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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Chuck is being imprecise (though that’s understandable because there are no esoteric acronyms to toss out).

    The magazine is rotary in nature.
    That was my recollection from what little I have seen of one.
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    Trump has served (so far) to stem the tide/inevitable erosion of our 2nd amendment rights. Its Indian summer and the time is running out to make hay. I recommend making all the strategic purchases while you can. As a reloader, I'm going all in on primers, powder and projectiles. Don't forget spare parts, and parts for future builds. Too little time and not enough $ ......

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    Off topic: I used to use .22cb's in my 10-22. Strictly single shot. Quiet as could be. Picked up a Henry lever 12 years ago. It handles anything from LR to CB. Lots of chipmunks and a few close in ground hogs (head shots).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass Scrounger View Post
    Trump has served (so far) to stem the tide/inevitable erosion of our 2nd amendment rights. Its Indian summer and the time is running out to make hay. I recommend making all the strategic purchases while you can. As a reloader, I'm going all in on primers, powder and projectiles. Don't forget spare parts, and parts for future builds. Too little time and not enough $ ......
    I agree. Trump is just a "stop gap" along the way, and even he can stumble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Off topic: I used to use .22cb's in my 10-22. Strictly single shot. Quiet as could be. Picked up a Henry lever 12 years ago. It handles anything from LR to CB. Lots of chipmunks and a few close in ground hogs (head shots).
    DH's Henry has been known to eliminate quite a few squirrels out of our backyard pecan tree. No one ever heard a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Remember, conservatives won’t be in power forever. Once the Marxists regain power, this is the first thing that will become law. The second thing will be confiscation. The third thing will be civil war.
    Yup, they have already proven ,that once they regain any say so, they will make the opposition pay...the commies are straight up chomping at the bit, to drop a hammer on the country...no pun intended.
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    Try shooting 22LR subsonic ammo. It's quiet out of a 22 rifle and will reliably cycle the action of a 10/22.

    The ruger 10/22 10rd magazine store the rounds in a rotary fashion. See the first picture.
    If you shoot enough ammo through the 10rd mags, you will eventually have to take them apart for cleaning. Soot gets blown into the mag and makes it hard to rotate internally.

    The BX-15 and BX-25 ruger mags store rounds in a single-stack fashion. See the second picture.
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    Folks - I see you talking about 10-22's.

    It seems my 10-22 cycles clean only when I use CCI mini mags (same for my Mark IV hunter pistol). All other bulk 22 ammo is hit and miss. Any subject matter experts care to opine on this for me?
    Thy will be done...

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    Bulk 22

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerkom View Post
    Folks - I see you talking about 10-22's.

    It seems my 10-22 cycles clean only when I use CCI mini mags (same for my Mark IV hunter pistol). All other bulk 22 ammo is hit and miss. Any subject matter experts care to opine on this for me?
    It sounds like the bolt is not moving freely and may need cleaning and a little lube where it contacts other surfaces.
    Also make sure the firing pin moves freely in its' channel on the bolt. Bulk ammo may have issues with light firing pin strikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911user View Post
    It sounds like the bolt is not moving freely and may need cleaning and a little lube where it contacts other surfaces.
    Also make sure the firing pin moves freely in its' channel on the bolt. Bulk ammo may have issues with light firing pin strikes.


    That would be my take on it, they do get carbon buildup and need a serious cleaning from time to time and it sounds like it's time. Tip go light with the oil and the crud will not buildup to quickly.

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    Good point. Use good ammo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thinwater View Post
    This is the argument they will make when they pass laws requiring you to register them. Not registered= contraband/felony possession. Registration= confiscation. Pick your poison.
    Many of us have been in a previous war allegedly to defend someone else's freedom. Seems pretty hypocritical to refuse to fight for our own.
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    When guns are outlawed, I’ll be an outlaw...

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    Quote Originally Posted by night driver View Post
    Uuuuumm guys, unless they made SERIOUS changes, when using the 10-.22 in Factory mode, the "Mag" is a 10 round CYLINDER.....


    The larger Mags feed through a cylinder modification …..
    Quote Originally Posted by hiwall View Post
    22 shorts and longs are very uncommon. Almost every 22 cartridge you see is Long Rifle. Still handy to have a manual action 22 rifle just in case (along with a 10/22).
    Quote Originally Posted by Profit of Doom View Post
    Are you saying the round is fired while within the cylinder, like a revolver?
    That does not sound right, that would require removing the cylinder and manually ejecting the brass?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Chuck is being imprecise (though that’s understandable because there are no esoteric acronyms to toss out).

