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ALERT Thread for Canadian Election October 21 2019 - TRUDEAU WINS, post 98
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    The CBC aka the commie broadcasting is pushing screwdo like crazy. But then he
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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1X01MN

    NEWSOCTOBER 21, 2019 / 11:03 AM / UPDATED 17 MINUTES AGO
    Factbox: Key seats to watch in Canada's federal election
    6 MIN READ

    TORONTO (Reuters) - As Canadians head to polls on Monday, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s Liberals are neck-and-neck with Andrew Scheer’s Conservative Party in national opinion polls. The New Democratic Party (NDP) led by Jagmeet Singh and the Green Party led by Elizabeth May are in third and fourth place respectively.

    In a close race, a few votes in a few electoral districts, called ridings in Canada, could make all the difference in who is prime minister.

    Here is how Canada’s system of parliamentary democracy works..

    Here are some key ridings that may be indicators for national trends at ballot boxes across the country.


    BURNABY NORTH-SEYMOUR, BRITISH COLUMBIA

    The Trans Mountain Pipeline is a controversial issue in this West Coast riding. It is held by the Liberals, but they won by only six percentage points over the NDP in 2015. The Trudeau government’s decision to buy the project in 2017 is not supported by residents, according to the current Liberal Member of Parliament, Terry Beech, who voted against the purchase.

    The NDP is running veteran Svend Robinson, 67, who represented three now-dissolved Burnaby ridings between 1979-2004. Conservative candidate Heather Leung could have potentially benefited from a vote split between the Liberals and NDP, but the party announced earlier this month that they were dropping her after homophobic comments she made in 2016 came to light. Leung remains on the ballot.

    CALGARY CENTRE, ALBERTA
    The Liberals are hoping to hold onto what is one of only two footholds in Alberta, but anti-Liberal sentiment is running high in the oil-rich province as many feel the governing party has bungled the energy portfolio. Incumbent Kent Hehr flipped this riding from the Conservatives in 2015 by a margin of 1.2 percentage points. He was originally a cabinet member, but resigned in 2018 in the wake of sexual harassment allegations. Polls indicate he is facing a tough reelection campaign against Conservative candidate Greg McLean.


    CHURCHILL—KEEWATINOOK ASKI, MANITOBA
    The NDP currently hold this riding, but only just - in 2015 then-two term incumbent Niki Ashton won 45% of the vote versus 42% for the Liberals. This year the Liberals are fronting Judy Klassen - who unseated an NDP minister in the same riding in the 2016 provincial election - to face off against Ashton. With the highest proportion of indigenous voters anywhere in Canada, the riding is expected to be an indicator of whether Trudeau can repeat his 2015 success of connecting with aboriginal communities and motivating them enough to get to the ballot box.


    TORONTO-DANFORTH, ONTARIO

    Located in central Toronto, this current Liberal riding was held by the popular NDP Leader Jack Layton until his death in 2011. Liberal Julie Dabrusin took it in 2015 by a margin of just 2 percentage points. Voters are predominantly middle class with post-secondary education, and a high proportion of immigrants, according to 2016 Census data. This makes it a key battleground for the progressive vote between the Liberals and NDP. The leaders of both parties have made campaign stops here, a sign they consider it a target.

    ETOBICOKE NORTH, ONTARIO
    Located just outside of Toronto, this riding is currently held by the federal Liberals and usually considered safe for them. It’s also the provincial riding of Ontario’s Conservative premier Doug Ford, who has fallen in public opinion polls since coming to power in 2018. Ford flipped the riding from the provincial Liberals last year. Although neither his party nor the Ontario Liberals are affiliated with their federal counterparts, voter support for the provincial party often reflects in support for the federal iteration. The riding will be seen as an indicator of whether the federal Conservatives will be hurt by the premier’s falling popularity in Canada’s most populous province.

    The situation is further complicated by Ford’s sister-in-law, Renata Ford, widow of the late Toronto mayor Rob Ford who was best known for admitting in 2013 he had smoked crack cocaine while in office. She will be on the ballot for the right-wing People’s Party of Canada.


    PETERBOROUGH—KAWARTHA, ONTARIO
    This southern Ontario riding represents a mix of voters - urban and rural, young university students and older retirees, predominantly white and English-speaking but with a growing population of Syrian refugees and other minorities. It has been a bellwether for almost every election result in its 66-year history. Incumbent Maryam Monsef, a Liberal cabinet minister, is facing off against the Conservatives’ Michael Skinner, who lost to her in 2015 by just over 8 percentage points.

