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    FUNG ALERT:******** There's a High Probability that a Collapse is in the Cards*******

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...apse-continuum

    NOTE: I have used certain portions of this piece and discarded other portions of the article. Read the complete article at the link......


    Collapse, at each stage, is a historical process that takes time to run its course as the system adapts to changing circumstances, compensates for its weaknesses and finds ways to continue functioning at some level. But what changes rather suddenly is faith or, to put it in more businesslike terms, sentiment. A large segment of the population or an entire political class within a country or the entire world can function based on a certain set of assumptions for much longer than the situation warrants but then over a very short period of time switch to a different set of assumptions. All that sustains the status quo beyond that point is institutional inertia. It imposes limits on how fast systems can change without collapsing entirely. Beyond that point, people will tolerate the older practices only until replacements for them can be found.

    Stage 1: Financial collapse. Faith in “business as usual” is lost.

    Internationally, the major change in sentiment in the world has to do with the role of the US dollar (and, to a lesser extent, the Euro and the Yen—the other two reserve currencies of the three-legged globalist central banker stool). The world is transitioning to the use of local currencies, currency swaps and commodities markets backed by gold. The catalyst for this change of sentiment was provided by the US administration itself which sawed through its own perch by its use of unilateral sanctions. By using its control over dollar-based transactions to block international transactions it doesn’t happen to like it forced other countries to start looking for alternatives. Now a growing list of countries sees throwing off the shackles of the US dollar as a strategic goal. Russia and China use the ruble and the yuan for their expanding trade; Iran sells oil to India for rupees. Saudi Arabia has started to accept the yuan for its oil.

    This change has many knock-on effects. If the dollar is no longer needed to conduct international trade, other nations no longer have hold large quantities of it in reserve. Consequently, there is no longer a need to buy up large quantities of US Treasury notes. Therefore, it becomes unnecessary to run large trade surpluses with the US, essentially conducting trade at a loss. Further, the attractiveness of the US as an export market drops and the cost of imports to the US rises, thereby driving up cost inflation. A vicious spiral ensues in which the ability of the US government to borrow internationally to finance the gaping chasm of its various deficits becomes impaired. Sovereign default of the US government and national bankruptcy then follow.

    The US may still look mighty, but its dire fiscal predicament coupled with its denial of the inevitability of bankruptcy, makes it into something of a Blanche DuBois from the Tennessee Williams play “A Streetcar Named Desire.” She was “always dependent on the kindness of strangers” but was tragically unable to tell the difference between kindness and desire. In this case, the desire is for national advantage and security, and to minimize risk by getting rid of an unreliable trading partner.

    How quickly or slowly this comes to pass is difficult to guess at and impossible to calculate. It is possible to think of the financial system in terms of a physical analogue, with masses of funds traveling at some velocity having a certain inertia (p = mv) and with forces acting on that mass to accelerate it along a different trajectory (F = ma). It is also possible to think of it in terms of hordes of stampeding animals who can change course abruptly when panicked. The recent abrupt moves in the financial markets, where trillions of dollars of notional, purely speculative value have been wiped out within weeks, are more in line with the latter model.

    Stage 2: Commercial collapse. Faith that “the market shall provide” is lost.

    Within the US there is really no other alternative than the market. There are a few rustic enclaves, mostly religious communities, that can feed themselves, but that’s a rarity. For everyone else there is no choice but to be a consumer. Consumers who are broke are called “bums,” but they are still consumers. To the extent that the US has a culture, it is a commercial culture in which the goodness of a person is based on the goodly sums of money in their possession. Such a culture can die by becoming irrelevant (when everyone is dead broke) but by then most of the carriers of this culture are likely to be dead too. Alternatively, it can be replaced by a more humane culture that isn’t entirely based on the cult of Mammon—perhaps, dare I think, through a return to a pre-Protestant, pre-Catholic Christian ethic that values people’s souls above objects of value?

    Stage 3: Political collapse. Faith that “the government will take care of you” is lost.

