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  1. #521
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    Serious threats here...

    Moscow strongly WARNS West against risky ideas of using force in Venezuela - Fort Russ
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    1:13 AM · Feb 9, 2019 ·https://t.co/f5l0wKGAyp?amp=1

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    Venezuela Is An Opportunity For Russia And China To Change The World

    Paul Craig Roberts

    February 8, 2019

    Nothing better illustrates Washington’s opposition to democracy and self-determination than the blatantly public coup Washington has organized against the properly elected president of Venezuela.

    Washington has been trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government for years. Washington wants the state owned oil company to be privatized so that it can fall into the hands of US oil companies. That would ensure Washington’s control over Venezuela. Transferring the wealth out of the country would prevent any economic development from inside the country. Every aspect of the economy would end up in the hands of US corporations. The exploitation would be ruthless and brutal.

    Venezuelans understand this, which is why Washington, despite wrecking the Venezuelan economy and offering enormous bribes to the Venezuelan military, has not yet been able to turn the people and the troops against Maduro.

    Moon of Alabama’s explanation of Washington’s attack on Venezuela gives you a truer picture that differs completely from the lies voiced by the American and European politicians and presstitute media, a collection of whores who are devoid of all integrity and all morality and lie for their living.

    I am not as confident as Moon of Alabama that Venezuela’s effort dating back to Chavez to be a sovereign country independent of Washington’s control can survive. Washington is determined to teach all of Latin America that it is pointless to dream of self-determination. Washington simply will not permit it.

    Maduro, despite being the duly elected president with the mass of the people and military behind him, apparently lacks the power to arrest the American puppet who, despite the absence of any law or election as a basis, has declared himself to be president, thus creating a Washington-backed “government” as an alternative to the elected one. The inability of Maduro to defend democracy from within is a sign of the weakness of his office. How can Maduro possibly be a dictator when he is helpless in the face of open sedition?

    If Russia and China quickly established a military presence in Venezuela to protect their loans and oil investments, Venezuela could be saved, and other countries that would like to be independent would take heart that, although there is no support for self-determination anywhere in the Western World, the former authoritarian countries will support it. Other assertions of independence would arise, and the Empire would collapse.

    Venezuela is an opportunity for Russia and China to assume the leadership of the world, but I doubt the Russian and Chinese governments have the vision to seize the opportunity and, thereby, fundamentally change the world.

    Putin is wasting his breath when he correctly criticizes Washington for its violations of international law. In Washington’s view, law is what serves American interest.

    Here is Moon of Alabama’s analysis: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51062.htm

    Link: https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201...nge-the-world/
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    A pretty serious warning here:

    Moscow strongly WARNS West against risky ideas of using force in Venezuela

    By Paul Antonopoulos Last updated Feb 7, 2019

    MOSCOW, Russia – Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov has stated that Russia strongly warns the West against risky ideas of pushing forward a scenario of force in Venezuela.

    For the Russian Deputy FM, “a destructive external intervention, especially a military intervention in Venezuelan internal affairs is the worst of all possible scenarios.” “It is difficult to predict its consequences, but it is clear that the hypothetical use of force in this situation will lead to a wave of bloodshed that would have consequences outside of Venezuela,” Ryabkov said.

    According to the Russian diplomat, military intervention in Venezuela’s internal affairs is the worst case scenario and its consequences will affect not only Venezuela but also other countries.

    “I emphasize that we did not want to make such predictions, we only once again give a serious warning against such adventurous ideas if they exist among some responsible politicians in the Western Hemisphere,” the deputy minister said. In addition, Russia is concerned that the participants in the contact group for Venezuela do not appear to be paying any attention to the internal dialogue in the country during the meeting in Uruguay.

    “We are concerned that, according to the information received, less attention has been paid during this event than was previously expected, when only Mexico and Uruguay had such initiative on the subject of dialogue on the subject of internal reconciliation of Venezuela,” Ryabkov explained.

    The Venezuelan political crisis worsened on January 23, after Venezuelan National Assembly chief Juan Guaidó was declared interim president of the country during anti-government protests in the streets of Caracas. President Nicolas Maduro has accused Washington of orchestrating a coup in Venezuela, calling Guaidó a “US puppet.”

    The opposition leader has been backed by the US and some other countries. Russia, China, Mexico and Turkey are among the nations that express their support for Maduro as the country’s legitimately elected head of state.

    Link: https://www.fort-russ.com/2019/02/mo...-in-venezuela/
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    Head of Southern Command on Russia in Venezuela: ‘Anything’s Possible’
    February 09, 2019 10:10 AM
    Carla Babb
    U.S. Navy Adm. Craig Faller during a change of command ceremony at the U.S. Southern Command headquarters, Nov. 26, 2018, in Doral, Fla. The ceremony appointed Faller as new leader of the command that oversees U.S. military operations in Latin America and the Caribbean.
    U.S. Navy Adm. Craig Faller during a change of command ceremony at the U.S. Southern Command headquarters, Nov. 26, 2018, in Doral, Fla. The ceremony appointed Faller as new leader of the command that oversees U.S. military operations in Latin America and the Caribbean.