    SAINT-HYACINTHE—BAGOT, QC

    The rural central Quebec riding is held by the NDP, but it’s a close four-way race, pollsters say. The New Democrats won it in 2015 with 28.7% of the vote, with the Liberals just behind on 27.6%. The separatist Bloc Quebecois party came third with 24.3% of the vote, and the Conservatives trailed with 16.7%. Composed almost exclusively of French-speaking voters and few immigrants, this heavily agricultural region is a target for all four parties - with the NDP’s support in the province lagging, the others see it as an opportunity.

    BEAUCE, QC
    Maxime Bernier held this riding for the Conservatives between 2006 and 2018, when he resigned to create the People’s Party of Canada after losing the leadership contest of the Conservative Party to Scheer. The Conservatives are running a former mayor and local businessman Richard Lehoux, whose family have been dairy farmers for four generations.

    Reporting by Moira Warburton; Editing by Alistair Bell

    Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

  3. #83
    Time to vote: Polls are open across Canada

    After a 40-day campaign, millions of Canadians are casting ballots today in the 43rd general election.

    Elections Canada says some people got robocalls with misinformation about when to vote

    CBC News · Posted: October 21, 2019 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 32 minutes ago


    After a 40-day campaign, it's time for Canadians to decide on the next federal government.

    Polls have opened across the country to vote in this 43rd general election.

    The first ballots were cast at 8:30 a.m. local time in Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island and New Brunswick, and the last will be cast at 7 p.m. PT (10 p.m. ET) in British Columbia.

    Elections Canada says roughly 27.4 million people are eligible to vote at one of the approximately 20,000 polling places across the country.

    While most voters will cast their ballots today, around 4.7 million Canadians did so in advance polls last weekend — a 29 per cent increase over 2015.

    But on Monday Elections Canada said there have been robocalls giving misinformation about when people could vote. Some people got these calls in ridings in Quebec, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.

    The agency said electors should be wary of any calls, emails or texts claiming that your polling station or voting time has changed. Anyone receiving such calls should call 1-800-463-6868.

    "Elections Canada does not call, email or text electors about where to vote or about moving a polling station," the agency said.

    It's not known if the calls were mischief or an attempt to influence the election.

    Canadian citizens 18 and over who have not already voted can put an X beside the name of their favoured candidate at local polling stations.

    Rosellen Sullivan, an early voter in St. John's today, said it's been an important campaign and urged others to vote.

    "There are a lot of issues, and I just think this election is particularly important. I think there's a lot of uncertainty in the country right now, and I think every vote counts," she said.

    "I know that's a cliché, but actually, compared to the last election where I think there was a lot of non-turnouts, I think it was really important for people to vote this time around."

    Voting delays

    CBC News had early reports of polling stations unprepared for voters in Ottawa at Briargreen Public School, Woodroffe High School and Bromley Road Baptist Church. Voters were told to come back later. Elections Canada says about eight polls were affected but those polls are now open.

    There were also late openings at some Toronto polling stations after Elections Canada workers were no-shows for their shifts.

    While there are long lines at some polls, voting appears to be going smoothly across most of the country.

    In Natuashish, on Labrador's coast, the Elections Canada crew was unable to get into the community because of flight delays due to weather conditions, meaning polls didn't open as scheduled. The crew got on the early flight today, and voting is expected to continue until 8 p.m. local time.

    In Manitoba, Elections Canada has set up special polls for people forced to leave their homes because of a severe storm last weekend. Polls will be open on their First Nations reserves, but people staying in Winnipeg can vote for the candidate in their ridings at a University of Winnipeg polling station.

    Some polling stations in Manitoba have reduced hours because of power outages. The Elections Canada website has an update on the affected communities.

    In Nunavut, a formal complaint has been made to Elections Canada because Inuktitut syllabics were not on the ballot. Inuktitut is an official language in the territory along with Inuinnaqtun, French and English.

    According to a spokesperson for Elections Canada, changes would have to be made to the Canada Elections Act in order for syllabics to be included on future ballots.

    In Quebec, three party leaders cast their votes and are waiting to hear results. Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau is running in the Papineau riding in Montreal, Yves-François Blanchet of the Bloc Québécois is also in the Montreal area, in Beloeil-Chambly, and People's Party of Canada Leader Maxime Bernier is in Beauceville, southeast of Quebec City.

    Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer is running in Regina-Qu'Appelle, and his headquarters are in Regina. Scheer plans to cast his vote this afternoon.