    All is very murky at the moment, but I would venture to guess that most people in the US are too distracted, too stressed and too preoccupied with their own vices and obsessions to pay much attention to the political realm. Of the ones they do pay attention, a fair number of them seem clued in to the fact that the US is not a democracy at all but an elites-only sandbox in which transnational corporate and oligarchic interests build and knock down each others’ sandcastles.

    The extreme political polarization, where two virtually identical pro-capitalist, pro-war parties pretend to wage battle by virtue-signaling may be a symptom of the extremely decrepit state of the entire political arrangement: people are made to watch the billowing smoke and to listen to the deafening noise in the hopes that they won’t notice that the wheels are no longer turning.

    The fact that what amounts to palace intrigue—the fracas between the White House, the two houses of Congress and a ghoulish grand inquisitor named Mueller—has taken center stage is uncannily reminiscent of various earlier political collapses, such as the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire or of the fall and the consequent beheading of Louis XVI. The fact that Trump, like the Ottoman worthies, stocks his harem with East European women, lends an eerie touch. That said, most people in the US seem blind to the nature of their overlords in a way that the French, with their Gilettes Jaunesmovement (just as an example) are definitely not.

    Stage 4: Social collapse. Faith that “your people will take care of you” is lost.

    I have been saying for some years now that within the US social collapse has largely run its course, although whether people actually believe that is an entire matter entirely. Defining “your people” is rather difficult. The symbols are still there—the flag, the Statue of Liberty and a predilection for iced drinks and heaping plates of greasy fried foods—but the melting pot seems to have suffered a meltdown and melted all the way to China. At present half the households within the US speak a language other than English at home, and a fair share of the rest speak dialects of English that are not mutually intelligible with the standard North American English dialect of broadcast television and university lecturers.

    Throughout its history as a British colony and as a nation the US has been dominated by the Anglo ethnos. The designation “ethnos” is not an ethnic label. It is not strictly based on genealogy, language, culture, habitat, form of government or any other single factor or group of factors. These may all be important to one extent or another, but the viability of an ethnos is based solely on its cohesion and the mutual inclusivity and common purpose of its members. The Anglo ethnos reached its zenith in the wake of World War II, during which many social groups were intermixed in the military and their more intelligent members.

    Fantastic potential was unleashed when privilege—the curse of the Anglo ethnos since its inception—was temporarily replaced with merit and the more talented demobilized men, of whatever extraction, were given a chance at education and social advancement by the GI Bill. Speaking a new sort of American English based on the Ohio dialect as a Lingua Franca, these Yanks—male, racist, sexist and chauvinistic and, at least in their own minds, victorious—were ready to remake the entire world in their own image.

    They proceeded to flood the entire world with oil (US oil production was in full flush then) and with machines that burned it. Such passionate acts of ethnogenesis are rare but not unusual: the Romans who conquered the entire Mediterranean basin, the barbarians who then sacked Rome, the Mongols who later conquered most of Eurasia and the Germans who for a very brief moment possessed an outsized Lebensraum are other examples.

    And now it is time to ask: what remains of this proud conquering Anglo ethnos today? We hear shrill feminist cries about “toxic masculinity” and minorities of every stripe railing against “whitesplaining” and in response we hear a few whimpers but mostly silence. Those proud, conquering, virile Yanks who met and fraternized with the Red Army at the River Elbe on April 25, 1945—where are they? Haven’t they devolved into a sad little subethnos of effeminate, porn-addicted overgrown boys who shave their pubic hair and need written permission to have sex without fear of being charged with rape?

    Will the Anglo ethnos persist as a relict, similar to how the English have managed to hold onto their royals (who are technically no longer even aristocrats since they now practice exogamy with commoners)? Or will it get wiped out in a wave of depression, mental illness and opiate abuse, its glorious history of rapine, plunder and genocide erased and the statues of its war heros/criminals knocked down? Only time will tell.

    Stage 5: Cultural collapse. Faith in “the goodness of humanity” is lost.

    The term “culture” means many things to many people, but it is more productive to observe cultures than to argue about them. Cultures are expressed through people’s stereotypical behaviors that are readily observable in public. These are not the negative stereotypes often used to identify and reject outsiders but the positive stereotypes—cultural standards of behavior, really—that serve as requirements for social adequacy and inclusion. We can readily assess the viability of a culture by observing the stereotypical behaviors of its members.

