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    Ammo Stockpiling - Busting Myths with Real Data

    Stumbled across this vid a little while ago. If this guy is really a prepper he has to be about one of the dumbest ones out there. To me though he seems to be intentionally attempting to pass on bad information.

    The comments are pretty good, the fool gets his ass handed to him by most of the comments but as usual there are a few idiots making comments.

    Try not to laugh too hard at this moron...............


    Here are a few of the comments.......

    Wait, 1 deer can make 200 meals? 5 deer can make 1,000 meals?

    Two questions, how is it that mankind was surviving for hundreds of thousands of years before the firearm was invented when humans have only been on the planet for less than 200000 years? Secondly how was it that the serbians with no air power and no armor were able to keep the Nazis completely bottled up for almost the duration of World War II? However they did use mostly sniper and Guerrilla tactics.


    Govt will always have better tech? Sure, let's assume that that's true. Last time I checked, the most advanced military with their locals have failed to clear out Afghanistan with almost equal casualties on both sides. So if its gonna take more than 17 and a half years to kill a bunch of radicals, its gonna take more than that to clean out the well armed and trained parts of the population of a large country.

    Edit: When you talked about the number of US troops killed, you forgot to talk about how many troops from other nations (cough cough, afghan securities forces that did most of the grunt work) that got slaughtered in the process, not the mention civilians that got in the way of either side. The vast majority of US troops that deploy overseas never see a day of combat. Even then, most with serious combat experience get placed in training related roles.
    

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    This video uses real data to debunk common myths about stockpiling ammunition for SHTF situations. It explains why using ammo for barter is a terrible idea, how much you really need for self defense and hunting, and the truth about hoarding ammo for militia activities.


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    I agree that this is BS.
    YT has been pushing this vid a bunch. I watched something like 2 minutes and decided that he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.
    He compares the relative "good times" with a prepping event (CW, disaster, black swan, etc) which should be treated more akin to a "use what you brung" event with no likely resupply.....ever.
    I couldn't finish it. 1/10.

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    Saw this vid a few weeks back, put my retort in the comments. I'm thinking it's a propaganda piece to be used against ammo purchasing in bulk, it's very convenient this video has been trending like mad and then the Left introduces their "ammo loophole" bill.
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    Amusing in its stupidity.
    I’ve already exceeded all his numbers.
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    I made it 5 min and 15 secs in this silliness. The blow gun was my final straw.

    Anyone else remember shooting a brick of .22 lr over a weekend as a kid? Wasn't abnormal and we weren't abnormal either.

    Some of us feel ammo is a legacy to be bequeathed. Most would pray it is never used in anger, just for practice. Most forward thinking people know it is the ONLY veto power that J6P holds.

    Hopefully holding it is sufficient rather than needing to use it...
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    He doesn't even mention training which by far is my most need case for a stockpile pre-shtf. I don't know about you guys but I cycle at least 100 rounds of 9mm and .223 a month at just the range. I buy ~1000 of each about every 6 months just for practice/ fun.
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    No mention of the assault wheelbarrow?
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    Yeah he is silly in his assertions.

    He thinking is very static. Only perfect shots each time. Only 2-3 shots per incident, etc. All bunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luddite View Post
    I made it 5 min and 15 secs in this silliness. The blow gun was my final straw.

    Anyone else remember shooting a brick of .22 lr over a weekend as a kid? Wasn't abnormal and we weren't abnormal either.

    Some of us feel ammo is a legacy to be bequeathed. Most would pray it is never used in anger, just for practice. Most forward thinking people know it is the ONLY veto power that J6P holds.

    Hopefully holding it is sufficient rather than needing to use it...


    that's how a prepper needs to be buying his weapons as well - the way things are going - your grandkids could well be depending on the weapons that Grandpa put away >>>> that's without any serious SHTFs where our weapons will all become EDCs ....

    I always suggest an upgrade to the newbie preppers that want to go cheap and settle on a $200 shotgun - it'll last forever in the back of the closet - tie a sling on it and start depending on it everyday and see how long the plastic parts and crap metals last ....
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    I watched the entire vid, and while his deer —> meals numbers are bull, a lot of what he says has merit if you look at what he says objectively.

    For example, statistically, self-defense gunfights happen at an average range of 7-10 feet, and and average of about 2.5 shots are fired. A person doesn’t need to hit a paper 10 ring at 50 yards with an 8” barrel, or have an ammo loadout of 50 rds to be able to fight at that range.

    But his assumptions about the military ASSUME that the government will still be able to give them orders, they’ll be willing to follow those orders, and that they’ll even be there at all.