    The United States should not rule out Russian military involvement in Venezuela, according to the new head of U.S. Southern Command.

    Speaking exclusively in his first in-depth interview since taking command, Navy Admiral Craig Faller told VOA that Russia was acting like a “wounded, declining bear that’s just lashing out” against democratic interests in the region.

    “I think with Russia, anything’s possible,” he said. “We’ve seen what they’ve done (in Syria), and I think we have to be prepared for what might happen in the future.”



    Head of US Southern Command on Russia in Venezuela: ‘Anything’s Possible'

    Below are excerpts from the interview:

    QUESTION: “Admiral, let’s start with Venezuela. What options have you been asked to provide for the situation in Venezuela.”

    NAVY ADMIRAL CRAIG FALLER, COMMANDER OF THE U.S. SOUTHERN COMMAND: “We’re focused on supporting a political and diplomatic solution and as you’d expect from a combatant commander we’re working to ensure that U.S. citizens and property, our diplomats that are there are safe, and so that’s where we’ve been, our efforts have been centered.”



    ​QUESTION: "So we’ve heard about sending thousands of troops to Columbia — everybody has seen National Security Advisor John Bolton’s memo. Has anybody asked you to provide that particular option?”

    FALLER: “Again, I would refer any questions on plans to the department to the secretary’s office to the National Security Council."

    QUESTION: “Are you working with your regional partners on a potential peacekeeping mission plan should the need arise?”

    FALLER: “We’re focused on what you’re seeing right now, the human suffering, the day to day alleviation of that suffering. We did our part earlier this year with the United States Naval Ship Comfort.”

    QUESTION: “But is peacekeeping forces, are those an option right now?”

    FALLER: “We were looking, as I mentioned Carla, we’re at what’s happening today and the long-term efforts beyond government transition, I’ll leave that to policy and the diplomats, and we’ll be ready and on the balls of our feet to support when asked.”

    QUESTION: “Since former Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, when we were traveling together, he mentioned the importance of identifying a problem first. So with Venezuela, what is the problem for the United States there, and can it be solved through a military solution?”

    FALLER: “Well I think looking more broadly at this hemisphere, this is our neighborhood, and we share a lot across this neighborhood: values, a respect for law, democracy, for the most part democracy, and we have common sea, land, air, cyber, space, all of the domains right here in our neighborhood and so we look at our neighborhood and there are some glaring examples of countries that aren’t democracies. Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua to name the three most glaring examples. And what you see common in these cases is the influence of Russia, and Cuba, and to some extent China.”


    ​QUESTION: “Are you concerned that Russia might do something in Venezuela like it did in Syria? Like we saw how they propped up the (Syrian President Bashar al-)Assad regime there. Could that happen again?”

    FALLER: “I think, with Russia, anything’s possible. The national defense strategy calls out competition with Russia and China specifically as areas of focus. We’ve really aligned and done a lot of thinking, planning and resourcing to those. Different cases though. China is an economic powerhouse on the rise, and they have a legitimate economic and business interest around the world. They don’t play by the rulebook though. Russia, on the other hand, is almost, you know, a wounded, declining bear that’s just lashing out, and I couldn’t predict what Russia will do, and I wouldn’t want to. We’ve seen what they’ve done, and I think we have to be prepared for what might happen in the future.”

    QUESTION: “The defeat of the Islamic state in Syria and Iraq. Your predecessor had warned of the potential for these foreign fighters that came out of your area of responsibility coming back in. Have you seen that?”

    FALLER: “So we are, we’re watching that very closely. We had a significant number of foreign fighters come out of some of our Caribbean nations and go over to Syria. We’ve seen some come back. We’ve worked with partner nations to thwart some attacks, and very successfully. And we’ve got our eye on that ball every day. And we have elements of Lebanese Hezbollah. …



    ​QUESTION: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has said that there are active cells in Venezuela. Have you seen that as well?”

    FALLER: “The long arm of Iranian malfeasance is everywhere around the world and their surrogate Lebanese Hezbollah is right at the end of that arm.”

    QUESTION: “So they are in Venezuela.”

    FALLER: “The secretary of state, I have ultimate respect for him, and he speaks truth to power.”

    https://t.co/TxrInN2Hg7?amp=1

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    Juan Guaido on Aid delivery: "I think it's going to be next week, when we have formed the corps of volunteers and organised the distribution process."
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    The back of my mind says we would be MUCH better served if we could get Fox Fallon back in harness....And have HIM handling LatAm for the near term....


    But that's just me....
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    The lights are going off on the Maduro mafia in Venezuela…
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    In midst of coup attempt, Venezuelan authorities find assault weapons, ammunition & military equipment on US plane “destined for terrorist actions financed by the fascist right & US govt” that's made 40 flights btwn Miami & Venezuela/Colombia in last month
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  9. #529
    The real problem is that it is true, Venezuelans DO understand totally that the US wants the oil company "privatized" (again for the umpteenth time) and sold off to a multinational/US corporation (again) so that 90 percent of the profits will move out of Venezuela and the other 10 percent will flow into the pockets of whoever ends up "in charge" of the country.

