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    Study Claims Slaughter of Native Americans Caused ‘Little Ice Age’

    Study Claims Slaughter of Native Americans Caused ‘Little Ice Age’
    Thomas D. Williams, Ph.D.
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    A study alleges that millions of indigenous Americans died following the arrival of Christopher Columbus in North America in 1492, and this drastic depopulation resulted in substantial global cooling.

    The study, conducted by researchers from University College London and published in the journal Quarternary Science Reviews, claims that the deaths induced by European colonists occurred on such a large scale that they led to a “Little Ice Age,” a period of global cooling between the 16th and mid-19th century.

    The researchers propose that some 90 percent of the indigenous population, or nearly 55 million people, died at the hands of the colonists, either through violence and or diseases like smallpox, measles, and influenza, hitherto unknown in the New World.

    After the rapid drop in population, large areas of vegetation and farmland were abandoned and the resulting growth of trees and flora began absorbing more carbon dioxide and keeping it locked in the soil, causing the earth’s average temperature to fall by 0.15 degrees Celsius, the report claims.

    “Humans altered the climate already before the burning of fossil fuels had started,” said Alexander Koch, a doctoral candidate in Physical Geography and the lead author of the study. “Fossil fuel burning then turned up the dial.”

    The study alleges that human activity at the time “caused a drop in atmospheric CO₂ that cooled the planet long before human civilization was concerned with the idea of climate change.”

    Mr. Koch was quick to insist that despite the drop in global temperatures caused by these deaths, he was not advocating killing people as a means to combat global warming.

    “Killing people is not the way to go for tackling our present-day problems,” Koch said. “We need to cut down our fossil fuel emissions and not by killing people.”

    The authors of the study also admit that it is notoriously difficult to quantify how many indigenous American peoples died at the time, in part because no census data or population records exist.

    Neither of the metrics typically employed to approximate population numbers — European eyewitness accounts and records of encomienda payments collected during colonial rule — can be relied on for accurate figures, the study acknowledges.

    For their new study, researchers summed up estimates of pre-Columbian populations in 119 regions of North and South America, leading to their figure of about 60.5 million people living in the Americas prior to the arrival of Europeans.

    The new study and its explanation of the Little Ice Age as a product of human activity has met with some opposition.

    “It is a highly interesting paper,” said Joerg Schaefer from the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University, especially because it will trigger controversy and further research.

    Nonethless, the researchers “are likely overstating their case,” Schaefer said. “I am absolutely sure this paper does not explain the cause of the carbon dioxide change and the temperature change during that time.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post

    “It is a highly interesting paper,” said Joerg Schaefer from the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University, especially because it will trigger controversy and further research.

    Nonethless, the researchers “are likely overstating their case,” Schaefer said. “I am absolutely sure this paper does not explain the cause of the carbon dioxide change and the temperature change during that time.”

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    Overstating hell. It's straight up ludicrous to believe that cookfires and agriculture are enough to cause climate change. We're not that important.

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    Wouldn't the buffalo farts have counter-acted the loss?

    These clowns need a unified theory to push their agenda....
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    Here is an idiot with a doctoric degree who still belives that oil some how came from fossils.
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    The majority of "Native Americans" were hunter/gatherers, not farmers. There is no evidence that agriculture was practiced on a scale large enough to support the millions that popular thinking now says were here--and hunting would not support that many people. I think they like to exaggerate how bad the impact of European immigration was so they can further trash western civilization. Sadly, academia is so twisted by Marxism now that they'll accept any bizarre theory.
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    It's the game of follow the money and finding who is supplying who with money to do their bidding. Next step is figuring out what to do about them?
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    I thought that we gave them a bunch of blankets; didn't that help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by imaginative View Post
    I thought that we gave them a bunch of blankets; didn't that help?
    Blankets, fire-sticks, and firewater...
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    Such astonishing ignorance crosses that border into the ridiculous.

    People like this are dangerous because those even more ignorant will believe what they are proposing and the result from that can only cause ever more harmful idiotic "green" restrictions.

    Be careful, preppers! Gardens cause Global Warming!

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    The injuns did their fair share of killing, they killed each other into oblivion and used the muzzie play book to do it. They should have opened up buffalo burgers and chip stands and everything would have worked out for them. Now they've got casinos, gas stations, free housing and health care. You should see the big new health care building that was just built for them injuns. No ice age, bunch of BS.

