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    B-1B Lancer Bomber Fleet Combat Defective

    After over two years of Trump's military budget increases, it seems we are still naked to our enemies. The headline says it all. How can one of our nuclear strike triads be in such dismal shape? We are either dealing with TREASON IN THE US AIR FORCE OR A LEVEL OF CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE THAT DEFIES DESCRIPTION.

    Yes, 90 percent of our B-2 Fleet, as in our nuclear deterrent is CRAP. The story says we have, Bush junior, Obama and now Trump have run our military into the ground for the last two decades. We have seen this also in the US Navy with the defective ships, and the US Army with the poor state of readiness in the combat brigades. So, what do we spend several hundred billion per year on in return for readiness rates worse than Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941?

    the link is below. This is a credible story by the way.

    https://americanmilitarynews.com/201...-general-says/

    Almost 90 percent of the Air Force’s B-1B Lancer bombers are not ready for combat.

    Out of a fleet of 61, only seven B-1B Lancer bombers are mission-capable, while 39 are down for inspections and the remaining 15 are in depot maintenance, according to a report by Task and Purpose on Wednesday.

    Gen. John Hyten said on Tuesday during his Senate Armed Services Committee confirmation hearing that the reason for the disrepair is because the military is over-using and under-maintaining the bombers.

    “We were just beating the heck out of them, deploying them, deploying them,” Hyten told lawmakers during his request for additional funding to make the necessary repairs. “We had to pull back a little and get after fixing those issues. The depots can do that if they have stable funding.”

    Hyten’s comments on Tuesday closely follow those made by Gen. Timothy Ray, who spoke on April 17 to a group of reporters about the fleet’s current state.

    “Normally, you would commit — [with] any bomber or any modern combat aircraft — about 40 percent of the airplanes in your possession as a force, [not including those] in depot,” Ray said at the time, as Military.com reported. “We were probably approaching the 65 to 70 percent commit rate [for] well over a decade. So the wear and tear on the crews, the maintainers, and certainly the airplane, that was my cause for asking for us to get out of the CENTCOM [Central Command] fight.”

    The B-1B Lancer bombers replaced the B-52 Stratofortress bombers in the Middle East on March 31, 2018, after a two-and-a-half-year hiatus.

    A non-nuclear bomber, the B-1B Lancer, nicknamed “The Bone,” was removed from the Middle East so the B-52 Stratofortress bomber could conduct an 18-month-long mission.
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    Headline says B-2, article reads only about B-1Bs ??

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    I guess the air force believes in the old 'run 'em 'til they break' mentality...
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    This is GOVT. we're talking about, here.

    You don't overcome 8 years of neglect in 2, especially if the neglect wasn't very benign, if you know what I mean.
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    TREASON IN THE US AIR FORCE OR A LEVEL OF CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE THAT DEFIES DESCRIPTION.


    sure looks that way...watching what is going on at pendleton, and seal team six..looks like deepstate has tendrils in our military.
    evil exists everywhere, and power centers especially. Will POTUS overcome?
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    Couple of issues. Maintenance ain’t sexy. Commanders don’t spend very much time in the maintenance hanger/tent/shed. Equipment is reported as ready when the part is on order and instead of a fuel injector, there is a requisition order hanging from the fuel tubes. Commanders feel pressure to report REDCON 1 (readiness condition ONE). Then reality hits when the Big Boss comes down and says, taxi your planes onto the ramp. No, don’t drag them. Taxi them. Uh, boss, well, you see…..

    The other problem is commanders unwilling to tell the Secretary of Defense and the President that they cannot support the next BS mission to rescue El Crapistan or the Lower Congo or East Cowpie Europe. Yes Sir, Yes Sir, Three Bags Full Sir.

    Can Do gets promoted. Can’t do doesn’t.

    And then reality comes calling. And yeah, lot of anger. Desk jocks and REMF's putting our troops at risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
    This is GOVT. we're talking about, here.

    You don't overcome 8 years of neglect in 2, especially if the neglect wasn't very benign, if you know what I mean.
    ^^^This^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer Doug View Post
    After over two years of Trump's military budget increases, it seems we are still naked to our enemies. The headline says it all. How can one of our nuclear strike triads be in such dismal shape? We are either dealing with TREASON IN THE US AIR FORCE OR A LEVEL OF CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE THAT DEFIES DESCRIPTION.