    The magazine is rotary in nature.
    I plead guilty to imprecision. I last handled one 40 years ago.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    ....Unless guns are confiscated, no force on earth can conquer us.
    EXACTLY why our Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment!
    We have done so much, with so little, for so long....We can now do anything, with nothing, forever.

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    Hey Diane......
    We have done so much, with so little, for so long....We can now do anything, with nothing, forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    More idiocy. Even if this passed, even if this were legitimate, how would they ever know that you didn't "change hands" BEFOREHAND?
    This is my thought, every time there is a mention of registration, or confiscation. Except for in a few select areas, TPTB have no idea what firearms you possess. They may have documentation of what you purchased from a dealer, but there is no way to know what you actually have on hand.
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    You all sure Trump will Veto? He use to be a staunch Democrat, even supported Bill and Hitlery.
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    You all sure Trump will Veto? He use to be a staunch Democrat, even supported Bill and Hitlery.
    Trump is on the record saying "assault weapons" should be banned. From what I'm seeing, steps will go like this:

    #1: Universal background checks

    If the mass shootings of mostly middle to upper class people continue, especially in schools, we will get the following sooner than later:

    #2: Magazine feed, semi-automatic function rifles will be banned from future manufacturing and retail sale
    #2A: Magazines with a capacity of more than ten rounds will be banned from future manufacturing and retail sale

    If the mass shootings still continue:

    #3: All semi-auto magazine feed rifles will be required to be registered the same as full-automatic rifles.
    #3A: Possession of magazines with a capacity of more than ten rounds will either require registration or be outright banned.
    #3B: All semi-auto magazine feed rifles will be required to be stored securely, likely by being rendered inoperable or being in some specified container (safe).

    These steps above don't "take anyone's guns away." What they do is drive the price for your typical AR, AK, etc. through the roof. Transfers will be minimal, but allowed. People will actually invest in alarm systems, good safes, etc. instead of putting three ARs in cases under their bed. This will likely significantly reduce mass shootings with semi-auto rifles.

    No one is going to go and take action due to any laughable line in the sand being crossed. With the above, no ones guns are being taken. You'll still have your AR/AK/G3/whatever at home, in a safe, maybe with a bolt removed, etc.. Since transfers will be allowed similar to fully autos, no young person is going to "go to war" because their rights were violated.

    Right now, the people that want semi-auto rifles have them. Anyone too poor to have purchased one over the last twenty years doesn't really have a complaint because if you don't have one now, when prices are as cheap as they are, such a person is likely to never have owned one anyway.

    Other things that will come about, but likely more locally based:
    -Ammunition regulation
    -Semi-auto handgun regulation
    -Quickly passed laws if some semi-auto rifles start being sold with "fixed" magazines holding more than ten rounds. Also, I could see some laws banning future produced bolt or lever action rifles from being able to use AR/AK etc. higher capacity magazines.
    -Buy backs of semi-auto rifles and/or higher capacity magazines. They will offer $1,500 to $2,000 for a rifle. Some people will take the money.

    The tide is already turning. Lots of people today want the government to raise them cradle to grave. Half of my left leaning Facebook friends want their only requirement for their personal safety to be they turn their deadbolt at night. They don't want to have to deal with any firearms. The other half would be perfectly content with just being allowed to own only revolvers for handguns and only fixed, low capacity magazine feed bolt and lever action rifles.

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    UK Legal AR15's

    Shooting Silenced AR-15 (in the UK) rt 2:04 mins

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnoEmp_hjgM

    The above rifle is a straight pull, the bolt must be pulled back to eject a spent case & chamber a fresh round, this one is fitted with a L1a1 style left side charging handle

    UK Lever Release AR15 .223 Southern Gun Company rt 1:21mins

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    The above rifle is a Lever Release action, runs the same as any piston AR but the bolt is held to the rear and must be released by pressing down the selector with your thumb

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerkom View Post
    Folks - I see you talking about 10-22's.

    It seems my 10-22 cycles clean only when I use CCI mini mags (same for my Mark IV hunter pistol). All other bulk 22 ammo is hit and miss. Any subject matter experts care to opine on this for me?
    For sure a good cleaning is the first and best option.

