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WAR Venezuela Regime Change - Ongoing Civil Strife and New National Power Outages
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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by mzkitty View Post
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    #BREAKING : The United States will not remove their diplomats from Venezuela as the President that's recognised by the US government did not ask them to do so .
    Oh, that's brutal, and they are being betrayed.
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    Recognising Juan Guaido as president of Venezuela:

    - US
    - Canada
    - Brazil
    - Paraguay
    - Colombia
    - Argentina
    - Peru
    - Ecuador
    - Costa Rica
    - Chile
    - Guatemala
    - Panama
    - Honduras
    - Kosovo
    - Georgia
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    Fox reporting wire services are saying at least 7 killed in tonight's protests in Venezuela...

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    #BREAKING
    13 dead in two days of Venezuela unrest, says rights group - AFP


    I think this says young person assassinated:

    Andrés Cano
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    #Venezuela otro joven asesinado por el narco dictador Maduro que dió orden de disparar a matar en #BARINAS

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    So when's the Revolution? God or Money? Choose.

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    #BREAKING Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says U.S. diplomats will stay in Venezuela as Nicolas Maduro lacks authority to break ties with Washington DC and expel Embassy personnel
    #SecDef #SOUTHCOM #SecState #WednesdayWisdom #WallStreet #NYC #SOTU #Caracas
    So when's the Revolution? God or Money? Choose.

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    #Update number 1 to the big map. Countries added:
    -#Guaidó: El Salvador, Denmark, Honduras, Panama, Georgia, Kosovo, Uruguay
    -#Maduro: Iran. #China, #DPRK, #Syria all likely to follow, no announcements yet.
    As previously stated, we aren't marking the EU, but they are pro-Guaidó:



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    Hmmm............


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    #BREAKING An uncharted Russian plane (Gulfstream G550) has now landed in Venezuela. Maduro's rule may soon be over. Screengrab via @flightradar24
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    So when's the Revolution? God or Money? Choose.

  8. #128
    Oh please, just let him leave! Frustrating to have him living in a luxury flat in Moscow but better than a Civil War; I think my friend that I've known for decades that married a Venzeulan over 40 years ago (he was also a close friend) has gone back to the US but I'm not sure; nothing on her Facebook page.

    She was with him over Christmas and I think had planned to stay but I'm pretty sure he got wind of something coming and put her on a plane last week but I'm not sure - I don't want to bother her but I keep checking the facebook page.

    No word from "V" the Priest either but I'm checking.
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    Strategic Sentinel Retweeted Travel - State Dept

    The State Department has issued a travel advisory for #Venezuela, and will be accepting US citizens who need emergency services tomorrow from 08:00 AM to 3:00 PM local time. US citizens are advised to avoid demonstrations and large gatherings.

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    #Venezuela Security Alert: protests may continue through the week. The US Embassy will receive US citizens needing emergency services on Jan 24; however, visa appts are cancelled. US citizens are advised to avoid demonstrati…
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    كَوْن مُوازٍ Retweeted Observatorio de Conflictos

    According to local reports in Venezuela , at least 13 protesters were killed by Maduro regime forces during the nation wide protests
    #VenezuelaLibre

    كَوْن مُوازٍ added,
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    #23Ene Hasta las 7.40 pm se confirman 13 personas asesinadas en protestas. Este balance solo incluye a víctimas con identificación confirmada.…
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    كَوْن مُوازٍ Retweeted TVVenezuela Noticias

    The Supreme Court judges that were unconstitutionally appointed by Maduro just “annulled” the decision of the National Assembly head Juan Guaidó to declare himself the president of Venezuela ����*♂️
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    #BREAKING: The US will take appropriate action and hold anyone accountable if they endanger the safety of US personnel. This comes after the US saying that Maduro's diplomatic break between the two countries is invalid - @MSNBC
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  13. #133
    Any reports of Cuban military or Little Green Men showing up in Venezuela?


    NW

  14. #134
    Stratfor‏Verified account @Stratfor · 2h2 hours ago

    Opposition leader #JuanGuaido has offered an amnesty to any members of #Venezuela's #military — whose loyalty is key to the government retaining power — who rebel against President Maduro

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  16. #136
    Rumor has it that the opposition leader is being sheltered in the Colombian Embassy. Venezuelans, who have routinely ridiculed followers of Yeshua, are now calling on God to save them. Opposition leader makes frequent references to God. This is a cultural sea change, in a country of Santero adherents.!