    Do people exist as a single continuous, inclusive sovereign realm or as a set of exclusive, potentially warring enclaves segregated by income, ethnicity, education level, political affiliation and so on? Do you see a lot of walls, gates, checkpoints, security cameras and “no trespassing” signs? Is the law of the land enforced uniformly or are there good neighborhoods, bad neighborhoods and no-go zones where even the police fear to tread?

    Do random people thrown together in public spontaneously enter into conversation with each other and are comfortable with being crowded together, or are they aloof and fearful, and prefer to hide their face in the little glowing rectangle of their smartphone, jealously guarding their personal space and ready to regard any encroachment on it as an assault?

    Do people remain good-natured and tolerant toward each other even when hard-pressed or do they hide behind a façade of tense, superficial politeness and fly into a rage at the slightest provocation? Is conversation soft in tone, gracious and respectful or is it loud, shrill, rude and polluted with foul language? Do people dress well out of respect for each other, or to show off, or are they all just déclassé slobs—even the ones with money?

    Observe how their children behave: are they fearful of strangers and trapped in a tiny world of their own or are they open to the world and ready to treat any stranger as a surrogate brother or sister, aunt or uncle, grandmother or grandfather without requiring any special introduction? Do the adults studiously ignore each others’ children or do they spontaneously act as a single family?

    If there is a wreck on the road, do they spontaneously rush to each others’ rescue and pull people out before the wreck explodes, or do they, in the immortal words of Frank Zappa, “get on the phone and call up some flakes” who “rush on over and wreck it some more”?

    If there is a flood or a fire, do the neighbors take in the people who are rendered homeless, or do they allow them to wait for the authorities to show up and bus them to some makeshift government shelter?

    It is possible to quote statistics or to provide anecdotal evidence to assess the state and the viability of a culture, but your own eyes and other senses can provide all the evidence you need to make that determination for yourself and to decide how much faith to put in “the goodness of humanity” that is evident in the people around you.

    Dmity concluded his reply by summarizing his view like this:

    Cultural and social collapse are very far along. Financial collapse is waiting for a trigger. Commercial collapse will happen in stages some of which—food deserts, for instance—have already happened in many places. Political collapse will only become visible once the political class gives up. It’s not as simple as saying which stage we are at. They are all happening in parallel, to one extent or another.

    My own (totally subjective) opinion is that the US has already reached stages 1 through 4, and that there are signs that stage 5 has begun; mainly in big cities as US small towns and rural areas (Trump’s power base, by the way) are still struggling to maintain the norms and behaviors one could observe in the US of the 1980s. When I have visitors from Europe they always comment how friendly and welcoming US Americans are (true, I live in small-town in East-Central Florida, not in Miami…). These are the communities which voted for Trump because they said “we want our country back”. Alas, instead of giving them their country back, Trump gifted it to the Neocons…

    Frankly, the dots are all over the place; it is really hard to miss them. However, for the doubleplusgoodthinking“ideological drone” they remain largely invisible, and this is not due to any eyesight problem, but due to that drone’s total inability to connect the dots. These are the kind of folks who danced on the deck of the Titanic while it was sinking. For them, when the inevitable catastrophe comes, it will be a total, mind-blowing, surprise. But, until that moment, they will keep on denying the obvious, no matter how obvious that obvious has become.

    Don’t expect these two losers to fix anything, they will only make things worse…]
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    This information has been around for a number of years. However, considering the predicament that we now find our selves in.......it's fitting to reanimate this information for your perusal.
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    This is the conclusion to the article I've just posted,


    In the meantime, the US ruling elites are locked into an ugly internal struggle which only further weakens the US. What is so telling is that the Democrats are still stuck with their same clueless, incompetent and infinitely arrogant leadership, in spite of the fact that everybody knows that the Democratic Party is in deep crisis and that new faces are desperately needed. But no, they are still completely stuck in their old ways and the same gang of gerontocrats continues to rule the party apparatus.