    Yes, 90 percent of our B-2 Fleet, as in our nuclear deterrent is CRAP. The story says we have, Bush junior, Obama and now Trump have run our military into the ground for the last two decades. We have seen this also in the US Navy with the defective ships, and the US Army with the poor state of readiness in the combat brigades. So, what do we spend several hundred billion per year on in return for readiness rates worse than Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941?

    the link is below. This is a credible story by the way.
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    Take a breath.
    We are not “naked to our enemies”
    The article is about B1s not B2s.
    The B1 is not “one of our nuclear strike triads” nor is it part of The triad (missiles, bombers, subs). B1s have not been configured to carry nukes for quite some time now but they can carry a LOT of bombs (almost twice as much as a B52).
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    I know some of the boys and girls at Task and Purpose and if Dennis thinks Ragnarok is a pitbull he should meet a couple of these folks.

    They've all got their heads on straight, "Stand for the Flag, Kneel for the Cross" kinds of folks, who don't get snowed easily. SOME of 'em are staff pukes with field Grade collar jewelry. And better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Countrybumpkin View Post
    I guess the air force believes in the old 'run 'em 'til they break' mentality...
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    I guess now that we are preparing to go after Iran, the fact that our Lance's are junk is par for the course.
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    Doug, the Lance was a WWII plane. the LancER is what you are talking about. And as pointed out is not and has not been for a VERY long time a Nuke-capable plane.

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    We used to have a nuclear triad that was composed of sub launches, ground silo based missile launches and air dropped by B-52 nukes. We now have replaced our entire B-52 air fleet with 20 B-2 nuke capable bombers. We have reduced our nuke capable subs to the bare minimum, and finally, we have cut our silo bases to the bone.

    The planes I am talking about here are our second tier that are meant to deliver either cruise missiles on target, mostly conventional, or drop J-dams? or MOAB's or non nuke type bombs.

    My main point here is we have now degraded our military to the point that it is a farce and we will get our asses kicked by the Chinese and Russians in any potential conflict.

    Virtually every single story I have seen the last five years indicates our military is a farce and will be slaughtered by the more modern Chinese and Russian forces. Iran has access to all that military stuff, plus a whole bunch of cyber and drone stuff they have that is better than ours is.

    It will be interesting to see the domestic reaction here in CONUS to a series of decisive US Military defeats.
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    Exactly how big is the military budget? 800 billion? Where does it all go

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    Quote Originally Posted by OZARK View Post
    Exactly how big is the military budget? 800 billion? Where does it all go
    F-35's. They don't work very well, but boy are they expensive and they can beat an F-16 when the encounter is very carefully scripted. If the F-16 jock doesn't stick to the script, splash one very expensive toy.
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    Breathe! The B1b has ALWAYS been a pretty bird- it stayed grounded more than I can remember. B52’s are still the workhorse in that area. We covered

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    I feel fine with 39 down for inspections at this point in time geo politically. Get those birds looked over good, get the minutia fixed, and get them flying soon.

    It's not like they are grounded for specific reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer Doug View Post
    We used to have a nuclear triad that was composed of sub launches, ground silo based missile launches and air dropped by B-52 nukes. We now have replaced our entire B-52 air fleet with 20 B-2 nuke capable bombers.
    At LEAST this much of that post is equine scat. HIGH QUALITY THOROUGHBRED EQUINE SCAT, but STILL equine scat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer Doug View Post
    I guess now that we are preparing to go after Iran, the fact that our Lance's are junk is par for the course.
    More and more I listen to you less and less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snyper View Post
    More and more I listen to you less and less.
    I don’t know bout the less and less, as the entertainment factor remains fairly high.
    But thanks to our very high quality knowledge-base membership with field experience, it is pretty clear that the street cred value of dd’s alarmism is not particularly valuable related to a few non-PNW issues...
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    They are everywhere dd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer Doug View Post
    We used to have a nuclear triad that was composed of sub launches, ground silo based missile launches and air dropped by B-52 nukes. We now have replaced our entire B-52 air fleet with 20 B-2 nuke capable bombers. We have reduced our nuke capable subs to the bare minimum, and finally, we have cut our silo bases to the bone.