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    OIL. I doubt the US would consider going into Venezuela for sugar can and balsa wood.
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  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by joannita View Post
    Rumor has it that the opposition leader is being sheltered in the Colombian Embassy. Venezuelans, who have routinely ridiculed followers of Yeshua, are now calling on God to save them. Opposition leader makes frequent references to God. This is a cultural sea change, in a country of Santero adherents.!
    My friend "V" the Priest would dispute that all Venezuelans practice versions of Santero; there was an officially sanctioned revival of sorts of some of the insidiousness religions under Chavez and all the Carribean countries have some portions of the population that practice versions of Santeria, Vodone and related Afro-Carribean religions including officially Communist Cuba.

    Also, Venezuela (like Ireland and many Catholic countries) has always had a lot of folk traditions with local "Santos" that the Catholic Church doesn't recognize that are often historically religious people or like "St. Brigit" in Ireland (who is recognized by the Church) are almost certainly holdovers from pre-Christian tradition but part of the usual Catholicism for over 500 years now.

    I have posted a picture of "V's" congregation in their too-large clothing (from starvation) still celebrating mass and him and his fellow monks and priests trying to provide food for them.

    I am neither Catholic nor Christian so I don't have a dog in this race but I think you are painting a pretty broad brush here.

    Oh, and calling on God in extreme situations is perfectly normal in most Spanish speaking countries, which doesn't for a moment mean people are not sincere right now when they do it.
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  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Old Gray Mare View Post
    OIL. I doubt the US would consider going into Venezuela for sugar can and balsa wood.
    Of course, this is what it has been about all along; in the past 100 plus years Venezuela has gone back and forth between "Right-wing governments" that love multinational corporations (for their own cut) who let them take almost all the oil out of Venezuela followed by "left-wing" government that "nationalize" the oil companies (and give themselves a cut) and occasionally (as in the 1970's) spend some money on their own population (like funding a massive number of international students to study science, economics, agriculture etc which is how I met people) but most of the time just changing the names on the stationary and keeping the money.

    For the last couple of decades, the US and "the multinationals/Big Oil" kept betting the "usual" pattern would follow if they just kept severe sanctions on Chavez/Maduro and play up their claims to be "socialist" (like every other government for the last 100 plus years had done) and figured in four or five years the whole thing would fold and the West/Big Oil would have its oil fields back.

    That didn't work, "they" are really tired of the situation that failed in more ways than one; including resulting in a population too scared, starved and in despair to really revolt on their own, or do much of anything except start walking out of the country - city people even walking over the Andes Mountains or through the terrifying Amazon jungle - that is desperation.

    So now, the US and Big Oil (and friends) are finally trying to "sort things," I do hope they sort - no one likes "The Bus Driver" or what is happening to the country, but I'm not pretending this is a totally "internal" revolution either.

    No one has ever heard of this "new President" until a few days ago outside the country (and not much inside), he's exactly the sort of "don't I look handsome in my suit" type of orator that the Powers that Be love see "taking over" countries which have proved "difficult."

    He may do just fine, he may be a totally corporate shill (like Karzai in Afghanistan) that remains to be seen, so far he has to get control of more than just a few buildings (or the Colombian embassy) before we will get a chance to find out.
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  20. #140

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    Russia warns U.S. against military intervention in Venezuela Jan. 24, 2019, 5:45 AM EST / Updated Jan. 24, 2019, 7:26 AM EST
    By Reuters
    MOSCOW — Russia warned the U.S. on Thursday not to intervene militarily in Venezuela, saying such a move would trigger a catastrophe.

    Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido declared himself interim president on Wednesday, winning the backing of Washington and prompting socialist incumbent Nicolas Maduro to sever diplomatic relations with the United States. Violence flared during big protests across Venezuela, and at least seven deaths were reported.

    In an interview with Russian journal International Affairs published on Thursday, Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Moscow would stand with Venezuela to protect its sovereignty and the principle of non-interference in its domestic affairs.

    Image: Venezuela's National Assembly head Juan Guaido iVenezuela's National Assembly head Juan Guaido declares himself the country's "acting president" during a mass opposition rally on Wednesday.Federico Parra / AFP - Getty Images
    Asked about the prospect of U.S. military intervention in Venezuela, Ryabkov said Washington should steer well clear.

    "We warn against that," he said. "We consider that would be a catastrophic scenario that would shake the foundations of the development model which we see in Latin America."

    President Donald Trump has promised to use the "full weight" of U.S. economic and diplomatic power to push for the restoration of Venezuela's democracy.

    The prospect of Maduro being ousted is a geopolitical and economic headache for Moscow which, alongside China, has become a lender of last resort for Caracas, lending it billions of dollars as its economy implodes. Millions of people have fled the country in recent years to escape sky-high inflation and food shortages.





