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    3 Kurt Schlichter: Trump Is Unlikely To Commit Political Suicide by Betraying Us On Guns

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    Trump Is Unlikely To Commit Political Suicide by Betraying Us On Guns

    Kurt Schlichter
    Posted: Aug 12, 2019 12:01 AM


    Donald Trump is a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them. Like all of us, he is understandably horrified by the murder sprees of that progressive environmental eugenics weirdo and that member of Big Chief Warren’s tribe.* But Trump is also keenly aware that any betrayal of his supporters on a literally life or death issue like guns – if you’ve been listening to the left you have a good idea what miserable fate awaits you if you get disarmed and they take power – will result in his wholesale abandonment by his supporters. No, his base probably won’t go vote for the furry, or Doxxy Castro’s brother, or Gaffe-y McOldenheimer. His base will just stay home. Trump will lose, the GOP will lose the Senate, and the left will take over. And bad things will happen to the liberal elite’s enemies, not least of all to Trump and his family.

    Trump understands this. And he understands that the media is trying to get him to alienate his own supporters. But so far, he has never stuck us in the back even after the garbage media eagerly reports on his conciliatory talk on subjects near and dear to us in the hopes that it means a betrayal is incoming. It never has been in the past.

    There’s no reason to believe he would sell us out now.

    We would not forgive him. To go left on guns would be, at a minimum, political suicide.

    Look, it’s right to be suspicious of all politicians, including Donald Trump. After all, we conservatives have been betrayed by our alleged leaders so often that Felonia Milhous von Pantsuits feels sorry for us over how often we’ve been cheated on by GOP pols cavorting with the Dems.

    For years, our so-called champions rolled-over, gave-in and backstabbed us so consistently that, in deep desperation, we picked a New York reality TV star as the last, best hope for conservatism. And he’s delivered – most of those cruise-shilling hacks who lied to us for so long are either out of office, pretending to conform for fear of our vengeance, or are writing for whatever unread cheesy blog replaced the Weekly Standard.

    Trump has always come through in the end, but on the way, his unique tactics can make us nervous. We worried that Trump was going to let them pull the amnesty wool over his eyes to get some kind of deal. That did not happen. People fretted that he would give away the farm to the pudgy Korean dictator. Trump has not. Trump’s style is to talk in a conciliatory manner and to speak nicely of his opponents during negotiations, but not to take a crummy deal.

    The same is likely true now on guns. Trump is talking in a conciliatory way as a prelude to negotiations. But Trump has not said he would embrace a ban on so-called “assault weapons” – he understands that if he does so he might as well call a moving van. Nor did Cocaine Mitch – the Murder Turtle (his enemies bestow the greatest nicknames upon him) only observed that it would be “front and center” in the debate because that’s where the Democrats seeking to disarm us would put it. McConnell knows a sellout on guns makes him the minority leader; he’s not going to let those socialist creeps take our AR-15s.

    Trump did mention improved background checks, and frankly, there is room for improvement. How many times have government incompetence let some leftist freak* who should have been barred by a conviction or mental instability buy a gun? Way too many. As for “red flag” laws, the idea of a process where a guy announcing his intent to go on a murder spree to, say, promote the Bernie Sanders agenda by attacking a baseball field full of Republicans,* is sensible in theory. But in practice, the due process considerations are essential – I mean serious due process guarantees, with teeth. Leftists have already promised to abuse these laws, so massive penalties for misuse of them to persecute political opponents must be part of the mix.

    But any move toward the Democrat position that our basic gun rights are negotiable or that we can be disarmed in any way would be utterly unacceptable. And Trump knows this – he knows what we will and will not tolerate. He’s certainly not like the Fredocon GOP goofs who get MSNBC hits because they are eager to submit to the media’s narrative. He’s too smart to do exactly what the Democrats are using this furor to try to trick him into doing – create a rift between him and his base so one of the 272 pinko morons running for the Donkey nom can sneak in and win an election that right now is Trump’s to lose.

    Trump does not want to lose.

    And Trump knows he had better not lose because of his fate and the fate of his family are at stake. You have heard the leftists – they want him and his family jailed, literally. They’ve said it, again and again, and when people say they wish you harm you should probably believe them. Do you think, in light of the RUSSIA TREASON COLLUSION EMOULUMENTS nonsense we’ve endured for three years, that something like the lack of any actual crimes would stop them from prosecuting Donald, Don. Jr., Ivanka, Eric and probably Barron if they had control of the DoJ once again? My pet unicorn Chet does, but no one else buys that jive. And remember what New York tried to do to Paul Manafort. If he wasn’t dead, you could ask Jeffrey Epstein how being in prison while also being a threat to the liberal elite turns out.

    Trump needs to stand firm in the face of a bogus panic initiated by the acts of leftist monsters.* And he almost certainly will. He’s literally got everything to lose.

    * At the request of the left, the stupid liberal new rule that assigns the blame for the acts of criminal freaks to opposing politicians based upon a cursory and bad faith comparison of their politics is, unfortunately, in effect. I prefer the old rule, where a criminal is responsible for his own actions, but liberals feel differently and so the new rules are the new rules and the liberals can choke on them.