    That has been the historical pattern and it has led to some radical shifts in power over the use (semi-democratically since 1956) between "left" wing governments (in the 1970's) who would nationalize the oil companies and keep more money at home (and change the names on the stationery) followed by "right" wing governments that would "re-privatize" (1980s) the companies and sell them back to the US back multinationals (who ran them the entire time anyway but didn't always own them).

    Every even barely educated person in the country knows this, and heck I nearly married an engineer who worked in the Falcon plant so I heard it all from him (and his father who was in his 90's) at great length.

    At the moment, things are so bad on a daily basis that a lot of people have either left the country or are (for the moment) more interested in their next meal than in whose name is on the oil company stationary.

    But there are still enough people who do care to potentially make a difference and whom even if they hate Maduro's guts and want to see him at the bottom of the sea; will NOT WANT the US to march back in and go back to "business as usual" especially not using "gunboat" diplomacy.

    Which is why this could easily turn into Vietnam part two; complete with jungle and mountain fighting; especially if the Russians and the Chinese decide to "protect" their investments using their oil companies (who are happy to let Venezuela keep their name on the stationary as long as they get the actual oil).
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    Any company has to take on considerable risk to drill and pump oil from places like Venezuela. Risk has to always be overshadowed by rewards or the action is not taken. I do not know what the normal rates are but if the company supplies all funding, equipment, and manpower then I would think a 90/10 split is maybe about right. If the oil owners have no risk, provide no funding, provide no manpower, and their only part of the whole operation is accepting their share of the profit then that profit has to be a small percentage of the total.

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    Dem tells Venezuela’s Guaidó: ‘You don't get to authorize US military interventions’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...ze-us-military (fair use)
    BY TAL AXELROD - 02/09/19 02:55 PM EST

    Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) on Saturday warned Venezuelan opposition leader and self-proclaimed interim president Juan Guaidó against any attempt to authorize U.S. military force to strengthen his claim to power.

    “Mr. Guaido, you can proclaim yourself leader of Venezuela but you don’t get to authorize US military interventions. Only the US Congress can do that. We will not,” Khanna tweeted.

    The tweet came in response to an interview Guaidó gave on Friday in which he refused to rule out allowing U.S. forces to help push Venezuela's Nicolás Maduro from power, according to AFP.

    Guaidó told AFP that he would do “everything that is necessary ... to save human lives” while acknowledging that U.S. intervention is “a very controversial subject," the outlet reported.

    Khanna, a member of the House Armed Services Committee who describes himself as a “staunch voice for restraint in foreign policy,” slammed the Trump administration last month for recognizing Guaidó as Venezuela’s interim president.

    “The United States should not anoint the leader of the opposition in Venezuela during an internal, divided conflict," Khanna said in a statement last month."There is no doubt the Maduro’s economic policies have been terrible, and he has engaged in financial mismanagement and also political authoritarianism. But crippling sanctions and threats of military action are making life worse for ordinary Venezuelans."

    Washington recognized Guaidó, the president of Venezuela's National Assembly, as Venezuela’s interim president on Jan. 23. Canada, the Organization of American States, Brazil, Argentina, Chile and Colombia all followed suit.

    Yet Maduro, who Washington has slammed as a dictator whose policies have fueled food and medicine shortages in the country, has vowed to hold onto power. He was sworn in for a second six-year term earlier this month, but much of the international community, including the U.S., declared his election illegitimate.

    The White House has implemented sanctions against Venezuela's state-owned oil company in an attempt to ramp up pressure on Maduro and said it intends to give Guaidó control over Venezuela's foreign assets, though it is unclear if it will be able to seize the money.

    While the administration has not announced any concrete plans to use force in the Latin American country, it has not ruled out military action in the future.

    FORTE EST VINUM, FORTIOR EST REX, FORTIORES SUNT MULIERES:

    SUPER OMNIA VINCIT VERITAS.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagdid View Post
    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...ze-us-military (fair use)
    BY TAL AXELROD - 02/09/19 02:55 PM EST

    Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) on Saturday warned Venezuelan opposition leader and self-proclaimed interim president Juan Guaidó against any attempt to authorize U.S. military force to strengthen his claim to power.

    “Mr. Guaido, you can proclaim yourself leader of Venezuela but you don’t get to authorize US military interventions. Only the US Congress can do that. We will not,” Khanna tweeted.

    The tweet came in response to an interview Guaidó gave on Friday in which he refused to rule out allowing U.S. forces to help push Venezuela's Nicolás Maduro from power, according to AFP.

    Guaidó told AFP that he would do “everything that is necessary ... to save human lives” while acknowledging that U.S. intervention is “a very controversial subject," the outlet reported.

    Khanna, a member of the House Armed Services Committee who describes himself as a “staunch voice for restraint in foreign policy,” slammed the Trump administration last month for recognizing Guaidó as Venezuela’s interim president.

