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CORP/BIZ Diamond Crisis: De Beers Sales Crash 44% As Demand Plummets
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  1. #41
    I now have a lovely gold band and a diamond ring with one large stone and a number of small ones, they don't tend to make them like this anymore - I inherited them from my Mom when she passed away and my husband was fine with me replacing the cheap ones we got at "rings are us" (our nickname) to use at the Registry Office in Cambridge UK.

    The wedding ring had already broken into pieces and the Engagement Ring from a diamond caught at the "Oyster Stall" on Fisherman's Warf had long since fallen off somewhere and never found(or how Nightwolf proposed I realized I had a diamond ring on the right finger).

    I would not have got out and bought such an old fashioned wedding set but to me, it is a link with my Mother, I don't think Nightwolf even wears one anymore - too much blacksmithing and other hobbies that required him to take it off - it was also from "wedding rings are us" at the Cambridge Mall..
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    I have dabbled in silver and gold since my childhood. Virtually no pawnshops, coin shops or jewellers will give a customer anything for diamonds in a jewellery setting unless thay are close to a half-carat or larger. In the trade, the tiny diamonds in most settings are known as "snot" and are considered to be worthless. Similarly, I never pay anything more for diamonds in jewellery. I'm not trying to rip anyone off: They simply bring no return to me above the gold value. I offer to remove the stones and give them back if a customer wants them. If they don't, I still remove and keep them, but I can't sell them. No jeweller would give me ten cents for most of them. Often, I just give them to neices and nephews as a little novelty gift.

    I'm not a gemologist and even though I've seen a lot of diamonds, I really can't tell the difference between genuine ones and a good CZ. Very few people - to include a lot of jewelers - can. IMHO, diamonds are one of the worst "investments" the average person can make.

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    I love bling in my ears! But my choice is cubic zirconia in nickel settings. If I did own any real diamonds, I wouldn't wear them in public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalknTrot View Post
    Buying diamonds - you may as well set fistfuls of 100 dollar bills afire. There is no worse rip-off than retail diamonds.
    Many years ago I worked as a Loss Prevention manager at a large 200+ department store chain, now long gone (Mervyn's) We sold our diamond jewelry at 900% over our cost.
    I'm off to the coast..

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    Our son just popped the question to his (now) fiancť yesterday. The engagement ring was a beautiful three diamond platinum band one that my wife inherited from her grandmother. She was wealthy and I think my wife described it as one of her “cocktail” rings. I agree, diamonds are a dumb investment. But they can be pretty and if they’re free, even better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double_A View Post
    Many years ago I worked as a Loss Prevention manager at a large 200+ department store chain, now long gone (Mervyn's) We sold our diamond jewelry at 900% over our cost.
    While going to college, I worked receiving at a major department store. Saw all the invoices (with cost to the store) for all of the stock and special order jewelry. Yup. 900% mark-up sounds pretty close. Ridiculous waste of money.

    Recycling family stuff is great, but don't do retail.

    A good friend's son's fiance has insisted on a $15,000.00 ring for their engagement. All I'm thinking is ditch her now.

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    There's a little thrift shop north of me, they stock their shop mainly from estate sales, it's amazing the number of diamond ring sets they have for sale all for less than $400, and this includes the platinum bands. Some of these sets are encrusted with diamonds, meaning diamonds going all the way around both bands with one or three large diamonds in the middle. They have some beautiful stuff.
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    I told my husband "No diamonds" in either engagement or wedding ring. I didn't want anything everyone in the world owned. It was solitaire semi-precious or a band. He came through with sapphire engagement and 1ct red ruby on band.

    He felt the same way about his motorcycles - no Harleys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Electra View Post
    I told my husband "No diamonds" in either engagement or wedding ring. I didn't want anything everyone in the world owned. It was solitaire semi-precious or a band. He came through with sapphire engagement and 1ct red ruby on band.

