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WAR Venezuela Regime Change - Ongoing Civil Strife and New National Power Outages
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  1. #1441
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    Good, plain, common sense. Worth a bump--and a re-read, by those who want to blame "outside forces" for the NATURAL CONSEQUENCES of STUPIDITY---(economic and political stupidity)

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    Nationwide Blackout in Venezuela: FAQ

    By Rodrigo Linares -
    March 10, 2019

    How did this blackout begin? What started the event?

    There is no official information. The regime only says this is an act of sabotage, and that US Senator Marco Rubio and the Venezuelan opposition are to blame for it.

    From people inside the electric industry, we know that an overheat alarm was triggered between the San Geronimo B and Malena substations, which are like nodes. San Geronimo B is just South of Valle de La Pascua (Guarico state, central plains); Malena is a bit in the middle of nowhere, between Bolivar’s Trocal 19 and the Orinoco River. From San Geronimo B substation, comes the electric load to power all the TVs, light bulbs, blenders, etc. At Malena substation end the cables that come directly from the turning water wheels of the Guri dam. If you follow the lines from Guri, the country’s main dam South of Ciudad Guayana, they go North from Guri to Malena and San Geronimo, and from there it splits into several lines going to the central region and then to the rest of the country (East and West).

    This particular corridor carries three 765 kV (kilovolts) power lines, which are the largest and most important lines of the country. One of these lines, apparently the one between San Geronimo B and Malena, went out and overloaded the other two, so all three died. When all of a sudden the lines went off and power wasn’t getting through, not only all those TVs, blenders and lights went off: the water wheels started to spin out of control (in the industry we call this scenario a “load rejection”). Protections systems kicked in and the turbines shut themselves off, hopefully with no damage.

    Imagine the National Electric System as a bicycle. The rear wheel is all the electric load, the pedals are the turbines, the Caroni river as the legs powering it, and the chain connecting the whole system are those 765 kV lines. On March 7th, that chain broke.

    The engineers suspect that the overheat alarm was triggered by a forest fire. It is mandatory to keep vegetation trimmed under and around power lines, to avoid the risk of this kind of events. Anyone that has driven by the countryside and under these large power lines would see there’s a corridor under the lines. These corridors haven’t been maintained in years and there is a very hot summer going on. In a tropical country, this means the bushes can cover a line very fast.

    Is this the first blackout of this magnitude?

    No, it isn’t. The last big one took place in October 2018, due to a failure in a substation in Carabobo State. It affected 16 states and Caracas. Before that, we had another in August 2017, which affected 10 states, most of them in Western Venezuela. And another one of similar extent happened in 2015.

    It is important to note that localized blackouts are a daily event everywhere in the country, but the impact of these is not as dramatic. The new thing here is that, whereas before these lasted for a couple of hours, this one lasted days.

    Is it really nationwide? How widespread has this blackout been?

    This blackout covered most of the country’s territory and is affecting nearly all its people. Some areas were not affected because they don’t get power from these mayor power lines, but from the 400 kV and 215 Kv lines, also coming from the Caroni facilities, or from other power plants. These areas also happen to be in local grids that Corpoelec (the electric utility company) was able to maintain isolated and safe from overloading.

    How can it be solved, and when?

    There is an urgent need for huge investment in the sector, both in infrastructure and manpower: thousands of engineers and skilled technicians have left the industry. All the hydro turbines are in a serious state of disrepair and haven’t gone through the scheduled maintenance because that would require to turn them off, and the deficit in power generation is so big that this conventional measure would cause a serious generation shortage.

    Rebuilding the system will take years. A start would be to finish all the pending projects, like Tocoma, which is years late and with no sign of being finished and to do something about all the thermal generation the country paid for but never got.
    Hyperinflation affects the operational capacity of these institutions too. There are many things that need to fall in place so problems like this see a solution.

    Can it happen again?

    It will.

    How come an entire country be without power for almost three days, so far? Is there no backup plan?

    You can have backup plans or redundancy, but it is usually very costly. Sensible system designers assess risk and identify vulnerable parts of their systems; if they can’t make them redundant, they must make them robust. The cost of having more 765 kV lines would be insane. But making sure the ones we have are always on, isn’t that complicated. It just needs proper funding and reasonable management.

    Venezuela has the largest oil reserves on Earth. Why can’t it use oil to produce electricity?

    Venezuela gets most of its power from hydro. Today, about 80% of its power comes from the Caroni river. We could use oil, but oil is expensive and dirty. Also, oil power plants can’t react very well to shocks or peak loading. They are usually steam turbines with boilers that are very sluggish. The country could use natural gas to power gas turbines, which can throttle very quickly and are insanely cheap (unless you buy them from Derwick). The problem with natural gas (which burns clean and we have tons of) is that the distribution network is also in a state of disrepair. The one produced in the West is used to be pumped into the wells again to keep them running. The gas produced in the East has no way to get elsewhere and we just burn it. Literally. Into the air.

    Is the health system safe, or public transport, the oil refineries?

    No. Nor the telecom. Especially for such extended periods. All these critical systems have backups, but they are intended to operate for shorts amount of time, not for days on end with no power. Hospitals quickly run out of fuel to keep the generators going and the batteries lose their charge. If the blackout is long enough, we will run out of candles.

    For the telecom, another factor is range. Telecom has prepared for local blackouts. You lose a tower here, another one picks up. There is redundancy. But no telecom system can be designed for a total, three-day-long, blackout.

    How did the country reach this point, in terms of its power network?