    For a look at what happens if Trump allows himself to get rolled and loses the election by sucking up to his enemies, check out my action-packed yet hilarious novels about the United States’ split into red and blue countries, People's Republic, Indian Country and Wildfire. These liberal-infuriating books have been called “Appalling” and have earned the hatred of leftists geebos and their vinyl-clad fake con minions who sank the Weekly Standard. There is no better blurb!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thompson View Post
    https://townhall.com/columnists/kurt...-guns-n2551496


    Trump Is Unlikely To Commit Political Suicide by Betraying Us On Guns

    Kurt Schlichter
    Posted: Aug 12, 2019 12:01 AM


    Donald Trump is a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them. Like all of us, he is understandably horrified by the murder sprees of that progressive environmental eugenics weirdo and that member of Big Chief Warren’s tribe.* But Trump is also keenly aware that any betrayal of his supporters on a literally life or death issue like guns – if you’ve been listening to the left you have a good idea what miserable fate awaits you if you get disarmed and they take power – will result in his wholesale abandonment by his supporters. No, his base probably won’t go vote for the furry, or Doxxy Castro’s brother, or Gaffe-y McOldenheimer. His base will just stay home. Trump will lose, the GOP will lose the Senate, and the left will take over. And bad things will happen to the liberal elite’s enemies, not least of all to Trump and his family.

    Trump understands this. And he understands that the media is trying to get him to alienate his own supporters. But so far, he has never stuck us in the back even after the garbage media eagerly reports on his conciliatory talk on subjects near and dear to us in the hopes that it means a betrayal is incoming. It never has been in the past.

    There’s no reason to believe he would sell us out now.

    We would not forgive him. To go left on guns would be, at a minimum, political suicide.

    Look, it’s right to be suspicious of all politicians, including Donald Trump. After all, we conservatives have been betrayed by our alleged leaders so often that Felonia Milhous von Pantsuits feels sorry for us over how often we’ve been cheated on by GOP pols cavorting with the Dems.

    For years, our so-called champions rolled-over, gave-in and backstabbed us so consistently that, in deep desperation, we picked a New York reality TV star as the last, best hope for conservatism. And he’s delivered – most of those cruise-shilling hacks who lied to us for so long are either out of office, pretending to conform for fear of our vengeance, or are writing for whatever unread cheesy blog replaced the Weekly Standard.

    Trump has always come through in the end, but on the way, his unique tactics can make us nervous. We worried that Trump was going to let them pull the amnesty wool over his eyes to get some kind of deal. That did not happen. People fretted that he would give away the farm to the pudgy Korean dictator. Trump has not. Trump’s style is to talk in a conciliatory manner and to speak nicely of his opponents during negotiations, but not to take a crummy deal.

    The same is likely true now on guns. Trump is talking in a conciliatory way as a prelude to negotiations. But Trump has not said he would embrace a ban on so-called “assault weapons” – he understands that if he does so he might as well call a moving van. Nor did Cocaine Mitch – the Murder Turtle (his enemies bestow the greatest nicknames upon him) only observed that it would be “front and center” in the debate because that’s where the Democrats seeking to disarm us would put it. McConnell knows a sellout on guns makes him the minority leader; he’s not going to let those socialist creeps take our AR-15s.

    Trump did mention improved background checks, and frankly, there is room for improvement. How many times have government incompetence let some leftist freak* who should have been barred by a conviction or mental instability buy a gun? Way too many. As for “red flag” laws, the idea of a process where a guy announcing his intent to go on a murder spree to, say, promote the Bernie Sanders agenda by attacking a baseball field full of Republicans,* is sensible in theory. But in practice, the due process considerations are essential – I mean serious due process guarantees, with teeth. Leftists have already promised to abuse these laws, so massive penalties for misuse of them to persecute political opponents must be part of the mix.

    But any move toward the Democrat position that our basic gun rights are negotiable or that we can be disarmed in any way would be utterly unacceptable. And Trump knows this – he knows what we will and will not tolerate. He’s certainly not like the Fredocon GOP goofs who get MSNBC hits because they are eager to submit to the media’s narrative. He’s too smart to do exactly what the Democrats are using this furor to try to trick him into doing – create a rift between him and his base so one of the 272 pinko morons running for the Donkey nom can sneak in and win an election that right now is Trump’s to lose.

    Trump does not want to lose.

    And Trump knows he had better not lose because of his fate and the fate of his family are at stake. You have heard the leftists – they want him and his family jailed, literally. They’ve said it, again and again, and when people say they wish you harm you should probably believe them. Do you think, in light of the RUSSIA TREASON COLLUSION EMOULUMENTS nonsense we’ve endured for three years, that something like the lack of any actual crimes would stop them from prosecuting Donald, Don. Jr., Ivanka, Eric and probably Barron if they had control of the DoJ once again? My pet unicorn Chet does, but no one else buys that jive. And remember what New York tried to do to Paul Manafort. If he wasn’t dead, you could ask Jeffrey Epstein how being in prison while also being a threat to the liberal elite turns out.