    That is another surefire sign of degeneracy: when a regime can only produce incompetent, often old, leaders who are completely out of touch with reality and who blame their own failures on internal (“deplorables”) and external (“the Russians”) factors. Again, think of the Soviet Union under Brezhnev, the Apartheid regime in South Africa under F. W. de Klerk, or the Kerensky regime in 1917 Russia.

    As for the Republicans, they are basically a subsidiary of the Israeli Likud Party. Just take a look at the long list of losers the Likud produced at home, and you will get a sense of what they can do in its US colony.

    Eventually the US will rebound; I have no doubts about that at all. This is a big country with millions of immensely talented people, immense natural resources and no credible threat to it’s territory. But that can only happen after a real regime change (as opposed to a change in Presidential Administration) which, itself, is only going to happen after an “E2 catastrophe” collapse.

    Until then, we will all be waiting for Godot.
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    If the author's bullet points are correct, we're probably in the latter stages of a collapse. As he points out in the article, a collapse is similar to a ship sinking........slowly at first, and quicker as time passes. There will be pockets of folks who weather the storm.....others.....NOT SO MUCH.
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    As the reader can easily ascertain, collapse articles.....as well as dire scenarios for the world's economies are now commonplace. A few years ago, the poster of such articles would be soundly ridiculed for having a doomer mentality. Nowadays, those that believed in the 'ROSY SCENARIO' schtick, are soundly throttled by those who have been reading the handwriting on the wall FOR YEARS.


    NOTE: Rosy Scenario is not an Italian character from the series, The Sopranos.....
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    Again, for those that wish to delve further into what happens after a collapse, google FERFAL who endured a collapse in Argentina. He has written a book entitled The Modern Survival Manual Surviving the Economic Collapse.

    other articles are entitled,Surviving in Argentina.

    Ferfal is a member of this community.....however, he hasn't posted here in a long time.
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    Every collapse is different.......we may have a multi-faceted collapse, with all the trimmings. What is a multifaceted collapse? Such a collapse could see 'civil war'......refugee swarms.....rogue elements of 'evil doers' and bad actors.... Russians.....Chinese...ISIS Criminals....and yes, your everyday 'JOE

    NOTE: Read Ferbal's essay concerning the well dressed gentleman accompanied by two children.......who is knocking on his door.
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    I'm posting this info this morning as a result of a rather disturbing dream I experienced last night. Please don't ask me for a description of this dream.........suffice it to say, it woke me out of a sound sleep.
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    The scary part of the author's article, in my view is this paragraph:

    "Eventually the US will rebound; I have no doubts about that at all. This is a big country with millions of immensely talented people, immense natural resources and no credible threat to it’s territory. But that can only happen after a real regime change (as opposed to a change in Presidential Administration) which, itself, is only going to happen after an “E2 catastrophe” collapse."

    Until then, we will all be waiting for Godot.


    The key word here is 'regime change'........those words alone should send chills up and down your collective spines.
    Last edited by doctor_fungcool; 01-12-2019 at 06:08 AM.
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    Empires, as all creations of mankind have an expiration date. The author of this piece feels that we are closing in on such a 'happening'.........
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    The author introduces the term, '“ideological drone”...........the world is full of such creatures.......they are everywhere.....being half asleep and half awake, these folks shuffle through life like zombies....in depth
    thinking for these people has become quite a chore.......yet, they fertilize the 'fields of discontent and misinformation on a daily basis...... yes, Virginia, Johnny Appleseed is still around.....except, unfortunately, his seeds are now GMO.


    The Fourth Turning...page 273 PDF...........read the what the author has to say concerning the various scenarios.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=d8...yd2Qnlte7u3e9Y
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    Yawn....(sip hot Java).....(wipe nightgunk from eyes).....
    looks as if this is old news, rewritten for a today....but, if and only if our military is funded, the borders secured,the foulness of human trafficking and Elitist crimes are slowly brought to the sheeple until it's undeniable, and publicly enforced....And if the propaganda of the LameStream is also shown in dribs and drabs then in an avalanche to be just that, propaganda....And if we can get tried and true USA made manufacturing happening, and the booms for the service industry that result in having to feed and clothe the ones who are working at the new factory in town.... it'd be a chance, though narrow, to carrom off our trajectory to something a bit more positive.....