    Years of disrepair, lack of maintenance and investment. From a human capital point of view, repressive management, terrible wages, and unsafe working conditions. For instance, the technicians are forbidden to talk about this. In February 2018, union leader Elio Palacios was detained because he said that a national blackout was imminent.

    Why didn’t petrodollars solve this problem?

    In 2009, as a result of serious sector disinvestment, the country became more and more reliant on hydro. We were struck by drought and blackouts that were also a part of Venezuelans’ daily routine.

    In 2009 the State invested USD 5 billion to increase its thermal capacity by 6 GW (about 830$/kW). That capacity goal (but not the budget) was reduced to 5 GW (1,000$/kW) and later lowered again to 1.450 MW (3,450 $/kW). Typical gas turbine prices, which is what we bought, range from 700$ to 1,000$ for kW of installed capacity. Millions were squandered in corruption but, because it started to rain again, we could rely on hydro once more and we all forgot about it.

    How can Venezuela rebuild its power grid?

    First, invest in manpower, have them make a long-term plan, and provide them with the resources to do so. In the short term, Corpoelec needs to really get their distribution up to snuff. This is the source of most of the problems. Then it needs to increase its generation capacity, finishing off current projects and investing in new technologies and infrastructure.

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    https://www.caracaschronicles.com/20...venezuela-faq/
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    WELL SAID---


    Quote Originally Posted by LoupGarou View Post
    Somebody needs to tell Maduro that EMP is not needed to bring down that grid. A drunk squirrel or a good brush fire is all that is needed. This is what happens when you spend your socialist spoils on personal pleasures while you watch the paint peeling on all of your infrastructure. That 768KV line needs a LOT of attention to keep it humming without arcing, and all of the other hardware is about as "needy". And once you have a blackout like this, you can't just flip the switch back on and have it all come back stable and clean. And synchronizing the 1970s pile of parts you have down there ought to be a hoot, especially without the engineers and communications around to help. While jump starting the car, you only have to make sure the positives connect to the positives and the negatives to the negatives. With AC (and especially THREE PHASE AC), you have to make sure that all of the peaks of the phases match up AND stay that way with the frequency staying stable. Get it a few degrees (milliseconds) off, and that 768KV line becomes a death dealer to whatever is out of sync (or the weakest point in between). Shunting just a few dozen amps at 768KV means millions of watts will find a new destructive home somewhere in the mix.

    EMP ain't the cause. The Socialist standard of "Apathy Once In Power" as an equalizer is. Everybody down there is now equal, at least equally in the dark.

    They need to get rid of the cause of the problem, and then allow external help into the country to help them get food in, water in, and get things back up and running again. I know of two groups that have tried getting supplies and food down there, both have been stopped by the current regime and it's minions. IMHO, Maduro or his minions caused this to keep the populace down there from fighting him or his troops. People are now too busy just trying to stay alive. And as far as Maduro cares, the less people around each new day makes the future brighter for him. As Night Driver so eloquently says:
    RULE 1:
    THEY want you DEAD.

    Loup
    Be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled…Let no man deceive you by any means…..
    they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved….for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie….
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    Quote Originally Posted by Millwright View Post
    One of the RT pieces that should be taken with some FWIW.


    Maduro says 2 perpetrators of power grid 'sabotage' captured

    Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has said two would-be saboteurs have been caught “in flagrante delicto” trying to take down the communications system of the Guri hydroelectric dam. Investigation into who sent them is underway.

    Authorities reportedly apprehended the two "material" perpetrators of the vandalism in the midst of interfering with the dam’s communications systems on Monday, averting a serious catastrophe, and have turned them over to the courts. They are now looking for the "intellectual authors" of the sabotage, and Maduro has blamed the US for the sustained technological attack on Venezuela's electrical system, which began last week.
    Also on rt.com ‘Cyberattacks & insider sabotage’: Venezuela’s power grid still under attack – Maduro

    After a failure at the Guri dam left much of the country in the dark on Thursday night, authorities worked round the clock to fix the problem, managing to restore nearly 70 percent of the electrical system before a cyberattack knocked it out again on Saturday afternoon, Maduro said, adding that one of the generators had been working perfectly and could only have been sabotaged by an infiltrator. The Guri hydroelectric plant produces 80 percent of Venezuela’s power.

    While stressing that the “Venezuelan state has to act” to hold those to blame for the “electrical criminal coup” responsible, Maduro praised the “effort and behavior” of Venezuelans who have remained at peace despite the prolonged blackout. He denounced the sabotage as a “serious violation of human rights.”

    While some of the country’s power has been restored, Maduro has suspended school and business activities for Tuesday as much of the nation remains in darkness.

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who has been relentlessly pushing for Maduro’s ouster for months, along with the rest of the Trump administration, claimed the outages are due to “years and years of neglect,” due to the “mismanagement and greed” of Maduro’s government. He denied US responsibility for the blackout while proclaiming that the US is “interested only in the welfare of the Venezuelan people.”

    https://www.rt.com/news/453577-madur...botage-caught/
    I see "Napoleon" has caught his fall-guy "Snowball" (Animal Farm)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melodi View Post
    I asked my husband "At what point does it stop being looting and instead becomes survival?" I think the grandmothers in that Caracas neighborhood could answer that question.

    As for Pompeo and his moronic "no Maduro" quotes, I am starting to feel like Steve was feeling last night on Agenda Free TV when he lost his composure for a moment and started almost yelling (except he is too professional to actually yell) about getting really fed up with "political statements" coming out and politician bashing instead of responding to the horrific humanitarian crises unfolding before our eyes.

