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SCI Hawaiian activists prepare for Mauna Kea telescope convoys
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    Hawaiian activists prepare for Mauna Kea telescope convoys

    Scientists hope the massive telescope they plan to build atop Hawaii’s highest peak, a world-renowned location for astronomy, will help them peer back to the time just after the Big Bang and answer fundamental questions about the universe.

    But the site where they plan to build is considered sacred by some Native Hawaiians — a realm of gods and a place of worship and prayer.

    The road to Mauna Kea’s summit will be closed Monday morning as trucks carrying construction gear start to make their way to the peak.

    Alongside them will be Native Hawaiian and other protesters who are willing to get arrested to stop the development.

    The project already has been delayed by years of legal battles and demonstrations, drawing attention from the likes of “Aquaman” actor Jason Momoa, who has Native Hawaiian ancestry and has voiced opposition to the telescope.

    Scientists selected Mauna Kea in 2009 after a five-year, worldwide search for the ideal site.

    Protests disrupted a groundbreaking and Hawaiian blessing ceremony at the site in 2014. After that, the demonstrations intensified.

    Construction stopped in April 2015 after protesters were arrested for blocking the work. A second attempt to restart construction a few months later ended with more arrests and crews pulling back.

    But Hawaii’s Supreme Court has ruled the construction is legal, permits are in place, and the state has given the company behind the telescope a green light to resume its efforts. The company is made up of a group of universities in California and Canada, with partners from China, India and Japan.

    According to the University of Hawaii, ancient Hawaiians considered the location kapu, or forbidden. Only the highest-ranking chiefs and priests were allowed to make the long trek to Mauna Kea’s summit above the clouds.

    Today, the university leases the land at the summit from the state for existing telescopes and observatories on the summit. A road built for telescope access decades ago is used by thousands of tourists and locals each year, including Native Hawaiians who go there to pray.

    Supporters of the $1.4 billion giant telescope say the cutting-edge instrument will not only make important scientific discoveries but bring educational and economic opportunities to Hawaii.

    The telescope’s primary mirror would measure 98 feet (30 meters) in diameter. It would be three times as wide as the world’s largest existing visible-light telescope, with nine times more area.

    It’s not yet clear what protesters plan to do. Kahookahi Kanuha, who has been arrested three times while protesting the project, said he’s not sure yet if he’ll go to Mauna Kea next week, but he hopes a lot people show up and the protest remains peaceful.

    Gov. David Ige said unarmed National Guard units will be used to transport personnel and supplies and enforce some road closures, but they will not be used in a law enforcement capacity during planned protests.

    https://www.breitbart.com/news/hawai...scope-convoys/
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    As much as I like to respect other cultures, after a place has been "opened" up to outsiders, doesn't that kind of negate the prior viewpoint?
    Lots of expensive equipment has been up there for years.
    This sounds like a fantastic telescope, love to see it when built, or at least photos.

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    They would be better off building it in New Mexico or Arizona they have some mountains and both states have adopted a dark sky's laws where as Hawaii has not and would be almost impossible to enforce now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mountain View Post
    Modern-day Luddites.
    They protest because it's what they do.

    A hobby.

    How they get an adrenaline fix.

    Always looking for a reason to form a crowd and feed of off each others emotions.


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    Meh... The Hawaiian gods are

    Tradition in these types of situations is for the natives to boil and eat a couple of missionaries and throw a virgin or two into the volcano, after which their gods will be happy.

    Might be hard to find some virgins in such a liberal "progressive" state as Hawaii.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post
    They would be better off building it in New Mexico or Arizona they have some mountains and both states have adopted a dark sky's laws where as Hawaii has not and would be almost impossible to enforce now.
    Not only "dark sky laws" but when I visited the Very Large Array in western New Mexico I read that area residents either had agreed to not use radio transmitting devices or were by state law not allowed to -- I forget which, but I assume that would also mean no cell phones or WiFi. However, the top of Mauna Kea is practically crowded with existing telescopes because it's a fantastic location for them, so it's a little late to avoid offending the gods and another telescope isn't going to make much difference. But if the protesters care to use violence, that massive mirror is very vulnerable and they wouldn't have to do much to it to make it unusable.

    From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauna_Kea_Observatories): "The location is near ideal because of its dark skies from lack of light pollution, good astronomical seeing, low humidity, high elevation of 4,205 meters (13,796 ft), position above most of the water vapor in the atmosphere, clean air, good weather and low latitude location."

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    Quote Originally Posted by tanstaafl View Post
    Not only "dark sky laws" but when I visited the Very Large Array in western New Mexico I read that area residents either had agreed to not use radio transmitting devices or were by state law not allowed to -- I forget which, but I assume that would also mean no cell phones or WiFi. However, the top of Mauna Kea is practically crowded with existing telescopes because it's a fantastic location for them, so it's a little late to avoid offending the gods and another telescope isn't going to make much difference. But if the protesters care to use violence, that massive mirror is very vulnerable and they wouldn't have to do much to it to make it unusable.

    From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauna_Kea_Observatories): "The location is near ideal because of its dark skies from lack of light pollution, good astronomical seeing, low humidity, high elevation of 4,205 meters (13,796 ft), position above most of the water vapor in the atmosphere, clean air, good weather and low latitude location."


    Light Pollution is a major problem for all astronomers and trying to move away a few miles from it for better viewing one will notice the sky glow like a huge dome of light forming from towns and cities and this light causes problems for the observer viewing the night sky.

    There is a Dark Sky Association that can be found on the net and they offer ways to cut down on light pollution and even large city's can save big money by changing the street lighting.

    EDIT ADD LINK: http://www.darksky.org
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    They would be better off building it in New Mexico or Arizona they have some mountains and both states have adopted a dark sky's laws where as Hawaii has not and would be almost impossible to enforce now.
    NM's SunSpot and Apache Point get light pollution all the way from El Paso.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post
    They would be better off building it in New Mexico or Arizona they have some mountains and both states have adopted a dark sky's laws where as Hawaii has not and would be almost impossible to enforce now.
    Those states will likely be lost to Mexico well before the Chinese Navy takes Hawaii.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryK View Post
    Meh... The Hawaiian gods are

    Tradition in these types of situations is for the natives to boil and eat a couple of missionaries and throw a virgin or two into the volcano, after which their gods will be happy.

    Might be hard to find some virgins in such a liberal "progressive" state as Hawaii.
    I bet they can find some Jehovah Witnesses or Mormon missionaries, THEY ARE EVERY WHERE! Every where we travel, we can count on seeing a JW on a street corner handing out the Watchtower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post
    They would be better off building it in New Mexico or Arizona they have some mountains and both states have adopted a dark sky's laws where as Hawaii has not and would be almost impossible to enforce now.
    The summit was chosen specifically because of it's lack in significant light pollution.


    Quote Originally Posted by tanstaafl View Post
    Not only "dark sky laws" but when I visited the Very Large Array in western New Mexico I read that area residents either had agreed to not use radio transmitting devices or were by state law not allowed to -- I forget which, but I assume that would also mean no cell phones or WiFi.
    Same policy at Green Bank Observatory, but it encapsulates an entire zone known as the NRQZ (National Radio Quite Zone) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...e#Restrictions

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