    “The United States should not anoint the leader of the opposition in Venezuela during an internal, divided conflict," Khanna said in a statement last month."There is no doubt the Maduro’s economic policies have been terrible, and he has engaged in financial mismanagement and also political authoritarianism. But crippling sanctions and threats of military action are making life worse for ordinary Venezuelans."

    Washington recognized Guaidó, the president of Venezuela's National Assembly, as Venezuela’s interim president on Jan. 23. Canada, the Organization of American States, Brazil, Argentina, Chile and Colombia all followed suit.

    Yet Maduro, who Washington has slammed as a dictator whose policies have fueled food and medicine shortages in the country, has vowed to hold onto power. He was sworn in for a second six-year term earlier this month, but much of the international community, including the U.S., declared his election illegitimate.

    The White House has implemented sanctions against Venezuela's state-owned oil company in an attempt to ramp up pressure on Maduro and said it intends to give Guaidó control over Venezuela's foreign assets, though it is unclear if it will be able to seize the money.

    While the administration has not announced any concrete plans to use force in the Latin American country, it has not ruled out military action in the future.
    I think under the current situation Khanna is being more than a bit naïve....

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    What?!? She wants the decision to be an internal one??? How many bodies is she willing to spot Maduro before she starts counting to decide the victor???

    Ain't simple naivete, here. At the LEAST WILFUL naivete. added to STUNNING disingenuousness.

    Since when does she PRESUME to speak for the WHOLE CONGRESS, Senate and House??? She has ONE VOTE. AND she's basically a Sophomore Rep, enjoying her 3rd year as a Rep....Yeah HER voice means something.
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    Currently the US Army will do well to get out of their own motor pools under their own power. Doesn't matter what Congress says.

    SOUTHCOM is located where now? Can you say Miami? Since 1997...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    Currently the US Army will do well to get out of their own motor pools under their own power. Doesn't matter what Congress says.

    SOUTHCOM is located where now? Can you say Miami? Since 1997...
    Well the 82nd did get its light armor back and drop qualified...

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    Here there be links in this story at the WP.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.a4cb8b638068

    This is an important story answering several interesting questions as to the legitimacy source forGuaido and for his authority and his LEGITMACY (Doz there is that word again)



    The accidental leader: How Juan Guaidó became the face of Venezuela’s uprising




    Opposition leader Juan Guaidó, left, who is recognized by many nations as Venezuela’s interim president, walks with his wife, Fabiana Rosales, into a rally on Friday in Caracas. (Michael Robinson Chavez/The Washington Post)
    By Rachelle Krygier ,
    Mary Beth Sheridan and
    Anne Gearan
    February 9 at 4:00 PM
    CARACAS, Venezuela — For about an hour, it looked as though the short, brilliant career of Juan Guaidó was over. Guaidó, a youthful Venezuelan opposition leader, was driving to a rally outside Caracas on Jan. 13, when someone yanked open the door of his blue Ford Explorer. Masked men clutching assault weapons grabbed him, shoved him into a white van and sped off. “It’s a kidnapping!” Guaidó’s supporters tweeted, as a video of the capture ricocheted around the Internet.
    And then, mysteriously, Guaidó was freed. Condemnation of the operation — carried out by President Nicolás Maduro’s feared intelligence agency — poured in from around the hemisphere. Within hours, Guaidó was telling cheering supporters: “We are not afraid!”
    “This began to create the legend of Juan Guaidó,” said Pedro Burelli, a Venezuelan opposition activist based in Washington.

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    Today, Guaidó, a 35-year-old politician who was virtually unknown abroad just two months ago, is recognized as the interim president of Venezuela by most Western countries. Guaidó — a low-key, baseball-loving engineer elected to congress in 2015 — is fielding calls from President Trump and other leaders and addressing massive protests. For the first time since coming to power in 2013, Maduro’s authoritarian, quasi-socialist government is in danger of falling.
    The story of Guaidó’s rise involves stealthy travel, diplomatic maneuvers in Washington, Canada and South America, and months of strategizing by Venezuelan activists. But it is also the story of an accidental leader who assumed his party’s mantle at the moment when it suddenly mattered.

    Venezuelans wait in line to hear Guaidó speak on Friday in Caracas. Guaidó was elected to congress in 2015. (Michael Robinson Chavez/The Washington Post)
    For Trump, Venezuela has been a priority from his first week in office, when he surprised his national security team by calling for a briefing on the oil-rich country veering toward economic collapse. “He wanted to know what we were doing and how we could do more,” recalled Fernando Cutz, a former staffer who participated in the session.