    However, if that doesn't work, or you already know it's not dirty, then those weapons of yours may be sort of tuned to the pressure/muzzle vol. in the CCI mini mags.

    Meaning lower pressure/muzzle vol. not work so good.

    One way to check is to buy a couple of boxes with the same muzzle vol. as the mini mags, and usually it says on the box, and then buy a few boxes with a different muzzle vol. See how it goes. There can be a couple hundred FPS difference in LR cartridges. Like 1100 and 1300 FPS.

    I had an old .22 semi auto rifle that couldn't shoot CCI Stingers (high muzzle vol.) the spring was so light that the Stinger would work the bolt so fast it would catch the hull on ejection.

    The reverse may be true for yours.

    Hope that helps.

    And if true or not satisfied could try changing the spring for the bolt.

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    Wow - Thanks everyone for the suggestions on the 10-22 ejection issues. I will work my way through them systematically.
    Thy will be done...

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    I live in east tn. During the 22lr shortage I came across some 22 short target ammo made by cci at wally world. New production cause I checked in every time I was in wally world.

    22 longs tend to be more cb rounds which use the primer and maybe a tiny amount of powder to keep things quiet and this is a short range round.

    I don't know if walmart has any in stock right now, but shorts and longs are not hard to find.

    I tend to order off the net in larger quantities to save some money.

    I can handload shorts or longs into any 22lr firearm one at a time, but bolt action 22lr stuff will usually load em just fine. I have a tube fed marlin marked 22lr, long, and short on the receiver or barrel. It works fine with a mix of rounds in the tube.

    Couple mag fed savage bolt actions will work if you load the same thing in the magazine.
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    Just by way of a reminder:

    semi-auto's work the bolt off the gas, or some other method, from the explosion of the gunpowder.

    In a lever action the bolt is operated manually, so varying pressures aren't a problem.

    Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night driver View Post
    I last handled one 40 years ago.....

    WHY?? The 10-22 is still the standard against which all others are measured. I put polymer furniture with a folder on mine (still have the original stock someplace). A few years ago when Ruger came out with factory hi-cap mags, I got 3. You can have a bunch of fun with one for $10...

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    I've been wanting a takedown model for some time.

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    Here’s what I put on mine. Note that this is not my gun, but this is what the stock looks like when mounted


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Here’s what I put on mine. Note that this is not my gun, but this is what the stock looks like when mounted

    Dennis,

    I inherited a Ruger 10/22 from a relative. Is there a specific brand you'd recommend? Mine has what I'm guessing is the factory wood stock. It came with a Ruger 25 shot BX-25 magazine. I really like those clear magazines, I think I'll get two of them.

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    This one is Butler Creek’s. I’ve been very happy with it overall.

    As far as extended mags go, I had terrible luck with the aftermarket ones I’d purchased. I tossed them long ago, and now just have the BX-25’s.

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    bx-25 have been around a long time. There is now a 15 rd version as well but it is silly to sit it by the 10rd rotary mag. I do have both.

    If you play on youtube you can find a 110 rd drum that seems awfully reliable as well. This was much more interesting to me before the bump stock ban got moving. I never paid for the bump stock stuff for a 10-22 but a 10-22 with a bump stock and some 110 rd drums would have made me awfully amused.

    Lever action or bolt action are best for messing with cb rounds and stuff because you work the action when you want to do so. Keeps things quiet with no gas coming out while a round is being cycled in that part of the firearm and you don't care if it has enough power to cycle the action. Kinda like a revolver that way.
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    If all goes according to plan, I will be building my DiFi 2019 Proposed Gun Ban Memorial AR-15 Carbine (16" 5.56) next week, courtesy of the ongoing irresistible sales at PSA. Then will follow magazines and ammo to go with it.

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    FWIW, it is relatively easy to feed a 10/22 .22 Shorts. The little Short cartridge won't cycle the rifle or feed reliably through standard magazines, but the rifle will certainly fire them if you load them manually, one-by-one. Why anyone would want to do this is beyond me, unless they didn't have any other ammunition in a post-SHTF environment. The .22 Short bullet is lighter than the standard .22 LR and won't have the same POI (at most distances), nor does it have the same range. The .22 Short isn't massively quieter than the .22 LR and its down range energy is appreciably less. So --- why do it? As with many other things in life, just 'cuz you can doesn't necessarily mean you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc1 View Post
    FWIW, it is relatively easy to feed a 10/22 .22 Shorts. The little Short cartridge won't cycle the rifle or feed reliably through standard magazines, but the rifle will certainly fire them if you load them manually, one-by-one. Why anyone would want to do this is beyond me, unless they didn't have any other ammunition in a post-SHTF environment. The .22 Short bullet is lighter than the standard .22 LR and won't have the same POI (at most distances), nor does it have the same range. The .22 Short isn't massively quieter than the .22 LR and its down range energy is appreciably less. So --- why do it? As with many other things in life, just 'cuz you can doesn't necessarily mean you should.