    He felt the same way about his motorcycles - no Harleys.
    I'd prefer an Indian over a Harley any day of the week.
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    I've loved diamonds (that is for giving to women) but to be honest a walk through Walmart looking at cubic zirconia blows me away...that stuff looks better that a 0-0-0 rated diamond and is cheap as hell...………..

  11. #51
    I've seen a several young couples with tattooed wedding bands recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBreeze View Post
    I still like diamonds. Always have. I'm becoming more leery about wearing them out in public, though. I don't want to draw undue attention to myself, making me a target. I also don't wear them around the house. The rings get in my way of cleaning and gardening.

    Maybe, I should just tuck everything away in my jewelry cabinet. The gold is still worth something if needed.
    Years ago there were armed robbers in this town that would follow women home from the grocery store and rob them in their driveway. When they were caught they said they chose their victims by the size of their diamond rings.

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    I suddenly remembered reading about this Virginia gentleman who grows rings on trees! Came across this YT video showing the fascinating process. Run time about 7 mins.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfwTyEPXJs8





    Here's his Etsy shop ( I'm in no way affiliated with him !! ):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfwTyEPXJs8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbit View Post
    Years ago there were armed robbers in this town that would follow women home from the grocery store and rob them in their driveway. When they were caught they said they chose their victims by the size of their diamond rings.
    Yeah, the world is getting worse by the day, and that's why I'm dressing down as I go about town these days. I have decided not to wear anything but my engagement and wedding rings. No other diamond jewelry will be worn, except, maybe to church. Really, that goes for most of my jewelry. Mostly, I'm concentrating more on just blending in with everyone else by keeping my style simple whether it's clothing or jewelry.
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  15. #55
    There are numerous reasons why diamond demand is plummeting.

    The first is that US rates for first marriage for people born in the 80s and 90s has nearly flat-lined. This near flat-line of the rate has never been seen before. The line graphs for those born in the 70s, 60s, 50s, etc. had people having their first marriage later in life, but the bulk of the population did seem to have at least one first marriage. That just isn't so anymore. We will either see a huge percentage of these folks never, ever married, or we will see a huge spike of people in their late 30s/early 40s marrying.

    Second, money is tight for everyone. Everyone today thinks middle class means to live like how the rich did about three decades and back lived. Vacations, latest cell phones, TVs in vehicles, power everything in cars, fancy homes, TV packages, education, etc. etc., all these extras add up and have refocused disposable spending from jewelry to other categories.

    Third, I'm guessing these lab grown diamonds might be popular if they are that much cheaper. If people want some sort of fancy diamond earrings, they might go for the cheaper options given needing cash to put in other expense categories.

    Quote Originally Posted by kytom View Post
    i read somewhere years ago that almost all of the safety deposit boxes in england, the netherlands and belgium were full of diamonds from debeers. they control almost 90% of the market. there are so many diamonds that if they were all released they would be sold in gum ball machines..
    Many years ago, like 15-20 years back, I remember there was some TV news program (20/20 or Dateline maybe) that was allowed to view a stockpile of diamonds in Russia. They went into a secure facility where the doors are sealed with a wax seal. Armed guards are stationed there as well. They allowed the cameras inside and they had a small room with racks. The racks had sandbag like bags. These bags were filled, so they claimed, with diamonds. They basically said that if the Russian government put all the diamonds they had in storage on the market, it would basically collapse the market.

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    "There Is A Global Crisis" - Israel Diamond Industry Collapses Amid Faltering Demand

    by Tyler Durden
    Sat, 10/19/2019 - 20:30

    Macroeconomic headwinds are developing across the world. At least 90% of all countries are experiencing a slowdown in growth that has stumped central bankers and policymakers. No one at the moment can figure out how to restart the global economy. With the risk of a worldwide trade recession soaring for 2020, if not has already arrived, consumers are pulling back on spending, which has contributed to a collapse in the global diamond industry, something that we've been documenting this year.

    The latest stress in the global diamond industry is emanating from Israel. Ynetnews is saying the country's diamond exports have plunged 22%, a sign that consumer demand from Asia is faltering.