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    I watched the whole video. Other than the meat content of deer and rabbits what he said makes good sense. He is talking about the current situation to show where he got his numbers from. Obviously anyone can only guess at a SHTF situation. He said or hinted at one truth. If the situation requires you to have a whole lot of ammo then chances are you won't last very long anyway. And he never says how much ammo should buy. He says buy as much as you want.
    My personal opinion is if there ever is a EOTWAWKI situation you will Not be using ammo for training. So now you may go to the range and shoot 1 or 2 hundred rounds but in a situation you will not be doing that. If you shoot a hundred rounds at people then I would assume they are shooting a hundred rounds at you too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistaken1 View Post
    No mention of the assault wheelbarrow?
    gun kid's relative?

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    One of the things he says that gives a little look into his mindset is when he says........ "because every fool with a 9mm pistol or a shotgun will be out there trying to MURDER animals".

    From what I have seen it is liberals/progressives/socialists/commies that consider it murder to kill an animal, be it for food or sport.....
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    Maybe we should be asking why the Obama era departments had to stockpile so much ammo?
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    Essentially, they avoid all but necessary, cautious interaction with Alphas and Betas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GammaRat View Post
    Maybe we should be asking why the Obama era departments had to stockpile so much ammo?
    That’s for when the Marxists come back into power...

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    The OP is ignoring the need to practice. A great deal can be done by dry firing, but you cannot beat the real thing. I do not believe in stock piling vast quantities of
    ammo. I do not want to supply the people that kill me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GammaRat View Post
    Maybe we should be asking why the Obama era departments had to stockpile so much ammo?

    that hasn't changed - likely more added >>>> when the ANTIFA and BLM types stop their MAGA hat assaults and start burning out post offices and SS offices - all that ammo will be needed ...

    if you think the last couple of years have been crazy - wait until they finally realize all the DNC "impeach Trump" crap is just that - total crap - and the 2020 elections are a freaking landslide across the board ...
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    Serious training and practice eat up lots of ammo. A basic pistol or carbine class for us ordinary sillyvillians will easily go through 1000 rounds, a shotgun class 400-500. Practice? Some folks for whom you the taxpayer provide ammo go through 100k or more per year. Of course, they shoot as a pretty much full time job, too.

    Ammo? You don't have enough. Get more ...
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    It was back in the 1990s they were threatening up tax ammo and primers to no end and came on the heals of the assault weapons ban.
    Word quickly got around to buy three to four bricks of .22 Rimfire ammo and the military top brass was telling the political leaders this was serious as the common joe can carry 500 or more rounds of ammo in a ruck sack. It was more than the GI can lug and looked upon as unpredictable citizens with an end less supply of ammo to do battle with it's out of control government.

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    Stocking ammo can be both practical and profit-making, if you are careful and smart. A lot of folks made a small fortune reselling .22 rimfire during the .22 drought, but - obviously - anyone who bought a lot of it at the elevated prices lost out. The same held true with people smart enough to buy SKSs back when they were $79.95 and Eastern Bloc ammo when they were almost giving it away. Now all of the Eastern Bloc ammo is much more expensive and some of it, like 7.62x25 has gotten stupidly expensive.

    The best (and cheapest) way to stockpile ammo is to reload, though it's illegal to sell your reloads without a license. It's not illegal to give reloads away, however. This can be used advantageously if you give away reloaded ammo to close a private sale on a firearm. Also, amongst prep-minded family members, reloads make a great gift. I just sent special 30-06 hunting reloads to a stepson who DW had given a Garand to years ago. As some of you doubtless know, Garands can't just shoot any type of '06 ammo, as some of it can damage the op rod. The specs aren't terribly rigid, but they do require ammo within certain bullet weight, pressure and pressure curves. Stepson was delighted to get a large box of premium hunting ammunition that was tailored to his rifle.

    Now, as Publius noted, there are threats to tax ammo and reloading components, as well as requiring people to go through background checks for ammunition purchases. A good supply of primers and powder(s) can help you avoid those traps.

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    I call SHENANIGANS on that Vid.

    If you're stockpiling for a simple SHTF temporary event or even in the worse case TEOTWAWKI you have to assume that you will have no backup, no resupply and no cavalry riding to the rescue. There will be no time to reload spent ammo. You should also assume that you will always be out numbered and out gunned....so how are you going to equalize the threat? With a shitpot of rounds down range to, hopefully convenience the threat to go elsewhere or with any luck to stop it cold.

    Soooo stock up and store as much as you can. Practice as often as you can and keep as low a profile as you can.

    You don't want anyone knowing what you have....you'd rather it come as a shocking complete surprise to anyone threatening you.

    Oops, bit off more than we can chew here....RUN AWAY!
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    Um, you people do realize the guy in the vid never said to NOT buy 20,000 rounds of ammo. He just gave his opinion that it is likely you don't need that many. I happen to agree.

    Look at the people now that carry a double-stack 9mm as a EDC and besides the gun with 15+ rounds they also carry two extra mags of 15 rounds. Yet what are the odds of an honest man getting in a gun fight where he needs 45 rounds of ammo? And I say more power to him if he wants to carry all that weight and bulk, I choose not to carry quite that much. And that is exactly what the guy in the vid is saying. That he won't buy 50,000 rounds of ammo to store but that he is happy if you want to buy that much. Personally I would spend some of that ammo money to buy extra food.