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    Therefor, we can solve the global warming predicament by killing off a couple hundred million people...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Study Claims Slaughter of Native Americans Caused ‘Little Ice Age’
    Thomas D. Williams, Ph.D.
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    A study alleges that millions of indigenous Americans died following the arrival of Christopher Columbus in North America in 1492, and this drastic depopulation resulted in substantial global cooling.
    This is code for the want to kill all of us to save the planet.
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    Over half of native North Americans died BEFORE European settlers came to this country. Granted what happened to a majority of the remaining survivors wasn't pretty either, (over half of the remaining half died) but most native Americans died before the Europeans got here. If they hadn't died before the European settlers came, the settlers might never have been able to establish a foothold in North America. At least not at that time.

    When a more advance culture comes in contact with a more primitive culture, the results aren't pretty.

    Trying to blame climate change on the death of Native Americans, rises to a new level of stupidity. Is there nothing they won't seek to utilize to try and prove that which they so far have been unable to prove?
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    Temporal correlation does NOT EQUAL causation. And he's a friggin DOCTORAL CANDIDATE!!??
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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryK View Post
    Over half of native North Americans died BEFORE European settlers came to this country. Granted what happened to a majority of the remaining survivors wasn't pretty either, (over half of the remaining half died) but most native Americans died before the Europeans got here. If they hadn't died before the European settlers came, the settlers might never have been able to establish a foothold in North America. At least not at that time.

    When a more advance culture comes in contact with a more primitive culture, the results aren't pretty.

    Trying to blame climate change on the death of Native Americans, rises to a new level of stupidity. Is there nothing they won't seek to utilize to try and prove that which they so far have been unable to prove?


    It was the Spaniards that caused the death of millions of natives thinking it would make it easier to collect their gold and melt it down into gold deblumes with the kings face on them to take back to Spain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSTemplar View Post
    Here is an idiot with a doctoric degree who still belives that oil some how came from fossils.
    Where did oil come from?
    And coal?
    And natural gas?
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    Ya know - back in the day, we came up with more plausible theories when we were drunk, stoned or tripping.

    The current generations are really, intellectually slacking.

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    Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the Sun's cycles....

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    Mr. Koch was quick to insist that despite the drop in global temperatures caused by these deaths, he was not advocating killing people as a means to combat global warming.


    That's EXACTLY what he's advocating. Less people on the earth means less global warming, less "useless eaters", less <add your pet peeve here>.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dawnbringr View Post
    Mr. Koch was quick to insist that despite the drop in global temperatures caused by these deaths, he was not advocating killing people as a means to combat global warming.


    That's EXACTLY what he's advocating. Less people on the earth means less global warming, less "useless eaters", less <add your pet peeve here>.
    We all know where we would start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alpha View Post
    Therefor, we can solve the global warming predicament by killing off a couple hundred million people...
    Starting with the muzzies.
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    TerryK - the majority of the population didn't die BEFORE the Europeans came, they died before the Settlers came.

    That may be what you meant but I wasn't sure and I wanted to clarify - it is perfectly true that vast tracks of empty land and abandoned villages were found by the early settlers as much as 200 years plus later; but the original occupants almost certainly died of European Disease they just didn't catch it directly from First Contact sources.

    We know that Cavasa De Vaca "went Native" after he was left for dead by the 1527 Spanish expedition; only he survived and became a full-time trader and healer for several years all over the Southwest and probably the Mississippi.

    We know about him because he survived to go back to Spain and write a book about it; I'm sure the man (who seemed well liked by the Native Americans he lived and traded with) had no idea he may have been "Typhoid Jose" but he and probably other folks lost to history (because they never came back) probably did bring a host of deadly European diseases pretty much all of the Americas in the 1500's.

    It wasn't that they were personally sick but they were carriers and like most Europeans of the day had survived these conditions in childhood; the Native Americans caught them and they spread like wildfire - so yeah the Europeans coming two or even three centuries later found lots of empty zones but the original reasons was indirect European contact.

    Also, there was a LOT of Native American Agriculture especially in the Northeast, South East and parts of the Southwest.

    There were even areas that had up to a million or more inhabitants around the St. Louis area; it was just those urban areas were made of wood in what is now the United States, rather than stone as they were in Mexico.

    When you get into Mexico, Meso America and parts of South America you get highly sophisticated agricultural populations that did support millions of more people.

    There were areas in North America where hunting and gathering predominated, but agriculture was well known and had been practiced by many for thousands of years.

    That said, I think the idea that the 90 percent die off (which is the most commonly accepted number these days) caused the Little Iceage to be one of the most outlandish and desperate "theories" I have ever seen on the subject.

