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GOV/MIL Trump Balks At California Governor's Request For Homeless Aid
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    Trump Balks At California Governor's Request For Homeless Aid

    Can't say I'm surprised; California's been wasting piles of money for years upon and now it's going back to the well? I say nay nay, sir.

    Fair use cited so on and so forth.

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    Trump Balks At California Governor's Request For Homeless Aid

    by Tyler Durden
    Wed, 09/18/2019 - 19:35

    The Trump administration has rejected a request by California Governor Gavin Newsom for more money to combat the state's growing homelessness crisis, according to Bloomberg.

    Newsom and 13 mayors of the state's largest cities wrote to Trump this week in search of more federal funds to expand state-wide programs such as housing vouchers.

    "We can all agree that homelessness is a national crisis decades in the making that demands action at every level of government – local, state, and federal. In California, state and local governments have ramped up action to lift families out of poverty by investing in behavioral health, affordable housing, and other homeless programs," wrote the mayors. "In contrast, your Administration has proposed significant cuts to public housing and programs like the Community Development Block Grant."

    Request denied

    "Federal taxpayers are clearly doing their part to help solve the crisis," wrote Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson in a Wednesday reply to Newsom, written at the request of President Trump. "California cannot spend its way out of this problem using federal funds."

    Trump, meanwhile, directed his administration last week to explore ways to combat the homelessness crisis in California. Ideas include relocating vagrants from Los Angeles's notorious skid row to vacant federal properties.

    Nearly 500,000 California households already receive some kind of federal housing assistance, Carson said in his letter, dated Wednesday, and subsidies per tenant are 38% higher than the national average. He said that Los Angeles alone -- where many freeway overpasses and public parks have become encampments -- is home to 19% of the nation’s entire homeless population. -Bloomberg

    Carson added that California needs to let police officers refer homeless people to social services workers, and must increase its psychiatric hospital services - which could come via additional federal funding, according to the report. Here's the kicker however; California must end so-called "sanctuary city" policies which he says encourage illegal immigrants to flock to the state in search of government services.

    As we noted last week, Trump told Fox News host Tucker Carlson in July that his administration "may intercede" in cities like New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles.

    "You can't have what's happening -- where police officers are getting sick just by walking the beat. I mean, they're getting actually very sick, where people are getting sick, where the people living there living in hell, too," said Trump. "We cannot ruin our cities. And you have people that work in those cities. They work in office buildings and to get into the building, they have to walk through a scene that nobody would have believed possible three years ago."

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    it would be money going down a rathole
    it would be money going into the pockets of pinko bureaucrats

    "progressives" - progressively destroying America for decades.

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    Until the voters in California begin the process of leadership change, I wouldn’t give them anything. They caused this. Let them step in shit until they make the necessary change in leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bensam View Post
    Until the voters in California begin the process of leadership change, I wouldn’t give them anything. They caused this. Let them step in shit until they make the necessary change in leadership.
    They're the equivalent of the eighth largest economy on Earth by themselves, but they apparently don't have the money to fix their homeless problem?

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    If they stopped giving money to illegal aliens then there would be plenty of money for other programs in CA.
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    They pissed away a billion on that rail.
    They insist on open borders.
    F*** 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secamp32 View Post
    If they stopped giving money to illegal aliens then there would be plenty of money for other programs in CA.
    Very true. And Cali has boasted of running a budget surplus. More money would just line pockets. The overall philosophy of the socialist government has to change before they can address the problem.
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    doesn't matter how you cook the books >>>> there's alllllll kinds of state & Fed $$$$$$ going to the illegals in these sanctuary states ....

    I'm sure a decent enough %%%% of the homeless are strait out & out illegals - then they are siphoning off food aid - JOBS - what about jobs? >>>> clean up the illegals and then you'll find the homeless situation is 2/3 better than it was ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    They're the equivalent of the eighth largest economy on Earth by themselves, but they apparently don't have the money to fix their homeless problem?
    They don't maintain their dams, why should they use their own money to work on the homeless problem.
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    Stupidity should be painful

    Apparently it is
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bensam View Post
    Until the voters in California begin the process of leadership change, I wouldn’t give them anything. They caused this. Let them step in shit until they make the necessary change in leadership.
    Exactly!
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    The Liberals in California created this mess. Let them eat, sleep, and live in their own feces. I'm glad Trump said no. I hope he sticks to it.
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    Guv is just trying to get back the money Trump made him return for the high speed rail that he didn't build...