    The planes I am talking about here are our second tier that are meant to deliver either cruise missiles on target, mostly conventional, or drop J-dams? or MOAB's or non nuke type bombs.

    My main point here is we have now degraded our military to the point that it is a farce and we will get our asses kicked by the Chinese and Russians in any potential conflict.

    Virtually every single story I have seen the last five years indicates our military is a farce and will be slaughtered by the more modern Chinese and Russian forces. Iran has access to all that military stuff, plus a whole bunch of cyber and drone stuff they have that is better than ours is.

    It will be interesting to see the domestic reaction here in CONUS to a series of decisive US Military defeats.
    Exactly - - - what I have seen.

    But based on the several attacks on you - as if you wrote the article - it is obvious that several here - would rather not know the truth but instead prefer to believe our military is still the strongest in the world.

    Naivete at its finest.

    I am beginning to think you are a Pollyanna magnet.

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    Mattis revealed in his recent new book that he had warned Trump soon after his inauguration that ammunition supplies were so low, they should hold off on any military opps until reserves were built back up.

    So this seems par for the course for the last administration.

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    The geniuses leading the politicos and American military have always screwed up the hardware … ALWAYS!

    In the run up and early days of WWII our torpedoes were defective, our airplanes not fit for their purpose and the high command didn't have a clue what they were doing. They only thing that saved us in the early days was the bravery of the men and in many cases luck.

    The M1 original design had a magazine, the geniuses in high command changed it to an 8 shot internal because they were afraid troops would waste ammo. Think of it, an M1 with a 20 round mag versus an 8 shooter.

    It's no different now. The planes the brass likes are overpriced do everythings that do nothing well. They skimp on maintenance spending, they farm out key production all over the world and they seem to be 25 years behind the times in strategy.

    The new ships are defective from the beginning designs and won't survive honest battle.

    We overuse and under maintain the equipment and the men.

    Heck, in any sustained war we can't even manufacture the fasteners that would be required for simple maintenance, let alone the millions of critical replacement parts that would be required in prolonged battle..

    Congress, Presidents, Pentagon Brass, they all failed and spent trillions to make the connected rich above all else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bps1691 View Post
    The geniuses leading the politicos and American military have always screwed up the hardware … ALWAYS!

    In the run up and early days of WWII our torpedoes were defective, our airplanes not fit for their purpose and the high command didn't have a clue what they were doing. They only thing that saved us in the early days was the bravery of the men and in many cases luck.

    The M1 original design had a magazine, the geniuses in high command changed it to an 8 shot internal because they were afraid troops would waste ammo. Think of it, an M1 with a 20 round mag versus an 8 shooter.

    It's no different now. The planes the brass likes are overpriced do everythings that do nothing well. They skimp on maintenance spending, they farm out key production all over the world and they seem to be 25 years behind the times in strategy.

    The new ships are defective from the beginning designs and won't survive honest battle.

    We overuse and under maintain the equipment and the men.

    Heck, in any sustained war we can't even manufacture the fasteners that would be required for simple maintenance, let alone the millions of critical replacement parts that would be required in prolonged battle..

    Congress, Presidents, Pentagon Brass, they all failed and spent trillions to make the connected rich above all else
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    Excellent post.

    Replacement parts? Most spares take months and months to get.

    Bravery of the men? Now days our boys are taught to be - scared - of guns.
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    How many chinese parts are being used in our planes jets etc? That has always been a concern to me.

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    Why isnt the dumbasses who reported this and who printed it in the paper, in jail? To me that is aiding and abetting your enemies!!! You dont put that kinda thing in the public domain!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by CELLO View Post
    Headline says B-2, article reads only about B-1Bs ??
    DD never lets facts or accuracy stand in his way...

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    I have dyslexia, so I misread things sometime.

    We now have 20 B-2 Stealth bombers, and as this link shows, under Obama they were essentially degraded by 2013.

    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/ame...w-9f0575cd52ff

    America Has 20 Stealth Bombers—Guess How Many Can Fly Right Now
    Nine, and that’s being generous

    The most expensive warplane in history—and arguably the deadliest—is also one of the least available for combat.

    The U.S. Air Force bought 21 B-2 stealth bombers from Northrop Grumman in the 1980s and 1990s at a price of more than $2 billion apiece, if you count development costs. One crashed on Guam in 2008, leaving 20 in the active fleet. But declining readiness—owing to maintenance and upgrades, wear and tear and cash shortages—routinely grounds 11 of the radar-evading, bat-wing bombers.