    The other two major party leaders have ridings in British Columbia: the NDP's Jagmeet Singh in Burnaby South and the Green Party's Elizabeth May in Saanich-Gulf Islands. Singh voted in advance on October 13; May voted in her riding before heading back to party headquarters in Victoria.

    If you haven't received a voter information card (VIC) in the mail — they were sent weeks ago — then you can find your designated polling station by using the postal code search on the Elections Canada website here or call 1-800-463-6868.

    On that website, you can also find out who the candidates are in your local riding. Their names — and, if applicable, party affiliation — are listed on the physical ballot you'll receive from the poll clerk.

    Unlike many other countries, Canada allows for same-day voter registration. That means if you aren't yet registered to vote, you can also do that today at your assigned polling station.

    In some recent provincial elections, electors have been able to cast a ballot at any polling station in the province. The same rules do not apply in a federal election. On election day, you can only vote at your assigned polling station, which is typically housed in a nearby school, place of worship or community building.

    All electors need to have some form of identification — proof of both identity and address — to present when they go to vote. The easiest option is a driver's licence. You can also bring your VIC and a recent utility bill. A Canadian passport and bank statement will also suffice.

    Voting hours vary across the country

    Here are the voting hours for each time zone. All times are local.
    Newfoundland — 8:30 a.m. to 8:30 p.m.
    Atlantic — 8:30 a.m. – 8:30 p.m.
    Eastern — 9:30 a.m. – 9:30 p.m.
    Manitoba — 8:30 a.m. – 8:30 p.m.
    Alberta, Saskatchewan and Northwest Territories — 7:30 a.m. – 7:30 p.m.
    Pacific — 7 a.m. – 7 p.m.
    This means polls in Newfoundland and Labrador will close at 7 p.m. ET — and all polls will be closed by 10 p.m. ET.

    (There are no longer results blackout rules in Canada, so first results for areas where polls are closed will be available starting shortly after 7 p.m. ET.)


    A close race

    The Liberals under Trudeau and Conservatives under Scheer started the election largely neck-and-neck in opinion polls and, despite their best efforts, neither leader seems to have been able to jump ahead.

    In the 2015 election, the Liberals took a clean sweep of Atlantic Canada. This time around, there are some hotly contested ridings, including St. John's East, where the NDP and Liberal candidates are battling it out. The Conservatives hope to break the Liberal hold in Nova Scotia in ridings like Kings Hants and West Nova. The Green Party also hopes to make inroads in New Brunswick, after doing well in the provincial election.

    The resurgence of the Bloc Québécois under Blanchet is expected to complicate results in Quebec. The Bloc has seen a surge in support after strong debate performances by Blanchet, and could win as many as 40 of Quebec's 78 seats. Meanwhile, both Trudeau and Scheer have warned a vote for the Bloc could reopen the question of separatism.

    In Ontario, the Liberals and Conservatives are fighting over 121 of the 338 seats in the House of Commons. In the last election, the Liberals took 80 seats and the Conservatives 33. Unless the Conservatives can unseat a number of Liberals, especially in the Greater Toronto Area, they cannot hope to form a government.

    The Conservatives are expected to take the lion's share of seats in Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta, where the economy and the fate of pipelines have been burning issues. The Liberals and NDP held a handful of seats in 2015, but prominent Liberal Ralph Goodale faces a tough race in Regina Wascana, and the Liberals may be swept aside in Alberta.

    In such a close race, results in British Columbia will be watched with more interest than usual.

    "British Columbia might end up being particularly important, even decisive, come election night, which isn't typical," said David Moscrop, political scientist and postdoctoral fellow at the University of Ottawa.

    If current projections from CBC's Poll Tracker hold, the province's 42 electoral districts may determine whether the Liberal Party or Conservative Party holds more leverage in a minority government scenario.

    Changes to polling stations are rare

    The reports of robocalls bring to mind the calls made in the 2011 election, when voters were redirected to the wrong polling stations, robbing some of the chance to vote.

    Guelph campaign worker for the Conservatives Michael Sona was charged after the incident and sentenced to nine months in jail.

    In the highly unlikely event that your local polling station has changed, Elections Canada will tell local news media, who will pass the message on to you through social media and news broadcasts.

    Staff will also be on hand at the old polling station to direct electors to the new location.

    "It is very rare that we would move a polling station after we've sent the voter information cards. We move polling stations only in exceptional situations — for example, if there is a fire at the original polling station."

    Because of weather-related issues, some electors in Manitoba will be able to vote by special ballot.

    As a reminder, electors are forbidden from filming or taking pictures inside the voting place.

    You cannot show, film or take a picture of a marked ballot — it is illegal because it violates the secrecy of the vote under the Canada Elections Act.

