E has always been in the business of making and delivering gas and power. Not tree trimmers, clearing the new growth, deadfall and other fuel loads from around their power lines.

    This is a man made problem by being to restrictive by mandate. It all should just burn now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubble Head View Post
    Just spoke with family in the affected area. The word is be prepared to be without power for one to five days. Short notice for that information to that particular population. Doubtful the majority can make a half a day. This is the new world of instant gratification and you can have it all with a simple app on your cell phone. Very interesting scenario unfolding. Take careful notes and be very prepared in the affected areas.
    I am worried about those freezers. Guessing not everyone knows how to can, or will be able to keep things frozen with the few alterñatives that exist. Hope the temps are bearable, too, I used to get rolling brown outs in 95° weather, and even being young and very healthy, it took a toll.
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    Again this power shutoff is just BS as the detailed National Weather Service forecasts for a location do not match the regional forecasts for weather speed and humidity.

    In the SF Bay Area many schools are going to be closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jward View Post
    Sounds like a fun flick, it's going into the DOOMAGEDDEN ™ book for future reference. Thanks! The title is correct, fyi.



    I hope you've already got your solar arrays on the roof & ready to keep yer laptop up, coz I might need an awesome map or something ...n I refuse to think that you meant work impact, coz, insert more eek faces.
    No, no photovoltaic system and yes I am including a "work" impact in all of this, and since I regularly have to deal with the public the potential number of eek faces I'd need to add to the entry might be taken as excessive if not for dramatic effect...

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    This is was happened because progressives run California. If the area around the transmission lines were cleared of burnable material then this would not be necessary. But there is no forest management in California anymore.
    But not likely to die free

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    On the north coast lots of long lines at the gas pumps, emptying store shelves. Very interesting to watch and to see proactive educational posts on social media. And gas near us is $4.99 a gallon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siskiyoumom View Post
    On the north coast lots of long lines at the gas pumps, emptying store shelves. Very interesting to watch and to see proactive educational posts on social media. And gas near us is $4.99 a gallon.
    I was a D. A. and forgot to gas up this morning.

    The line was dozens of cars long, backed up the hill that goes down to Costco.

    Lines forming everywhere else too.

    I wouldn't be surprised if some stations run out of gas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naegling62 View Post
    Let's see...shit in the streets, basic power problems and the state with the highest population of people with missing teeth. Alabama or Mississippi? Nah man ... California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jward View Post
    I am worried about those freezers. Guessing not everyone knows how to can, or will be able to keep things frozen with the few alterñatives that exist. Hope the temps are bearable, too, I used to get rolling brown outs in 95° weather, and even being young and very healthy, it took a toll.
    Many will just let their stuff go bad and let their insurance agent worry with the aftermath. I bet hotels in surrounding areas that keep electrical service will get "fat" because of this manufactured crisis.
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    The death count will climb. I call these deaths environmental mandated deaths. Including the London tower fire that killed almost 80, that clad tile that was used as siding was a super efficient tiles that helped slow down the energy loss from the apartments that complied with Londons mandated building energy managment standards.

    Just like the over 100 deaths from California fires that are mandated too by California to save the owls, frogs, fish and old growth. Old growth by the way is really dead or dieing trees, because believe it or not 98% of all of the pine tree forests in California die in as little as 30-50 years.

    The environmental mandated deaths exceeds at least a thousand now, soon millions. Hundreds of EMDeaths will be a daily thing that MSM will and already has called Climate Change deaths.

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    I think it is absolutely bizarre that a first world country would intentionally shut off the electric power to a million of its citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer Doug View Post
    Kyle Mcclanihan? the guy in Dune and Twin Peaks, was in a movie called "Trigger Effect?" about a power outage in California and his efforts, a typical suburbs guy, with a new baby and a useless wife, to make it through the power outage.
    I didn't really like the movie. If I remember the movie correctly, he had a real emotional problem defending his family. The wife had to step up. He finally got it, but it was a ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BornFree View Post
    This is was happened because progressives run California. If the area around the transmission lines were cleared of burnable material then this would not be necessary. But there is no forest management in California anymore.
    They announced on the radio today, that the power company was going to start shutting down the power to certain areas this week. It was to last as long as 3 weeks before they restored power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jward View Post
    I am worried about those freezers. Guessing not everyone knows how to can, or will be able to keep things frozen with the few alterñatives that exist. Hope the temps are bearable, too, I used to get rolling brown outs in 95° weather, and even being young and very healthy, it took a toll.
    In many of the areas it will still be topping 90 degrees.

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