    But perhaps the most crucial event in Guaidó’s ascension was a decision on Jan. 4 by Canada and a dozen Latin American countries not to recognize Maduro when he was sworn in for a second term Jan. 10. The bloc’s foreign ministers — meeting in the Peruvian capital in a forum known as the Lima Group — had already condemned last year’s Venezuelan election as fraudulent.
    “The trigger was the Lima Group’s declaration,” said Julio Borges, an influential Venezuelan opposition leader exiled in Colombia. “They didn’t recognize Maduro, so it was clear executive powers had to be transferred to the legislature.”
    The next day, the legislature swore in its new leader: Juan Gerardo Guaidó.
    Passion for politics
    Venezuela’s opposition has long been led by wealthy light-skinned professionals who dominated politics and business before the rise of leftist Hugo Chávez in the late 1990s. Guaidó’s upbringing was more modest. The son of a commercial pilot and a teacher, he had six siblings and half-siblings. When he was 16, flash floods hit his hometown on the Caribbean coast, killing several of his friends. “The importance of resilience has been etched into my soul ever since,” he wrote recently in the New York Times.

    He studied engineering at Andres Bello Catholic University, but politics quickly emerged as his passion. “He started working with these student activists, and then it became his life,” his younger brother Gustavo recalled. In 2007, Juan Guaidó helped lead student protests against the Chávez government.

    Guaidó and his security detail at the rally. (Michael Robinson Chavez/The Washington Post)
    Guaidó soon began working with Leopoldo López, a charismatic Harvard-educated former mayor and opposition leader who would form the Popular Will movement in 2009. López was later jailed on what were widely viewed as trumped-up charges of inciting violence, but he was released to house arrest in 2017.
    This past summer, despite the presence of intelligence police around his home in Caracas, López began an intense round of strategy sessions with Guaidó and opposition activists such as Borges, María Corina Machado and Antonio Ledezma, using encrypted channels.

    Their strategy was to refuse to recognize Maduro after his Jan. 10 inauguration. But the activists debated whether to form a transition council or do something bolder — invoke a constitutional clause to pronounce the head of the opposition-dominated congress the temporary head of state. Never mind that Maduro had largely sidelined the congress, known as the National Assembly. “We spent hours and days deciding what to do,” said Borges.
    López’s Popular Will party was to assume the leadership of the congress in early January. With many of the party’s officials detained or in exile, Guaidó was chosen in November as its standard-bearer.
    “Guaidó’s low-key background helped people trust him, and he also had a good relationship with other parties,” said a senior party official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of political sensitivities.

    Suddenly, foreign countries noticed the long-squabbling opposition coming together.
    “They were sending a message to us: ‘You give us this international support; we’re going to make a run at this,’* ”said a Canadian official who requested anonymity to discuss diplomatic matters. “We took them at their word.”
    Growing frustration

    Venezuela’s Guaido calls humanitarian aid block 'absurd'



    Venezuela's Maduro blocked a border with Colombia to stop humanitarian aid from entering the country, a move opposition leader Juan Guaidó calls “absurd." (Reuters)
    In Western capitals and inside Venezuela, frustration had been building with the Maduro government’s mismanagement, corruption and authoritarian style. By 2019, inflation was hurtling toward 10 million percent, food and medicine were running out, and at least 3 million Venezuelans had fled the country.
    But within Venezuela, there seemed to be no political figure able to rally exasperated citizens.
    “It has to come from within,” noted a White House official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss U.S. deliberations. “And that happened with Guaidó.”

    In mid-December, 97 percent of Venezuelans surveyed had never heard of the lanky, 6-foot-2 politician, according to Delphos, a Caracas-based polling firm. Four weeks later, nearly 60 percent of the population supported him.
    It wasn’t that Guaidó had an unusual message; he called for early elections, international humanitarian aid and the rule of law. But before crowds, he projected resolve and cheerful informality, responding to shouts for change with answers such as, “Yes, of course, my love. Soon!”
    “He’s a typical, standard Venezuelan type. He’s brown-skinned, isn’t fat or too skinny. He’s physically appealing, as is his wife, and he has a cute little daughter. The image is ideal,” said Félix Seijas, head of Delphos.
    Guaidó’s detention on Jan. 13 only increased his name recognition. Vice President Pence called the young politician to express support. “Concern for his safety and his family’s safety” was a factor in U.S. recognition of Guaidó, said a second White House official, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity.

    The Maduro government says the detention was a rogue operation and has arrested several intelligence agents involved.
    Several weeks earlier, Guaidó had visited Washington, crossing the lawless border with Colombia to avoid detention at a Venezuelan airport, opposition leaders said. He was little known in the nation’s capital but had the backing of figures such as López. “That allowed him to instantly plug into networks that the opposition had taken years to develop,” said Dan Erikson, a White House adviser on Latin America during the Obama administration.
    Among those Guaidó met was Luis Almagro, the head of the Organization of American States — and a proponent of turning over power to the National Assembly leader. Guaidó phoned Almagro after their Dec. 14 meeting and said he would need the support of the United States, Colombia and Brazil, according to a senior OAS official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive political developments.