    And, of course, you can only vote once.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ele...know-1.5328369

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    This should not even be a close race. The guy is an obvious ass clown, who has been heckled at campaign stops by people in black face.
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    I wish you Canucks all the luck at ousting Justine.

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    Where to Watch

    Election night LIVE! Ezra Levant & Rebel News team (9pm ET)

    Live Streaming 2 hours

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku0NdjmOZjs

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    Where to Watch

    CBC site which will update election results

    https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elec.../2019/results/

    CBC Live Streaming

    https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elec.../2019/results/

    CBC The National

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational
    Last edited by northern watch; 10-21-2019 at 06:20 PM.

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    Where to Watch

    CTV News‏Verified account @CTVNews · 24m24 minutes ago

    Election 2019: http://CTVNews.ca live blog with real-time updates and analysis

    https://election.ctvnews.ca/live-upd...ysis-1.4648356

    CTV Live Streaming Starts at 7:00 pm EST

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=...1&binPageNum=1

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    Thanks to all for posting the live links. I'm not Canadian but LOVE the country and the people. Wife and I honeymooned back in 1997 in Ottawa and Montreal. First time in my life I'd seen snow piled up so high! A beautiful country with really great folks. Very friendly and welcoming.

    And I hope yall send Trudeau out of office sliding on his butt. Your country deserves better leadership. We got Pres. Trump and hope yall luck out like we did.

    There is no reason Canada's economy shouldn't be rocking along like the US economy. Would love to see yall in an exonomic boom!

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    Holy F^ck...

    The link I have shows Trudeau with over 50% of the vote and the next closest party ( Conservatives ) with 35%...

    What the actual hell???

    Well, it's been nice knowing you, Canada. You get what you vote for...
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    The Polls just closed in the Maritimes 10 minutes ago......

    The don't close in BC for almost 3 hours and we won't know much for 5 hours or so.

    You are following some other Election - it is not 2019.
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    Laurane, a "riding" is like our local voting district, correct?

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    The next hour / hour and a half will tell the tale i would think.

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    Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but so that the world might be saved through Him.


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    If it weren't for the United States, Canada would have been taken over by Russia or China long, long ago.

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    Conservatives lost......Trudeau won a minority.

    Alberta is done - our only choice is to ally with MT/ID/WY and maybe Western States.

    We have no ports to ship our oil and gas to as no provinces going East or West will allow new pipelines and we don't have refineries here.

    But we also will have very little economy as the oil companies shut down production and move south or overseas, and those voters who chose Liberals again won't be receiving
    Equalization payments like they have been (in the billions) especially Quebec.

    The economies of Quebec and Ontario and the Maritimes will suffer greatly and fall to the level of economic activity of Alberta/SK.....and all will lose.

    AB/SK are the breadbasket and resource producers of Canada and people don't realize this, but they will by next year.

    Do I sound bitter......you bet, and I will work AGAIN for the Separatist movement that is rising already in the West.

    Trudeau played it well, by telling voters that if they elect NDP (Socialists) instead of them, then the Conservatives will win......but nobody said the voters in ON and PQ were informed. Their Bloc (Separatist) tripled their seats to 32 or so and should prove interesting as they try on the Separatist threat once more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarok View Post
    Holy F^ck...

    The link I have shows Trudeau with over 50% of the vote and the next closest party ( Conservatives ) with 35%...

    What the actual hell???

    Well, it's been nice knowing you, Canada. You get what you vote for...
    Quote Originally Posted by Laurane View Post
    You are following some other Election - it is not 2019.
    Quote Originally Posted by Laurane View Post
    Conservatives lost......Trudeau won a minority.
    I guess I wasn't watching another election, eh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meadowlark View Post
    This should not even be a close race. The guy is an obvious ass clown, who has been heckled at campaign stops by people in black face.
    That's what I thought, too... I am gobsmacked by the Canadians. Screw 'em... As Trudeau continues to let Muslims in unchecked, as he pays out 10 million dollars to jihad terrorists, as he continues bad trade deals and as embarrassing incidents such as the numerous blackface parties continue to be uncovered...

    I felt sorry for Canadians before. I don't now.

    They want this idiot to lead them.

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    Canada's Trudeau to remain in power but with minority government

    David Ljunggren, Kelsey Johnson
    October 21, 2019 / 1:07 AM / Updated 24 minutes ago

    OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will remain in power but with a minority government that will require the support of a smaller left-leaning party, official results showed on Monday after a hard-fought battle in which he was dogged by scandals.