    Kinda what's happening now..... WWG1WGA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inthewoods View Post
    Yawn....(sip hot Java).....(wipe nightgunk from eyes).....
    looks as if this is old news, rewritten for a today....but, if and only if our military is funded, the borders secured,the foulness of human trafficking and Elitist crimes are slowly brought to the sheeple until it's undeniable, and publicly enforced....And if the propaganda of the LameStream is also shown in dribs and drabs then in an avalanche to be just that, propaganda....And if we can get tried and true USA made manufacturing happening, and the booms for the service industry that result in having to feed and clothe the ones who are working at the new factory in town.... it'd be a chance, though narrow, to carrom off our trajectory to something a bit more positive.....

    Kinda what's happening now..... WWG1WGA.
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    You have two political parties. One looks after the rich and the other targets the rich and gives what they have away for the main part to those who are unproductive.

    Two extremes. The rich do not like to pay good wages. Many workers, on the other hand, do not like to work.

    Rich people can move their money very quickly to another country. Lazy workers cannot move.

    So what happens if the lazy people get control?

    The rich move and the country collapses.

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    ******** There's a High Probability that a Collapse is in the Cards*******

    That isn't shocking to me. What is shocking is that it hasn't happened yet. After 911 I didn't give us even five more years and I was sure that when we were in the midst of the 2008 situation that they were not going to be able to save the system and yet it's 10 years later. I am so reminded of the USSR. It looked so strong on the outside even though the framework was all rotted out and when it fell, it fell quickly. I think when the actual tipping point comes it will happen to us just as quickly. An over indebted and immoral empire that can no longer afford it's over reach. Pretty similar to the old Roman empire.
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    That last line : “Trump gifted it to the neocons” confirmed my growing opinion of the author’s bias.

    I have, for 45 years now, predicated my life choices on the belief that America was destined to collapse, and so have invested my life’s earnings ( mostly at non-college degree type jobs), in building a homestead as remote from the cities as I could arrange. That “the collapse” has not yet happened never gave me disappointment, but rather gratitude that I had yet another day to enjoy life and add to the resilience of the homestead, which I plan to pass onto my children and their children.

    Someday, Americans will recognize that the ideal lifestyle was that of their ancestors close relationship to the Earth, and abandon their citified ways and re-learn to grow their own food. If and when they do, it most likely will be because of the enlightenment that commercially produced food is poisoned, and their city based life is meaningless. And if that day arrives, will not those who exult in the cities declare that America has “collapsed”?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hfcomms View Post
    ******** There's a High Probability that a Collapse is in the Cards*******

    That isn't shocking to me. What is shocking is that it hasn't happened yet. After 911 I didn't give us even five more years and I was sure that when we were in the midst of the 2008 situation that they were not going to be able to save the system and yet it's 10 years later. I am so reminded of the USSR. It looked so strong on the outside even though the framework was all rotted out and when it fell, it fell quickly. I think when the actual tipping point comes it will happen to us just as quickly. An over indebted and immoral empire that can no longer afford it's over reach. Pretty similar to the old Roman empire.
    An apple can look vibrant on the outside......yet when one bites into it, they can plainly see that it is rotten to the core.


    One reason that empires fail can be attributed to the mortal degradation that many of the leaders possess.....

    and then there's this,


    Fall of the Western Roman Empire

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_o...n_Roman_Empire


    The Fall of the Western Roman Empire (also called Fall of the Roman Empire or Fall of Rome) was the process of decline in the Western Roman Empire in which the Empire failed to enforce its rule, and its vast territory was divided into several successor polities. The Roman Empire lost the strengths that had allowed it to exercise effective control over its Western provinces; modern historians mention factors including the effectiveness and numbers of the army, the health and numbers of the Roman population, the strength of the economy, the competence of the Emperors, the internal struggles for power, the religious changes of the period, and the efficiency of the civil administration. Increasing pressure from barbarians outside Roman culture also contributed greatly to the collapse. The reasons for the collapse are major subjects of the historiography of the ancient world and they inform much modern discourse on state failure.[1][2]