    Trade data showed for the first three quarters of 2019, Israeli exports of diamonds were $2.62 billion, down from $3.32 billion during the same period last year.

    In 3Q19, imports and exports of diamonds by Israel plunged 28% YoY.

    The Times of Israel blamed the downturn on the trade war and social unrest in Hong Kong.

    Yoram Dvash, president of the Israel Diamond Exchange, told Ynetnews:

    "There is a global crisis. The government needs to help out the industry. Everywhere people are helping because they understand that there are difficulties now. Trump's trade war with China and the Hong Kong protests really influence the industry. Hong Kong accounts for about 30% of our exports. The Hong Kong government said that in recent times, the sector that's been damaged the most there has been the jewelry industry."

    Dvash said Hong Kong jewelry shops, which import hundreds of millions of dollars of diamonds from Israel per year, have noticed collapsing demand from mainland China because of the social unrest and economic downturn in the region.

    "Right now, the Chinese government isn't granting visas to Chinese to go to Hong Kong in order to put pressure on business people there and hurt the economy. It's paralyzing the number 2 diamond market in the world," Dvash said.

    A source told Ynetnews that a credit crisis in India involving Indian diamond companies has negatively impacted the global industry.

    Earlier this month, De Beers', one of the largest diamond exploration, diamond mining, and diamond retailing companies in the world, saw a 39% YoY drop in September sales.

    A diamond analyst last month said markets remained oversupplied, resulting in weak global sales.

    "The current malaise in the market is due to oversupply," said Paul Zimnisky, an analyst in New York, who said diamond buyers had too much inventory.

    Spot diamond prices on the IDEX Diamond Index shows how oversupplied conditions have weighed down prices in the last 8 months.

    Source: Bloomberg

    And while diamonds are supposed to "a girl's best friend", recent months have seen gold the preferred shiny thing of choice...

    Source: Bloomberg

    Shares in Signet, the world's largest retailer of diamond jewelry, have crashed 89% in the last four years.

    It appears a diamond crisis is unfolding, and this is what usually happens right before a global recession, a sign that the consumer can no longer power the global economy. Turmoil is ahead.


    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/th...=zh_newsletter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiana MaJo View Post

    And while diamonds are supposed to "a girl's best friend", recent months have seen gold the preferred shiny thing of choice...

    Source: Bloomberg

    Shares in Signet, the world's largest retailer of diamond jewelry, have crashed 89% in the last four years.

    It appears a diamond crisis is unfolding, and this is what usually happens right before a global recession, a sign that the consumer can no longer power the global economy. Turmoil is ahead.


    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/th...=zh_newsletter
    there's no global slow down, gold holds it's value, diamonds are worth nothing. It's simple economics. Diamonds are also out of fashion right now with stones that are sustainbly mind over stones where slave labor is used to procure, like diamonds. Another words a lot of women are developing a conscience.
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    I never understood the draw of jewelry of any kind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarok View Post
    I never understood the draw of jewelry of any kind?
    Humans have enjoyed embellishing their bodies since the dawn of time!
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    I like old handcrafted stuff passed down through the years, not into commercial stuff at all.


    My folks are Arizona natives and have a pretty good assortment of hand crafted Navajo jewelry, hammered copper, silver from coins, turquoise and other rare gems.
    I like that stuff a lot more than commercialized crap.

    Unfortunately where I live now anything handcrafted is old hippy stuff, don't like. I did buy some handcrafted Hawaiian stuff that isn't imported from Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KFhunter View Post
    I like old handcrafted stuff passed down through the years, not into commercial stuff at all.


    My folks are Arizona natives and have a pretty good assortment of hand crafted Navajo jewelry, hammered copper, silver from coins, turquoise and other rare gems.
    I like that stuff a lot more than commercialized crap.