    The Liberals had won or were leading in 156 out of 338 seats as of midnight EDT (0400 GMT on Tuesday), according to Elections Canada. That put the Liberals far short of the 170 seats needed for a second straight majority government.

    Trudeau, who took power in 2015 as a charismatic figure promising “sunny ways,” saw his popularity drop over old photos of him in blackface and his handling of a corporate corruption case. He will now have to rely on the New Democratic Party (NDP) to push through key legislation.

    Although the NDP had a disappointing night, as the number of seats it was projected to win was down sharply from the 2015 election, the party could exercise significant influence over Trudeau’s next government.

    “I think a Liberal government supported by the (NDP) is likely going to lean farther left,” said John Manley, a former Liberal finance minister who now works in the private sector.

    “It raises a series of issues about what are the demands that an NDP party would make. What’s the price of governing going to be? And I think businesses are going to be reluctant to make any moves until they get some satisfaction around that.”

    Minority governments in Canada rarely last more than 2-1/2 years.

    Ahead of the vote, polls showed a neck-and-neck race between Trudeau and his main rival, Conservative leader Andrew Scheer. The Conservatives, who trailed on Monday with 121 seats, actually held slightly more than a 1-percentage-point lead in the popular vote over the Liberals.

    Trudeau, 47, who has championed diversity as prime minister, was endorsed by former U.S. President Barack Obama in the final stretch of the campaign and is viewed as one of the last remaining progressive leaders among the world’s major democracies.

    But the son of the late Liberal Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau also had to overcome a sense of fatigue with his government.

    The Bloc Quebecois saw its support jump in the mainly French-speaking province of Quebec, the only place where the separatist party contests elections.

    It was elected or ahead in 32 seats, more than three times what the party won in 2015
    .

    “The Bloc Quebecois is surging in Quebec,” said Daniel Béland, director of the McGill Institute for the Study of Canada, who added that the election was a “clear defeat” for Scheer and the Conservatives.

    The Greens, who have assailed Trudeau for not doing enough to combat climate change, also made gains on Monday.

    WESTERN ANGER

    Liberal Natural Resources Minister Amarjeet Sohi lost his seat in Alberta as did Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale in neighbouring Saskatchewan. Anger at Trudeau has mounted in those two provinces over federal environmental policies that the energy industry says will harm output.

    The oil industry’s top lobbying group has blamed Trudeau’s policies for throttling investment in the sector, and some global energy companies have shed assets in the oil sands region of Alberta, the country’s main oil-producing province.

    Canada’s economy, however, has been on a general upswing in 2019. The Canadian dollar has been the best-performing G10 currency this year, rising more than 4% against its U.S. counterpart, as the economy added jobs at a robust pace and inflation stayed closed to the Bank of Canada’s 2% target.

    The six-week official campaign period was a rough and meandering ride with dirty tactics on both sides.

    The liberal image of Trudeau, whose father opened the country to mass immigration, took a severe blow when pictures emerged early in the campaign of him wearing blackface in the early 1990s and in 2001.

    Trudeau had already been wrestling with the fallout from accusations he pressured his justice minister to help shield engineering firm SNC-Lavalin Group Inc (SNC.TO) from corruption charges. In August, a top watchdog said Trudeau breached ethics rules.

    Scheer also proved to be a determined opponent, although his hopes for a major breakthrough were dashed.

    Scheer, 40, promised to balance the federal budget and eliminate a “carbon tax” on fossil fuels. He was running his first campaign as party leader after winning a bitter leadership fight in 2017.

    “The Tories made a fundamental mistake by being opposed to the carbon tax,” said Hugh Segal, who was chief of staff to former Conservative Prime Minister Brian Mulroney.

    “I’ve often heard it said the worst mistake a party can make is to get sucked into its own low expectations of the population,” he said.

    Reporting by David Ljunggren and Kelsey Johnson in Ottawa; Additional reporting by Steve Scherer in Ottawa, Jeff Lewis in Calgary, Alberta and Allison Martell, Moira Warburton and Fergal Smith in Toronto; Writing by Steve Scherer and Paul Simao; Editing by Amran Abocar and Peter Cooney

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-ca...-idUKKBN1X00DC

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    Ok, I watched the election

    As of 1:27 EST

    Number of Seats per party

    Lib 156, Con 122, BQ 32, NDP 24, GRN 3, IND 1

    A Liberal Minority Government.

    Minority Governments rarely last 18 months if that

    Trudeau gave a speech which sounded like, he has started campaigning for the next election.