    Especially since the weather started to get severely cold and cause famines in Europe by the early 1300s and the full-scale exploration of the Americas by Europeans didn't really get going until about 1500 (200 years later).

    I'm sure that the deaths of so many millions and millions of people DID have some effects on the Earth and possibly a bit on local climates but it sure as heck didn't cause the Little Iceage.
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    I blame the "Latinos",
    because the "Latinos" arrived in 1492 and the British did not start colonizing until 1607 - 100 years later.
    And 100 years after that, there were only 250,000 people in the British colonies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raven View Post
    I blame the "Latinos",
    because the "Latinos" arrived in 1492 and the British did not start colonizing until 1607 - 100 years later.
    And 100 years after that, there were only 250,000 people in the British colonies.
    But that was still nearly 200 years (OK maybe more like 180 years the first Great Little Ice Age famine was about 1320) after the start of the Little Ice Age/Cooling periods.

    So I don't think either group had a fig to do with the Little Ice Age; heck the Norse were already mostly frozen out of Greenland by the early 1400s.
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    I can't imagine how one could possibly offer this with a straight face.

    Unless of course it was done with the purpose of further demonizing white men as the source of all the world's evil.
    Or, as was suggested upthread, seeding the more dangerous idea that a mass die off is just Gaia needs
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    Another sociopath socialist liberal spouting BS....

    The Black Death, also known as the Great Plague, the Black Plague, or the Plague, was one of the most devastating pandemics in human history, resulting in the deaths of an estimated 75 to 200 million people in Eurasia and peaking in Europe from 1347 to 1351.

    Now there was not a small ice age then....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texican View Post
    Another sociopath socialist liberal spouting BS....

    The Black Death, also known as the Great Plague, the Black Plague, or the Plague, was one of the most devastating pandemics in human history, resulting in the deaths of an estimated 75 to 200 million people in Eurasia and peaking in Europe from 1347 to 1351.

    Now there was not a small ice age then....

    Texican....
    Uh yes actually there was, in fact, there is a theory out there that one reason this particular pass of Yestria Pestus (in all three forms) was so horrifically deadly was that people had been so weakened by the Great Famines of the 1320s that were caused the first dramatic climate swings of the Little Ice Age; that they were much easier prey for a disease we now know had come in repeated waves probably since at least the Bronze Age (but morphing and mutating over time).

    It can vary a lot what book or source you check but most climate studies show severe swings and whether that signaled the end of the Medieval Warming Period starting in the early 14th century (the 1300s) and in full swing by 1347.

    The Bitter Cold and real Climate Changes (and swings) went on for most of the next few hundred years, with a few warmer time periods but mostly lasting until the middle 1900's when things seriously started to warm up again.

    There are a couple of official solar sun-spot minimums during the period and not every single year was terribly cold or terribly hot but overall the climate was much colder than it had been from about 900 AD to 1300/1400.

    My husband and I wrote several novels set in Germany just after the SECOND round of the Plague (which killed most of the kids) around the 1360s so we had to research all this stuff in great detail.

    We throw in some of the more famous weather events like "The Great Wind of Dublin" that took down the main Cathedral and other climate extremes that littered the time period.

    Summers were still sometimes hot (or even hotter than normal) but shorter and the growing seasons were badly affected not just by cold but by cold rains, wind, floods, and even droughts.

    But again, the Black Death didn't cause the Little Ice Age; that event had already started.
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    Sorry but I couldn't read only the first couple sentences because they were just too stupid to believe. There is absolutely nothing scientific about any of these so called scientists. Bunch of frauds.......

    Going back to watching my silly movies. This other crap that is real life is way more stupid..........gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....


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    Is there nothing they won't seek to utilize to try and prove that which they so far have been unable to prove?

    Obviously not... and only the equally uneducated/gullible would believe it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Owl View Post
    Sorry but I couldn't read only the first couple sentences because they were just too stupid to believe. There is absolutely nothing scientific about any of these so called scientists. Bunch of frauds.......

    Going back to watching my silly movies. This other crap that is real life is way more stupid..........gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
    It is stupid but the scary thing is the average person doesn't really just how stupid it is unless they have some reason to have seriously looked at not only the historical effects of weather on history but also the Little Ice Age itself.

    I've seen this piece of idiocy actually quoted by people who should know better as if the idea actually had some merit beyond suggesting that getting rid of people would help cool the planet, or perhaps just getting rid of agriculture?

