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    Govt sources confirm all 21 rebels are being kicked out - including the man who was Chancellor until a few weeks ago and Churchill’s grandson BUT.... Leadsom just suggested to @BBCVickiYoung that if they change minds tmrw they might have another chance ... hmmm

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    If all these ⁦@Conservatives⁩ lose the whip - the Government will have just 293 MPs
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    Came across this on CTH open comments thread.....

    Carrie says:
    September 3, 2019 at 3:46 pm
    They are literally trying to push through a bill that stops No Deal from even being possible! And Boris needs 2/3 of the Commons to have a snap election, which will be necessary to get rid of the traitors in his own party. They are voting now, this is nail-biting. If they table No Deal the next elections are going to destroy Labour and the Tories. I really hope the Brexit party with Nigel ends up taking over. Too many MP’s getting corporate monies…

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    The British government basically punks for the EU. They desperately need another Thatcher and they’re not going to get one.



    punk

    According to a 1950's slang dictionary the true root for the label "punk" was "a young male companion of a sodomite."

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    Ken Clarke has been a Conservative MP since 1970. Boris Johnson has decided to throw him out of the party tonight. Incredible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northern watch View Post
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    Ken Clarke has been a Conservative MP since 1970. Boris Johnson has decided to throw him out of the party tonight. Incredible.
    Along with Winston Churchill's grandson and a whole bunch of former cabinet ministers, as far as I know most of them were not Remainers, but they didn't take bullying very well.

    There are hints if they change their vote tomorrow they can "stay in" but that hasn't been directly stated yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post

    GOOD ONE DENNIS!!!
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    I will LMAO if Nigel Farage ends up PM.

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    Breitbart London‏ @BreitbartLondon · 6m6 minutes ago

    ‘Parliament Has Betrayed the People’: Brexiteers React to Remainer MPs Taking over the Commons

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    What bothers me about all of this, from the American point of view, is that we need allies in re-taking the West. A blocked Brexit is a significant setback. From a more general point of view, this is an extremely delicate moment for Great Britain - if the elites want to spark a popular revolt, this is how you get one.
    Your levity is good, it relieves tension and the fear of death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSearcher View Post
    What bothers me about all of this, from the American point of view, is that we need allies in re-taking the West. A blocked Brexit is a significant setback. From a more general point of view, this is an extremely delicate moment for Great Britain - if the elites want to spark a popular revolt, this is how you get one.
    Hopefully, the people will contain it to the ballot box...but I'm betting a lot of folks went to bed angry tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSearcher View Post
    What bothers me about all of this, from the American point of view, is that we need allies in re-taking the West. A blocked Brexit is a significant setback. From a more general point of view, this is an extremely delicate moment for Great Britain - if the elites want to spark a popular revolt, this is how you get one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalknTrot View Post
    Hopefully, the people will contain it to the ballot box...but I'm betting a lot of folks went to bed angry tonight.
    This is why it's important to disarm the people before pissing them off. You want serfs, not citizens.
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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKCN1VP11T


    NEWSSEPTEMBER 4, 2019 / 5:29 AM / UPDATED 11 MINUTES AGO
    Scottish court rules that PM Johnson's decision to suspend parliament is lawful


    LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament later this month until mid-October is lawful, a Scottish court ruled on Wednesday.

    More than 75 lawmakers had legally challenged Johnson’s right to suspend, or prorogue parliament, arguing it was illegal and unconstitutional because he was seeking to do so in order to force through a no-deal Brexit on Oct. 31 by limiting the opportunity for opponents to object.

    Judge Raymond Doherty said the question was not a matter for the courts and was a political issue which should be judged by parliament and the electorate.

    “In my view, the advice given in relation to the prorogation decision is a matter involving high policy and political judgement,” Doherty told Scotland’s Court of Session.

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    “This is political territory and decision-making which cannot be measured against legal standards and only by political judgements.”

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    Joanna Cherry, a Scottish National Party lawmaker who led the challenge, said they would seek to appeal the decision.

    Johnson announced on Aug. 28 that he would suspend parliament from mid-September to mid-October, shortly before Britain is due to exit the European Union on Oct. 31, to allow the government to announce a new legislative program.