    I'd tell him to #sand

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    The Federal Gov. should be demanding money from THEM.
    Open borders harm the entire country.
    Also, we need a border wall around Cali. If Cali wants to shelter illegals, the illegals need STAY in Cali.

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    I think they should line Pelosi's driveway with homeless camps and illegals. That would solve the problem in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bensam View Post
    Until the voters in California begin the process of leadership change, I wouldn’t give them anything. They caused this. Let them step in shit until they make the necessary change in leadership.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    They're the equivalent of the eighth largest economy on Earth by themselves, but they apparently don't have the money to fix their homeless problem?
    Yeah, I wondered about this. I'm also wondering about those vacant federally owned buildings that were referenced to in the OP. Shouldn't our homeless vets be living in those buildings?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbit View Post
    I think they should line Pelosi's driveway with homeless camps and illegals. That would solve the problem in my book.
    She'd just bring in the national guard and have them removed. So would that other bat shit crazy congress critter from California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by packyderms_wife View Post
    She'd just bring in the national guard and have them removed. So would that other bat shit crazy congress critter from California.
    It would be fun to see her do it tho.
    Coverage of it would be interesting.
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    Given the amount of money they are always bragging that their economy creates, they have no need of federal funds. Rearrange what they give away to illegals. Stop making payments to the homeless and use those funds for group buys for physical assets, mental health Tx, etc. If the homeless want a piece of the pie then they have to participate in the mental health, drug abuse, and work projects. Also make the homeless responsible by forcing them into volunteer work hours. No participate, no benefit.

    And Veterans come first.

    And those that don't or won't change their lifestyle don't get either. Please tell me why they are getting checks to perpetuate the problems.

    I am not saying that dealing with the problem of homelessness is going to be easy but it isn't all because CA is expensive to live there. Stop handing out free stuff and you'll be surprised at how many scatter to other places. Enough places stop handing out free stuff and you'd be surprised how many either die by their own lifestyle or they'll find a way to get off the street and back to some other type of living arrangement.

    Even 25 years ago when I was working on a panel for the old and homeless, they said one of the biggest problems was the "free stuff" that people took advantage of rather than ending the lifestyle that created their situation in the first place.

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    Money better spent building a wall around California. They have named all the places in the United States they will not trade with. Why give them another penny. They are all grown up Socialist. Let them figure it out.
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    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...sF_M2Uhh-2DDns

    Trump Prepared to Slap San Francisco with Environmental Violations Due to Homelessness

    President Donald Trump said Wednesday he is ready to slap San Francisco, California, with a notice of environmental violations as a result of their homelessness problem.

    Speaking with reporters on Air Force One as he traveled back to the White House from California, Trump told them that the homeless problem in cites like Los Angeles and San Francisco was allowing pollution to flow into the ocean.

    “It’s a terrible situation — that’s in Los Angeles and in San Francisco,” he said. “And we’re going to be giving San Francisco, they’re in total violation, we’re going to be giving them a notice very soon.”

    He specified the number of used drug needles flowing into the storm drains.

    “They have to clean it up. We can’t have our cities going to hell,” he said.

    Trump said that the Environmental Protection Agency would issue a notice, referring to the city’s “serious violation” of the pollution laws.

    Homelessness in California was a significant problem on the president’s mind as he attended several fundraisers in the state. He blamed Democrat officials in California for allowing the problem to continue.