    He expressed the fear (that I share) that by the time the world wakes up to the horror of what it is really going on it would be too late - too late for what exactly I'm not sure; perhaps to prevent 6 to 10 million people just walking out of the country and/or the streets of Caracas littered with bodies and children with swollen stomachs eating rocks or dying in the river?

    I thought his best example was pretty much if this was happening in Brazil or Colombia (aka all the power went out for 5 or more days, people without water or food etc) then he suggested the focus would be on "how terrible how can we help those poor people?"

    Instead, the focus coming out world capitols especially Washington is "no more Maduro," I don't think the young man who managed to tweet the show last night to report his uncle had died last night because there was no power for his kidney dialysis will find such statements especially comforting.

    People desperate enough to drink sewer water are not likely to be plotting revolutions any time soon, instead, they either flee or die.

    Sorry to be a downer this morning but I am finding this situation more unreal and unbelievable with each passing hour.

    I also talked to my husband about the electrical grid patterns etc and he also feels in his gut that someone(s) are continuing to sabotage what fixes are being put into place.

    He isn't pointing a finger as to whom exactly is doing this, but it is increasingly likely that bad as that old grid was, it is getting "help" to continue the total collapse.

    Not being able to even bring power in from Colombia to the West of the Country (I didn't totally understand it but I gather there was another "convenient" blow up of a transformer or something) kind of seals that for me.

    You don't need flying pterodactyl drones to do that, just a few well-placed snipers (from what I understand anyway).

    Oh, and my friend "H" who is head of a major social-science department has not posted on Facebook since March 4th when he posted that he wanted the world to know that his government were not socialists but actually a gang of armed criminal thugs.


    My mother adored that man when he was 16 and recited poetry over our dinner table, I hope she is watching over him now four decades later.
    The leaders of MOST Socialist dictatorships, sooner or later, become "armed criminal thugs".
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    they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved….for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie….
    Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Baron View Post
    Anatoly Kurmanaev
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    Anatoly Kurmanaev Retweeted SNTP
    Big and scary escalation of Maduro’s war on the press, as he looks for blackout scapegoats. @LuisCarlos is one the sharpest media observers in the country. Detained by secret police for his coverage of the blackout. No officials, of course, fired or even rebuked for the crisis.
    THIS.
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    they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved….for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie….
    Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubble Head View Post
    This so called socialism killed over 140 million people in the last century. Does anyone on this Board expect anything to improve by donating? They gave their guns away in 2012 to be the safest society on earth. Wouldn’t do any good to send them a few rounds.
    When this is all done and said it will make for books like the killing fields of Cambodia. People like AO Cortez will still have her following and Sanders will still run for President promising free stuff. I don’t expect anything less to happen in the USA. Be prepared.
    EXACTLY why the US has NOT "given" to this "humanitarian" crisis.

    YES, it's a "manufactured" crisis--"manufactured" by the EVIL of Socialism and the INEVITABLE dictators who take over socialist counties, sooner or later! THEY DO NOT CARE about the suffering of their people--as long as THEY STAY IN POWER, for THEIR POLITICAL POWER IS ALL ALL ALL that MATTERS to them!

    How ANYONE can defend such an EVIL system is beyond me.

    But even if we DID send them help---Maduro would simply give it to his cronies or sell it and put the $$$ in his pockets---and then spit in our face and blame US for his people's continued suffering! He needs to GO DOWN---but his PEOPLE need to come up with the COHONES to TAKE him down--just as the people of Poland and Eastern Europe did in the 1990's!!!!
    Be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled…Let no man deceive you by any means…..
    they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved….for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie….
    Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


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    Socialism apologists please take note:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark D View Post
    This is the natural consequence of Socialism and nationalizing the infrastructure. The skilled engineers, techs, and mechanics were driven away by the regime. Heck, one of the senior engineers was IMPRISONED for stating the obvious a year or two ago: "There will be a national blackout unless funds are spent to properly maintain the country's power infrastructure." But no, socialist ideology MUST win out over reality, so jail all the dissenters.

    The ongoing infrastructure fireworks are due to people trying to "fix" the situation, who have NO business being near power infrastructure. This is NOT a time for "Equal Outcome" hires to be flipping switches; you want a team of multi-decade veteran engineers with lots of letters after their name (like "P", "h", and "d") and LARGE salaries. Unfortunately, that team of engineers is going to produce a multi-billion dollar shopping list for equipment, and, a request for skilled veteran techs and mechanics. But as noted before, Socialism MUST be proven correct, so those very reasonable requests will be denied.
    Be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled…Let no man deceive you by any means…..
    they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved….for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie….
    Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Faroe View Post
    As others have occasionally noted on the other thread, it will be coming here.
    I really can't see how the US can stand by and NOT intervene. I'm not supporting that move, but it just seems inevitable. Unfortunately, we are already stretched too far; the effort will drown us. Maybe just pessimistic today (nursing a persistent migraine).
    The only way we COULD intervene that would do any REAL, LASTING good, would be to send in troops to ARREST AND KILL that EVIL SOCIALIST DICTATOR and ALL HIS FOLLOWERS---but until the PEOPLE are ready for that, doing so would more likely put us into another "Vietnam"-like situation. THEY MUST--like the folks who started Solidarity---gain the courage and confidence to TAKE THEIR OWN COUNTRY BACK--and THEN we CAN help them.
    Be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled…Let no man deceive you by any means…..
    they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved….for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie….
    Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Baron View Post
    A few decades ago I became aware of the term Black Start (also called Dark Start) due to the ramifications for heavy industrial manufacturing operations.

    Interestingly and probably reasonably, detailed open source information became scarce after 9/11 due to national security concerns.