    Through the first three weeks of January, Venezuelan opposition leaders quietly sent emissaries to foreign governments and the military to gauge reaction to Guaidó declaring himself president, possibly at a rally in Caracas on Jan. 23.
    On the day before, Trump was briefed several times about Venezuela, according to the second White House official. Lawmakers from Florida, including Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, an outspoken critic of Maduro, personally urged Trump to back Guaidó. That night, Pence called Guaidó, pledging U.S. backing if the Venezuelan followed constitutional order, the White House official said.
    “Obviously, we wanted to make sure the next day was peaceful, and the actions constitutional,” the official said. With the support of most of the hemisphere, Guaidó stood before a crowd on Jan. 23 and swore to assume the powers of the presidency.
    Guaidó’s path forward remains difficult. Maduro has rejected his assumption of power, as have Russia and China. Leaders of the military have so far stood with Maduro, although there appears to be dissent in the ranks. There are daunting challenges in setting up eventual elections. “A transitional government is not something you decree,” Guaidó told The Washington Post on Jan. 27. “You construct it.”

    People wait in line at the rally. “It has to come from within,” a White House official said of the Venezuelan opposition. “And that happened with Guaidó.” (Michael Robinson Chavez/The Washington Post)
    Meanwhile, he faces a continued risk of detention. “I think the reason why I haven’t been jailed is probably because of all the international support and the commotion within the armed forces,” Guaidó told The Post.
    In late January, he tweeted that agents from a notorious police unit went to his apartment building in Caracas, asking for his wife, Fabiana Rosales. He rushed home. To his relief, his wife and daughter Miranda Eugenia were unharmed.
    Police have denied harassing the family.
    Sheridan reported from Mexico City and Gearan from Washington. Carol Morello, John Hudson and Emily Rauhala in Washington and Anthony Faiola in Miami contributed to this story.
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    RULE 1:
    THEY want you DEAD.

    "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my brothers' children (and their parents) may have peace, and have NO KNOWLEDGE of what I have done."

    TACAMO!! NOW!!

  17. #537
    Sorry but after more than 100 years after the "investments" most Venezuelans do not look kindly on the 90/10 split when it comes to profits; they also know that nationalization can be done that sometimes benefits the citizens (it doesn't always) as was done in the 1970s when thousands of students, many from extremely poor backgrounds (I know because I visited some of their homes) were given scholarships to study mostly STEM subjects with the provision they had to work at least 5 years in their home country (or their new employer had to pay the full cost of their education back to the government).

    During that period SOME of the money that didn't go into political pockets also repaired roads, bridges etc all of which pretty much stopped in the 1980s when the Big Oil companies took over again and helped lead to the rise of Chavez; he didn't become popular out of thin air or because the average person was a socialist - people just wanted things to work again.

    Also, Chavez stayed in power because unlike Maduro he was both Charismatic and Smart; whereas The Bus Driver has zero Charisma and seems pretty stupid; plus Chavez was a trained military officer and knew whose bread to butter.

    Chavez took the one segment of the Venezuelan population who never seemed to benefit much from any type of government or economic policy and gave them everything they could dream of; mostly by taking it from others - that is the urban and to a lesser extent the extremely poor.

    Some of his programs will continue to be lights in an otherwise very dark period such as his promotion and funding of classical music education among the poorest children of Caracas, which is why for the next 50 years some of the world's greatest classical musicians will be from people who otherwise would never have even seen a violin, piano, opera or tuba except on a TV set.

    Of course, the money to fund programs like that along with nearly free food and actual school buildings with textbooks came from taking it from other people and destroying the overall economy - but this is why there will always be some people who celebrate the memory of Chavez rather than hate him.

    Maduro was able to ski on that background for a long time but now that the poor are starving again, and the military isn't always being fed much less paid; his days are probably numbered with or without the US.

    Like most world events, the reality on the ground is pretty local as well as international and it is complex and complicated - not nearly as simple as either the Venezuelan or the US Pentagon/CIA propaganda machines want to make it look like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melodi View Post
    During that period SOME of the money that didn't go into political pockets also repaired roads, bridges etc all of which pretty much stopped in the 1980s when the Big Oil companies took over again and helped lead to the rise of Chavez; he didn't become popular out of thin air or because the average person was a socialist - people just wanted things to work again.
    Per bolded - pay attention, here, folks - a human truism, no matter the participants.

    Collectively - we must be able to look into the rear-view mirror, in order to see where we must go.


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    Venezuela to commence 5-day military drills today

    Venezuela to commence 5-day military drills today
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    1:21 PM · Feb 10, 2019 ·
    https://t.co/9FjcylrRQS?amp=1

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    Chief of Southern Command says Pompeo is correct: Hezbollah is in Venezuela (+ Video)

    ¡CONTUNDENTE! Jefe del Comando Sur dice que Pompeo está en lo correcto: Hezbolá sí está en Venezu...
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    You think the US will demand they hand them over? Don’t think they’re actually there but could be used as a cassus belli.

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    Venezuela's Guaido warns military over blocked aid (link: https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2019/0...la-guaido-aid/) rte.ie/news/world/201… via
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    Venezuela's Guaido warns military over blocked aid
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    As Maduro Digs in, His Aides Hunt for an Emergency Escape Route Nicolas Maduro is under pressure at home and abroad, and being encouraged by the U.S. to go to "a nice beach somewhere far from Venezuela." The question is where would -- or could -- he go?