    Trump needs to stand firm in the face of a bogus panic initiated by the acts of leftist monsters.* And he almost certainly will. He’s literally got everything to lose.

    * At the request of the left, the stupid liberal new rule that assigns the blame for the acts of criminal freaks to opposing politicians based upon a cursory and bad faith comparison of their politics is, unfortunately, in effect. I prefer the old rule, where a criminal is responsible for his own actions, but liberals feel differently and so the new rules are the new rules and the liberals can choke on them.

    For a look at what happens if Trump allows himself to get rolled and loses the election by sucking up to his enemies, check out my action-packed yet hilarious novels about the United States’ split into red and blue countries, People's Republic, Indian Country and Wildfire. These liberal-infuriating books have been called “Appalling” and have earned the hatred of leftists geebos and their vinyl-clad fake con minions who sank the Weekly Standard. There is no better blurb!
    NOT ONE MORE INCH!

    He is talking about universal background checks here. No private, face to face sales between individuals without the feds being a part of it. NO!

    This Schlichter guy may think this is fine but most gun owners do not.

    NOT ONE MORE FREAKING INCH!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunny225 View Post
    NOT ONE MORE INCH!

    He is talking about universal background checks here. No private, face to face sales between individuals without the feds being a part of it. NO!

    This Schlichter guy may think this is fine but most gun owners do not.

    NOT ONE MORE FREAKING INCH!!
    Why would you presume to speak for "most" gun owners?
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    You don't hear much coming out from the Demoncrats right now (Piglosi). They are sitting back and watching Trump commit political suicide if he goes through with what he says. Because yes, if he goes through with what he talked about, we very well might be having President Pocahontas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompson View Post
    Why would you presume to speak for "most" gun owners?
    I don't 'presume' to speak for most gun owners. If you will go to the gun forums and blogs, you will see what gun owners - I am one of those - think about this stupidity that they call background checks.
    Do you think they are A-ok??
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    Cognitive dissonance + trump's promises = buy now and don't wait for the professional politicians lies (trump is irrefutably in this description) to leave your sorry butt in the disarmed cold.

    Or wait for q and the trumpbot lies to come thru.

    lol.

    It's just simple math in the end....

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    No, his base probably won’t go vote for the furry, or Doxxy Castro’s brother, or Gaffe-y McOldenheimer. His base will just stay home.
    This describes me to a 'T'.

    I'm glad that Trump won. I voted for him. I'm not a Trump-bot and I don't agree with everything he's done but overall I'm satisfied.

    However if he goes Dim on my guns I'll stay home in 2020.
    I don't want to. I'm not going to. You can't make me. I'm retired!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elza View Post
    This describes me to a 'T'.

    I'm glad that Trump won. I voted for him. I'm not a Trump-bot and I don't agree with everything he's done but overall I'm satisfied.

    However if he goes Dim on my guns I'll stay home in 2020.
    Barring an alternative candidate that offers a rational platform I am afraid this may be my response as well. He would do well to learn from Bush's mistake.

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    Don't give the socialists even a 1/4 inch....NOTHING!!! No Red Flag law(s). How does it go?.... If you bargain your freedom for security, you'll end up with neither.

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    I wouldn't put it past Trump to do gun control during his second term.

    He does what he believes is right.. (whether it is or isn't)
    WARNING!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompson View Post
    Why would you presume to speak for "most" gun owners?
    It goes beyond just guns.

    How does one implement a "universal background check" without violating HIPPA? As it stands, NCIC has access to various mental health records, are we just going to give LEA's the key to the filing cabinet? Government can't even keep it's own personnel records safe, somehow allowing an ever expanding NCIC to collect even more data is suppose to keep us safe? All the while it's just ripe for abuse and exterior intrusion.

    Do we really want the government regulating private sales? Do you really think they'll stop at just trying to regulate private firearm sales?

    The government is digging tunnels at two ends here, eventually they'll meet and we'll all fall into the pit.

    I can see it now, sweeping new laws establishing universal background checks, mental health screening, ect... for firearms purchases, as the government justifies the use of it's ever expanding surveillance and intelligence community databases in preforming those "universal background checks".

    Nothing like a little mission creep, to go along nicely with the of chilling of your "inalienable rights".

    Governmental authority on evry level with access to the most extensive and comprehensive databases ever established were more than aware of the danger signs and ever increasing violent tendencies of individuals like Cruz, Kelley, Mateen, Holmes, ect... but, nothing was ever done. The Air Force couldn't even be bothered to transmit the personnel records of dishonorably discharged personnel to NCIC and the FBI couldn't be bothered to followed up, as protocol demands, on consecutive calls over a possible future school shooter. Shit, they couldn't even keep tabs on a guy who was on the terror watch list.

    Yet, somehow giving these clowns MORE power will just fix it all fine and dandy.

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    These slithering leftist have a plan

    They have many smart friends oversea’s to help.

    Over the last 5-10 years they have been putting the pieces in place.

    Why all of the sudden are Dr’s always putting in questions about have you ever felt sad? Ever felt worried? For kids have you ever felt unsafe?