    Venezuela is probably the first time in history that a full -nationwide- grid down scenario has presented itself. Many preparedness lessons can be learned from the societal and technical implications of this event.

    Thus Black/Dark Start has slowly become headline news for the more tech savy news organizations.

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    Why It's So Hard to Restart Venezuela's Power Grid

    Author: Lily Hay Newman
    Lily Hay Newman, Security, 03.12.19, 03:20 pm



    Crews attempting to deal with black-starting a frail and brittle grid like the one in Venezuela also face major safety considerations, like explosions.MATIAS DELACROIX/AFP/Getty Images

    Venezuela's massive, nationwide power outages, which began on Thursday, have so far resulted in at least 20 deaths, looting, and loss of access to food, water, fuel, and cash for many of the country's 31 million residents. Late Monday, the United States said its diplomats would leave the US embassy in Caracas, citing deteriorating conditions. As the societal impacts intensify and Venezuela's internal power struggle continues, the country is clearly struggling to restart its grid and meaningfully restore power—a problem exacerbated by its aging infrastructure.

    Reenergizing a dead grid, a process known as a black start, is challenging any under circumstances. But statements from Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro, opposition leader Juan Guaido, and other officials have largely failed to explain details of what caused the country's outage or a plan for restoration. Government statements and reports indicate that the blackout stems from a problem at the enormous Guri dam hydropower plant in eastern Venezuela, which generates 80 percent of the country's electricity. And the already arduous process of restoring power seems hobbled by years of system neglect. It's also unclear whether Venezuela has the specialists, workforce, and spare equipment available on the ground to triage the situation quickly.

    "The challenge with black start is always just knowing specifically what happened," says Nathan Wallace, director of cyber operations and a staff engineer at secure grid companies Cybirical and Ampirical Solutions. "It sounds like there may be lack of maintenance and some mismanagement. And typically if a system hasn’t been maintained, that means they really don’t have the visualization needed to understand the state of the system in real time. If the procedure for black start is not accurately representing the state of the system, there can be problems."

    "The challenge with black start is always just knowing specifically what happened."
    Nathan Wallace, Cybirical and Ampirical Solutions


    A black start generally involves seeding power from an independent source—like small diesel generators or natural gas turbines—to restart power plants in an otherwise dead transmission network. This process is often called bootstrapping. Hydroelectric plants in particular can be designed to essentially black-start themselves. In these plants, water—often from a dam, as in the case of Guri—flows through a turbine, which spins it, powering an electric generator. Since it takes relatively little independent energy to open the water intake gates and potentially generate a lot of power very quickly, hydroelectric plants can work well for black start. It is unclear whether Venezuela's Guri plant is designed with this scenario in mind.

    What makes any black-start process especially complicated is the need to load balance a system, so that as power surges through, the supply from the generator matches the demand. Otherwise the generation plant will run too fast or be exhausted, causing the system to fail again.

    "It’s a large stepwise process to build up load, build up generation, build up more load, build up more generation until they’ve got enough reliability to go to the next element of the system," says Michael Toecker, a grid security engineer and founder of the firm Context Industrial Security. "If a utility has issues with maintenance, or has a history of operational issues, or they don’t have a plan, or that plan is outdated, or if they don’t have a really good understanding of the limitations of the grid system, everything the utility is attempting to do becomes far more difficult."

    Venezuela's grid is based on a classic model of bulk power generation. From a centralized plant—in this case, Guri—substations transform electricity from low to high voltage so it can be transmitted all over the country and then converted back down to lower voltage for local distribution. This is fairly typical in small countries, though some prioritize adding diverse generation or connecting with neighboring grids to increase redundancy. Black-start researchers and practitioners say, though, that any model has pros and cons. While distributed systems don't have a single point of generation failure, they can be more difficult to black start if they do go down, since more generation sites need to be bootstrapped and there are more loads to balance.

    "It’s extremely dangerous to reenergize a system if you have gear that hasn’t been maintained well." Tim Yardley, University of Illinois

    Regardless of the setup, the crucial component of all black starts is understanding what caused the outage, having the ability to fix it, and working with a system that can handle the power surges and fluctuations involved in bringing power back online. Without all of these elements in place, says Tim Yardley, a senior researcher at the University of Illinois focused on industrial control crisis simulations, black starts can be prohibitively difficult to execute.

    "Reenergizing a grid in some ways is more of a shock to the system than it operating in its norm," Yardley says. "If infrastructure is aging, and there’s a lack of maintenance and repairs, as you try to turn it back on and try to balance the loads you may have stuff that’s not going to come back up, infrastructure that’s been physically damaged or that was in such a bad state of repair that reenergizing it causes other problems."

    Crews attempting to deal with black-starting a frail and brittle grid also face major safety considerations, like explosions. "You have a maintenance issue and a manpower issue, because it’s extremely dangerous to reenergize a system if you have gear that hasn’t been maintained well," Yardley notes.

    Venezuela has faced years of power instability since about 2009, including two major blackouts in 2013 and a power and water crisis in 2016. At times the blackouts were caused in part by weather conditions like El Niño, but overall they have established a pattern of poor planning, mismanagement, and lack of investment on the part of the government. President Maduro has repeatedly overseen rationing efforts resulting in erratic power and has even set official national clocks back to put the country's morning commute in daylight.

    The exact nature of the current situation in Venezuela remains largely unclear—confusion which seems to be contributing to sluggish response. Meanwhile, the increasingly chaotic, dangerous conditions only underscore the stakes of restoring power as quickly as possible.