    “In the case of Los Angeles, it’s a disaster. If you look at San Francisco, it’s a total disaster,” he told reporters after visiting a newly constructed wall on the United States-Mexico border. “We’re going to get involved very soon on a federal basis if they don’t clean up their act.”
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    I have often wondered about needle exchange programs, presumably allowing them to continue their self-destructive behavior in a slightly safer fashion. I believe there are also sanctioned “shooting galleries” with medical personnel available in case of overdose? Could be wrong on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Profit of Doom View Post
    I have often wondered about needle exchange programs, presumably allowing them to continue their self-destructive behavior in a slightly safer fashion. I believe there are also sanctioned “shooting galleries” with medical personnel available in case of overdose? Could be wrong on that.
    Have the free-shooting gallery places. Just put a lethal dose of Botulism B in one out of every 200th one. Junkies in withdrawal will take the risk, and after a while, no more junkie homeless panhandler/burglar/robbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
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    "We can all agree that homelessness is a national crisis decades in the making that demands action at every level of government – local, state, and federal. In California, state and local governments have ramped up action to lift families out of poverty by investing in behavioral health, affordable housing, and other homeless programs," wrote the mayors. "In contrast, your Administration has proposed significant cuts to public housing and programs like the Community Development Block Grant."
    Haven't the demonrats been solidly in control of all major cities and kalifonia for decades?

    Aren't the asinine progressive policies implemented by the demonrats who have been in control all these decades the reason for the homeless "national crisis" (but the border is not a crisis)?

    Classic braindead progressive thinking "our policies have failed miserably so we need more money to allow us to double down on our failed policies, it will be different this time". What is the definition of insanity?
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    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...of2&yptr=yahoo

    Nearly half of the U.S.’s homeless people live in one state: California

    Sept 19, 2019

    Four of the five American cities with the greatest incidences of unsheltered homelessness are in the Golden State



    "More than half a million people are homeless each night in the United States, a new White House report has found. And nearly half of them are concentrated in one state: California.

    All told, 47% of all unsheltered homeless people nationwide — meaning those who sleep in areas not meant for habitation, such as sidewalks, parks, cars and abandoned buildings, rather than in shelters — live in the Golden State, according to a new report on homelessness from the White House Council of Economic Advisers. Unsheltered homeless people represent just over a third (35%) of the overall homeless population nationwide.

    At the city level, four of the five cities with the highest rate of unsheltered homelessness are in California: San Francisco, Los Angeles, Santa Rosa and San Jose. Seattle joins the California municipalities in the top five.

    In recent weeks, reports have suggested that the Trump administration may stage a federal intervention in California to address homelessness in the state.

    As for state homelessness rates, the District of Columbia has the highest in the country, at 5.8 times the U.S. rate. New York is next, followed by Hawaii, Oregon and California. These five states together comprise 20% of the overall U.S. population but 45% of the country’s homeless population.

    The White House report teased out certain trends in homelessness across the country. Communities along both coasts have much larger homeless populations than those in the middle of the country. One driver of this trend is likely the more notable rise in housing prices along the coasts than in much of the Midwest.


    And states with warmer climates were generally more likely to see larger concentrations of people living on the streets. However, some warmer states such as Texas and Florida have smaller homeless populations than might be expected.

    The White House report identified local laws and policing practices as a potential differentiator. “Some [states] more than others engage in more stringent enforcement of quality of life issues like restrictions on the use of tents and encampments, loitering, and other related activities,” the report noted.

    Deregulation and policing are among the Trump administration’s proposals for reducing homelessness

    The Trump administration has floated a range of proposals on how to curb the homelessness crisis across the nation.

    For starters, the White House cited a need for deregulation. Many states and municipalities have zoning rules regarding the construction of both single-family and multifamily homes that have impeded builders’ ability to meet the demand for housing. The resulting housing scarcity has driven up prices. Experts and politicians across the political spectrum have suggested that relaxing such regulations could provide a boost to building activity.

    But the Trump administration has gone a step further in suggesting that law enforcement play a role in curbing homelessness. “Of course, policies intended solely to arrest or jail homeless people simply because they are homeless are inhumane and wrong,” the report stated. “At the same time, when paired with effective services, policing may be an important tool to help move people off the street and into shelter or housing.”

    The report went on to say that homelessness is worsened by “the tolerability of sleeping on the street, which among other factors may be affected through policing of street activities.” The report did not outline specific policies that law enforcement should adopt but did argue that more research to this end was needed.