    The Scottish court was told on Tuesday that a memo passed to Johnson two weeks beforehand indicated he was looking to suspend parliament while his aides were publicly denying there were any such plans.

    Reporting by Michael Holden; editing by Costas Pitas

    Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSearcher View Post
    What bothers me about all of this, from the American point of view, is that we need allies in re-taking the West. A blocked Brexit is a significant setback. From a more general point of view, this is an extremely delicate moment for Great Britain - if the elites want to spark a popular revolt, this is how you get one.
    Your grand, Mike Pence is on a charm offensive in rural Ireland, so far the worst the msm has been able to throw at him is that he stayed in Trumps Golf Resort in Doonbeg "Tax payers money being used to make Trump richer"
    The resort is in Doonbeg, Mike Pence's great grandparents are from Doonbeg, Mike Pence used to visit Doonbeg in his younger days,
    Ahh don't get me started, not a day goes by that I don't have to turn the news off

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    I gather that "normally" if a government lost a vote of the type they did last night, they would resign; instead, they fired some of their most popular party members.

    If Boris had resigned (as is normal but not written into law) the Conservatives could have elected another Prime Minister to replace him.

    Now his only options really are an election, it will likely happen sooner or later because without the 20 plus MPs he "fired" he is unlikely to be able to pass legislation and the government either dissolve for an election or the Queen can "invite" both parties to try and come up with another "Minority government."

    Labour doesn't want an election because BoJo can set the date for it, and he could legally set it for after the 31st of October or so close to that date it wouldn't matter who won.




    From RTE
    Johnson challenges opposition to agree to election
    Updated / Wednesday, 4 Sep 2019 12:23

    British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has challenged Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn to agree to an 15 October election, calling a Labour-led plan to try and prevent a no-deal Brexit a "surrender bill".

    "This government will take this country out of the European Union on October 31st, and there is only one thing that stands in our way, it is the 'surrender bill' currently being proposed by the leader of the opposition," Mr Johnson told the House of Commons.

    "Can I invite the leader of the opposition to confirm, when he stands up shortly, that if that surrender bill is passed, he will allow the people of this country to have their view on what he is proposing to hand over in their name, with an election on October the 15th."


    Mr Johnson's Conservative government lost its working majority in parliament last night after one Tory MP crossed the floor to join the Liberal Democrats.

    The Conservative party later expelled 21 MPs for working against the government.

    Former minister, and once Tory leadership contender, Rory Stewart called the decision to throw him out of the party "astonishing" and said it was something "you associate with other countries" rather than Britain.

    He said there were other Tories who had been wanting to block no-deal but were convinced to back the prime minister.

    "There are 30 or 40 MPs who agree with us entirely but didn't vote with us partly because the threat being made here is terrible for people," he said.

    "It is not just that they were threatened with losing their incomes and jobs, but people feel deeply loyal to the Conservative Party, they want to give the Prime Minister a chance, they don't want to bring in a Jeremy Corbyn government.

    Tory rebels and Opposition MPs will attempt to pass a law forcing Mr Johnson to ask the European Union to delay Brexit for three months until 31 January 2020, unless he has a deal approved by parliament beforehand on the terms of the exit.

    Mr Johnson has said he will seek to call a snap general election.

    Mr Johnson cast last night's events as an attempt to surrender to the EU, vowed never to delay Brexit beyond 31 October and said the country needed an election.

    The government has scheduled a vote on an election this evening.

    On Twitter, Mr Johnson criticised Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn, saying his "surrender bill" will mean years of uncertainty.

    Corbyn and his surrender bill would mean years of uncertainty and delay. I am determined to lead this country forward and take Britain out of the EU on October 31st ����

    — Boris Johnson (@BorisJohnson) September 4, 2019
    Labour's Brexit spokesman Keir Starmer said his party would not "dance" to Mr Johnson's tune.

    "It's obvious what he's up to. He wants to intercept this bill having lost control of parliament and stop us finishing the task in hand.

    "We're not going to vote with Boris Johnson today to deprive ourselves of the opportunity to complete the business that we've just seized control of the house to do," he said.