    For vets the VA so wants you to have emotional problems in exchange for easier benefits.

    The talk in the media is really pushing “red flags”

    To them a red flag is you stand for the national anthem. You think we shouldn’t just let anyone come into our country to get free stuff or escape the destroyed economy they elected to get free stuff from their last country. Or, shock, you voted for Bad evil orange man.

    They will use the I sometimes feel sad answer on a med form or your kid checking I sometimes don’t feel safe as the pretext to remove your rights by force.

    It’s always by force and it is what the wacky left who run dnc are demanding.

    First they demonize, then the prevent your self defense and self determination...

    And then we all live in their socialist utopia.

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    Trump got in front of it, grabbed it, and drained the wind from the dem's sails. Had he not done this he could have kissed 2020 goodbye.


    Quote Originally Posted by desert_fox View Post
    You don't hear much coming out from the Demoncrats right now (Piglosi). They are sitting back and watching Trump commit political suicide if he goes through with what he says. Because yes, if he goes through with what he talked about, we very well might be having President Pocahontas.

    Exactly!

    He's drained the wind from their sails, they're silent and he's going to bleed the wind for as long as he can before he comes back to his base. The racist thing isn't playing very well among moderates, but gun control def would if the dems owned it, so don't let the dems own it!

    I think its brilliant and would have done the same, sure piss off the base and sell a few more guns and ammo in the short term, but by the time the voting ballots hit the mail boxes it'll be forgotten and he'll be a huge 2A supporter again and NRA will laud his staunch support of the 2nd amendment.

    mark my words

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squid View Post
    They have many smart friends oversea’s to help.

    Over the last 5-10 years they have been putting the pieces in place.

    Why all of the sudden are Dr’s always putting in questions about have you ever felt sad? Ever felt worried? For kids have you ever felt unsafe?

    For vets the VA so wants you to have emotional problems in exchange for easier benefits.

    The talk in the media is really pushing “red flags”

    To them a red flag is you stand for the national anthem. You think we shouldn’t just let anyone come into our country to get free stuff or escape the destroyed economy they elected to get free stuff from their last country. Or, shock, you voted for Bad evil orange man.

    They will use the I sometimes feel sad answer on a med form or your kid checking I sometimes don’t feel safe as the pretext to remove your rights by force.

    It’s always by force and it is what the wacky left who run dnc are demanding.

    First they demonize, then the prevent your self defense and self determination...

    And then we all live in their socialist utopia.
    check__ if you believe in 2A you must be mentally off and require a doctors consultation. Wait and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KFhunter View Post
    Trump got in front of it, grabbed it, and drained the wind from the dem's sails. Had he not done this he could have kissed 2020 goodbye.





    Exactly!

    He's drained the wind from their sails, they're silent and he's going to bleed the wind for as long as he can before he comes back to his base. The racist thing isn't playing very well among moderates, but gun control def would if the dems owned it, so don't let the dems own it!

    I think its brilliant and would have done the same, sure piss off the base and sell a few more guns and ammo in the short term, but by the time the voting ballots hit the mail boxes it'll be forgotten and he'll be a huge 2A supporter again and NRA will laud his staunch support of the 2nd amendment.

    mark my words
    Ummmm.I'm not sure what news you have been watching but trump is the one leading the charge for red flag laws in particular, and for 'enhanced strong background checks' which uniparty left sees as meaning universal background checks.

    trump is also the one that said after one of the shootings that guns should be grabbed from those uncle sugar deems dangerous and that pesky due process bs sorted out later.

    trump chummed the gun control waters.

    That is the same trump btw that unilaterally via executive order (completely illegally and unconstitutionally) banned bump stocks.

    Let me post the following (the first of which is old enough I would have thought truth seekers would have posted it here already. I guess the blow back from the trumpbots was too feared.)

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    Graham: ‘I’ve Never Seen’ Trump as Determined as He Is on Red Flag Laws, Background Checks

    On Monday’s broadcast of the Fox News Channel’s “The Story,” Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-SC) stated that he has never seen President Trump as determined as he is to ensure law enforcement can act before people who have mental health issues before they use a firearm to hurt someone and enhance background checks.

    Graham said, “I think there’s a determination by the president to act this time to create a grant program at the federal level to help local law enforcement to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people. … I’ve never seen the president this determined, quite frankly. I think he’s determined to do two things: to make sure that people who are suffering mental health problems, who are dangerous and — to themselves and others, that we act before they use the gun, and that we enhance background checks in a way that makes common sense. I think there’s bipartisan support for this.”

    https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019...ground-checks/

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    Report: Ivanka Trump Calling Congressional Members About Gun Control

    Ivanka Trump is reportedly calling members of Congress to feel out various gun control proposals and to figure out what needs to be done in order to get them passed.

    Axios reports that Ivanka “has quietly been calling lawmakers since the El Paso and Dayton massacres to gauge their openness to movement on gun legislation when Congress returns.”

    These calls reportedly included a conversation with Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV), who is preparing to reintroduce the universal background check bill he and Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA) pushed after the Sandy Hook Elementary School attack.