    Unfortunately where I live now anything handcrafted is old hippy stuff, don't like. I did buy some handcrafted Hawaiian stuff that isn't imported from Asia.
    Check out Colorado Silver's online store. I make my own and am now getting into doing hammered copper and silver. I have a few tools left to get, this week I'm making myself a leather shot bag and leather sandbag for chasing silver and copper, need to buy a piece of steel and order a pitch box for the rest of the stuff. OC has a bench vice for me and a piece of railroad iron that I can pound stuff on as well. I have a few silver smithing tools I'd like to pick up along the way as well but they're not critical right now for what I'm doing.
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarok View Post
    I never understood the draw of jewelry of any kind?
    Quote Originally Posted by packyderms_wife View Post
    Humans have enjoyed embellishing their bodies since the dawn of time!
    Not only does it serve to show identity, and place within a society, a fair number find reports that gems act upon the physical body in x, y, or z fashion credible. I wont be scoffing at that idea either. What exactly are crystals doing, afterall?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jward View Post
    Not only does it serve to show identity, and place within a society, a fair number find reports that gems act upon the physical body in x, y, or z fashion credible. I wont be scoffing at that idea either. What exactly are crystals doing, afterall?
    No crystals here, only blue diamonds, sapphires, turquoise, silver and copper. I had my third chakra closed and for good reason. Crystals bring in all sorts of energy that may not be good.
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    very first thing I thought of when I read Diamonds,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrYB-ZvIuPE

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    Quote Originally Posted by packyderms_wife View Post
    No crystals here, only blue diamonds, sapphires, turquoise, silver and copper. I had my third chakra closed and for good reason. Crystals bring in all sorts of energy that may not be good.
    I was thinking crystals were used in radios.. can't recall placement or purpose of that chakra...but the comment is intriguing, ill keep my eyes open for any elaboration you share.

    Your tool discussion was also intriguing, and I look fwd to poking around and seeing what you're creating.
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    I think they are also just falling out of fashion as "marriage markers" in favor of other things - rings are still popular but I think a lot of people realize that diamonds are pretty, they can even be stunning in the hands of a good jeweler, but they are not nearly as valuable as the diamond cartels made people think.

    My first engagement ring was from a "find a pearl in the oyster" booth Nightwolf tricked me into playing and then had the diamond put in a ring and put it on the correct engagement finger - the booth had a bottle of champaign, I gather this happens quite often. I didn't realize I was even engaged until the bottle came out lol!

    But it was a very tiny diamond in a rather bulky ring, it ultimately got lost because I had to constantly take it off at work - it wasn't that I didn't care, it was just I didn't get smart and put it on a chain fast enough.

    My wedding band cost about 10 pounds sterling at "Wedding Rings are Us" in the Cambridge Mall, we couldn't find anything else in the 48 hours we had to find something and I wanted a ring I could wear most of the time.

    It fell apart a few years ago and then I found my Mom's 1950's gold and diamond set with both rings, so I wear those. The wedding band is a lovely plain gold band, the engagement ring has six tiny diamonds and one larger one - it is set above the others but not extremely high so it doesn't get in my way.

    My Mom gave them to me in case I needed them, she was a widow and didn't feel she needed them anymore and my sister wasn't interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kytom View Post
    i read somewhere years ago that almost all of the safety deposit boxes in england, the netherlands and belgium were full of diamonds from debeers. they control almost 90% of the market. there are so many diamonds that if they were all released they would be sold in gum ball machines..
    Pretty accurate. They have been withholding diamonds from the market to push up prices for over a century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotto View Post
    Who gives a rat's patoot about diamond rings anymore? Yeah it was a tradition for a long time, but now it's out-dated, over-priced and beyond stupid.

    I think we all know that they aren't the slightest bit rare any longer, and a cubic zirconia looks just as good on a ring as an over-priced diamond. People have wasted their money on diamonds for long enough.
    Question: is the Zirconia the same as lab grown?