    DUP MP Jeffrey Donaldson said a no-deal Brexit is not entirely off the agenda.

    Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, he said that even though legislation may be passed by parliament, Britain was heading towards an election, which if Mr Johnson wins, he could rescind legislation passed this week.

    Mr Donaldson said that was not a situation anyone wanted, as it was Mr Johnson's aim to leave with a deal, but the opposition were making that more difficult.

    Additional Reporting Reuters
    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/...rexit-cabinet/
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    The best 2 out of 3? or 4 out of 7? If elections don't go the way you want this is the next option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doat View Post
    The best 2 out of 3? or 4 out of 7? If elections don't go the way you want this is the next option.
    Actually it is more the Parliamentary system, in this case, a government-only "stays" in power as long as it can propose legislation and pass it.

    If no one party has a majority, they have to form alliances with smaller parties to create a "majority" that can pass legislation.

    Boris Johnson has not only lost his majority yesterday during his speech (which is when I started this thread) by kicking out the 20 plus MPs he has really "lost" it.

    So he doesn't have a lot of choice but to try and call an election on his terms, or he can wait until he loses a piece of "critical" legislation (I'm not sure how they determine that but last night's vote was supposed to be one) and be forced to call one.

    As it is, if he can get an election now - he can delay it until after BREXIT if he wants, or he can at least try.

    Labour wants an election after they pass a bill forcing a BREXIT delay and BEFORE the 31st of October.
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    All I hear this morning on the radio news is the boys insulting each other in a very British way. Wondering about public reaction.

    Added: Yesterday, listening to Mr. Reese-Mogg, sounded to me like he was prompting/would welcome a vote of no confidence. Has the "ruling party" ever called a vote of no-confidence on their own party? I'm assuming more maneuvering options?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalknTrot View Post
    All I hear this morning on the radio news is the boys insulting each other in a very British way. Wondering about public reaction.
    It is rather amusing and very "British School-boy" (swearing without quite swearing) although Boris did make a headline that he "swore" during his speech by saying the word "sh...t"

    I gather they scream at each other lots in the UK Parliament but swear words are kind of a no-no...
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    Just want to say that Melodi and Plain Jane are doing a fantastic job with the Brexit threads, really a massive effort has gone into them, many of the British newspapers don't copy and paste well, it can take a lot of work just to get them readable.

    Well done gals

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    Thank's Marth we are trying!

    Here is a sample headline from the Daily Mail - I will not even try to clean up the article - you can read it at the link, the headline describes it pretty well.

    Furious Boris Johnson calls Jeremy Corbyn a 'chicken' for BLOCKING a snap election and calls Labour's economic policy 's***' in his first PMQs - as Remainers plot to delay Brexit and stop No Deal in today's Commons showdown

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-election.html
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    And to go with Bublpuff's great image and from the same link as above:

    Boris Johnson:

    At PMQs Boris Johnson branded the Labour leader a 'chlorinated chicken' and said he 'used to be a democrat'
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-election.html
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    I like Rees Mog but the memes are hilarious






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    Only conclusion at this point from across the pond: a parliamentary system is inherently unstable and weak in a crisis. Britain might be better off with a monarch. In jest, but meaning...SOMEBODY - ANYBODY - make a decision that sticks.

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    You're Very Welcome, Marth!

    I have to admit that for this Yank to sort the wheat from the chaff gets a little confusing. Sometimes I end up with corn! : )

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    Well I went to bed before CTH put up the article(s) yesterday so here's the first one.

    Fair use

    Chaos in UK Parliament as Globalists From Both Parties Attempt to Block PM Johnson’s Brexit…
    Posted on September 3, 2019 by sundance

    All of the elitist political masks are dropping today in Great Britain. The UniParty within British Parliament is on full display.

    Globalist members of Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s conservative party crossed lines to vote with the globalists in the Labour party in a scheme to stop the U.K. from leaving the European Union.



    The minority Labour Party, led by Jeremy Corbyn, developed a plan to stop any ‘No Deal’ exit from the EU by passing a law that required the U.K. (PM Johnson) to have a deal with the European Union in order to fulfill the Brexit referendum.