    "It hit me really personally when I saw that hospitals with babies on ventilators and respirators were switching to people manually pumping," Cybirical's Wallace says. "I’ve been in black-start situations that were definitely stressful, but I can tell you they weren’t as stressful. There wasn’t a whole country relying on me."

    https://www.wired.com/story/venezuel...e-black-start/
    THANK you, Red Baron.

    Maybe this will put some of the talk to rest about the UNITED STATES somehow having "caused" this.
    Be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled…Let no man deceive you by any means…..
    they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved….for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie….
    Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mzkitty View Post
    Amir Richani
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    Journalist @LuisCarlos was released by #Venezuela's police after more than 12 hours of detention. He is now under a travel ban.

    Luis is one of the dozens journalists recently detained by Nicolas Maduro


    #13mar #breaking #LuisCarlosVivoyLibre
    PERSECUTE (if not kill) the MESSENGER


    TYPICAL of ALL SOCIALISTIC DICTATORIAL (sorry for the repetition) regimes...


    Coming soon to a USA location near you, if the liberals get their way........
    Be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled…Let no man deceive you by any means…..
    they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved….for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie….
    Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


  11. Quote Originally Posted by Countrymouse View Post
    EVERY socialist or communist government ends up a "kleptocracy"---you merely EXCHANGE one set of "pigs" for another (Animal Farm). In the USSR you went from the Czars in their palaces to the "Presidents" and their rulers living in dachas; in EVERY socialist regime the so-called "reformers" end up dictators living high off the hog off of everyone else.

    All animals become "equal"--but never forget that "some animals are more equal than others"--- as is Maduro, right now....
    Quote Originally Posted by Countrymouse View Post
    EXACTLY why the US has NOT "given" to this "humanitarian" crisis.

    YES, it's a "manufactured" crisis--"manufactured" by the EVIL of Socialism and the INEVITABLE dictators who take over socialist counties, sooner or later! THEY DO NOT CARE about the suffering of their people--as long as THEY STAY IN POWER, for THEIR POLITICAL POWER IS ALL ALL ALL that MATTERS to them!

    How ANYONE can defend such an EVIL system is beyond me.

    But even if we DID send them help---Maduro would simply give it to his cronies or sell it and put the $$$ in his pockets---and then spit in our face and blame US for his people's continued suffering! He needs to GO DOWN---but his PEOPLE need to come up with the COHONES to TAKE him down--just as the people of Poland and Eastern Europe did in the 1990's!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Countrymouse View Post
    The only way we COULD intervene that would do any REAL, LASTING good, would be to send in troops to ARREST AND KILL that EVIL SOCIALIST DICTATOR and ALL HIS FOLLOWERS---but until the PEOPLE are ready for that, doing so would more likely put us into another "Vietnam"-like situation. THEY MUST--like the folks who started Solidarity---gain the courage and confidence to TAKE THEIR OWN COUNTRY BACK--and THEN we CAN help them.
    Countrymouse - this situation in Venezuela is not merely about political ideology (isms) that are in opposition to the capitalist ideology, per se - I've seen NO ONE, on this thread, take a pro-socialist stance in their comments.

    Let's take a broader view of what is likely going on - many international hidden hands with equally shaded agendas are the architects of this fiasco; the people of Venezuela are being blatantly used as pawns in the "games" between these purposefully obscured BIGS.

    As usual, follow the money - especially knowing that, apparently, Venezuela is sitting atop of one of the largest known oil deposits, in the world - this fact alone, if true, puts out a BIG radiant beacon, signaling to all the world's criminal power-brokers and their corresponding "machines," and attracting them to Venezuela like bugs to a light on a warm summer night.


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    #Breaking: Just in - Multiple Substations explosions in #Maracaibo in #Zulia state in #Venezuela


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    #Breaking: Just in - The state of #Zulia and the city of #Maracaibo in #Venezuela has lost power 100% All of the electrical substations are on fire.

    56 sec and 45 sec video clips at link (for both tweets)

    https://twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1106430883475668998
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Mark D View Post
    This is the natural consequence of Socialism and nationalizing the infrastructure. The skilled engineers, techs, and mechanics were driven away by the regime. Heck, one of the senior engineers was IMPRISONED for stating the obvious a year or two ago: "There will be a national blackout unless funds are spent to properly maintain the country's power infrastructure." But no, socialist ideology MUST win out over reality, so jail all the dissenters.

    The ongoing infrastructure fireworks are due to people trying to "fix" the situation, who have NO business being near power infrastructure. This is NOT a time for "Equal Outcome" hires to be flipping switches; you want a team of multi-decade veteran engineers with lots of letters after their name (like "P", "h", and "d") and LARGE salaries. Unfortunately, that team of engineers is going to produce a multi-billion dollar shopping list for equipment, and, a request for skilled veteran techs and mechanics. But as noted before, Socialism MUST be proven correct, so those very reasonable requests will be denied.
    This is socialism as practiced by Central and South American banana republics, and middle-east dictators. It is not always true of ALL countries that have been governed under socialism - various European countries have flirted with, if not elected outright communists to power, down through the last 75 years or so. Yet, their standard of living was not reliably negative, on the whole - witness Italy, Greece, Canada, Sweden, for example - but not the only "socialist" countries that maintained that critical balance between taking care of their infrastructure/people/talent and **mostly** steering away from outright mafia-style thuggery - examples of such debilitating criminality which exist in today's Mexico and Venezuela, but also other Central and South American regimes over the past 75+ years.

    Socialism has many historical expressions and examples. "One size" does not fit all. Context is important.


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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Countrymouse View Post
    Melodi--

    I am late posting here, so you may have retracted this statement by now, but as a "NOT"-expatriate American I find your comments highly offensive.