    One of Manchin’s aides told Axios, “[Ivanka] was trying to get a sense of what bills are out there. She had him explain how they drafted the bill, where it stands and what changes needed to be made in order for it to pass.”

    The Washington Post reported Manchin saying Trump called him August 5 and “the two spoke again on [August 6], when Trump said he wanted legislation before September, when the Senate is scheduled to return.”

    Sen. Toomey, the co-sponsor of Manchin’s gun control bill, indicated he spoke “with the president at least three times” between the August 3 shootings and August 8.

    On August 8, 2019, Breitbart News reported Sen. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) indicating universal background checks would “lead the discussion” when the Senate reconvenes. McConnell also said an “assault weapons” ban would be “front and center.”

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...t-gun-control/

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    I would say, with a fair bit of certainty, that trump's promises to protect gun rights are about as solid as draining the swamp, stop being the world's cop and ending the forever wars, stopping profligate spending, sealing the border and deporting the illegals, and once and for all eliminating 0care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weps View Post
    It goes beyond just guns.

    How does one implement a "universal background check" without violating HIPPA? As it stands, NCIC has access to various mental health records, are we just going to give LEA's the key to the filing cabinet? Government can't even keep it's own personnel records safe, somehow allowing an ever expanding NCIC to collect even more data is suppose to keep us safe? All the while it's just ripe for abuse and exterior intrusion.

    Do we really want the government regulating private sales? Do you really think they'll stop at just trying to regulate private firearm sales?

    The government is digging tunnels at two ends here, eventually they'll meet and we'll all fall into the pit.

    I can see it now, sweeping new laws establishing universal background checks, mental health screening, ect... for firearms purchases, as the government justifies the use of it's ever expanding surveillance and intelligence community databases in preforming those "universal background checks".

    Nothing like a little mission creep, to go along nicely with the of chilling of your "inalienable rights".

    Governmental authority on evry level with access to the most extensive and comprehensive databases ever established were more than aware of the danger signs and ever increasing violent tendencies of individuals like Cruz, Kelley, Mateen, Holmes, ect... but, nothing was ever done. The Air Force couldn't even be bothered to transmit the personnel records of dishonorably discharged personnel to NCIC and the FBI couldn't be bothered to followed up, as protocol demands, on consecutive calls over a possible future school shooter. Shit, they couldn't even keep tabs on a guy who was on the terror watch list.

    Yet, somehow giving these clowns MORE power will just fix it all fine and dandy.
    Folks, there it is, in a nutshell!! Almost every one of these murdering slime were known by SOMEBODY to be not quite right, yet nothing was done about it. Information that is supposed to be put into the database isn't put in. They tell us "if you see something say something" Ok...well if we SAY something, DO something!!

    In the real world, nothing is perfect. People are going to slip through the cracks. We're not supposed to drive drunk, but how many people DO drive drunk and hit somebody and kill them. Nobody I know of is calling for banning cars because of it. You're not supposed to be able to get a job in the US if you are an illegal alien, yet it happens all the time. Nothing is done about it except the occasional raid. The most stringent firearms laws can be in place, to supposedly DO something about mass murderers, yet those laws will not stop those determined to kill. It's the real world.

    What this is? is an agenda. That agenda is to disarm us. It's out in the open now. Finally out there in the light of day for all to see. They are blatant and in your face about it.

    Which is why the President can NOT go "wobbly" on us now. Those who want to see him fail, seize on any stray word he says, and think it's gospel. In my opinion it's a fault of his that goes back to his businessman days. Throw a lot of stuff out there to dazzle em and then get what you really want. Unfortunately, he's dealing with a rabid press who will take anything he says and twist it sideways.

    Mr President, you've said you have our backs. You need to be blunt and direct on this issue as to where you stand and show the other side that you have our backs. Show in deeds, not words that you have our backs. You have no problem in being blunt and direct when you want to. This is one of those times that you MUST. If your base and others who are on the fence about you, think you are going to cave on the Second Amendment, they WILL sit this one out, hunker down and deal with whatever comes after the election.

    Look pal, I figure it this way. I wake up every morning, until one day I DON'T. THAT is pre-ordained. If i have to deal with a shitestorm because of you suddenly going soft, then I wlll, until one day. I won't because my time here is up. If that time is shortened because of you suddenly getting an attack of the "lets all get along bug" that is really going to piss me off but I'll deal with it. Get your shite together Mr President. I support you, but part of that deal is that you support US! It's time to put the gun grabbers in their place once and for all, oh and one more thing, it's PAST time for perp walks..

    Get on it
    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria. As true NOW as it was true THEN!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KFhunter View Post
    Trump got in front of it, grabbed it, and drained the wind from the dem's sails. Had he not done this he could have kissed 2020 goodbye.





    Exactly!

    He's drained the wind from their sails, they're silent and he's going to bleed the wind for as long as he can before he comes back to his base. The racist thing isn't playing very well among moderates, but gun control def would if the dems owned it, so don't let the dems own it!