    The Venezuelan leader has held on for years in the face of protests, a collapsed economy and international sanctions, via a tight grip on the military and by cracking down on the opposition. But the stress has never been greater. The financial noose is tightening globally, many neighbors and western nations are calling on him to hold elections or step aside, and the opposition has galvanized under Juan Guaido into a more cohesive force.


    Maduro has insisted publicly he’s going nowhere and a departure could be several steps away, if it happened at all. He has spoken frequently to denounce what he says are U.S.-led coup efforts against him, and all signs are he is digging in. Still, contingency plans are being drawn up in case he needs to leave Venezuela at short notice, according to four people with knowledge of the discussions.

    Any potential safe havens bring risks, both for Maduro and the countries involved. While the U.S. has said he should leave, it may not take too kindly to any nation that gave him sanctuary. And Maduro would want to feel safe from the reach of Venezuelan and international law.Some unsurprising destinations are being discussed, including Cuba, Russia and Turkey. In Cuba, the communist government of Miguel Diaz-Canel is an ideological ally to Maduro’s Bolivarian republic.

    Some conversations have also taken place about the possibility of him going to Mexico, two of the people said, asking not to be identified given the sensitivity of the matter. President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador is one of a handful of Latin American leaders not to have recognized Guaido, the National Assembly leader, as Venezuela’s rightful president. Maduro attended Lopez Obrador’s inauguration in December.



    Discussions have been stepped up because Maduro’s wife Cilia Flores -- who has two nephews serving 18 years in a U.S. prison for conspiring to traffic cocaine -- is raising pressure on her husband to have a plan B ready, another person said. Venezuela’s information ministry did not respond to requests for comment.

    “I think it is better for the transition to democracy in Venezuela that he be outside the country,” Elliott Abrams, U.S. Secretary of State Michael Pompeo’s special representative for Venezuela, said of Maduro. “And there are a number of countries that I think would be willing to accept him,” he told reporters, citing “friends in places like Cuba and Russia.”

    The fate of Maduro, his family and top lieutenants is key to any transition of power in Venezuela, an OPEC member whose population is suffering chronic shortages of food, medicines and basic amenities. A summit of European and Latin American countries held in the Uruguayan capital Montevideo last week agreed to work toward a peaceful political process that leads to new presidential elections in Venezuela.


    Speaking in Washington last week, Abrams said that countries other than Russia and Cuba “have come to us privately and said they’d be willing to take members of the current illegitimate regime if it would help the transition.” He declined to name them.

    Any flight to Cuba by Maduro or his people would give the U.S. justification to put Havana back on the radar, said a person familiar with the thinking, citing the potential for evidence linking some officials to drug or weapons trafficking in the region. It would allow Washington to push ahead with a package of extraordinary measures targeting Cuba for encouraging state-sponsored terrorism across the region, the person said.Jorge Rodriguez, Venezuela’s communications minister, was in Mexico last month around the time of a visit by Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez. A person with knowledge of the conversations said they were focused around Mexico’s potential as a conduit for dialogue between Maduro and the opposition. Another person said the topic of possible escape routes had come up late last year.

    Jesús Ramírez, a spokesman for Lopez Obrador, declined to comment. Mexico hasn’t offered Maduro asylum, according to a foreign ministry official who asked not to be identified. A spokesperson for Sanchez wasn’t immediately available for comment.


    At his daily news conference on Friday, Lopez Obrador reiterated his government is guided by the constitutional prohibition on intervening in the affairs of other nations but would be open to helping mediate a dialogue between the two sides in Venezuela.

    Mexico has a long tradition of granting asylum to foreign leaders. The Shah of Iran, who fled during the revolution in 1979, took refuge in the resort city of Cuernavaca, with former U.S. President Richard Nixon coming to visit him. Soviet Marxist Leon Trotsky, who became an exile after clashing with Joseph Stalin, moved to Mexico in 1937 and was welcomed by leftist President Lazaro Cardenas, who is a hero for Lopez Obrador.

    There is the possibility Maduro could seek refuge further afield if he decided to leave. A French official said the issue of Maduro’s fate is under active discussion in the international community, though a solution has yet to be found.

    An added complication surrounds what to do with the vice president of Maduro’s United Socialist Party, Diosdado Cabello, according to another person with knowledge of the deliberations. Prosecutors in the U.S. have been compiling evidence against Cabello since at least 2015 on alleged drug trafficking, as the Wall Street Journal and Spanish daily ABC reported at the time.

    The air is getting thinner for Maduro either way. The economy is in free fall, oil exports are subject to U.S. sanction, rank-and-file soldiers are deserting the military, while the International Monetary Fund said that it sees hyperinflation and outward migration intensifying this year. Russia, a traditional ally, is showing signs of doubt over Maduro’s ability to hold on to power.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...y-escape-route

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    ELINT News Retweeted
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    Today on CBC Radio I heard the Ambassador of #Venezuela to #Canada (appointes by Guaido) to say that they (the interim government) would think on evoking the R2P concept of the UN if the humanitarian help doesn't reach the people of Venezuela.