    Relevant dates include 117 CE, when the Empire was at its greatest territorial extent, and the accession of Diocletian in 284. [b]Irreversible major territorial loss, however, began in 376 with a large-scale irruption of Goths and others.[?b] In 395, after winning two destructive civil wars, Theodosius I died, leaving a collapsing field army and the Empire, still plagued by Goths, divided between the warring ministers of his two incapable sons. Further barbarian groups crossed the Rhine and other frontiers, and like theGoths were not exterminated, expelled or subjected. The armed forces of the Western Empire became few and ineffective, and despite brief recoveries under able leaders, central rule was never effectively consolidated. By 476 when Odoacer deposed Romulus Augustulus, the Western Roman Emperor wielded negligible military, political, or financial power and had no effective control over the scattered Western domains that could still be described as Roman. Barbarian kingdoms had established their own power in much of the area of the Western Empire. While its legitimacy lasted for centuries longer and its cultural influence remains today, the Western Empire never had the strength to rise again. The Eastern Empire survived, and though lessened in strength remained for centuries an effective power of the Eastern Mediterranean.

    While the loss of political unity and military control is universally acknowledged, the Fall is not the only unifying concept for these events; the period described as Late Antiquity emphasizes the cultural continuities throughout and beyond the political collapse.
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    Alas, instead of giving them their country back, Trump gifted it to the Neocons…

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    https://www.history.com/news/8-reasons-why-rome-fell
    JAN 14, 2014
    8 Reasons Why Rome Fell
    Find out why one of history's most legendary empires finally came crashing down.
    EVAN ANDREWS


    1. Invasions by Barbarian tribes
    The most straightforward theory for Western Rome’s collapse pins the fall on a string of military losses sustained against outside forces. Rome had tangled with Germanic tribes for centuries, but by the 300s “barbarian” groups like the Goths had encroached beyond the Empire’s borders. The Romans weathered a Germanic uprising in the late fourth century, but in 410 the Visigoth King Alaric successfully sacked the city of Rome. The Empire spent the next several decades under constant threat before “the Eternal City” was raided again in 455, this time by the Vandals. Finally, in 476, the Germanic leader Odoacer staged a revolt and deposed the Emperor Romulus Augustulus. From then on, no Roman emperor would ever again rule from a post in Italy, leading many to cite 476 as the year the Western Empire suffered its deathblow.

    2. Economic troubles and overreliance on slave labor
    Even as Rome was under attack from outside forces, it was also crumbling from within thanks to a severe financial crisis. Constant wars and overspending had significantly lightened imperial coffers, and oppressive taxation and inflation had widened the gap between rich and poor. In the hope of avoiding the taxman, many members of the wealthy classes had even fled to the countryside and set up independent fiefdoms. At the same time, the empire was rocked by a labor deficit. Rome’s economy depended on slaves to till its fields and work as craftsmen, and its military might had traditionally provided a fresh influx of conquered peoples to put to work. But when expansion ground to a halt in the second century, Rome’s supply of slaves and other war treasures began to dry up. A further blow came in the fifth century, when the Vandals claimed North Africa and began disrupting the empire’s trade by prowling the Mediterranean as pirates. With its economy faltering and its commercial and agricultural production in decline, the Empire began to lose its grip on Europe.


    3. The rise of the Eastern Empire
    The fate of Western Rome was partially sealed in the late third century, when the Emperor Diocletian divided the Empire into two halves—the Western Empire seated in the city of Milan, and the Eastern Empire in Byzantium, later known as Constantinople. The division made the empire more easily governable in the short term, but over time the two halves drifted apart. East and West failed to adequately work together to combat outside threats, and the two often squabbled over resources and military aid. As the gulf widened, the largely Greek-speaking Eastern Empire grew in wealth while the Latin-speaking West descended into economic crisis. Most importantly, the strength of the Eastern Empire served to divert Barbarian invasions to the West. Emperors like Constantine ensured that the city of Constantinople was fortified and well guarded, but Italy and the city of Rome—which only had symbolic value for many in the East—were left vulnerable. The Western political structure would finally disintegrate in the fifth century, but the Eastern Empire endured in some form for another thousand years before being overwhelmed by the Ottoman Empire in the 1400s.