    Ryabkov did not mention Maduro by name, but made clear Moscow backed his government.

    "Venezuela is friendly to us and is our strategic partner," he said. "We have supported them and will support them."

    Russia has also provided military support to Maduro, who has led the oil-rich nation since 2013.

    Two Russian strategic bombers capable of carrying nuclear weapons landed in Venezuela last month in a show of a support that infuriated Washington.





    Maduro visited Moscow in December, seeking Russia's political and financial support.

    China also called on the U.S. to stay out of Venezuela's political crisis and said it opposes all outside intervention there. Over the last decade, China has given Venezuela $65 billion in loans, cash and investment. Venezuela owes more than $20 billion.

    Iran described the opposition's claim there that it holds the presidency as a "coup" and an attempt to take over power unlawfully.


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    And a senior official said Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had called Maduro to voice his support. Presidential spokesman Ibrahim Kalin tweeted early Thursday that the leader of the NATO member told Maduro: "'My brother Maduro! Stay strong, we are by your side.'"

    However, while the European Union called for Venezuelan authorities to respect the "civil rights, freedom and safety" of Guaido it stopped short of following Washington and recognizing him as interim president.

    Guaido, 35, was a virtually unknown lawmaker at the start of the year.


    Tensions began ramping up earlier this month as Maduro took the oath of office for a second six-year term won in an election last May that many in the region contend was not free or fair because his strongest opponents were barred from running.

    But Guaido declared Wednesday that the constitution gives him, as president of the congress, the authority to take over as interim president and form a transitional government.https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/r...ezuela-n962091

  21. #141
    Guaido looks weasely also; probably a commie in disguise.

    Can’t be any worse though, and thank goodness the US is backing him; we’ve got a great record of success after governments topple..............

  22. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by smith357 View Post
    Guaido looks weasely also; probably a commie in disguise.

    Can’t be any worse though, and thank goodness the US is backing him; we’ve got a great record of success after governments topple..............
    I am guessing he is more likely a corporate/CIA supported Shill myself but commie is always possible; I know he says he is "left" but remember in Latin America that doesn't mean what it does exactly in the US.

    Anyone going for this position is likely to say that so as to reassure the public they don't want to lead a "right-wing junta" with a return to torture and other practices previous such governments have used (as is the current one).

    Because no one knows a thing about him, all bets are off; but given the history of Latin America (which I studied on a university level) if the CIA isn't involved (or their related "companies" and "organizations") I would be very-very surprised.
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    RUSSIA CALLS FOR ABANDONING IDEAS OF ARMED INTERFERENCE IN #VENEZUELA'S AFFAIRS - LAVROV: IFX. #OOTTELINT News Retweeted

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    RUSSIA WILLING TO ALIGN WITH ALL COUNTRIES CONCERNED TO HELP CREATE CONDITIONS FOR VENEZUELANS TO START INTERNAL DIALOGUE - LAVROV: IFX. #OOTT

  24. #144
    Venezuelan Political Crisis Boosts Oil Prices; U.S. takes on Venezuela's leftist authoritarian president, threatens sanctions on the country's oil industry

    Thursday, January 24, 2019, 6:09 AM ET
    By Christopher Alessi
    Wall Street Journal

    • Oil prices ticked up Thursday morning after coming under heavy selling pressure this week, helped by further potential risks to Venezuelan crude supply.
    • Brent crude, the global benchmark, was up 0.21% at $61.27 a barrel on London's Intercontinental Exchange .
    • West Texas Intermediate futures, the U.S. oil standard, were up 0.38% at $52.82 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange .

    HIGHLIGHTS

    Venezuela: The Trump administration on Wednesday recognized the opposition leader of the oil-rich country as its legitimate head of state just minutes after Juan Guaido declared himself interim president. The U.S. also threatened to impose sanctions on Venezuela's oil industry that could further hobble the country's exports. "Oil prices are likely to profit from this in the short term given that the U.S. recently imported approximately 350,000 barrels of crude oil from Venezuela," according to analysts at Commerzbank.

    "The big question is whether political turmoil in Venezuela is going to escalate to ultimately negatively impact domestic crude oil output… a supply disruption would certainly be oil price supportive," said Harry Tchilinguirian, head of commodity research at BNP Paribas . "Moreover, developments in Venezuela take on an even greater importance for the oil market considering that the country holds the rotating presidency of OPEC this year," he added.