    Music to #Bolton's ears...
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    http://www.earlywarningreport.com/books-6confused.html

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    10h10 hours ago

    Maduro today...

    The Venezuelan Army, FANB, has trained over 10.500 members of the militia, as snipers.

    Another 5,400 members trained as operators of the infrared homing surface-to-air missile Igla-s system.

    "5,400 missiles ready from our communities and mountains."
    Are You... Liberal? Conservative? or Confused? by Richard J. Maybury

    http://www.earlywarningreport.com/books-6confused.html

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    You do know that nothing has changed in the world order. You sell oil in US dollars or we will make you do it. It has been that way for over 100 years. Otherwise we do not care what kind of government you have.
    "When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law." ~ Frederic Bastiilt

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    La Orchila
    Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez was imprisoned on the island during the April 2002 coup.
    Has nice beaches and a recently extended runway for heavy transport planes as well as bombers.

    FORTE EST VINUM, FORTIOR EST REX, FORTIORES SUNT MULIERES:

    SUPER OMNIA VINCIT VERITAS.


  28. #548
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    Breaking: Juan Guaido calls for a multinational force to enter Venezuela to distribute and protect Humanitarian aid.EndGameWW3 Retweeted

    EndGameWW3


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    Juan Guaido: We call on the National Assembly to activate Constitutional Article 187.11 - to authorize the use of a multinational force,

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    CNW
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    2h2 hours ago

    CONFIRMED: A video taken this morning shows a Venezuelan S-125 Air Defence support convoy passing trough San Cristobal in Táchira.

    Link: https://twitter.com/ConflictsW
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bean Pole View Post
    CNW
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    CONFIRMED: A video taken this morning shows a Venezuelan S-125 Air Defence support convoy passing trough San Cristobal in Táchira.

    Link: https://twitter.com/ConflictsW
    That is the main town before the border and Cucuta; I spent two Christmases and it is up in the Andes Mountains, not the highest ones but mountains none the less.
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    23m23 minutes ago

    According to my source, US Socom units staged and ready.

    He said battle plans are waiting orders.

    Spec ops > Marines > Army
    All with USAF and USN support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bean Pole View Post
    EndGameWW3
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    23m23 minutes ago

    According to my source, US Socom units staged and ready.

    He said battle plans are waiting orders.

    Spec ops > Marines > Army
    All with USAF and USN support.
    My actual response to this is not repeatable on a family forum, let's just say "Holy Molly Batman, this could be a very bumpy ride!"
    expatriate Californian living in rural Ireland with husband, dogs, horses. garden and many, many cats

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melodi View Post
    My actual response to this is not repeatable on a family forum, let's just say "Holy Molly Batman, this could be a very bumpy ride!"
    My thoughts too Melodi. Uneasy feeling here, no doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melodi View Post
    My actual response to this is not repeatable on a family forum, let's just say "Holy Molly Batman, this could be a very bumpy ride!"
    Uhoh. Melody cursing in comic bookese is joining panic sex ladies' panties dropping and Cappy's beard shaving as portents!
    Thoughts are things. Thus I'm careful of the thoughts I think, & the company I keep.

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    And I thought Russia was going to install missiles in Venezuela aimed at the United States. Plan failed when their economy collapsed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jward View Post
    Uhoh. Melody cursing in comic bookese is joining panic sex ladies' panties dropping and Cappy's beard shaving as portents!
    That's hilarious! Especially since it is my husband that actually reads the comic books - I just grew up with the TV series Lol!

    What I actually said was closer to "Orish" and started with an F and ended with what my late Mother used to say was an H and E and a double toothpick; but I really hate actually cussing when writing on the forum; especially when there are so many other creative ways to say the same thing.

    On a serious note, my friend the Priest "V" just posted for the first time in weeks on facebook - just a picture of Jesus holding a baby in his arms; the baby is swaddled in a Venezuelan flag.

    I think a lot of people both inside and outside the country are holding their breath...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bean Pole View Post
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    Maduro today...

    The Venezuelan Army, FANB, has trained over 10.500 members of the militia, as snipers.

    Another 5,400 members trained as operators of the infrared homing surface-to-air missile Igla-s system.

    "5,400 missiles ready from our communities and mountains."
    That's a lot of MANPADS to be poised to be "in the wind".

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    What kind of functionality does Venezuela's military have?
    I'm assuming a good percentage of it's actuall soldiers have left already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macgyver View Post
    What kind of functionality does Venezuela's military have?
    I'm assuming a good percentage of it's actuall soldiers have left already.
    Remember there aren't just Venezuelans involved but also Russian "contractors" and Cuban troops as well as possibly more than just a few IRGC and Hezbollah members there as well (never mind potentially FARC and ELN)....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Housecarl View Post
    Remember there aren't just Venezuelans involved but also Russian "contractors" and Cuban troops as well as possibly more than just a few IRGC and Hezbollah members there as well (never mind potentially FARC and ELM)....
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