    I think its brilliant and would have done the same, sure piss off the base and sell a few more guns and ammo in the short term, but by the time the voting ballots hit the mail boxes it'll be forgotten and he'll be a huge 2A supporter again and NRA will laud his staunch support of the 2nd amendment.

    mark my words
    Is that why Ivanka was in Congress yesterday begging for red flag laws? This is a kinda chess I am unfamiliar with.
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    I'm amazed at how many people on this thread apparently believe that, somehow, ANY DEMOCRAT would be better than Trump, warts and all. Because that's what will happen if you "stay home" on Election Day 2020. It might still happen even if you don't, though that's a much longer shot.

    If you really think that anything will be fixed by waking up November 4 and seeing PRESIDENT-ELECT BIDEN on the news, then you're just tragically mistaken.

    Trump was, is, and will be the best chance we've got to fix anything around here that still needs fixing.

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    I'm amazed that there are people that still delude themselves that voting in fusa results in representative government.

    Did voting for trump end up with the deplorables getting representative government?

    imho it did not. So wth makes anyone think that after trump breaks one promise after another when he had control of congress he will find religion with the next congress?

    fedguv run of, by, and for oligarchs at the expense of real Americans and their rights is illegitimate.

    Taxation and governance without representation is illegitimate.

    Voting with blind faith when there is no basis for blind faith legitimizes an illegitimate process. AND government.

    trump's success has been to maintain the status quo and split what had been a unified galvanized real American base into three:

    1) One group that laps up every lie trump tells like the 0bots did when 0bama lied.

    2) One group with cognitive dissonance generated confusion that inevitably results when being told one thing repeatedly will happen only to watch it not happen.

    3) One group that is mad as hell that once again we've been lied to and treated to a yuuuuuuuugemongous bait and switch.

    Sooner or later Charlie Brown has to wake the hell up and realize Lucy is never going to change. The football will never be where it is supposed to be. And that continuing to believe the lie makes Charlie Brown one huge ass sucker.

    tinvowoot.

    They know it too.

    Hence the grabs for the only thing standing in their way of really just flushing America down the toilet once and for all - guns.

    And your 'only possible choice' is leading the charge.

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    There are limits as to what he can do if goes into pro-gun control.

    In the end there will only be 2 choices.
    Trump
    or
    The democrat.

    In 2008 and 2012 6 million repubs stayed home to make a point.
    They sure showed everybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adino View Post
    I'm amazed that there are people that still delude themselves that voting in fusa results in representative government.

    Did voting for trump end up with the deplorables getting representative government?

    imho it did not. So wth makes anyone think that after trump breaks one promise after another when he had control of congress he will find religion with the next congress?

    fedguv run of, by, and for oligarchs at the expense of real Americans and their rights is illegitimate.

    Taxation and governance without representation is illegitimate.

    Voting with blind faith when there is no basis for blind faith legitimizes an illegitimate process. AND government.

    trump's success has been to maintain the status quo and split what had been a unified galvanized real American base into three:

    1) One group that laps up every lie trump tells like the 0bots did when 0bama lied.

    2) One group with cognitive dissonance generated confusion that inevitably results when being told one thing repeatedly will happen only to watch it not happen.

    3) One group that is mad as hell that once again we've been lied to and treated to a yuuuuuuuugemongous bait and switch.

    Sooner or later Charlie Brown has to wake the hell up and realize Lucy is never going to change. The football will never be where it is supposed to be. And that continuing to believe the lie makes Charlie Brown one huge ass sucker.

    tinvowoot.

    They know it too.

    Hence the grabs for the only thing standing in their way of really just flushing America down the toilet once and for all - guns.

    And your 'only possible choice' is leading the charge.
    ^^^^^Whoop! There it is!^^^^

    You are totally right. But there are a huge number of folks in that #1category up there and they will not believe any of it.
    Thanks for the analysis.
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    It seems Pres.Trump and the dems have each other over the same barrel, but remember, it only seems that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adino
    tinvowoot.

    They know it too.

    Hence the grabs for the only thing standing in their way of really just flushing America down the toilet once and for all - guns.

    And your 'only possible choice' is leading the charge.
    Ain't that the truth!

    It doesn't matter whether Trump or a Dem wins if they both take our guns. We're doomed either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adino View Post
    I'm amazed that there are people that still delude themselves that voting in fusa results in representative government.

    Did voting for trump end up with the deplorables getting representative government?

    imho it did not. So wth makes anyone think that after trump breaks one promise after another when he had control of congress he will find religion with the next congress?

    fedguv run of, by, and for oligarchs at the expense of real Americans and their rights is illegitimate.

    Taxation and governance without representation is illegitimate.

    Voting with blind faith when there is no basis for blind faith legitimizes an illegitimate process. AND government.

    trump's success has been to maintain the status quo and split what had been a unified galvanized real American base into three:

    1) One group that laps up every lie trump tells like the 0bots did when 0bama lied.

    2) One group with cognitive dissonance generated confusion that inevitably results when being told one thing repeatedly will happen only to watch it not happen.

    3) One group that is mad as hell that once again we've been lied to and treated to a yuuuuuuuugemongous bait and switch.