    From what I understood Zirconia was not the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meemur View Post
    I love bling in my ears! But my choice is cubic zirconia in nickel settings. If I did own any real diamonds, I wouldn't wear them in public.
    The difference is that cubic zirconia is not a diamond. The lab grown diamonds are real diamonds. The lab grown is becoming the market these days. I got this from Clark Howard.

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    There are untold numbers of carats of diamonds languishing in showcases everywhere simply because they are cut in a style that is no longer "modern" or "popular." I refer to my own favorite cut, though I don't much care for diamonds, the Old European Cut.

    See the description and photos at
    https://4cs.gia.edu/en-us/blog/old-mine-cut-diamond/


    -- https://img0.etsystatic.com/126/0/11...48130_r60p.jpg

    They are easy to distinguish because the culet (point at the bottom of the stone) is cut off and appears as a dark circle when you look down through the stone from the table (flat cut on top of the stone).

    Old European Cut diamonds have fewer but larger facets than modern Brilliant or Tiffany cut stones, and to my eye are much prettier and more 'talkative' than newer styles. They are usually much less expensive as well, if that matters. DW wears her mother's engagement ring, a .70 carat, very nice color and clarity stone. Appraisal from a trusted source when she inherited it? $300 ...
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    That looks just like my Mom's ring that I'm wearing (the central diamond) I like it too!
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  32. #72
    I love diamonds and all things that sparkle!
    Rubies, Tanzanite, Peeidot, and GOLD!

    I make 14k rose gold filled jewelry and would love love to learn using genuine gemstones....but hey, who am I kidding $$$$ .... I wish (!!) I could use real diamonds!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    There are untold numbers of carats of diamonds languishing in showcases everywhere simply because they are cut in a style that is no longer "modern" or "popular." I refer to my own favorite cut, though I don't much care for diamonds, the Old European Cut.

    See the description and photos at
    https://4cs.gia.edu/en-us/blog/old-mine-cut-diamond/


    -- https://img0.etsystatic.com/126/0/11...48130_r60p.jpg

    They are easy to distinguish because the culet (point at the bottom of the stone) is cut off and appears as a dark circle when you look down through the stone from the table (flat cut on top of the stone).

    Old European Cut diamonds have fewer but larger facets than modern Brilliant or Tiffany cut stones, and to my eye are much prettier and more 'talkative' than newer styles. They are usually much less expensive as well, if that matters. DW wears her mother's engagement ring, a .70 carat, very nice color and clarity stone. Appraisal from a trusted source when she inherited it? $300 ...
    Interesting this is what my blue diamonds look like cut wise! OC chose the diamonds and they are beautiful!
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    Quote Originally Posted by psychgirl View Post
    I love diamonds and all things that sparkle!
    Rubies, Tanzanite, Peeidot, and GOLD!

    I make 14k rose gold filled jewelry and would love love to learn using genuine gemstones....but hey, who am I kidding $$$$ .... I wish (!!) I could use real diamonds!

    You can find diamond rings around here for cheap, most pawn shops have them for cheap as well. IIRC there was a member here buying them up for the silver and gold to meltdown and he had a large box filled with hundreds of diamonds.
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packyderms_wife View Post
    You can find diamond rings around here for cheap, most pawn shops have them for cheap as well. IIRC there was a member here buying them up for the silver and gold to meltdown and he had a large box filled with hundreds of diamonds.
    I just swooned.
    Lol.
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    OBTW, for new jewelry buyers, STAY AWAY from platinum. It is difficult to find a place that can work on it/size/repair it, because its melting temperature is so high (over 3000 degrees F).

    Gold on the other hand melts at 1943 degrees F.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    OBTW, for new jewelry buyers, STAY AWAY from platinum. It is difficult to find a place that can work on it/size/repair it, because its melting temperature is so high (over 3000 degrees F).

    Gold on the other hand melts at 1943 degrees F.

    And this is exactly why I haven't worn my wedding band for over ten years, I gained weight and getting it stretched is one thing but getting it reduced is an entirely different beast and very few jewelers know how to work with the material. It doesn't help that it's carved.
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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