    4. Overexpansion and military overspending
    At its height, the Roman Empire stretched from the Atlantic Ocean all the way to the Euphrates River in the Middle East, but its grandeur may have also been its downfall. With such a vast territory to govern, the empire faced an administrative and logistical nightmare. Even with their excellent road systems, the Romans were unable to communicate quickly or effectively enough to manage their holdings. Rome struggled to marshal enough troops and resources to defend its frontiers from local rebellions and outside attacks, and by the second century the Emperor Hadrian was forced to build his famous wall in Britain just to keep the enemy at bay. As more and more funds were funneled into the military upkeep of the empire, technological advancement slowed and Rome’s civil infrastructure fell into disrepair.


    5. Government corruption and political instability
    If Rome’s sheer size made it difficult to govern, ineffective and inconsistent leadership only served to magnify the problem. Being the Roman emperor had always been a particularly dangerous job, but during the tumultuous second and third centuries it nearly became a death sentence. Civil war thrust the empire into chaos, and more than 20 men took the throne in the span of only 75 years, usually after the murder of their predecessor. The Praetorian Guard—the emperor’s personal bodyguards—assassinated and installed new sovereigns at will, and once even auctioned the spot off to the highest bidder. The political rot also extended to the Roman Senate, which failed to temper the excesses of the emperors due to its own widespread corruption and incompetence. As the situation worsened, civic pride waned and many Roman citizens lost trust in their leadership.

    6. The arrival of the Huns and the migration of the Barbarian tribes
    The Barbarian attacks on Rome partially stemmed from a mass migration caused by the Huns’ invasion of Europe in the late fourth century. When these Eurasian warriors rampaged through northern Europe, they drove many Germanic tribes to the borders of the Roman Empire. The Romans grudgingly allowed members of the Visigoth tribe to cross south of the Danube and into the safety of Roman territory, but they treated them with extreme cruelty. According to the historian Ammianus Marcellinus, Roman officials even forced the starving Goths to trade their children into slavery in exchange for dog meat. In brutalizing the Goths, the Romans created a dangerous enemy within their own borders. When the oppression became too much to bear, the Goths rose up in revolt and eventually routed a Roman army and killed the Eastern Emperor Valens during the Battle of Adrianople in A.D. 378. The shocked Romans negotiated a flimsy peace with the barbarians, but the truce unraveled in 410, when the Goth King Alaric moved west and sacked Rome. With the Western Empire weakened, Germanic tribes like the Vandals and the Saxons were able to surge across its borders and occupy Britain, Spain and North Africa.

    7. Christianity and the loss of traditional values
    The decline of Rome dovetailed with the spread of Christianity, and some have argued that the rise of a new faith helped contribute to the empire’s fall. The Edict of Milan legalized Christianity in 313, and it later became the state religion in 380. These decrees ended centuries of persecution, but they may have also eroded the traditional Roman values system. Christianity displaced the polytheistic Roman religion, which viewed the emperor as having a divine status, and also shifted focus away from the glory of the state and onto a sole deity. Meanwhile, popes and other church leaders took an increased role in political affairs, further complicating governance. The 18th-century historian Edward Gibbon was the most famous proponent of this theory, but his take has since been widely criticized. While the spread of Christianity may have played a small role in curbing Roman civic virtue, most scholars now argue that its influence paled in comparison to military, economic and administrative factors.