    As if even relatively sophisticated agriculture that wasn't any more advanced than the Romans (only without using a wheel) and we know that the Romans had viaducts and established agriculture for 500 years before the 6th-century drop in temperature that occurred at the start of the Migration Age (aka Dark Ages).
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    and the Black Death (Plague) wiped out much of the population of Europe and Asia and hmmmm did that cause a Ice Age????
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    Quote Originally Posted by cleobc View Post
    The majority of "Native Americans" were hunter/gatherers, not farmers. There is no evidence that agriculture was practiced on a scale large enough to support the millions that popular thinking now says were here--and hunting would not support that many people. I think they like to exaggerate how bad the impact of European immigration was so they can further trash western civilization. Sadly, academia is so twisted by Marxism now that they'll accept any bizarre theory.
    Worse than that, they now say Indians / White people and people in general are a plague upon society and the earth itself. They are proposing the killing of large numbers of people in order to help the climate.

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    Europeans of some description were fishing the Grand Banks (and going ashore) well before the 'first European explorers' ever showed up. And there have been at least two Roman shipwrecks found off the coast of South America.

    European contact with the New World goes back a lot longer than the geniuses in the OP either know about or would admit...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    Europeans of some description were fishing the Grand Banks (and going ashore) well before the 'first European explorers' ever showed up. And there have been at least two Roman shipwrecks found off the coast of South America.

    European contact with the New World goes back a lot longer than the geniuses in the OP either know about or would admit...
    True, I've talked about this with my husband a lot - the Europeans we KNOW were there before the Spanish were the Norse and most of them came from Greenland and Iceland; both of whom had "Island Effect" populations where not all diseases travel that far or that often; so they may simply not have been that infective.

    They also did try to form colonies and probably kept trading for wood for centuries (there are hints in the Sagas) but as far as we know contact was limited.

    Also, the Beothuck "Native Americans" were reported to have blond, red and brown hair; the Portuguese Ambassador to the court in London saw two of them dressed in full Tudor Court Fig to be presented to Henry the 8th and the Ambassador thought they were "Englishman" until he tried to talk to them.

    Since the Portuguese Ambassador would have met Asians, Spaniards and probably even Chinese; he would have likely described them as something else if they hadn't actually looked English.

    They were the tribe (now gone) that were living in the same spot as the Lief's the Lucky's colony was 500 years before and since the Sagas mention, people staying behind this was likely the result.

    Again this was on yet another Island (Newfoundland) and the Beothuck were quite isolated, they also had the only canoes known in the Americas with Viking deep ocean-going modifications.

    The Roman Shipwrecks have never been publically verified but could easily exist.

    There is also a theory I have about the new evidence for European Rats (not New World Rat) at the Norse Trading post on Baffin Island (their hairs were found); that along with the local natives saying to this day that "something terrible happened there and we never go there" has made me wonder if the European Rats brought the Black Death with them since the post was suddenly abandoned after nearly over 400 years in - you got it the last half of the 14th century.

    Now if THAT is the case, then all bets are off because it still might have been European disease that caused part of the wipeout but it might have started about 100 years before the Spanish Came.

    On the other hand, there is no evidence for that on the East Coast which had a pretty high population at the time of contact; and since most tribes do not allow the excavations of skeletons; finding any evidence would be just plain luck, like finding the Baffin Island Norse trading post in the first place.

    But I am sure there was SOME contact back and forth - we know that Lief the Lucky found out about Vinland from someone who had seen it already and one of the founding Mothers of Iceland (not Greenland) was genetically a Native American woman from the East Coast of North America.

    So by 1000 we KNOW Europeans had been there, they probably had before but finding traces of Welsh or Irish expeditions hasn't happened yet but peope do keep looking.
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    I thought Little Ice Age pushed Vikings out of NorthAmerica and Greenland.

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    I thought Little Ice Age pushed Vikings out of NorthAmerica and Greenland.
    Partly - "Skralings" also known as Native Americans are what the Saga's report chased the Norse out of North American quite literally - my husband has pointed out that weapon wise just having steel blades wasn't really enough of a superior weapon when faced with large numbers of people skilled with bows and other traditional weapons.

    The Little Iceage is believed to have been the ultimate reason the Norse left Greenland (and nearly had to evacuate Iceland) but that was in the 1400s about 80 years before the official voyages of Colombus.

    We talk about this a lot in the Solar Minimum thread if you are interested.

    There is almost 500 years from the founding of the Greenland Norse Colony in the late 900's and when the last known Europeans left around the middle of the 1400s.
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