    Sooner or later Charlie Brown has to wake the hell up and realize Lucy is never going to change. The football will never be where it is supposed to be. And that continuing to believe the lie makes Charlie Brown one huge ass sucker.

    tinvowoot.

    They know it too.

    Hence the grabs for the only thing standing in their way of really just flushing America down the toilet once and for all - guns.

    And your 'only possible choice' is leading the charge.
    Succinct and to the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    I'm amazed at how many people on this thread apparently believe that, somehow, ANY DEMOCRAT would be better than Trump, warts and all. Because that's what will happen if you "stay home" on Election Day 2020. It might still happen even if you don't, though that's a much longer shot.

    If you really think that anything will be fixed by waking up November 4 and seeing PRESIDENT-ELECT BIDEN on the news, then you're just tragically mistaken.

    Trump was, is, and will be the best chance we've got to fix anything around here that still needs fixing.
    I'm amazed that people believe that other people should be happy with the best of a poor choice, and not even criticize or question.

    Just because the democrat is worse doesn't mean you should accept whatever the republican does without criticism or comment.

    When the truck drives up in the yard and the jack boots tell you to load up in the back, the easiest thing to do is load up in the back.

    May not be the best thing to do, but it is the easiest......

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith357 View Post
    I'm amazed that people believe that other people should be happy with the best of a poor choice, and not even criticize or question.

    Just because the democrat is worse doesn't mean you should accept whatever the republican does without criticism or comment.

    When the truck drives up in the yard and the jack boots tell you to load up in the back, the easiest thing to do is load up in the back.

    May not be the best thing to do, but it is the easiest......
    ^^^THIS^^^ Thank You!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tripod View Post
    It seems Pres.Trump and the dems have each other over the same barrel, but remember, it only seems that way.
    Mike
    The only thing over a barrel is real America and real legacy Americans.

    The uniparty is the one that has them over it.

    trump is a card carrying uniparty member and every broken promise and the (now full 4 years of) budgets prove that. The fight is ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS over money. No fight for money for deplorable causes is on record. That is the reality.

    The oligarchs get every penny the emipre's agenda requires. Any money for trump's supposed caused could NOT be secured, because that would somehow make him a dictator (although how fighting for what was promised in the budget is not really dictator behavior so this one here leaves me with cognitive dissonant generated confusion too).

    Years of fine kabuki theater, the lies and lip service that make that possible, have resulted in a continued status quo.

    The deplorables are going to have to find a leader from our ranks.

    Not continue to support a newbie oligarch that claims to sympathize.

    Love the truth and results and not the lies.

    It removes the rose glasses and reality comes into focus.

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    I agree - NOT ONE INCH.
    That "inch" is part of the proverbial "mile" that will be next. President Trump KNOWS that and if he betrays us, he betrays our God and Constitutional rights and freedoms. Everything ELSE he says is going to be just so much bullshit.
    The people of the United States are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. Abraham Lincoln, 1859

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adino View Post
    The only thing over a barrel is real America and real legacy Americans.

    The uniparty is the one that has them over it.

    trump is a card carrying uniparty member and every broken promise and the (now full 4 years of) budgets prove that. The fight is ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS over money. No fight for money for deplorable causes is on record. That is the reality.

    The oligarchs get every penny the emipre's agenda requires. Any money for trump's supposed caused could NOT be secured, because that would somehow make him a dictator (although how fighting for what was promised in the budget is not really dictator behavior so this one here leaves me with cognitive dissonant generated confusion too).

    Years of fine kabuki theater, the lies and lip service that make that possible, have resulted in a continued status quo.

    The deplorables are going to have to find a leader from our ranks.

    Not continue to support a newbie oligarch that claims to sympathize.

    Love the truth and results and not the lies.

    It removes the rose glasses and reality comes into focus.
    I'd reword this to "The deplorables are going to have to find a leader from and for our ranks.
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    Indeed.

    Nice catch.

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    Why discuss gun laws with Democrats or Rino's?

    Do we need to discuss Abortion, Rape or Pedophilia with Democrats?

    They didn't vote for him, us deplorables did.

    Why discuss evil things, with evil people?

    Trump has already proved he can walk with Democrats by stabbing us deplorables in the back with a bump stock ban.

    If another hair is touched on the 2nd, my vote will not be a Trump vote. I'm ready for a revolution instead of regulation.

    I've got too much Scot-Irish blood in my veins handed down from 1776 and 1861 to lay down in my family grave as a yellow belly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobfall2005 View Post
    There are limits as to what he can do if goes into pro-gun control.
    It's NOT about what Trump can do, it's about what he'll sign.

    There are a myriad of gun control bills the Democrats have formed, they WILL pass the House without question.

    McConnell has already said universal background checks and a AWB would be first on the docket after reconvene. We can expect the two Independents to vote in favor of gun control bills and all it will take will be a few cold feet Repubs in the Senate to vote in favor...then all Trump has to do is sign it into law.

    Manchin stated Trump has spoken to him three times since the shootings to discuss his background check bill and that Trump wants more legislation before September.

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    When I voted for Trump, I did so knowing that he was a New York Democrat at heart - a New York Democrat that was FAR more conservative and patriotic than the Hildabeast or any other candidate that might come down the pike.