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    Yeah I won't want to do that either, unless it was necessary.

    But the short does have some good qualities. Like less noise, less cost. Great little round for squirrel, and rabbit. Had an uncle who hit quail on the wing with one.

    Unless you've hunted with them, you might not know that you can pull the trigger, get the bang from firing the round, and still hear the thud when you hit a squirrel, rabbit etc.

    Back in the day when .50 was .50 and you could buy a box of shorts for that. We would have a blast shooting beer cans in the air, throw up .01 peppermint candy and bust em. It was great.

    Anyway I was merely pointing out, that getting a lever action lets you shoot all the .22's, and not have to go single shot. However, them 10/22's are great, and can be dressed up to look like AR15's and all kinds of bling.

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    A lever action requires you to break your sight picture to chamber every round. And don’t talk about “not if you practice enough.” Only one person in 10,000 would ever get good enough. No, unless one is Lucas McCain or only shooting single rounds (like hunting), lever actions IMO are worthless. They’re great for those waxing nostalgic for life in the 1870’s, but otherwise, no.

    And the .22 short and .22 long are very old cartridges, and have been out of favor for decades.

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    And the .22 short and .22 long are very old cartridges, and have been out of favor for decades.

    Out of favor doesn't mean utility has disappeared. I shot a couple of hogs last month with 22 shorts that were made back in the 60s. A wise family member that got spooked after the cuban missile crisis swore to never run out of ammo again. Bricks were plentiful and cheap. No great effort in climate control has been used. I've had ZERO mis-fires. Not ideal for most shooting tasks but would work for many things if needed.
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    And that’s about right. The shorts are at least 50-60 years old, and near as I can determine, that’s the newest you can get. Hardly practical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerkom View Post
    Wow - Thanks everyone for the suggestions on the 10-22 ejection issues. I will work my way through them systematically.
    If you don't find the issue with bolt movement, check the chamber in the barrel. Make sure the chamber is clean with no sticky gunk or wax buildup to make extraction difficult. Also look for a rough or damaged chamber. Anything that prevents smooth extraction of the expanded brass 22 case is an issue to fix.

    I've never seen a 10/22 that required mini-mags to operate. I've also never seen one that would not operate normally and reliably with subsonic 22LR ammo (normal 22LR bullet at 950-1000fps vs. the typical 1150-1250fps).
    They're quiet since they don't break the sound barrier and the small amount of powder burns completely within the barrel.
    Normal 22LR ammo is slightly supersonic from a rifle length barrel and the small sonic crack (boom) is the great majority of the noise when firing 22LR from a rifle.
    If you want to quieten the 10/22 further, replace the bolt stop pin with a urethane buffer (less than $10). A 1"x1/4" steel pin is what stops the rear movement of a 10/22 bolt.
    The steel on steel impact is also a big noise source when the bolt is cycling while using subsonic ammo.
    Subsonic ammo and a urethane bolt buffer will have people asking if you are somehow shooting pellets through your 10/22. I don't see a reason to mess with shorts, CB caps, etc. when this works so well.

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    And that’s about right. The shorts are at least 50-60 years old, and near as I can determine, that’s the newest you can get. Hardly practical.
    I can go almost any day of the week and pick up a card board box of 50, or a plastic box of 50-100 at my Walmart's. And if not there Natchez Shooting Supply has them, you can order at any time.

    Even as with an auto keeping the weapon at the shoulder for the next shot. I do the same with my bolt action, pump shotgun, and lever action. In fact with my pump shotgun, I pull the shotgun into my shoulder not only with the pistol grip on my right hand, but also on the fore arm. So when the I fire, the pump releases, and moves backward to eject the shell, keeping my eyes on the target I push the pump forward for another round if needed.

    As with any large caliber gun one has to readjust after the kick. There is no kick with a .22 short, work the lever at the shoulder, and take another shot.

    That's how I do it anyway.

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