    Just nine stealth bombers comprise America’s entire arsenal for directly striking, from the air, heavily defended targets over long range. And if you don’t count the several planes being used to train new aircrews, as the Air Force doesn’t, the number drops again to a mere handful.

    This is a problem. If Pres. Barack Obama ordered the military to enforce a no-fly zone over Syria or hit Iranian nuclear facilities or strike back in the event of North Korean aggression, the B-2s would be part of the first wave alongside ship- and submarine-launched cruise missiles.

    That’s what happened over Libya in March 2011, when three B-2s flying from their main base in Missouri destroyed 45 aircraft shelters at a military airfield in Ghardabiya, Libya, smashing potentially dozens of regime warplanes in a single pass and clearing the way for less stealthy aircraft to enforce the NATO no-fly zone protecting rebel forces.

    That’s what happened over Libya in March 2011, when three B-2s flying from their main base in Missouri destroyed 45 aircraft shelters at a military airfield in Ghardabiya, Libya, smashing potentially dozens of regime warplanes in a single pass and clearing the way for less stealthy aircraft to enforce the NATO no-fly zone protecting rebel forces.

    Today the Air Force could probably muster three B-2s. But it would be tough. And sending three of the twin-engine warplanes over, say, Syria would sap the Pentagon’s strength in the Pacific, where the B-2s usually maintain a regular presence.

    There are several reasons for the stealth bombers’ poor availability. At any given time three of the B-2s are at an Air Force depot in California being repaired, rebuilt and upgraded with new electronics. Another is at Edwards Air Force Base in California for tests. The rest are at the Missouri base, where routine maintenance keeps around half in their hangars.

    The bomber’s official readiness rate is 47 percent, compared to 75 percent and 58 percent respectively for the older B-52 and B-1 bombers. The flying branch has 63 1980s-vintage B-1s and 76 B-52s dating from the ‘60s. The B-2s are harder to maintain than the other models because of their delicate radar-absorbing coatings.

    But Congressional politics likely play a role, too. The Air Force has seen its maintenance accounts squeezed by the 10-percent automatic budget cuts known as “sequestration” and by Congress’ inability to agree on a fresh full-year’s budget, instead holding spending to previous years’ levels. Sequestration would seem to account for the eight-percentage-point reduction in the B-2's availability between 2010 and 2013.

    The Air Force has a plan to boost the size of its available first-day strike force. The flying branch is secretly developing a new bomber with roughly the same stealth qualities as the B-2—and it wants 100 of them at a reduced price of just $550 million apiece. The new Long-Range Strike Bomber could replace the B-1s and B-52s starting in the 2020s, provided there are no nasty surprises in its development.

    But even a bigger fleet of new radar-evading bombers would be subject to the financial squeeze if Congress can’t figure out how to fund government. If Washington wants to be able to attack anything, anywhere, anytime, it’s got to learn to pay for it.

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    Next, we have the 744 B-52 bombers built between 1952 and 1962, which are, at least the 1952 model OLDER THAN DOOMER DOUG AT 67 YEARS OLD. Not seeing too much combat effectiveness there either.

    We now have some 76 B-52's still flying, which is INSANE.

    Twenty B-2 bombers, of which we can combat deploy between 3 and 9.

    76 B-52 bombers, of which we can deploy some to carpet bomb Syria, or Iraq.

    90 percent of the B-1 bombers are combat defective. The Navy has multiple worthless naval ships, and the Air Force has THE FARCE KNOWN AS THE F-35. Finally, the US Army has about 6 out of 60 combat brigades in good shape.

    The link is here.

    https://www.google.com/search?client...e+combat+ready

    Most Army Brigades, Navy Planes Aren't Combat Ready: Leaders. Only three of the Army's 58 Brigade Combat Teams are ready to fight; 53 percent of Navy aircraft can't fly; the Air Force is 723 fighter pilots short; and the Marine Corps needs 3,000 more troops.Feb 7, 2017
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    Wolverines, get ready in your free time.....could get interesting here in the land of the free and the brave.

    Seems the military has serious issues, that's why it's gonna go nuclear.........prepare for the worst folks.

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