    I hold no illusions that DJT may very well "Sell Out" the shooting community, as I don't believe the Second Amendment is paramount in his thought hierarchy - I think he is trying to fight bigger battles. I don't think he is specifically ANTI 2A, like all of the other candidates, just that it's not that terribly important to him at the moment. Add on the fact that he has had to navigate the Las Vegas attack before these most recent high profile attacks, and I can see how he would be honestly motivated to "Do Something" (as cringe-worthy as that sounds) to try and save American lives - even if the problem ISN'T "solveable" without the "terrifyingly" obvious answer of arming everyone (but that is a discussion for a perfect world).

    Losing ground that was gained under FBHO is distasteful; there is no upside to it. However, DJT is still the best choice available to us, because there will be no shining knight of Constitutional purity to arise from amongst the unwashed rabble to replace him (and, 75% of the country would never vote for that guy). Come 2020 I will vote for DJT again, if for no other reason than the judicial picks, because ALL of the other options are INSANE... Yes, it's a $h!t sandwich, and we're ALL gonna have to take a bite.

    It may be sour consolation, but if Hildabeast had won in 2016, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Heck, given the information that has been revealed about her, I'm sure many of us would still be atomized fluff drifting through the upper atmosphere with the irradiated remains of several large cities.

    GTW: Idiocracy (2006) was a documentary sent to us from the future. There is no escaping it.

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    Standing for gun rights is going to be optional, then, to let the gun grabbing come 'because he is fighting bigger battles.'

    All we need is bigger battles on trump's plate to make sure a promise is broken.

    If ONLY the oligarchs and their deep state lap dogs could keep him occupied while they continue to rape and kill America. If only......

    Say like a false flag chemical weapon attack in Syria to keep the sand box forever wars happening.

    Or a downturn in the economy, or threat of it, to embrace the fed and their manipulation of money and markets. All we need to ensure that the manipulation is NOT stopped is a couple problems too big for trump to pay attention to. fed on again.

    Or belligerent behavior by Russians that he would have to stand against to prove he's not a Russian puppet, like eliminate the intermediate nuclear arms treaties.

    Or have to face pesky judges who think they have Administrative Branch execution or the writing of laws granted to Congress.

    If only trump could be kept in non reactive mode - then he would make those deep staters pay. And keep every promise he made us to put him there. Jeez. We need to get the kushners in there to make sure trump is kept right side up.......





    If only 'crisis' could be blamed for the rape and death of America.......




    Hey.....wait a minute.....didin't we see this move with the cripple commie fdr?

    Oh.....I'm sure crisis won't lead to the eviscerating of America and real Americans right under this set of crisis. Right????????







    Right???????







    All we need is the right set of circumstances for all the promises to be kept.

    Give me something to wash that down with....someone....please......quick....













    If any of these asshats actually cared about you, the USA, and the lies they promised every single 'mass shooting incident' would be used to expand gun rights.

    Why is the knee jerk reaction by our savior trump not followed by a demand for the elimination of gun free zones. Why don't they call for the elimination of carrying restrictions?

    Why not demand an end to the full auto ban so we can send these wannabe murders to hell in an actual flurry of lead?





    Or just keep doing the same thing and expecting diffrerent results.






    Hey....isn't that one of the definitions of insanity. I remember when 'conservatives' thought that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    I'm amazed at how many people on this thread apparently believe that, somehow, ANY DEMOCRAT would be better than Trump, warts and all. Because that's what will happen if you "stay home" on Election Day 2020. It might still happen even if you don't, though that's a much longer shot.

    If you really think that anything will be fixed by waking up November 4 and seeing PRESIDENT-ELECT BIDEN on the news, then you're just tragically mistaken.

    Trump was, is, and will be the best chance we've got to fix anything around here that still needs fixing.
    Blacknarwhal, I don't think anyone wants the Dems to win. We all know that would be pure hell !!!!

    I think you are misreading people.

    I think people are just extremely frustrated, they voted for Trump to close yhe border, stop the invasion, reduce Fed spending, bring all our troops home, and to PROTECT OUR 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS !!!

    Then, Trump unilaterally banned bump stocks, then run his mouth while sucking up with Fineswine, claiming " he favored taking the guns first, then due process later ", and now, he is supporting red flag laws ????

    Many, many 2nd Amend Supporters are feeling like they have been pissed on !!!! They will show their displeasure by staying home. They WILL NOT vote for the Dem, but they WILL NOT vote for they guy they feel lied to them, and stabbed them in the back !!!! They WILL NOT reward a traitor !!!!

    People can rationalize all they want about it. But, I think that is what a great many are thinking, right or wrong !!

    2ND AMEND SUPPORTERS ARE TIRED OF BEING FED A SHIT SANDWICH !!!! And, then being expected to like it !!!

    If they stay home, IT WILL BE TRUMPS FAULT !!!!

    This is not a reality TV show !!!

    If Trump wants to be reelected, he needs to wise up !!!

    In the end, the globalists will get what they want, regardless of what we want !!! The globalists are in charge !!!
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