    One prediction, I expect the Canadian Dollar to drop in value.

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    I guess I wasn't watching another election, eh?
    Don't know what polls you were watching but nothing closed until 7:30pm

    I felt sorry for Canadians before. I don't now.
    ....don't want your pity. Do you realize how large and diverse our country is? It is not like your 50 States where you really have lots of power. We only have 10 provinces and 2 territories and they are huge geographically, some rich, some poor.

    We have 2 languages (idiotic) forced on everyone by Liberals, who are as moronic and unpatriotic as your Democrats. All they want is power and money. And one part of the country is completely self-absorbed, like your coastal states and the rest of us, is flyover country to them.

    I also expect a non-confidence vote with the Cons/NDP/Greens/Bloc combining for it. Everyone wants a do-over because they are disappointed and want more seats and hope they are growing - no downside to it.

    But we will be trying to get the Premiers of Alberta/Sask/Manitoba to put Separation to a vote within 30 days. There is a petition which is 2 hours old which has 2200 name on it for this Vote to be held - there are over 50,000 postings on the WEXIT site, which is huge and 99% are for leaving under the right conditions.

    We are Canada's Brexit.....and it won't take nearly as long. We can feed ourselves and heat our houses and run our cars, but we don't have a port.....yet.
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    Alberta, here's how to stop being a national doormat

    Danielle Smith
    Calgary Herald
    Updated: October 18, 2019

    We're tired of being doormats. Alberta should become a nation within a nation, says columnist Danielle Smith. Postmedia

    Election day is shaping up to be the most disunifying event in Canada in recent history, but it doesn’t have to be. It could also be the moment where Alberta finally decides to stop acting like a national doormat and take charge of its future.

    If Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer does not win a majority government, he will never get a chance to govern as a minority because none of the fringe parties will let him. The NDP, the Greens and the Bloc have all made it clear that the price of their co-operation is sacrificing Alberta and cancelling the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, no matter how punishing it will be to the entire country or how damaging it will be to national unity.

    If Premier Jason Kenney wants to stem the tide of Alberta separation, he’s going to have to act quickly. Here are three things he could do right away:

    First, Alberta should announce we will hold an immediate referendum on equalization rather than wait until the 2021 municipal elections. If Quebec has no interest in supporting Alberta’s aspirations to grow our economy, they can also do without an equalization program that relies on federal over-taxation of Alberta to fund it.

    Second, Alberta must begin pushing our own political agenda. We need to resurrect the “firewall” proposals from a letter authored by academics in 2001. If we are going to become a nation within a nation, as Quebec effectively has done, we need to collect our own money, pay for our own programs, take charge of our own policing and have our own border control.

    That means establishing a tax department so we can collect our own taxes and make it completely transparent how much we collect for our own provincial needs and how much we send to Ottawa.

    It means creating our own Alberta Provincial Police that answers to our political authorities, not Ottawa.

    It means creating our own immigration protocols so we can better meet the needs of our own employers for qualified labour.

    It means serving notice that we are leaving the Canada Pension Plan and developing our own Alberta Pension Plan. We have a young population with a high workforce participation rate and a relatively low number of retirees. By offering our own pension, we can reduce premiums for workers and maintain equivalent (or better) benefits for seniors. Most importantly, we can stop the skimming of other provinces. If they want enriched benefits, they can pay for it themselves.

    And it means demanding an end to federal meddling in provincial jurisdiction. We need to reject the Canada Health Transfer and Canada Social Transfer, and tell Ottawa to transfer tax points to us instead, so we can generate our own money to pay for our own social programs and run them our own way.

    Finally, Kenney needs to get our industries clear access to tidewater. If we wanted to be really bold, we would ask for a do-over on drawing our provincial boundaries.

    What if we could go back in time to the boundaries that existed in 1903, a single jurisdiction that encompassed Alberta, Saskatchewan and the Northwest Territories, full access to tidewater off several points on the northern coast, not to mention rich deposits of uranium, gold, zinc, copper, diamonds and myriad other metals and minerals for international export? Just imagine the combined strength of our three jurisdictions acting as one unified force, approving our own projects within our own borders with our own regulatory bodies? I’d like a referendum on that.

    If that’s too much of a pipe dream, let’s at least begin with establishing a couple of dedicated rights of way to deepwater ports. For more than a decade we have heard various proposals for economic utility corridors. What are we waiting for?

    Let’s take the lead to identify an appropriate route with our friendly neighbours in the Northwest Territories, Saskatchewan and Manitoba, and just buy the land ourselves.