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    The only valid reason IMO to buy ammo by the pallet is to give it to your kids and extended family. That has real merit. Outside of that, a modest stockpile and enough to replace what you practice with.

    Again JMHO.

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    Publius, I sure wish you’d punctuate your sentences more. Over the years, it’s gotten so bad I can barely understand what you’re trying to say sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    The only valid reason IMO to buy ammo by the pallet is to give it to your kids and extended family. That has real merit. Outside of that, a modest stockpileband enough to replace what you practice with.

    Again JMHO.
    I don't go overboard with stockpiling. I have a good supply.

    But my rule of thumb is to buy just a bit more ammo than what you use at the range. Every time...
    Gammas stand apart, staking out and defending their space, finding their own mate, showing no interest in dominating the Betas.

    Essentially, they avoid all but necessary, cautious interaction with Alphas and Betas.

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    If it makes you think, the video has some worth. If people take it as gospel,they are not thinking and considering options in my opinion.

    Dryfire can help a ton, and it is quiet. But if you go shooting or take some classes that ammo fort can become an ammo footrest pretty quickly.

    On the ccw a double stack and couple spare mags, I look at it this way. The chances I need my ccw are tiny and only a few rounds are used in the average encounter from what I have read.

    Thing is, me going to my mailbox is one thing and me going to the city is a whole nother ball of wax. Icky dirty used wax.

    One reason to carry a spare mag is mags can fail. Or I can have an oops and eject the mag into a mud puddle or something and I would rather grab a fresh clean mag than try to clean that muddy mag up.

    But overall everyone has to decide for themselves. On the deer feeding a couple hundred people or whatever, only if you are making stew out of it.
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    I'm just curious. So some of you are promoting to continue live fire training after SHTF?

    If training is important now, I would think it would have at least as much importance after SHTF.
    Or are any shots fired after SHTF going to just draw unwanted attention to you?
    So with no resupply in sight you would use stored ammo for training?

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    In today's world, many (maybe most) violent assailants can be assumed to be on a mind altering substance and may continue to fight after mortal wounds. Multiple assailants are the norm. Such was my experience overseas, such is my experience here INCONUS.
    Shot placement is critical, but shooting until the target "changes shape, catches fire, or you hear a click" is also sometimes the correct action (I want to say I heard that from Clint Smith at Thunder Ranch). Head shots are great, but a head moves.....a lot. Most of us don't get enough trigger time against moving targets, JMHO.

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    shooting until the target "changes shape, catches fire

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    Quote Originally Posted by biere View Post
    If it makes you think, the video has some worth. If people take it as gospel,they are not thinking and considering options in my opinion.

    Dryfire can help a ton, and it is quiet. But if you go shooting or take some classes that ammo fort can become an ammo footrest pretty quickly.

    On the ccw a double stack and couple spare mags, I look at it this way. The chances I need my ccw are tiny and only a few rounds are used in the average encounter from what I have read.

    Thing is, me going to my mailbox is one thing and me going to the city is a whole nother ball of wax. Icky dirty used wax.

    One reason to carry a spare mag is mags can fail. Or I can have an oops and eject the mag into a mud puddle or something and I would rather grab a fresh clean mag than try to clean that muddy mag up.

    But overall everyone has to decide for themselves. On the deer feeding a couple hundred people or whatever, only if you are making stew out of it.
    In the event things go south, you will not be looking at 1 on 1 encounters where you are "self defensing". Rather you will be looking at a battle of groups, 3-4 in a group, where who has the most will most likely prevail. Look at how many rounds are used during a firefight with the military and you would have a better idea of what to expect under the circumstances he indicated in the beginning of the video.

    I do agree that a 1 on 1 encounter requires only a few rounds with a back up mag, but that is not what he indicated we would experience. At least at the beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiwall View Post
    I'm just curious. So some of you are promoting to continue live fire training after SHTF?

    If training is important now, I would think it would have at least as much importance after SHTF.
    Or are any shots fired after SHTF going to just draw unwanted attention to you?
    So with no resupply in sight you would use stored ammo for training?
    I am of two minds on this. Yes, you would need the practice, but do you want to risk the attention?

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    I'm just curious. So some of you are promoting to continue live fire training after SHTF?

    If training is important now, I would think it would have at least as much importance after SHTF.
    Or are any shots fired after SHTF going to just draw unwanted attention to you?
    So with no resupply in sight you would use stored ammo for training?


    So, will you be staying awake/alert/on guard 24/7/365 after TSHTF?

    No? Then who will help you stand guard? Will they come to you already fully trained and equipped for guard duty? If not, who will train and supply them?

    How?

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