    In the past week, affordable-housing advocates have criticized the Trump administration’s rumored plans to use policing in addressing homelessness. The White House has reportedly considered razing tent camps, notably in Los Angeles, and directing the people taking shelter there into government-run facilities.

    “The solution to homelessness is affordable homes — not further criminalization, punishing poor people for their poverty, sweeping people experiencing homelessness into increasingly unsafe areas, or warehousing people in untenable and unsustainable conditions, all of which are proposals that the White House is seriously considering,” the National Low Income Housing Coalition said in a statement. “These proposals are abhorrent and unconscionable.”"
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaSmith View Post
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    “The solution to homelessness is affordable homes — not further criminalization, punishing poor people for their poverty, sweeping people experiencing homelessness into increasingly unsafe areas, or warehousing people in untenable and unsustainable conditions, all of which are proposals that the White House is seriously considering,” the National Low Income Housing Coalition said in a statement. “These proposals are abhorrent and unconscionable.”"
    Yet allowing the homeless to sleep and defalcate wherever they desire is sustainable and acceptable? We hear your criticism of bad orange man but where is your solution? I know, let's try throwing more of someone else's money into the same failed programs that got us to where we are today, that'll fix it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mistaken1 View Post
    Yet allowing the homeless to sleep and defalcate wherever they desire is sustainable and acceptable? We hear your criticism of bad orange man but where is your solution? I know, let's try throwing more of someone else's money into the same failed programs that got us to where we are today, that'll fix it.
    Not my writing, m1. I posted that piece primarily BC it showed that in large part, U.S. homelessness was a California problem. To fight homelessness, I'd start with expelling all 3rd World illegal aliens, anyone that was ever one, anyone that was admitted under the fraudulent Hart-Cellar Act of 1965, and all their descendants. That would free up LOTS of housing.

    Next, would be rent control, property taxes, and most building codes. The latter can be replaced by Hammurabi's short one: "if a building falls down and kills a renter, the owner and builder are executed".
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    https://www.hud.gov/sites/dfiles/Mai...onse_POTUS.pdf

    The Trump administration denies Gavin Newsom's request for more money to help homeless crisis in California.

    Ben Carson's reply to Gavin Newsom's request: (excerpted) "Your letter seeks more Federal dollars for California from hardworking American taxpayers but fails to admit that your State and local policies have played a major role in creating the current crisis. Further, illegal and inadmissible aliens are increasing housing demand and draining resources. Instead of protecting the most vulnerable Americans from the economic impacts of illegal immigration, California has doubled down on sanctuary State and city policies and provided benefits to illegal and inadmissible aliens. These policies strain precious resources and reduce housing options for American citizens, especially the needy and those most likely to become homeless. If California's homeless population had held in line with overall population trends, America's homeless rate would have decreased. Instead, the opposite has happened, as California's unsheltered homelessness population has skyrocketed as a result of the State's over-regulated housing market, its inefficient allocation of resources, and its policies that have weakened law enforcement." - Ben Carson, United States Secretary of Housing and Urban Development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaSmith View Post
    Not my writing, m1. I posted that piece primarily BC it showed that in large part, U.S. homelessness was a California problem. To fight homelessness, I'd start with expelling all 3rd World illegal aliens, anyone that was ever one, anyone that was admitted under the fraudulent Hart-Cellar Act of 1965, and all their descendants. That would free up LOTS of housing.

    Next, would be rent control, property taxes, and most building codes. The latter can be replaced by Hammurabi's short one: "if a building falls down and kills a renter, the owner and builder are executed".
    I know. Just reading the article. I am so sick and tired of progressive stupidity posing as rational thought.
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    I think they should line Pelosi's driveway with homeless camps and illegals. That would solve the problem in my book.
    Why just Pelosi? Every mayor of every Calif town with a population of 200, 000+

    I worked with homeless here in Calif, mostly Santa Cruz area until I realized most were just vagrants who wanted every friggin thing free. Only about 20% deserve help and assistance.
    I'm off to the coast..

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