    I know you and I stand on different viewpoints philosophically and politically, and that you lean closer to the left and Socialism than to the Constitutional, conservative, and capitalist views I espouse.

    However---to accuse your OWN "former" country for causing what is happening in Venezuela--as you have done now several times in this thread that I have read--is inexcusable.

    The repeated repeated repeated (did I say, "repeated"?) examples of the TOTAL FAILURE of Socialist economics to work successfully in ANY society ("working" defined as being SELF-sustainable WITHOUT OUTSIDE SUPPORT) are SO NUMEROUS as to be self-evident.

    Venezuela is merely the latest--and most horrific---example of the same.

    Yet anyone who has studied how "well" socialist economics "worked" in the USSR, in Ukraine, in Eastern Europe, in China, in Cambodia, in Cuba---any HONEST appraisal of ANY of those countries----REPEATS the GLARING FACT that SOCIALISM DOES NOT WORK.

    And the United States is NOT to blame for that---unless you are saying they should have volunteered themselves as the "outside prop" to prop up Venezuela until we, too, fell under the load.

    As Margaret Thatcher said---"Sooner or later you RUN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY."

    But WE are NOT responsible for "propping up" Venezuela.

    Nor are we responsible for standing back and letting them "sink or swim" in their own economic MESS that THEY created.

    They are an OIL-RICH country.

    With right management of that vast wealth, they should all be living like kings.

    Instead they listened to Hugo Chavez.

    THAT IS NOT the fault of the United States.

    If you want to know WHY they are in this electrical mess, I suggest you read the post below for the TECHNICAL details of why this is happening--and NO the UNITED STATES did NOT cause it. They BROUGHT IT ON THEMSELVES by the mis-management and cronyism inherent in Socialist governments.
    You might be right. Or, you might be wrong.

    How do YOU KNOW that the "U.S. did NOT cause it?"

    What has President Trump allegedly been doing, since elected?

    Draining the swamp.

    Who are the people that make up "the swamp?"

    The swamp is primarily made up of American citizens who work on behalf of an agenda that is neither compatible with American exceptionalism and nationalism, nor our Constitutional Republic.

    Many are aligned/employed by American intelligence agencies and/or the Federal government - some are embedded in the U.S. military.

    A highly capable "hidden hand" - a "deep state."

    Are these people running roughshod on our Constitutional Republic, at will?

    Up to this point, yes. They pursue their own foreign policy, funding themselves with massive cheating, stealing, thieving, drug-running, human trafficking and human organ harvesting and sales.

    The point I wish to make - it is not the constitutional-minded J6P Americans who are involved in the lead-up to this Venezuelan disaster - it is likely these very deep state criminals at work - they are profoundly embedded into our very Federal and state governmental structures, and continue to give all good American folks a black eye in the court of world opinion - particularly with regards to what is happening in Venezuela - but also Syria, in recent times.

    LOTS of sword rattling going on. Look between the lines to get an occasional glimpse of some of the illegal activities committed by some of these criminal U.S. deep state players.


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  15. #1455
    My comments on the above (and I admit I only had time to skim it) is to repeat again that Venezuela already had horrible problems BEFORE Chavez came to power and that he was able to come to power because of them.

    A lot of the grid and infrastructure problems also go back more than 20 years, I heard about the situation from my ex 40 years ago when he was an electrical engineer and I was living there.

    Finally, if you look at the over-all history of Venezuela and for that matter South America you will find extreme swings between "left and right" governments all over the place and in reality not much tends to change for people on the ground.

    OK, I came here to post another article I will do that next...
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    No electricity, medicine or hope: despair rules in Maracaibo's hospitals

    No electricity, medicine or hope: despair rules in Maracaibo's hospitals
    Photos at the link:https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ibos-hospitals

    The sick must provide their own medical supplies as havoc grips Venezuela’s second city, but shelves in the looted shops are bare

    Sheyla Urdaneta in Maracaibo

    Fri 15 Mar 2019 07.00 GMT

    A wholesale supermarket in Maracaibo that was looted during the massive blackout that has paralyzed Venezuela Photograph: Juan Barreto/AFP/Getty Images
    The air in the crowded emergency ward was already thick with the rusty smell of dried blood when the door burst open and two men barged in, screaming for help.

    Between them, they carried a third man: barefoot, bare-chested – and bleeding freely from a deep wound which had nearly severed his right arm.

    Two doctors ran over to help; one examined the wounded man while the other told his friends to go and find bottled water and sutures; there were none left in the hospital.

    The nationwide blackout which struck Venezuela on 7 March caused chaos across the country, paralyzing airports and hospitals, cutting phone and internet services, and shutting down water supplies. The disruption sparked a wave of looting and violence on a scale unseen for decades, and nowhere was the havoc as intense as in the country’s second city, Maracaibo.

    According to the city’s chamber of commerce some 500 businesses were sacked in the unrest, and countless people injured in clashes between looters, security guards, gang-members and the security forces.


    Video posted on social media showed chaotic scenes in which crowds forced their way into shops to steal food, medicines and valuables.

    “It was total madness,” said Ricardo Acosta, a vice president of a business association in the surrounding Zulia state.

    At the city’s University Hospital, the scene in casualty was like something from a war film. Dozens of patients and their families were crowded into the sweltering ward, a few lying on beds, others slumped on the bloodstained floor.

    The hospital is Maracaibo’s largest – and one of just two with their own emergency generators, although power was connected only in the emergency ward.