    In order to accomplish this plan the globalists (ie, the ‘Remain’ group) needed support from the Remainers in both parties. Today 21 members of Boris Johnson’s party joined with Jeremy Corbyn to seize control of the House of Commons in a 328 to 301 vote.

    The Remainers next step would be to pass legislation requiring a deal with the EU, which would essentially block Prime Minister Johnson from delivering a No-Deal Brexit.

    Johnson fired back by saying he would demand a SNAP election on October 14th, where voters in the nationalist Brexit party could remove the usurping rebels from his own party. However, to get the snap election would require two-thirds vote to support.


    Corbyn doesn’t want the British people to have a voice in the matter, and will not allow Prime Minister Johnson to have the Snap election…. But Corbyn also doesn’t want the political fallout from blocking democracy, so he’s being obtuse and saying the SNAP election should come after his legislation is constructed to block the no-deal Brexit.

    Overall it is once again a political scheme, run by elitists, to stop the people within Britain from removing politicians who want to remain in the EU. Brexiteers -vs- Globalists.

    If a Snap election were held, Brexit Party Leader Nigel Farage would rally the British people to remove the globalists in both parties. The Snap election would likely wipe-out the Remain/Globalist assembly in both Labour and Conservative parties. This would then force a no-deal Brexit, and Great Britain would finally be out of the EU. So Jeremy Corbyn cannot allow a Snap election until after he can get the “no-deal law” passed.

    (Via Daily Mail) Boris Johnson called for a snap election tonight after he Remainers seized control of Parliament to rule out No Deal Brexit.

    The Prime Minister humiliatingly lost a crunch vote that gives a rebel alliance control of Commons business – with the aim of passing a law to stop the UK crashing out at the end of October.

    The victory for pro-EU MPs – by a huge margin of 328 to 301 – came despite Mr Johnson threatening to end the careers of Tories who joined the revolt by deselecting them.

    Some 21 Conservatives – including eight former Cabinet ministers – took part in the mutiny.

    Senior figures such as Ken Clarke and Philip Hammond face being brutally ejected from the party in what one government source described as a ‘bloodbath’.

    That will leave the government an eye-watering 43 MPs short of a majority, and completely unable to control the House.

    Speaking after the result, Mr Johnson said Parliament was ‘on the brink of wrecking’ the Brexit negotiations.

    ‘The people are going to have to choose,’ he said. ‘I can confirm tonight we are tabling a motion under the Fixed Term Parliaments Act.’

    The motion to trigger a poll will be put to another crucial vote tomorrow night.

    However, the law dictates that two-thirds of the Commons must agree to hold an early election, meaning he needs Opposition support.

    And despite spending years demanding a poll, Jeremy Corbyn said tonight that the No Deal legislation must be passed before a snap poll can happen. (more)
    Analogous:

    The Brexit party is essentially the MAGA coalition.
    The Conservative party is essentially the GOPe Republicans.
    The Labour party is essentially the Democrats.
    What is happening in the U.K. is essentially the same uprising happening all over the globe. Nationalists, the ordinary middle-class (ie. Trump voters), are rising-up and confronting the elitist-minded Globalists.

    In an effort to remain in power, the globalists are furiously working all kinds of schemes to fend-off the nationalists. The schemes, many of them funded by multinationals and lobbyists defending their financial stakes, include uniting with the socialist elite.

    Globalism writ large requires Big Government, central planning, and full control of systems by political elites. Socialism requires exactly the same structure. Through globalism you have multinational corporations, financial elites, making rules for the underclass. Socialism requires the exact same top-down distribution process.

    A few high powered political institutions (think Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren) decide the wealth distribution and sharing processes used to support the masses. They retain power through control at all costs. Within this alignment you see financial elites, globalists in every sense of the word, accepting socialism as a tool to retain corrupt power and influence; and defend against the independent action of lower-class rubes.

    Another very recent example of this surfaced in Italy where Globalist (beholden to the multinational financial interests) Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte’ has now aligned with the far-left Five Star Party socialists, to keep power.