    These corridors should be at least one kilometre wide so they contain all the infrastructure we could ever need in the future: a new highway, a rail line, transmission lines, pipelines, fibre optic cables and other utility infrastructure ending in Tuktoyaktuk in the North and Churchill in Manitoba.

    Let’s be clear: No one holds veto power over our right to develop our resources.

    If B.C. and Quebec don’t want to work with us for mutual benefit, then fine. Let’s stop moaning about it and partner with those who will, and tell Ottawa to stay out of our way.

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    Western Canada 1903

  23. #103
    Andrew Coyne‏Verified account @acoyne · 3h3 hours ago

    How “strong” a minority is this? The Liberals won just 33 per cent of the popular vote. That’s not only won a smaller share of the popular vote than the Tories: it’s the smallest vote share of any government, majority or minority, in the history of the country.

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    CTV News‏Verified account @CTVNews · 22m22 minutes ago

    Western separatist movement gains traction as Albertans react to Liberal victory

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    Brian Lilley‏Verified account @brianlilley · 3h3 hours ago

    Trudeau has won but Canada loses.
    This election result shows a deeply divided Canada and those divisions are about to get worse under these results
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    Candice Malcolm‏Verified account @CandiceMalcolm · 2h2 hours ago

    No humility from Trudeau in this speech tonight. Doubling down on his aggressive partisan sneers, doesn't acknowledge that he lost his majority... and the popular vote. Oh, and didn't even let Scheer speak before he started his speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarok View Post
    I am gobsmacked by the Canadians. Screw 'em... As Trudeau continues to let Muslims in unchecked, as he pays out 10 million dollars to jihad terrorists, as he continues bad trade deals and as embarrassing incidents such as the numerous blackface parties continue to be uncovered...

    I felt sorry for Canadians before. I don't now.

    They want this idiot to lead them.


    I must agree. They made their bed with eyes wide open.

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    Don't tar us all with the same brush please. I sure as h*ll didn't vote for that moron. Don't even recognize my own country anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurane View Post
    Conservatives lost......Trudeau won a minority.

    Alberta is done - our only choice is to ally with MT/ID/WY and maybe Western States.

    We have no ports to ship our oil and gas to as no provinces going East or West will allow new pipelines and we don't have refineries here.

    But we also will have very little economy as the oil companies shut down production and move south or overseas, and those voters who chose Liberals again won't be receiving
    Equalization payments like they have been (in the billions) especially Quebec.

    The economies of Quebec and Ontario and the Maritimes will suffer greatly and fall to the level of economic activity of Alberta/SK.....and all will lose.

    AB/SK are the breadbasket and resource producers of Canada and people don't realize this, but they will by next year.

    Do I sound bitter......you bet, and I will work AGAIN for the Separatist movement that is rising already in the West.

    Trudeau played it well, by telling voters that if they elect NDP (Socialists) instead of them, then the Conservatives will win......but nobody said the voters in ON and PQ were informed. Their Bloc (Separatist) tripled their seats to 32 or so and should prove interesting as they try on the Separatist threat once more.
    I remember yrs ago, seeing a billboard stating.. "let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark"

    it was at a time when Ottawa was wanting alberta oil 'dirt cheap'

    I can see alberta sask wanting to split.. mebbe Manitoba also

    but BC?

    nope

    I am in ont now but was in BC for 25 yrs and alberta for 2

    and Manitoba .. for one brutal windy winter

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGTech View Post
    Don't tar us all with the same brush please. I sure as h*ll didn't vote for that moron. Don't even recognize my own country anymore.
    what he said

    I voted yesterday

    but not for that fool

    or his friends

    a LOT of us are waking up this morning wondering wtf just happened

    theres gonna be a shortage of Vaseline as cdns realize what they did

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    Quote Originally Posted by northern watch View Post
    Ok, I watched the election

    As of 1:27 EST

    Number of Seats per party

    Lib 156, Con 122, BQ 32, NDP 24, GRN 3, IND 1

    A Liberal Minority Government.

    Minority Governments rarely last 18 months if that

    Trudeau gave a speech which sounded like, he has started campaigning for the next election.

    One prediction, I expect the Canadian Dollar to drop in value.
    Are BQ Conservative or Liberal (or neither) and would they form an alliance with anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeker View Post
    what he said

    I voted yesterday

    but not for that fool

    or his friends

    a LOT of us are waking up this morning wondering wtf just happened

    theres gonna be a shortage of Vaseline as cdns realize what they did
    The results we far more conservative than I expected. After the liberals saw what happened in the USA, I expected that a conservative would never ever have a chance. They would load up and cheat their way to winning from that point on. The fact that conservatives actually got 122 seats was pretty darn good in my opinion.