    Locals look at a shop window smashed during the massive blackout that has paralyzed Venezuela


    Most of the patients had been injured in the wave of plundering – but others were victims of Venezuela’s chronic medical shortages and crumbling healthcare system.

    Next to a man with knife wounds on his arms, legs and head, lay José Luis Faría, who hovered in and out of consciousness, 24 hours after suffering a heart failure.

    Neighbours had found him unconscious in the street outside the house where he lived alone after his family joined the 3 million Venezuelans who have fled the country’s political and economic crisis.

    Nobody could reach Faría’s one remaining relative – a nephew – because he had been unable to charge his mobile phone battery in the blackout, so the neighbours loaded him into a car and sought medical help.


    ‘Like doctors in a war’: inside Venezuela’s healthcare crisis

    After two other hospitals turned them away, El Universitario admitted Faría, but as often happens in a country beset by chronic shortages, the sick man was told he would have to provide his own medicine.

    “He’s still not improving, but we finally managed to reach his nephew who is looking for saline solution and a drip. The doctor says the danger is that he has a heart attack,” said Faría’s neighbour, Misael Larreal.


    For a brief moment, Faría regained consciousness, and asked where he was. He looked around at the bloody patient on the next bed – and passed out again.


    By mid-afternoon, the temperature in the stifling ward had reached 42 degrees. To avoid overloading the generator, the hospital’s air conditioning system had been turned off, so medical staff set up an improvised waiting area in the lobby, where a weak breeze came through the open doors.

    The man with a wounded arm was screaming in pain; the skin on his arm had already turned grey. After a couple of hours, his friends had returned with some bottles of water, suture – and the news that they had been unable to obtain any anaesthetics.

    Weakly, the man replied: “It doesn’t matter – I can’t feel anything any more.”

    Every few minutes, doctors emerged shouting the name of a patient, but instead of updates, relatives were given a new list of medicines or supplies which they would somehow have to find.

    Zulia is one of the poorest regions in Venezuela, and medicine – and even basic food staples – are often far too pricey for ordinary people.

    One woman sat crying. “What are we going to do?” she said. “I don’t have a bolívar to buy anything and all the shops are closed. What can we do?”

    The woman explained that her husband had joined the plunder at a local butcher’s shop after seeing neighbours run past carrying cuts of ham, eggs and a bunch of plantains. But before he could escape, she said, a group of armed men had arrived, firing handguns in the air and robbing the looters.

    “He fell and cut his leg. The wound isn’t deep but the doctors say he needs stitches, and a tetanus shot,” she said.

    [SIZE="4"Venezuela has one of the highest rates of caesarian sections in the world, but at the Castillo Plaza maternity hospital, mothers were told they would have to have a vaginal birth whatever their condition.
    [/SIZE]


    [That will be a death sentance to some Mothers and Babies if the child is presenting sideways or any number of issues that actually require a C section - as someone who looked into becoming a midwife at one time in my life this is horrifying! - Melodi]

    Outside the emergency ward, a woman called Alicia said her new-born grandson desperately needed to admission to an intensive care unit because he had a problem with his lungs. “He wasn’t ready,” she sobbed.

    But there was no electricity in the only hospitals with ICUs and El Universitario had no facilities for children. In a phone call the next day, Alicia said the baby had died.

    Back at the University Hospital, there was still no electricity, and the emergency room was still crowded. Some of the men wounded in the looting had been discharged – only to be replaced by others with similar injuries.

    A man arrived with a deep machete wound in the back of his head, and another in the leg. He was turned away; there were no doctors left to see him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melodi View Post
    A man arrived with a deep machete wound in the back of his head, and another in the leg. He was turned away; there were no doctors left to see him.
    WooHoo!!! Finally "Medical Equality" for EVERYONE! Yay Socialism!

  18. #1458
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    on #Maduro refusing to leave #Venezuela: “He needs to understand that a bullet to the forehead may be his way out of Venezuela. That’s just the bottom line, and we have that capability.” #SOSVen… , see more (link: http://tweetedtimes.com/vindicatingdodo?s=tnp) tweetedtimes.com/vindicatingdod…
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    The looting won't stop after Maduro is gone. While Libya is the UN's model for regret, Venezuela will make Libya look like its biggest success story.
    https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/15/v...aduro-looting/ (fair use)
    9:31 AM 03/15/2019 |
    Tim Pearce | Energy Reporter

    Looters have all but emptied stores and warehouses across western Venezuela as large parts of the country remain without power more than a week after a mass blackout.

    The mobs overwhelmed Venezuela’s security forces and broke into buildings. People stole cars, trucks and equipment. Hundreds of businesses in the Venezuelan oil capital of Maracaibo were emptied and left in shambles.

    Looters broke through the cinder-block walls of a Pepsi plant and took thousands of cases of beer and soda and 160 pallets of food. They destroyed or stole 22 trucks and five forklifts, Bloomberg reported Friday.

    “If people made enough to make ends meet, we wouldn’t be trying to get by like this,” Enrique Gonzalez, an 18-year-old bus conductor, told Bloomberg. “This country has gone to hell.”


    Police and other emergency officials have stayed away from the carnage and refused to help businesses and property owners protect their property and assets.

    “It’s hard to swallow,” Bernardo Morillo, a 60-year-old mall manager, told Bloomberg. “The national guard stood by as this vandalism happened and the firefighters didn’t even show.”

    A mass blackout hit large swaths of the country on March 7. Experts blamed poor Venezuelan infrastructure. Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro blamed the power outage on a U.S. cyberattack. Maduro’s chief prosecutor Tarek Saab is pressuring the country’s supreme court to investigate opposition leader Juan Guaido for alleged sabotage, BBC reported.