    Donald Trump (U.S.), Nigel Farage (U.K), Matteo Salvini (Italy), Jair Bolsonaro (Brazil) and Shinzo Abe (Japan) are all disrupting agents. Each of them is more nationalist toward their countries economics; and stand adverse to the interests of the multinationals.

    Angela Merkel (Germany), Emmanuel Macron (France), Donald Tusk (EU), Justin Trudeau (Canada), Moon Jae-in (South Korea), Nancy Pelosi (U.S.) and now Giuseppe Conte’ (Italy), all personify the social construct of the elitist world-view. These same globalist outlooks will even align with Communism (Xi Jinping, China) to retain power.

    Individual Freedom -vs- Socialist Authoritarianism.

    Nationalism -vs- Globalism

    Main Street -vs- Wall Street.

    Ultimately it’s all the same fight..

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    Second very short article and I'm bringing it over the EXACT WAY it appears on CTH

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    U.K Report: All Conservative Lawmakers Who Rebelled Against Brexit Kicked Out of Party….
    Posted on September 3, 2019 by sundance

    Righteous !




    LONDON (Reuters) – All 21 lawmakers from the ruling Conservative Party who voted against the government to back a motion to seize control of parliamentary time to try to block a ‘no deal’ Brexit are being kicked out of the party, the BBC’s political editor said on Tuesday, citing government sources.

    The group includes former finance minister Philip Hammond and Nicholas Soames, the grandson of former prime minister Winston Churchill. (Link)
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...-out-of-party/

    Some CTH comments......


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    This is like that scene in Braveheart where William Wallace (Farage), is begging Robert The Bruce (PM Johnson): "for the love of God man, fight for your country"...

    "Fight, damn you. Fight" !

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    WSB says:
    September 3, 2019 at 9:36 pm

    Hot damn!!!! The People’s Coup! There is no reason that President Trump could not kick similar traitors out of the Republican Party. Cut off their money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Electra View Post
    WSB says:
    September 3, 2019 at 9:36 pm

    Hot damn!!!! The People’s Coup! There is no reason that President Trump could not kick similar traitors out of the Republican Party. Cut off their money.
    Now that DOES sound like a plan, doesn't it? Tell all the Fredocons and NeverTrumpers they're no longer Republicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Electra View Post
    There is no reason that President Trump could not kick similar traitors out of the Republican Party.
    Trump has no such power.

    Republicans and democrats are place-holders. You can slot any warm body into any position in either one and accomplish the desired result. The parties are put out there to create what appears to be participatory politics. The sheeple vote for one or the other and root for their team as if it mattered. Meanwhile the movers and shakers make the deals that matter and parcel out the wealth. It's all theater presented to distract us.
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    Boris Johnson Faces Brexit Showdown With Hostile Lawmakers; Lawmakers are set to delay Brexit and reject the prime minister's call for a general election, further raising the political temperature in the U.K.

    Wednesday, September 04, 2019, 9:44 AM ET
    Wall Street Journal
    By Jason Douglas

    LONDON—U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson looks set to face further setbacks in two critical votes in the House of Commons, a day after suffering a serious blow to his Brexit plans at the hands of lawmakers.

    The first vote on Wednesday would require the government to seek a further delay to Brexit if it can't agree on a deal for the U.K.'s exit from the EU , a direct challenge to Mr. Johnson's signature pledge to leave the bloc on October 31 whether or not there is a deal.

    Lawmakers are also expected to reject the prime minister's call for a snap general election within weeks, a gambit from the prime minister aimed at breaking a deadlock over Brexit in Parliament and keeping the U.K. on course for that October 31 departure.

    The likely setbacks to Mr. Johnson's weeks-old premiership would further raise the political temperature in the U.K., where efforts to leave the EU have foundered for three years amid parliamentary splits over how close its future ties to the bloc should be.