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    So they reelected a loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGTech View Post
    Don't tar us all with the same brush please. I sure as h*ll didn't vote for that moron. Don't even recognize my own country anymore.
    This was a lot of us in 2012.

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    Unbelievable. Staggering to know that moron is back in. So separation it is. Full send.
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    Just wondering something -- if Alberta and Saskatchewan want to secede, what about Northwest Terr. and Yukon Terr.? If they all went as a bloc, they could ally with Alaska, as well as with the Lower 48. There's been talk forever about pipelines and RR's running across those provinces from Alaska to the Lower 48; they could run trade both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post
    So they reelected a loser.
    Remember in a Parliamentary system no one except a local district votes for a particular leader, they vote for a local MP from a particular party.

    This has good and bad aspects, one of which is a person can love their local MP because they are a wonderful and good leader but unfortunately voting for them means voting for their party and that party leader is who becomes Prime Minister.

    This isn't like the United States where you vote for a Senator and a candidate to be US President, it is more like when you vote for your senator you are also indirectly voting for whoever heads his or her party to be Prime Minister.

    This gives people a lot of choices on the local level, but can have unexpected results on the national one.
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    Personally not surprised, so many brain dead people here in Canada, I have them in my own family. Between that and
    his imported voter base that's all he needed, with how fractured Canada is right now. we had 6 partys running, and in
    the riding of Maxime Bernier leader of the PPC, 1 of the other groups set up another Maxime Bernier to run.
    So alot of bullshit behind the scenes as usual

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    Canada's currency, energy shares fall as new government relies on left-leaning parties

    Fergal Smith
    October 22, 2019 / 9:34 AM / Updated an hour ago

    TORONTO (Reuters) - The Canadian dollar weakened against the greenback on Tuesday and its heavily weighted energy sector fell on the Toronto stock market, as investors worried that a minority government would make building of new oil pipelines more difficult.

    Canada’s energy industry saw its worst-case election result materialize on Monday as the Liberals failed to secure a majority government, leaving them in need of support from left-leaning parties that are opposed to new oil pipelines.

    Canada’s energy sector declined 0.5% even as oil prices rose, with shares of Canadian Natural Resources Ltd falling 0.8 and pipeline company Encana Corp down 1.4%.

    The energy sector has the second largest weighting on Toronto’s benchmark stock index at about 16%, while oil is one of Canada’s major exports.

    “The market will be watching closely for signs on how a minority government will manage the resource sector and how energy companies will react to the results,” said Adam Button, chief currency analyst at ForexLive. “In the short term, there are some downside risks for the Canadian dollar but the rule of thumb on every election is to buy the dip and that will prove true again.”

    At 10:08 a.m. (1408 GMT), the Canadian dollar was trading 0.1% lower at 1.3108 to the greenback, or 76.29 U.S. cents. Earlier in the session, the currency notched its strongest level since July 22 at 1.3071.

    The election outcome could also lead to increased fiscal spending. Trudeau has said he would nearly double the deficit from C$14 billion in the fiscal year that ended in March.

    “To get support on Liberal bills, the government will need to include items supported by at least one of the other parties,” said Craig Alexander, chief economist at Deloitte Canada. “This is likely to lead to modestly more government spending and investment.”

    Still, Canadian government bonds rallied after data from Statistics Canada showed that Canadian retail sales were down 0.1% in August from July. Analysts had forecast a 0.4% increase.

    The two-year bond price rose 9.5 Canadian cents to yield 1.607% and the 10-year price was up 42 Canadian cents to yield 1.519%.

    The gap between Canada’s 2-year yield and its U.S. equivalent narrowed by 3.6 basis points to narrow the spread in favor of Canada’s bond to almost zero.

    The Bank of Canada will release the autumn issue of the Business Outlook Survey at 10:30 a.m. ET (1430 GMT), which could help guide expectations for its policy outlook.

    Reporting by Fergal Smith; Editing by Nick Zieminski and Sandra Maler

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-ca...-idUKKBN1X11KX

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    Well, I see that my first prediction has come true, the Canadian Dollar has dropped in value against the US Dollar.

    If Alberta starts to make any real moves toward leaving Canada expect a major drop in the value of the Canadian Dollar.

    The rise of Quebec separatism is not good for the Canadian Dollar

    Since the currency is no longer stable, expect inflation.

    If Trudeau starts to spend money like there is no tomorrow, expect inflation and interest rates to rise.

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