    Maduro is under pressure to step down as president as many world leaders have renounced his regime and recognized Guaido as the legitimate president of Venezuela. The Trump administration is applying increasing pressure to Maduro through sanctions and has not ruled out using military force to depose the South American leader.

    FORTE EST VINUM, FORTIOR EST REX, FORTIORES SUNT MULIERES:

    SUPER OMNIA VINCIT VERITAS.


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    Didn't even know we had carriers still going there.

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    #BREAKING: American Airlines is suspending flights to #Venezuela
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    Bulletin: Russian Foreign Ministry says Venezuela power outage was staged from abroad @FortRussNews
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bean Pole View Post
    EndGameWW3
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    Bulletin: Russian Foreign Ministry says Venezuela power outage was staged from abroad @FortRussNews
    Like Russia helped Trump get elected?
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    EndGameWW3 Retweeted Reuters Venezuela

    President of #Colombia says that military intervention is not a solution for #Venezuela
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by Millwright View Post
    Like Russia helped Trump get elected?
    Nah, it was the Nazi's who attacked Pearl Harbor . . .


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    Rage, rage against the dying of the light."

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  25. #1465
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    There are mounting signs of military planning for Venezuela

    There are mounting signs of military planning for Venezuela
    militarytimes.com
    8:23 PM · Mar 15, 2019 ·https://t.co/Dt1NOLTK7f

  26. #1466
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    Latam lender replaces Venezuela's Maduro representative with Guaido...

    Latam lender replaces Venezuela's Maduro representative with Guaido...
    reuters.com
    8:28 PM · Mar 15, 2019 ·
    https://t.co/jHh8kgc5NX

  27. #1467
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    Russia 'concerned' about US actions in Venezuela

    Russia 'concerned' about US actions in Venezuela
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    8:31 PM · Mar 15, 2019 ·https://t.co/WFwVypcYbZ

  28. #1468
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    President Nicolás Maduro returned today to accuse the US of the power cut, saying it was an "action of war" and directly blaming the White House national security adviser, John Bolton.
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    Venezuela recupera el aliento y se prepara para nuevas marchas tras el apagón
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    He’s smoking it!

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    Boy, !! The Venezuela story has disappeared. This was a big thing 48 hours ago.
    Did it all get worked out?
    Are they all just getting along?
    What happened??
    SS
    “Then the creatures of the high air answered to the battle, .., and the woods trembled and the wind sobbed telling them, the earth shook,; the witches of the valley, and the wolves of the forests, howled from every quarter and on every side of the armies, urging them against one another.”
    ― Lady Gregory, Gods and Fighting Men: The Story of the Tuatha De Danaan and the Fianna of Ireland

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    The calm before the storm SS. Now that the US embassy has been emptied, anything is possible.
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    .@RepMattGaetz: “I’m more worried about the foreign influences that we see playing out in #Venezuela - whether it’s the Russians or the Chinese, or most notably, the Lebanese Hezbollah… my concern is that the people around #Maduro want war, bc failed states turn into civil war.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bean Pole View Post
    The calm before the storm SS. Now that the US embassy has been emptied, anything is possible.
    I am worried about the calm after the calm. We have left good people in the lurch before.
    Mr. Madure is not going to leave.
    White bread military elites seem to thing he will.
    Time is not our friend.
    The Russians and Chinese are busy.
    Our allies are melting like butter on a hot Fourth of July.
    Observe, Orient, Decide, Re Orient, Continue Observing.
    SS
    “Then the creatures of the high air answered to the battle, .., and the woods trembled and the wind sobbed telling them, the earth shook,; the witches of the valley, and the wolves of the forests, howled from every quarter and on every side of the armies, urging them against one another.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shacknasty Shagrat View Post
    I am worried about the calm after the calm. We have left good people in the lurch before.
    Mr. Madure is not going to leave.
    White bread military elites seem to thing he will.
    Time is not our friend.
    The Russians and Chinese are busy.
    Our allies are melting like butter on a hot Fourth of July.
    Observe, Orient, Decide, Re Orient, Continue Observing.
    SS
    So true SS.
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  34. Quote Originally Posted by Shacknasty Shagrat View Post
    Boy, !! The Venezuela story has disappeared. This was a big thing 48 hours ago.
    Did it all get worked out?
    Are they all just getting along?
    What happened??
    SS
    LOOK!

    There goes (another "important") SQUIRREL!

    Wash, rinse, repeat, ad nauseam.


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    We did get some incentive to re-examine our preps for long-term loss of services.
    "...Cry 'Havoc' and let slip the cats of war..."
    Don’t use your last bullet on them.
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  36. #1476
    Word is that a lot of clips of US military practicing are all over Facebook in Venezuela. Hard to know which side is salting them into Facebook.

  37. #1477
    Thanks, Joannita, I'm having trouble getting much of any real information at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joannita View Post
    Word is that a lot of clips of US military practicing are all over Facebook in Venezuela. Hard to know which side is salting them into Facebook.
    Could these be from other times and places? Any way to determine (reverse image search?) if they are current?
    "...Cry 'Havoc' and let slip the cats of war..."
    Don’t use your last bullet on them.
    I’m not afraid of dying...I just don’t want to be there!
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    Could be a huge financial war is being waged, could be the US has raided central banks of our wealth? Maybe the US has acquired gold , and seized that which is stored?
    Is it conceivable we are within days of the Rothschild Empire is completely destroyed?
    Venezuela could be where that war turns to armies, lol, imagination runs ,at times.
    Last edited by pirate; 03-16-2019 at 03:27 PM. Reason: punctuation

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