    8. Weakening of the Roman legions
    For most of its history, Rome’s military was the envy of the ancient world. But during the decline, the makeup of the once mighty legions began to change. Unable to recruit enough soldiers from the Roman citizenry, emperors like Diocletian and Constantine began hiring foreign mercenaries to prop up their armies. The ranks of the legions eventually swelled with Germanic Goths and other barbarians, so much so that Romans began using the Latin word “barbarus” in place of “soldier.” While these Germanic soldiers of fortune proved to be fierce warriors, they also had little or no loyalty to the empire, and their power-hungry officers often turned against their Roman employers. In fact, many of the barbarians who sacked the city of Rome and brought down the Western Empire had earned their military stripes while serving in the Roman legions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    Alas, instead of giving them their country back, Trump gifted it to the Neocons…

    Serious bias, or serious fact? Which is it?
    An opinion......sometimes when reading an article, we mustn't throw out the baby with the bath water.
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    A bump for the Doc. I can feel collapse in the air. I'm 57, have traveled internationally (some time spent in Eastern Europe before the wall fell) and am a student of history. I've read the Orlav article (from Zerohedge) twice. The waves will come in various stages, but we are in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bean Pole View Post
    A bump for the Doc. I can feel collapse in the air. I'm 57, have traveled internationally (some time spent in Eastern Europe before the wall fell) and am a student of history. I've read the Orlav article (from Zerohedge) twice. The waves will come in various stages, but we are in it.
    Welcome aboard.....
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    Everyone knows there is only one reason a Civilization collapses-it runs out of Duck Tape.
    "Dark and difficult times lie ahead. Soon we will all face the choice between what is right, and what is easy."
    Dumbledore to Harry Potter, Goblet of Fire.

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    A people who no longer recognize sin and evil, are not a people who will recognize tyranny and despotism either. Invar


    “During the course of your life you will find that things are not always fair. You will find that things happen to you that you do not deserve and that are not always warranted. But you have to put your head down and fight, fight, fight. Never, ever, ever give up!”

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    "...yes, Virginia, Johnny Appleseed is still around.....except, unfortunately, his seeds are now GMO."

    Weelllll, I have a morbid, warped sense of humor, and this is a good one.

    Sigh.

    Gloom and doom are the order of the day. I was just conversing with someone about all the smoke and mirrors, and how something real wicked cometh this way. But this just increases my Faith and positivity in a weird way...can't explain.

    But: God help us all.
    Matthew 6:24 No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctor_fungcool View Post
    The scary part of the author's article, in my view is this paragraph:

    "Eventually the US will rebound; I have no doubts about that at all. This is a big country with millions of immensely talented people, immense natural resources and no credible threat to it’s territory. But that can only happen after a real regime change (as opposed to a change in Presidential Administration) which, itself, is only going to happen after an “E2 catastrophe” collapse."

    Until then, we will all be waiting for Godot.


    The key word here is 'regime change'........those words alone should send chills up and down your collective spines.
    Just a bump in the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doctor_fungcool View Post
    Every collapse is different.......we may have a multi-faceted collapse, with all the trimmings. What is a multifaceted collapse? Such a collapse could see 'civil war'......refugee swarms.....rogue elements of 'evil doers' and bad actors.... Russians.....Chinese...ISIS Criminals....and yes, your everyday 'JOE

    NOTE: Read Ferbal's essay concerning the well dressed gentleman accompanied by two children.......who is knocking on his door.
    DFC,

    Did a web search for Ferbal's essays and nothing about Ferbal came up....

    Link please....

    Texican....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texican View Post
    DFC,

    Did a web search for Ferbal's essays and nothing about Ferbal came up....

    Link please....

    Texican....
    Fat fingers.....his name is ferfal.

    Ferfal...surviving in Argentina.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doctor_fungcool View Post
    The scary part of the author's article, in my view is this paragraph:

    "Eventually the US will rebound; I have no doubts about that at all. This is a big country with millions of immensely talented people, immense natural resources and no credible threat to it’s territory. But that can only happen after a real regime change (as opposed to a change in Presidential Administration) which, itself, is only going to happen after an “E2 catastrophe” collapse."

    Until then, we will all be waiting for Godot.


    The key word here is 'regime change'........those words alone should send chills up and down your collective spines.
    Only if it means occasional and her ideology ends up running the show. if its us, crushing the socialists into oblivion, then I'm good.
    Looking back, the lion was a bad idea. That's why Dr. Shockla is gonna hook us up with a monkey. I'm gonna teach it taekwondo.

    Yeah, karate monkey, yeah, that's probably safer.

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