    U.S. Inventories: The American Petroleum Institute , an industry group, said Wednesday that U.S. crude stockpiles had built by 6.6 million barrels last week, while refined product stocks also grew. "The crude build stands out in particular, given that the Saudis appear to have had a strategy since November to reduce flows to the U.S.," said Warren Patteron, head of commodity strategy at ING Bank .

    INSIGHT

    Global Economy: Increased risks to global economic growth have weighed on oil prices this week. As leading government officials and business executives meet at the World Economic Forum in Davos, the International Monetary Fund warned of economic risks around the globe —including the U.S-China trade dispute, Brexit and a slowdown in the Chinese economy. The IMF lowered its global growth forecast to 3.5%, down from 3.7%.

    OPEC+: The oil complex has overall been supported since the beginning of the year by the start of production cuts from the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries and its allies. OPEC and 10 producers outside the cartel, led by Russia, agreed late last year to hold back crude output by a collective 1.2 million barrels a day for the first half of 2019, part of an effort to mop up a burgeoning supply glut and bolster prices.

    Oil prices have risen by roughly 20% since reaching annual lows at the end of December. But prices had plunged by around 40% during the fourth quarter of 2018 from four-year highs at the start of October.

    Write to Christopher Alessi at christopher.alessi@wsj.com

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    LAVROV SAYS U.S.' RECOGNITION OF GUAIDO INDICATES U.S. PLAYED DIRECT ROLE IN #VENEZUELA CRISIS
    I could easily believe this^^

    I can smell the US aid flowing to Venezuela already.
    I wish we could just stay out of other countries.

  26. #146
    "Moreover, developments in Venezuela take on an even greater importance for the oil market considering that the country holds the rotating presidency of OPEC this year,"

    OK, that explains one of my main questions, "why now?" the Big Oil/multinational/US/Western powers that be really can't stomach having Maduro in charge of OPEC even in a semi-symbolic way.

    Oh what a tangled web we weave...
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    Melodi & hiwall, you are both correct. Watch the Florida Maquis' installment from late last night on this scenario. It's 12:39 long. Subject:
    PRESIDENT NICOLAS MADURO OF VENEZUELA PROVED *HE* IS THE TRUE LEADER OF THAT NATION!


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    Hezbollah "stresses that it stands with Nicolas Maduro and his elected government."
    https://alahednews.com.lb/fastnewsde...php?fstid=6360

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    Hezbollah issues statement condemning "blatant American intervention [in attempt] to destabilize Venezuela, and strongly condemns attempted coup against the country's legitimate authority," Maduro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melodi View Post

    OK, that explains one of my main questions, "why now?"

    Oh what a tangled web we weave...
    Now Melodi, you know Uncle Sam's biggest concern the world over has always been preventing hunger and suffering. /sarc

    If Uncle Sam wants to stay home and leave the world to its own devices, I'm fine with that. If Uncle Sam wants to rid the world of despots, down to the very last one, I could maybe go alone with that too. Picking and choosing your despot of the week in accordance with what currency they want to use to buy/sell oil or by the amount of hydrocarbons they control pisses me off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hiwall View Post
    I could easily believe this^^

    I can smell the US aid flowing to Venezuela already.
    I wish we could just stay out of other countries.

    I can ding Trump on this one. Don't we have enough damn problems that we have to get involved down there? When the people get tired of starving they'll overthrow him on their own or the military will take over with no help needed from us.
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    #BREAKING: Russian President Putin has had a phone call with Venezuela’s Maduro- IFX citing Kremlin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hfcomms View Post
    I can ding Trump on this one. Don't we have enough damn problems that we have to get involved down there? When the people get tired of starving they'll overthrow him on their own or the military will take over with no help needed from us.
    I question just how much any US President is in-the-loop on some of our actions in other countries. Trump obviously knows what we know and more but he might not know anything about any involvement we might of had to get this rolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiwall View Post
    I could easily believe this^^

    I can smell the US aid flowing to Venezuela already.
    I wish we could just stay out of other countries.



    And I fervently wish the people from other countries would stay the hell out of the US.

    So far, only words.
    Brazil and Columbia may do the heavy lifting on this one.
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    Russia probably offering a back-door - plane on the runway warmed up and ready for Maduro. That would be the most welcome outcome.

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    RUSSIA HAS FULFILLED ALL WEAPONS CONTRACTS WITH VENEZUELA - SOURCE: IFX.

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    Putin: Foreign interference in Venezuela’s internal affairs grossly violates international law — RT World News

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    Hmmm might end up with a "proxy war" a little closer to home this time.
    "The entire human race are neither my brothers nor kin. There is nothing noble about non-discrimination - concepts such as love, trust and brotherhood lose all meaning when discrimination is removed."

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