    Lawmakers are due to vote on a proposal that would order the prime minister, if he can't agree to a new deal with the EU , to extend the Brexit deadline by three months to avoid an abrupt split on October 31. Brexit has already been twice delayed from the original departure date of March 29.
    .
    The proposal looks set to pass, as it attracts support from opposition parties and the 21 pro-EU lawmakers ejected from the ruling Conservatives on Tuesday night. Their ouster, for rebelling against the government in a vote on Tuesday, means Mr. Johnson no longer commands a majority in the 650-seat House of Commons, the lower house of parliament. . The bill must also pass the House of Lords this week before becoming law.

    In his debut question and answer session with lawmakers on Wednesday, Mr. Johnson labeled the delay proposal a "surrender bill" that, if passed, would hobble his efforts to renegotiate the terms of a withdrawal pact negotiated with the EU by his predecessor , Theresa May . It "would wreck any chance of a deal," Mr. Johnson said, and lead to more "dither and delay" in delivering the result of a 2016 referendum in which Britons voted 52% to 48% to quit the EU .

    Mr. Johnson and his allies repeatedly voted against Mrs. May's deal, ensuring it was rejected by Parliament. The main sticking point was the so-called "backstop" provision in the deal that was meant to avoid the emergence of a physical border in Ireland, but which critics like Mr. Johnson said would keep the U.K. tied to the EU against its will. Since becoming prime minister in July, Mr. Johnson has said the backstop must be abolished.

    Mr. Johnson hopes to draw the sting from defeat on a Brexit extension by persuading lawmakers to hold a snap election on October 15. A convincing victory would allow him to overturn that setback and steer the U.K. back to a departure on October 31.

    But that, too, looks set to fail. Mr. Johnson needs the support of two-thirds of the Commons' members to call a nationwide poll. The main opposition Labour Party have said they won't back an election that would hand Mr. Johnson that opportunity.

    Nonetheless, an election in the next few months is still very much in the cards. In a sign the government is gearing up for an election, U.K. Treasury chief Sajid Javid on Wednesday laid out a suite of voter-friendly spending pledges, including funding to hire an extra 20,000 police officers and cash for schools and hospitals.

    Mr. Javid said progress on eliminating a persistent budget deficit and record-low interest rates mean the treasury can afford to borrow more to finance extra spending on public services and new infrastructure.

    "We can now afford to turn the page on austerity," he said.

    Mr. Javid also announced a £2 billion ($2.4 billion) package to hire border patrol staff and revamp port infrastructure to prepare for the U.K.'s split from the EU .

    Write to Jason Douglas at jason.douglas@wsj.com

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-law...ow-11567602853

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    I do wish it were quite as simple as it is being painted, one reason the UK Parliamentary System (and the Irish for that matter) blunder along as well as they do, without normally descending into total chaos like the Italians is they both have established "traditions" on how to handle different types of crises.

    The most common one being when the party in power can't pass legislation or loses certain types of votes they resign, instead of resigning Boris decided to the previously unthinkable (but not illegal, parties make their own rules) of throwing out those who crossed the line rather than tendering his own resignation.

    Now that that tradition has been broken, almost anything goes that isn't outright banned by legal precedents.

    Which is why no one quite knows what will happen yet and probably why they are all screaming at each other in such amusing but rather childish ways (and I both Corbyn and BoJo, and their henchman).
    expatriate Californian living in rural Ireland with husband, dogs, horses. garden and many, many cats

  39. #79
    If Boris Johnson wants an election, then one tactic to cause one is to engineer a defeat on a money bill which will cause an election. It is treated the same as a vote of no confidence.

    NW

  40. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by northern watch View Post
    If Boris Johnson wants an election, then one tactic to cause one is to engineer a defeat on a money bill which will cause an election. It is treated the same as a vote of no confidence.

    NW
    Last night and today we're supposed to be treated as "votes of no confidence" or that is what Downing Street said last night; but then Boris didn't start with these breaks in tradition, there has never been an attempt in modern times (I gather) for a group of MPs to "take control" of Parliament from the Prime Minister either (that happened last night/today).

    Here is just one twitter comment:

    steve hawkes
    @steve_hawkes
    ·
    1h
    No10 spokesman confirms Boris Johnson will not be resigning . We’re in that territory already
    expatriate Californian living in rural Ireland with husband, dogs, horses. garden and many, many cats

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